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Is it possible that were being lied to about ISON's trajectory?! A lot of people have seen this thread :
Thread: can anyone explain this vid on ISON?WTF
And like me I'm sure it had a lot of you wondering if ISON really is a comet or not. Have you stopped to think about its trajectory ?
What do you guys think about ISON? Astro is also no where to be found..
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I think anything is possible, everything is up in the air right now!
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This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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As I note in my latest video...

Amateur Astronomers found ISON 2 weeks before NASA thought they would....so....
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Yep, I smell a huge nasty festering rat, something is up.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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As I note in my latest video...

Amateur Astronomers found ISON 2 weeks before NASA thought they would....so....
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WOW. THOR commenting on my post! I feel so honoured I am a huge fan!! I will watch immediately!!
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Is it possible that were being lied to about ISON's trajectory?!
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No. Amateur astronomers, myself included, have observed it, measured its position, and calculated its orbit ourselves.
A lot of people have seen this thread :
Thread: can anyone explain this vid on ISON?WTF
 Quoting: tasty

So what? A lot of people probably haven't seen my posts, but that doesn't make them any less correct:
Thread: Did Comet ISON's Orbit Change During the Hubble Video? NOPE!

More like pareidolia - the shapes aren't exactly the same, they just look similar. The shape IS a coincidence though; that's not ISON's actual shape, it's just a consequence of parallax during the time in which Hubble was imaging the comet in combination with ISON's orbital motion. It has nothing to do with the shape of ISON itself. Here are the raw image files from April 30th, both the stacked frames and the individual frames (images from May 8th are also in the directory).
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
I'll show you my processing of the images in just a moment.
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Here's what an individual image from Hubble's April 30th imaging session looks like:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
Here's what all the frames look like stacked together:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
It's just parallax from Hubble's orbit causing the comet's apparent position relative to the stars to bend into an angle over the course of the imaging session.
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And like me I'm sure it had a lot of you wondering if ISON really is a comet or not. Have you stopped to think about its trajectory ?
What do you guys think about ISON? Astro is also no where to be found..
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I'm not always here. In fact, I'm working on a huge debunking of someone else right now on youtube in collaboration with some friends. Yes, ISON is a comet. No, it's trajectory is not a "lie."
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As I note in my latest video...

Amateur Astronomers found ISON 2 weeks before NASA thought they would....so....
 Quoting: NewThor


So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
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As I note in my latest video...

Amateur Astronomers found ISON 2 weeks before NASA thought they would....so....
 Quoting: NewThor


So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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All would be in the same line of sight as Bruce Gary and within a 100 mile radius of his observation
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As I note in my latest video...

Amateur Astronomers found ISON 2 weeks before NASA thought they would....so....
 Quoting: NewThor


So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
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I'm insulted, honestly. Ask the Schiaparelli Observatory, Observatorio Altamira, Maisoncelles observatoire, they all have post-recovery images of the comet. So does Bruce Gary, and his images are great.
[link to www.brucegary.net]
Amateur observers are nothing to scoff at and most professional observatories leave the low separation angle images to us.
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
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Honest question, what in your humble opinion is higher in priority then a first time ever hyperbolic comet?
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
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Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
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but yet NASA finds it important enough to point 19 cameras at it? c'mon Astro start being realistic please.
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As I note in my latest video...

Amateur Astronomers found ISON 2 weeks before NASA thought they would....so....
 Quoting: NewThor


So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837

I'm insulted, honestly. Ask the Schiaparelli Observatory, Observatorio Altamira, Maisoncelles observatoire, they all have post-recovery images of the comet. So does Bruce Gary, and his images are great.
[link to www.brucegary.net]
Amateur observers are nothing to scoff at and most professional observatories leave the low separation angle images to us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


btw, i am not trying to insult the amateurs but i can afford a telescope of that size. Its telling that there are tons of million dollar telescopes out there with way better pictures and we get nil.

Every press briefing, all the ISON hype from the scientific community, telling all amateur astronomers to point telescopes at ISON and here you are acting as if it an everyday occurrence.

your starting to look bad covering for the large institutions and why we don't get better views and you look worse and worse as this moves along
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


but yet NASA finds it important enough to point 19 cameras at it? c'mon Astro start being realistic please.
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Is NASA pointing 19 cameras at it from the ground while it is low on the horizon? No, so stop comparing apples and oranges and handwaving when I already explained something. Thanks.
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So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
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I'm insulted, honestly. Ask the Schiaparelli Observatory, Observatorio Altamira, Maisoncelles observatoire, they all have post-recovery images of the comet. So does Bruce Gary, and his images are great.
[link to www.brucegary.net]
Amateur observers are nothing to scoff at and most professional observatories leave the low separation angle images to us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


btw, i am not trying to insult the amateurs but i can afford a telescope of that size.
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Do you have the skill to use it to image a magnitude 14 comet? I doubt it.
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your starting to look bad covering for the large institutions and why we don't get better views and you look worse and worse as this moves along
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I don't care how I "look" to idiots. I only care about being right.
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Honest question, what in your humble opinion is higher in priority then a first time ever hyperbolic comet?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Wrong question. What in my opinion is higher priority than a magnitude 14 comet low on the horizon just before dawn? Lots.
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So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
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I'm insulted, honestly. Ask the Schiaparelli Observatory, Observatorio Altamira, Maisoncelles observatoire, they all have post-recovery images of the comet. So does Bruce Gary, and his images are great.
[link to www.brucegary.net]
Amateur observers are nothing to scoff at and most professional observatories leave the low separation angle images to us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


btw, i am not trying to insult the amateurs but i can afford a telescope of that size. Its telling that there are tons of million dollar telescopes out there with way better pictures and we get nil.

Every press briefing, all the ISON hype from the scientific community, telling all amateur astronomers to point telescopes at ISON and here you are acting as if it an everyday occurrence.

your starting to look bad covering for the large institutions and why we don't get better views and you look worse and worse as this moves along
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THIS^^^^
Theres no excuse for why we still have shitty photos of ison...
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So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837

I'm insulted, honestly. Ask the Schiaparelli Observatory, Observatorio Altamira, Maisoncelles observatoire, they all have post-recovery images of the comet. So does Bruce Gary, and his images are great.
[link to www.brucegary.net]
Amateur observers are nothing to scoff at and most professional observatories leave the low separation angle images to us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


btw, i am not trying to insult the amateurs but i can afford a telescope of that size. Its telling that there are tons of million dollar telescopes out there with way better pictures and we get nil.

Every press briefing, all the ISON hype from the scientific community, telling all amateur astronomers to point telescopes at ISON and here you are acting as if it an everyday occurrence.

your starting to look bad covering for the large institutions and why we don't get better views and you look worse and worse as this moves along
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837


THIS^^^^
Theres no excuse for why we still have shitty photos of ison...
 Quoting: Tasty THC


They're not shitty. It's a magnitude 14 comet low on the horizon just before dawn. How many comets that dim have you observed or imaged before? I'm guessing 0, so you are in no position to pass judgement on the quality of the images.
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Mount Graham 11,000ft
Mount Lemmon 9,000ft
Mount Graham 6,800ft

Well, can you shed some light on why we cant get any pics from these places Astro?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Honest question, what in your humble opinion is higher in priority then a first time ever hyperbolic comet?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Wrong question. What in my opinion is higher priority than a magnitude 14 comet low on the horizon just before dawn? Lots.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Are you schizophrenic paranoid? Why play with my words and distort the meaning, you never answered the question. Lots? Like what? Obviously NASA thinks this is pretty high priority with all of the 'press conferences' and ISON campaign, not to forget all of the eyes on it.

But sure, 14 magnitude comet - nothing at all special.
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and this.

I hate to be so hard on you Astro but you look absolutely absurd in front of how many ever thousand read these ISON thread.

Catalina Sky Survey is a project to discover comets and asteroids, and to search for Near-Earth objects. More specifically, to search for potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs), that may pose a threat of impact

That's MT. Lemmon within 30 miles of Bruce Gary @ an elevation of 9,000 ft above sea level with 8 telescope on that site.

They have something better to look at
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So what? When it becomes first visible depends on your observing location. For most people, myself included, ISON is not visible right now. I tried to recover it the same morning Bruce Gary did. I saw nothing. It depends on local conditions. You need pristine skies and ideally a higher elevation than sea level in order to see it right now. I can't see it right now, not even close, even though I went to a site where the milky way is easily visible. So for most observers, NASA is right. NASA's projection on visibility is just an estimate of when it will become visible for most observers, not everyone, not every possible condition, there is no one answer.
Thread: Comet ISON was a no-show for me this morning. *ISON recovered by amateur astronomer Bruce Gary page 4*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So why havent we seen any pics from these places?

Why is he the only source with all theses amateur astronomers out there? What's the deal with Flandrau's 16" telescope and why nothing from them?

[link to www.flandrau.org]

How about Kitt Peak with their 84" telescope?

[link to www.noao.edu]

How about the Binocular telescope on Mount Graham (partly owned by the Vatican) with 2 300" mirrors?

[link to mgio.arizona.edu]

How about Mount Lemmon observatory with several scopes?

[link to skycenter.arizona.edu]

Those are just the ones I could think of that are a short drive from my house. Not one of these websites mentions anything about comet ISON


I want some pictures with a real fucking telescope and not these crappy ass little telescope pictures.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837

I'm insulted, honestly. Ask the Schiaparelli Observatory, Observatorio Altamira, Maisoncelles observatoire, they all have post-recovery images of the comet. So does Bruce Gary, and his images are great.
[link to www.brucegary.net]
Amateur observers are nothing to scoff at and most professional observatories leave the low separation angle images to us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


btw, i am not trying to insult the amateurs but i can afford a telescope of that size. Its telling that there are tons of million dollar telescopes out there with way better pictures and we get nil.

Every press briefing, all the ISON hype from the scientific community, telling all amateur astronomers to point telescopes at ISON and here you are acting as if it an everyday occurrence.

your starting to look bad covering for the large institutions and why we don't get better views and you look worse and worse as this moves along
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You realize ISON is currently very low over the horizon right?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but professional telescopes are booked long in advance and generally have high priority targets than a known comet very low on the horizon just prior to sunrise. Unless something interesting happens with it or a specific study needs to see it right this second, they generally won't bother.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Honest question, what in your humble opinion is higher in priority then a first time ever hyperbolic comet?
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Wrong question. What in my opinion is higher priority than a magnitude 14 comet low on the horizon just before dawn? Lots.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Are you schizophrenic paranoid? Why play with my words and distort the meaning, you never answered the question. Lots? Like what? Obviously NASA thinks this is pretty high priority with all of the 'press conferences' and ISON campaign, not to forget all of the eyes on it.

But sure, 14 magnitude comet - nothing at all special.
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I didn't say it wasn't anything special or worth observing, but right now it's the kind of thing that amateurs are better for using. It's only visible for a few minutes before dawn, so it makes FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more sense to use a world-wide network of amateurs that can see it than a few sparse professional observatories whose time can be dedicated to detailed studies of things they are specially designed to view that amateurs can't normally study. Things like deep galactic surveys, dark matter studies, probing the very furthest visible reaches of the universe.
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and this.

I hate to be so hard on you Astro but you look absolutely absurd in front of how many ever thousand read these ISON thread.

Catalina Sky Survey is a project to discover comets and asteroids, and to search for Near-Earth objects. More specifically, to search for potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs), that may pose a threat of impact

That's MT. Lemmon within 30 miles of Bruce Gary @ an elevation of 9,000 ft above sea level with 8 telescope on that site.

They have something better to look at
?

whatever
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And?
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and this.

I hate to be so hard on you Astro but you look absolutely absurd in front of how many ever thousand read these ISON thread.

Catalina Sky Survey is a project to discover comets and asteroids, and to search for Near-Earth objects. More specifically, to search for potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs), that may pose a threat of impact

That's MT. Lemmon within 30 miles of Bruce Gary @ an elevation of 9,000 ft above sea level with 8 telescope on that site.

They have something better to look at
?

whatever
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And?
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Well, you and Astro look like dishonest people.

Hows that?
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Honest question, what in your humble opinion is higher in priority then a first time ever hyperbolic comet?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Wrong question. What in my opinion is higher priority than a magnitude 14 comet low on the horizon just before dawn? Lots.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Are you schizophrenic paranoid? Why play with my words and distort the meaning, you never answered the question. Lots? Like what? Obviously NASA thinks this is pretty high priority with all of the 'press conferences' and ISON campaign, not to forget all of the eyes on it.

But sure, 14 magnitude comet - nothing at all special.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


I didn't say it wasn't anything special or worth observing, but right now it's the kind of thing that amateurs are better for using. It's only visible for a few minutes before dawn, so it makes FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more sense to use a world-wide network of amateurs that can see it than a few sparse professional observatories whose time can be dedicated to detailed studies of things they are specially designed to view that amateurs can't normally study. Things like deep galactic surveys, dark matter studies, probing the very furthest visible reaches of the universe.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


yes, that wont be going anywhere in the next hundred years, yet ISON will be heading right back out and gone again within months.

No need to look at the comet! lets peer deep into space cuz that's more important than a newly discovered comet with an unknown chemical make up that our planet will be passing through a dense part of the tail not once but twice in a few months.

Do you know how absolutely fucking stupid that sounds? Let me see does the public want their tax dollars used to look in to the outer reaches of the universe of look for things close by that can potentially harm us? Or do they want the latter, my bet is on the first one!
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and this.

I hate to be so hard on you Astro but you look absolutely absurd in front of how many ever thousand read these ISON thread.

Catalina Sky Survey is a project to discover comets and asteroids, and to search for Near-Earth objects. More specifically, to search for potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs), that may pose a threat of impact

That's MT. Lemmon within 30 miles of Bruce Gary @ an elevation of 9,000 ft above sea level with 8 telescope on that site.

They have something better to look at
?

whatever
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And?
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Well, you and Astro look like dishonest people.

Hows that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837

And you look like an ignorant goddamn idiot, how's that? Mt. Lemmon is specifically looking for new, undiscovered near earth objects. That's far more important than pointing at some magnitude 14 comet hugging the horizon just to satisfy the demands of idiots.
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Wrong question. What in my opinion is higher priority than a magnitude 14 comet low on the horizon just before dawn? Lots.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Are you schizophrenic paranoid? Why play with my words and distort the meaning, you never answered the question. Lots? Like what? Obviously NASA thinks this is pretty high priority with all of the 'press conferences' and ISON campaign, not to forget all of the eyes on it.

But sure, 14 magnitude comet - nothing at all special.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


I didn't say it wasn't anything special or worth observing, but right now it's the kind of thing that amateurs are better for using. It's only visible for a few minutes before dawn, so it makes FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more sense to use a world-wide network of amateurs that can see it than a few sparse professional observatories whose time can be dedicated to detailed studies of things they are specially designed to view that amateurs can't normally study. Things like deep galactic surveys, dark matter studies, probing the very furthest visible reaches of the universe.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


yes, that wont be going anywhere in the next hundred years, yet ISON will be heading right back out and gone again within months.

No need to look at the comet! lets peer deep into space cuz that's more important than a newly discovered comet with an unknown chemical make up that our planet will be passing through a dense part of the tail not once but twice in a few months.

Do you know how absolutely fucking stupid that sounds? Let me see does the public want their tax dollars used to look in to the outer reaches of the universe of look for things close by that can potentially harm us? Or do they want the latter, my bet is on the first one!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837


Guess what? Idiots like you don't get a say! Thank god! ISON is not going to harm us!
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and this.

I hate to be so hard on you Astro but you look absolutely absurd in front of how many ever thousand read these ISON thread.

Catalina Sky Survey is a project to discover comets and asteroids, and to search for Near-Earth objects. More specifically, to search for potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs), that may pose a threat of impact

That's MT. Lemmon within 30 miles of Bruce Gary @ an elevation of 9,000 ft above sea level with 8 telescope on that site.

They have something better to look at
?

whatever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837


And?
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Well, you and Astro look like dishonest people.

Hows that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39337837

And you look like an ignorant goddamn idiot, how's that? Mt. Lemmon is specifically looking for new, undiscovered near earth objects. That's far more important than pointing at some magnitude 14 comet hugging the horizon just to satisfy the demands of idiots.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


you sound just like the government. lol

the people that pay for those telescope and want to have some say in what is seen and here you sound like a pompous arrogant elitist prick that always thinks he knows better than the peasants.

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