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....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

 
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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
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I suggest you test your theory out in the streets of Chicago.
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
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This is why it only took five days for the Netherlands to surrender to Germany.
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
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There are no second chances when you point your weapon at another human being. At that moment you have crossed the line from being a human being with feelings and worthy of a "second chance" to a violent criminal with nothing to lose. Guess how it would have played out in any other city in America? The same way. Guess how it would have played out if he pulled his gun on the cops? The same way. Guess how it would have played out if he pulled his gun on me in my home? You guessed it...the same fucking way.

I am willing to bet that you would have pissed yourself and cowered like a little girl in the corner.

It takes guts to confront someone when they are armed, real guts, not internet Joe - armchair ninja, I am talking you must be ready to die. You guys in the netherlands spend too much time smoking pot.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
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SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
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Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

[link to www.nationmaster.com]
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That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.
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You violate my sense of safety, you get shot.
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Oh so I can just shoot anybody who "violates my sense of safety"?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
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But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???
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You violate my sense of safety, you get shot.
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Oh so I can just shoot anybody who "violates my sense of safety"?
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Not that it even matters, I'm a woman and would not hesitate to shoot first if someone approaches me with a gun drawn. I don't care what they want or if the gun is fake.
When someone does that its to instill fear in the person they're aiming at.
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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
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Did you read the article, fucktard? ARMED ROBBERY!!
********Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please*******
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It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
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Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

[link to www.nationmaster.com]
 Quoting: Chip


That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.
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Pure Poppycock!
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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
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Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.
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Oh so I can just shoot anybody who "violates my sense of safety"?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.
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It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

[link to www.nationmaster.com]
 Quoting: Chip


That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.
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Your not civilized, your dumbed down Circus Performers.
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This is how I look at it since some are crying about someone killing over "a buck or two"...

Ask me for the buck or two and I might just give it to you.
Threaten me with the loss of my life for a buck or two and you will lose your life.
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You violate my sense of safety, you get shot.
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Oh so I can just shoot anybody who "violates my sense of safety"?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
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And what would you do?

Invite him for tea?


You liberal eurotards wouldnt last 10 minutes here.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Please ignore the German flag, I am an American.

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

[link to www.nationmaster.com]
 Quoting: Chip


That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


You apparently like it when your women get raped --> [link to www.nationmaster.com]
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That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Who in the Hell has time to dial the cops when a gun is pointed at them?

SMH
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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.
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Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.
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SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

[link to www.nationmaster.com]
 Quoting: Chip


That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


You apparently like it when your women get raped --> [link to www.nationmaster.com]
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Yeah, probably because they like to sit and watch them get raped. Sick

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Oh so I can just shoot anybody who "violates my sense of safety"?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
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And what would you do?

Invite him for tea?


You liberal eurotards wouldnt last 10 minutes here.
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well look at it this way,

just simple ethics;

what is more ethical, co-operating with a burglar or killing them?

Killing is always bad so it IS better to co-operate.
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.
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Please explain this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I guess he was just misunderstood. Maybe wanted a few bucks right?

He was just a nice man with a gun right?
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That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Who in the Hell has time to dial the cops when a gun is pointed at them?

SMH
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What's the old saying OP?

When you need a cop, they're only 10 minutes away.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Please ignore the German flag, I am an American.

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.
 Quoting: Chip


Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


I totally understand what you're saying but how about you say it to the people that are robbing and threatening lives?
Before you leave let me ask you a few questions.
What would it take to defend yourself or a loved one?
Would you allow someone to rape your daughter as long as he promised not to kill her or would you put a few holes in him before he has a chance to rape her?
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But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Please explain this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I guess he was just misunderstood. Maybe wanted a few bucks right?

He was just a nice man with a gun right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026


Nah that was a sick twisted right wing nationalistic racist.

Why would I like him? Isn't he more like you people? He didn't value human life, he was prepared to shoot dozens of people over nothing.

Also note that he still is alive, why? Cause Noors like Dutch people value human life and aren't hypocrites.
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Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.

Exactly why that thug got shot. He drew first. So what's to understand?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


That's because mushy emotional degenerates have taken hold of your government. Not because you are "smarter" or more "civilized".

In fact...keeping people who have no respect for other lives alive is down right destructive to any civilization.

That's like finding a house of fire and saying "Let the fire burn! Don't put the fire out! Because the fire is building the house!".

DERP!

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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
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Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.
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Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.
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I totally understand what you're saying but how about you say it to the people that are robbing and threatening lives?
Before you leave let me ask you a few questions.
What would it take to defend yourself or a loved one?
Would you allow someone to rape your daughter as long as he promised not to kill her or would you put a few holes in him before he has a chance to rape her?
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I don't know what I would do in such a situation. Frankly I don't worry 24/7 about how my children could be raped, I am not paranoid like that.
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Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???
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Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.
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Please explain this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I guess he was just misunderstood. Maybe wanted a few bucks right?

He was just a nice man with a gun right?
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Nah that was a sick twisted right wing nationalistic racist.

Why would I like him? Isn't he more like you people? He didn't value human life, he was prepared to shoot dozens of people over nothing.

Also note that he still is alive, why? Cause Noors like Dutch people value human life and aren't hypocrites.
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That's just it.... If you could kill him prior to those events. If you saw him approaching the kids with his rifle drawn, and you had the means to end him before he killed them would you not feel compelled to act?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
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But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
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And what would you do?

Invite him for tea?


You liberal eurotards wouldnt last 10 minutes here.
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well look at it this way,

just simple ethics;

what is more ethical, co-operating with a burglar or killing them?

Killing is always bad so it IS better to co-operate.
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Sure, killing IS always bad, but I would rather the perp be killed than me or my family.

If given the choice, what would you do?

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I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Please ignore the German flag, I am an American.

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Please explain this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I guess he was just misunderstood. Maybe wanted a few bucks right?

He was just a nice man with a gun right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026


Nah that was a sick twisted right wing nationalistic racist.

Why would I like him? Isn't he more like you people? He didn't value human life, he was prepared to shoot dozens of people over nothing.

Also note that he still is alive, why? Cause Noors like Dutch people value human life and aren't hypocrites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


That's just it.... If you could kill him prior to those events. If you saw him approaching the kids with his rifle drawn, and you had the means to end him before he killed them would you not feel compelled to act?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026


If the police had shot him I would be thankful. Maybe in that particular situation it would have been better if someone had shot him but that sets a very bad precursor for future events where people will just shoot others left and right cause they "feel" justified. USA doesn't have 15K gun deaths a year by pure coincidence.
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999


But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308



And what would you do?

Invite him for tea?


You liberal eurotards wouldnt last 10 minutes here.
 Quoting: Sledster


well look at it this way,

just simple ethics;

what is more ethical, co-operating with a burglar or killing them?

Killing is always bad so it IS better to co-operate.
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I guess I should co-operate with rape and murder as well?
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