How can you people have no clue that public school is nothing more than a domestication and control weapon?

This is the issue. There are some good things in public school:

math instruction Hopefully you can supplement at home, but at least they are seeing math every day even if it starts out pretty lame. If they do well then can take introductory calculus in 12th grade, and that's not so lame. Not amazing or anything but they can really get some math basics in school.

Gym. Need I say more? Kids should do activity. It helps them grow. Sports, the same.

English unless your kid happens to be a strong reader already. Composition practice is useful.

History, if it's a real history course.

Foreign language. You won't get a good accent in school and it's only a start, even 4 or more years, but it's a way to get to the point that you can read with the help of a dictionary, and learn to talk to people in their native language.



Somewhat more questionable imho:

Science. The big clue here is that for any kids who go on to become scientists, they start completely over in university and learn it "right". Biology will be based on chemistry, chem will use a fair amount of physics, physics will use at least advanced calculus. In HS there is not the math skill to do science right, so they try to do it "experientially". That basically does not work, and I am not sure it's all that great as intellectual exercise. Hard-core math is better.

Social studies. These course can be brainwashing experiences, but they are required. We'd be better off without them.


And extremely questionable:

The "group work" agenda behind Common Core. This is designed to tamp down on independent thinking and create the communist "active man". But their techniques are not unbeatable, if you supplement at home I think your kid can still get the advantages and see the communism indoctrination stuff for what it is and go thru the motions there.

New userid again, OP?



You know you don't have to refer to yourself in 3rd person in order to agree with yourself just because your user id keeps changing and you want to affirm your posts.




Anyway, I wasn't being sarcastic. If the intention was merely to shame/flame the group in question, then the posts accomplished what they were intended to do. Seriously.

You know, I've seen you say this on other threads. How do you know this?


Wrong this time though.

I agree with the guy in the military, and it seems you may agree with him too, at least in part.

You should take what's useful from school and learn to get along thru the rest. How else are you going to learn (say) math unless your parents know a lot more math than most parents do?

And even the part about putting up with the BS agenda stuff is of some value. There are BS agendas at work and in politics too.

Yes I mentioned it in one of your tattoo threads. It's not that difficult for me to pick up on peoples' writing styles/formats and the tone/energy associated with their choice of words when I become familiar with their posts. Plus in this case, if you plug your new userid in the forum search you can see that the userid was just created and started posting - and in one of those new posts you typed something in a format that you have previously used in other posts too.

Come on, fess up. : )

Either way, it's all good. No harm, no foul....

And a way for the school system to make money

Anyway, this is a big rollout year for Common Core in many districts including mine. We are supposed to implement it more fully this year than last year.

Generally I think it sucks but the old way wasn't so perfect either. Don't complain too much about changes in math instruction without comparing to what we did up to now. Our math instruction has sucked for the past 40 years. Maybe this will be better than it was before. I have an open mind about that.

And am prepared to deprogram my kids regarding any social engineering stuff they get.

army guy ac1697, i did what you did except in a different way. i took a ton of different classes, especially the hard ones, to learn as much as i could. i continued this in college and, really, any time the opportunity arose to be able to learn. i saw some of my classes did conflict a bit, so maybe that damaged the programming?

however, i don't think kids could do what i did any more. schools sound much more regimented in what they teach now. i don't know if kids could do what you did either. the whole concept of the school as a fortress has grown exponentionally in the past decade.

i don't have any children. but, the concept of 'school' has morphed into an entirely new entity which is pretty well how Opie describes it. some children may prevail against it by taking the good from it and leaving at least some of the bad. but, most will not. they will not even know that they should.

i don't know if homeschooling is the solution either. for some people, yes it most certainly is because they are smart enough to actually teach their children and have the patience to do it properly. they also will make sure their children are socialized with people other than their immediate family. but, realistically, i do not know if enough people are able to do this.

i do know a little girl who has a combination of home schooling and private schooling. maybe that would be an option?

i understand Opie's frustration and think he has many valid point. i share that frustration. however, it must be kept in mind that the parents of the kids in public schools now went to public schools as did their grandparents. this is why a lot of people don't question it as much as they probably should.

although, i do see more and more people beginning to ask what is going on with public education and exploring alternatives. so, i really take that as an indication how far the reality of current schools have departed from what we thought they were. not that they were perfect institutions in the past. they just were as obvious as to their real purpose.

^^oops, were NOT as obvious.

and points not point.

That's why homeschooling is becoming more popular. Schools are too strict nowadays. My parents told me back in the 70s you could cut class without permission, eat lunch off campus, and school was much simpler because there weren't all of these standardized tests, technology, and pressure. Schools are prisons now. You can't cut class because there are cameras watching your every move. You can't eat off campus or even leave the campus. You spend 8 hours in school and yet still have 2 hours of homework. They are testing these children weekly, having them memorize rather than learn, and punishing them with their strict attendance policy.They're sending kids to court for truancy for missing 4 days of school. Give the youth their lives back. Let them enjoy being young because it disappears quickly. Parents have failed their children by creating these prison wards for their kids to be emotionally and mentally abused in.