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Rev StarGazer  User ID: 37891955  United States08/20/2013 09:39 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States08/20/2013 10:13 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone know what to make of it?? Quoting: Ford Prefect [link to f55i.img-up.net] For what's worth I measured the angles of the two glowing lines of the "wing" formation with a protractor, and they make an arch of 121.5 degrees. I'm just assuming that it makes harder to be random "streaks of light". Parallax or not parallax, still doesn't explain why NASA airbrushed the coma to hide that V shape structure, if it's nothing but an optical effect. I'm assuming you won't make their same mistake and take us for granted, because the Hubble image viewer works with multiple-layer images of the same quadrant, what explains why the winged formation only appears after the image is darkened. How come the coma totally fades away and all the noise and stars in the background dim, but your "parallax" doesn't fade and still glowing???? Learn what dynamic range is and the difference between a 32 bit image and an 8 bit display monitor. The web tool there is automatically guessing where to put the histogram levels and given that most targets are dim, it errs on the side of making things too bright. Get a real fits editor like pixinsight and download the raw data for yourself. The comet's nucleus was naturally one of the brightest parts of the image. It's not a conspiracy. They didn't actually over expose the individual shots, it's all there, but YouTube tards like the one in the op's video are not amateur astronomers equipped with proper software to handle high bit depth Hubble images, so they draw erroneous conclusions from web viewers.  |
| <<TIMEWATCHER>> (OP) User ID: 37271772 United States08/20/2013 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's five photos in my video, not three, and NASA did release a version that only used one photo for the comet, and parallax is involved. That's why the line of the comet is bent. Parallax occurs as Hubble moves in orbit, which is both during and between exposures. The direction of the parallax is inclined to the direction of the comet's motion, so as the parallax occurs in one direction the comet appears to slow down as the line of its apparent motion is deflected. This causes the appearance of a hairpin turn before the parallax starts to go the other way as Hubble rounds the earth passing its farthest south latitude and starts going north, causing the comet to be deflected the other way and accelerate. You spent a day on this but you didn't actually do any analysis of what Hubble should have seen from orbit by celestia or any other program? Quoting: Dr. Astro You are using parallax in an obscure manner as i read it.. Oh well, too bad, that's what it is. Parallax arises due to change in viewpoint but that can occur due to motion of the observer, or of that which is being observed, or of both. What is essential is relative motion. By observing parallax, measuring angles and using geometry, one can determine the distance to various objects. Quoting: ACThe way I read your statements is that you seem to suggest the 'streaking effect' is the parallax effect when it is not, from what I can ascertain from reading about it, its the position of the comet in each frame that shows parallax. The shape is just the length of exposure... I am not sure if you are doing this on purpose or if its just the way you express yourself.. Quit making this about "me." The position of the comet in each frame does show parallax, the linear motion of the comet is from its motion in space, but that motion is distorted by parallax, both deflected and retarded/accelerated at times. The biggest question is why nasa felt the need to stack these photos (3 or 5) and present them as the 'finished product' when the one of the comet which forms the "centre" of the "boomerang" shape would of sufficed to produce a wonderful shot and not cause such an uproar.. Quoting: ACWell they did both. I don't like the full stacked version either but it is what it is. NASA didn't hire me to do it. Maybe NASA should hire you! I try not to post bullshit and I try not to get mad when people run there holes even if I know what I post is true and they are wrong, But GLP is luckly to have you Dr. Astro, you don't bullshit around. But with all that said NASA does do some dumb shit, makes me think its just to get the people all fired up.  GLP Disclaimer DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE! The reader is responsible for discerning the validity, factuality or implications of information posted here, be it fictional or based on real events. Moderators on this forum make every effort to review the material posted on this site however, it is not realistically possible for our small staff to manually review each and every one of the more than 20,000 posts GodlikeProductions gets on a daily basis. The content of posts on this site, including but not limited to links to other web sites, are the expressed opinion of the original poster and are in no way representative of or endorsed by the owners or administration of this website. The posts on this website are the opinion of the specific author and are not statements of advice, opinion, or factual information on behalf of the owner or administration of GodlikeProductions. This site may contain adult language, if you feel you might be offended by such content, you should log off immediately. Not all posts on this website are intended as truthful or factual assertion by their authors. Some users of this website are participating in internet role playing, with or without the use of an avatar. NO post on this website should be considered factual information on face value alone. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."- Samuel Adams "...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. --John F. Kennedy The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission. --John F. Kennedy Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. --John F. Kennedy All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. --Albert Einstein |
| Setheory User ID: 41894184 United States08/20/2013 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe NASA should hire you! I try not to post bullshit and I try not to get mad when people run there holes even if I know what I post is true and they are wrong, But GLP is luckly to have you Dr. Astro, you don't bullshit around. But with all that said NASA does do some dumb shit, makes me think its just to get the people all fired up. Quoting: <<TIMEWATCHER>> Well NASA is a government agency so..... |
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| <<TIMEWATCHER>> (OP) User ID: 37271772 United States08/21/2013 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  GLP Disclaimer DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE! The reader is responsible for discerning the validity, factuality or implications of information posted here, be it fictional or based on real events. Moderators on this forum make every effort to review the material posted on this site however, it is not realistically possible for our small staff to manually review each and every one of the more than 20,000 posts GodlikeProductions gets on a daily basis. The content of posts on this site, including but not limited to links to other web sites, are the expressed opinion of the original poster and are in no way representative of or endorsed by the owners or administration of this website. The posts on this website are the opinion of the specific author and are not statements of advice, opinion, or factual information on behalf of the owner or administration of GodlikeProductions. This site may contain adult language, if you feel you might be offended by such content, you should log off immediately. Not all posts on this website are intended as truthful or factual assertion by their authors. Some users of this website are participating in internet role playing, with or without the use of an avatar. NO post on this website should be considered factual information on face value alone. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."- Samuel Adams "...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. --John F. Kennedy The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission. --John F. Kennedy Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. --John F. Kennedy All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. --Albert Einstein |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12552009  United Kingdom08/21/2013 04:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone know what to make of it?? Quoting: Ford Prefect [link to f55i.img-up.net] For what's worth I measured the angles of the two glowing lines of the "wing" formation with a protractor, and they make an arch of 121.5 degrees. I'm just assuming that it makes harder to be random "streaks of light". Parallax or not parallax, still doesn't explain why NASA airbrushed the coma to hide that V shape structure, if it's nothing but an optical effect. I'm assuming you won't make their same mistake and take us for granted, because the Hubble image viewer works with multiple-layer images of the same quadrant, what explains why the winged formation only appears after the image is darkened. How come the coma totally fades away and all the noise and stars in the background dim, but your "parallax" doesn't fade and still glowing???? Learn what dynamic range is and the difference between a 32 bit image and an 8 bit display monitor. The web tool there is automatically guessing where to put the histogram levels and given that most targets are dim, it errs on the side of making things too bright. Get a real fits editor like pixinsight and download the raw data for yourself. The comet's nucleus was naturally one of the brightest parts of the image. It's not a conspiracy. They didn't actually over expose the individual shots, it's all there, but YouTube tards like the one in the op's video are not amateur astronomers equipped with proper software to handle high bit depth Hubble images, so they draw erroneous conclusions from web viewers. maybe you would like to suggest which software to use and what spec of monitor to use? (constructive approach!?) if people can see for themselves... |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States08/21/2013 05:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Parallax or not parallax, still doesn't explain why NASA airbrushed the coma to hide that V shape structure, if it's nothing but an optical effect. I'm assuming you won't make their same mistake and take us for granted, because the Hubble image viewer works with multiple-layer images of the same quadrant, what explains why the winged formation only appears after the image is darkened. How come the coma totally fades away and all the noise and stars in the background dim, but your "parallax" doesn't fade and still glowing???? Learn what dynamic range is and the difference between a 32 bit image and an 8 bit display monitor. The web tool there is automatically guessing where to put the histogram levels and given that most targets are dim, it errs on the side of making things too bright. Get a real fits editor like pixinsight and download the raw data for yourself. The comet's nucleus was naturally one of the brightest parts of the image. It's not a conspiracy. They didn't actually over expose the individual shots, it's all there, but YouTube tards like the one in the op's video are not amateur astronomers equipped with proper software to handle high bit depth Hubble images, so they draw erroneous conclusions from web viewers. maybe you would like to suggest which software to use and what spec of monitor to use? (constructive approach!?) if people can see for themselves... I did suggest which software to use. The monitor has no reasonable solution. You just have to find ways to deal with it when working with high bit depth images and be aware of the limitations and caveats of interpreting the data. Especially when trying to interpret 8 bit conversions from 32 bit data - that's just full of potholes and problems. Yet 8 bit data is necessary for display purposes, so you have to know how to work with both if you're going to be doing some sort of photometric analysis and then present your findings. Here, I'll add another suggestion; for photometry measurements I use imageJ - there's an astronomy version which works great and is free. Last Edited by Astromut on 08/21/2013 05:08 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 44535027  Canada08/21/2013 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone know what to make of it?? Quoting: Ford Prefect [link to f55i.img-up.net] For what's worth I measured the angles of the two glowing lines of the "wing" formation with a protractor, and they make an arch of 121.5 degrees. I'm just assuming that it makes harder to be random "streaks of light". Parallax or not parallax, still doesn't explain why NASA airbrushed the coma to hide that V shape structure, if it's nothing but an optical effect. I'm assuming you won't make their same mistake and take us for granted, because the Hubble image viewer works with multiple-layer images of the same quadrant, what explains why the winged formation only appears after the image is darkened. How come the coma totally fades away and all the noise and stars in the background dim, but your "parallax" doesn't fade and still glowing???? Learn what dynamic range is and the difference between a 32 bit image and an 8 bit display monitor. The web tool there is automatically guessing where to put the histogram levels and given that most targets are dim, it errs on the side of making things too bright. Get a real fits editor like pixinsight and download the raw data for yourself. The comet's nucleus was naturally one of the brightest parts of the image. It's not a conspiracy. They didn't actually over expose the individual shots, it's all there, but YouTube tards like the one in the op's video are not amateur astronomers equipped with proper software to handle high bit depth Hubble images, so they draw erroneous conclusions from web viewers. Do you seriously believe that your junk is convincing lol |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States08/21/2013 06:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Parallax or not parallax, still doesn't explain why NASA airbrushed the coma to hide that V shape structure, if it's nothing but an optical effect. I'm assuming you won't make their same mistake and take us for granted, because the Hubble image viewer works with multiple-layer images of the same quadrant, what explains why the winged formation only appears after the image is darkened. How come the coma totally fades away and all the noise and stars in the background dim, but your "parallax" doesn't fade and still glowing???? Learn what dynamic range is and the difference between a 32 bit image and an 8 bit display monitor. The web tool there is automatically guessing where to put the histogram levels and given that most targets are dim, it errs on the side of making things too bright. Get a real fits editor like pixinsight and download the raw data for yourself. The comet's nucleus was naturally one of the brightest parts of the image. It's not a conspiracy. They didn't actually over expose the individual shots, it's all there, but YouTube tards like the one in the op's video are not amateur astronomers equipped with proper software to handle high bit depth Hubble images, so they draw erroneous conclusions from web viewers. Do you seriously believe that your junk is convincing lol It's the truth, not junk, I really don't care if you personally find it "convincing" or not. How many years have you been doing astrophotography involving high bit depth imaging (anything >8 bit)? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45325328 United States08/21/2013 07:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't trust Dr Astro for one main reason - not once have I seen where he questioned the official NASA story on anything. He may have at some point and I simply missed it but his undying loyalty to Never A Straight Answer is highly suspicious. Quoting: Rev StarGazer I know what your saying. Every time that I have read threads where Dr. Astro has an explanation for something, he leaves no room for other insight and theory. It appears that he gets info from NASA and sticks to that theory or story or explanation no matter what. For me he would have a lot more credibility if he said " I can see how you've come up with that theory, let me look into it and see what I can find". But instead he comes across as if everyone here is an idiot and only he has the correct answers. Oh well. |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States08/21/2013 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't trust Dr Astro for one main reason - not once have I seen where he questioned the official NASA story on anything. He may have at some point and I simply missed it but his undying loyalty to Never A Straight Answer is highly suspicious. Quoting: Rev StarGazer I know what your saying. Every time that I have read threads where Dr. Astro has an explanation for something, he leaves no room for other insight and theory. The evidence speaks for itself. It shows that ISON's path in the images is completely normal and expected. If I'm wrong, then where am I wrong? I presented the evidence showing I'm right, but if there's something "wrong" with my evidence then it's up to you to prove it. It's not up to me to prove a negative. Quoting: Dr. Astro I'm sorry, you were saying? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45325328 United States08/21/2013 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not saying you're wrong, or right for that matter. I'm saying I don't trust what you say because you leave no room for yourself to be incorrect. That leaves you vulnerable because you have no way of seeing the forest through the trees. My way or the highway baby. |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States08/21/2013 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm saying I don't trust what you say because you leave no room for yourself to be incorrect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45325328 Ok, now you're just lying. What did I just quote to you? The evidence speaks for itself. It shows that ISON's path in the images is completely normal and expected. If I'm wrong, then where am I wrong? I presented the evidence showing I'm right, but if there's something "wrong" with my evidence then it's up to you to prove it. It's not up to me to prove a negative. Quoting: Dr. Astro I'm sorry, you were saying? |
| Hydra User ID: 45506758  Germany08/21/2013 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43845831 exactly ^^^ those projected paths DO NOT make a hard PERFECT 120 degree turn to form a perfect triangle. It makes the same turn in Celestia that it made in the images. prove it. we have an image of the actual object a perfect triangle. you are showing the curved path the triangle is making. I'm showing the paths are the same. You're as dense as a neutron star. But not so bright. . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13376778 Canada08/21/2013 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't trust Dr Astro for one main reason - not once have I seen where he questioned the official NASA story on anything. He may have at some point and I simply missed it but his undying loyalty to Never A Straight Answer is highly suspicious. Quoting: Rev StarGazer I know what your saying. Every time that I have read threads where Dr. Astro has an explanation for something, he leaves no room for other insight and theory. It appears that he gets info from NASA and sticks to that theory or story or explanation no matter what. For me he would have a lot more credibility if he said " I can see how you've come up with that theory, let me look into it and see what I can find". But instead he comes across as if everyone here is an idiot and only he has the correct answers. Oh well. Agreed! Now when I see his posts, I just keep scrolling, don't even read them anymore because it's pure BS with an overly sarcastic/arrogant tone. So I just skip it and it makes reading the threads a lot more ''smooth,'' like the discussion it's meant to be. |
| 74444 User ID: 74444 United States08/21/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't trust Dr Astro for one main reason - not once have I seen where he questioned the official NASA story on anything. He may have at some point and I simply missed it but his undying loyalty to Never A Straight Answer is highly suspicious. Quoting: Rev StarGazer I know what your saying. Every time that I have read threads where Dr. Astro has an explanation for something, he leaves no room for other insight and theory. It appears that he gets info from NASA and sticks to that theory or story or explanation no matter what. For me he would have a lot more credibility if he said " I can see how you've come up with that theory, let me look into it and see what I can find". But instead he comes across as if everyone here is an idiot and only he has the correct answers. Oh well. Agreed! Now when I see his posts, I just keep scrolling, don't even read them anymore because it's pure BS with an overly sarcastic/arrogant tone. So I just skip it and it makes reading the threads a lot more ''smooth,'' like the discussion it's meant to be. Conveniently ignoring the fact that Astro's "pure BS" claims and explanations have proven true again and again and again and... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45158499 United States08/21/2013 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm saying I don't trust what you say because you leave no room for yourself to be incorrect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45325328 Ok, now you're just lying. What did I just quote to you? The evidence speaks for itself. It shows that ISON's path in the images is completely normal and expected. If I'm wrong, then where am I wrong? I presented the evidence showing I'm right, but if there's something "wrong" with my evidence then it's up to you to prove it. It's not up to me to prove a negative. Quoting: Dr. Astro I'm sorry, you were saying?   |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45564557 United Kingdom08/22/2013 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shut the Fuck up you Fucking idiotic sad sick American god your one sick.nation .When does the spaceship arrive my Fucking arse grow up you useless cunt now Fuck off to your mommy you retard. Is that how you "represent" your nation? Hmmmm... YOU call this a nation we are just as bad as your country we are all fucked . But you Americans do come out with the most outlandish story's on GLP what you don't know you make up because nothing ever written about doom and gloom ever happens . You ne er get Fuck all right . So go away with your doom and gloom you idiots but one of these days yor going to cry WOLF. |
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| Setheory User ID: 22372062 United States08/22/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shut the Fuck up you Fucking idiotic sad sick American god your one sick.nation .When does the spaceship arrive my Fucking arse grow up you useless cunt now Fuck off to your mommy you retard. Is that how you "represent" your nation? Hmmmm... YOU call this a nation we are just as bad as your country we are all fucked . But you Americans do come out with the most outlandish story's on GLP what you don't know you make up because nothing ever written about doom and gloom ever happens . You ne er get Fuck all right . So go away with your doom and gloom you idiots but one of these days yor going to cry WOLF. Well I certainly agree that these outlandish scenarios always end with "fail” and that the inability of an individual to employ logic is the reason behind this. However, have a look around this place. Americans certainly don’t have a monopoly on stupid. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30722995 United Kingdom08/24/2013 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Astro for posting and using logic. I know you catch flack from that around here, but I honestly learn more when you post. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5387591 Thanks Mummy  That's because your a thick IRISH twat you fuckers believe anything you read or what your told . Ison is burning itself out you dopey Irish twat. |
| <<TIMEWATCHER>> (OP) User ID: 37271772 United States08/26/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oct 01  GLP Disclaimer DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE! The reader is responsible for discerning the validity, factuality or implications of information posted here, be it fictional or based on real events. Moderators on this forum make every effort to review the material posted on this site however, it is not realistically possible for our small staff to manually review each and every one of the more than 20,000 posts GodlikeProductions gets on a daily basis. The content of posts on this site, including but not limited to links to other web sites, are the expressed opinion of the original poster and are in no way representative of or endorsed by the owners or administration of this website. The posts on this website are the opinion of the specific author and are not statements of advice, opinion, or factual information on behalf of the owner or administration of GodlikeProductions. This site may contain adult language, if you feel you might be offended by such content, you should log off immediately. Not all posts on this website are intended as truthful or factual assertion by their authors. Some users of this website are participating in internet role playing, with or without the use of an avatar. NO post on this website should be considered factual information on face value alone. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."- Samuel Adams "...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. --John F. Kennedy The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission. --John F. Kennedy Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. --John F. Kennedy All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. --Albert Einstein |
