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....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

 
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I seriously don't understand all this hate. I mean wtf, is the USA really so backwards that they don't respect human life and let anybody with a gun (and that is basically anybody) kill people?

Look at Europe and Australia, it is undeniably much better there, no killings and no guns. How can you sleep at night knowing your neighbour has a gun, that guy you used to fight with in high school now has loads of guns, etc. etc.?

How can you send your kids to school knowing that a maniac could pull a gun at any time and start murdering your children?

All studies show that guns increase the chance of violence and that people with guns have more chance to be killed by their own gun than by somebody else.

The USA is the only country with these kind of laws and it is a total shithole, worse than most warzones on earth.

I don't see how you can argue reality.
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"All studies"? Which ones are those? Because if there WERE such studies, we'd hear them over and over and over on our left leaning news outlets, 24/7/365. Cite them or STFU.
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When I tell you to cite studies, I don't mean put up some biased commentator on youtube. I mean actual, legitimate, unbiased research.
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Re: ....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....
I seriously don't understand all this hate. I mean wtf, is the USA really so backwards that they don't respect human life and let anybody with a gun (and that is basically anybody) kill people?

Look at Europe and Australia, it is undeniably much better there, no killings and no guns. How can you sleep at night knowing your neighbour has a gun, that guy you used to fight with in high school now has loads of guns, etc. etc.?

How can you send your kids to school knowing that a maniac could pull a gun at any time and start murdering your children?

All studies show that guns increase the chance of violence and that people with guns have more chance to be killed by their own gun than by somebody else.

The USA is the only country with these kind of laws and it is a total shithole, worse than most warzones on earth.

I don't see how you can argue reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


"All studies"? Which ones are those? Because if there WERE such studies, we'd hear them over and over and over on our left leaning news outlets, 24/7/365. Cite them or STFU.
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[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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When I tell you to cite studies, I don't mean put up some biased commentator on youtube. I mean actual, legitimate, unbiased research.
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they cite studies.
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The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

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Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.
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And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.
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08/19/2013 03:33 PM
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Something tells me that nothing we say will sink into AC's head.
AC you're coming off as one of those evil people who exploit the fact that you live in a victim society. Do you break into people's homes and take whatever you want? Does an unarmed victim society make things easier for you?
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Re: ....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....
The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

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Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.
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And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.
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It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.
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Do you break into people's homes and take whatever you want? Does an unarmed victim society make things easier for you?
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why do people always say that?

It is just common sense, crime happens so you try to prevent it instead of escalating it.
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The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026


Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098


It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.
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Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?
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Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098


It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?
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We talked about these kind of situations in Philosophy class in high school and yeah if you look at it from a purely reasonable and logical viewpoint it IS better to let yourself be killed than to kill another person. Being murdered is better than being a murderer. A kid growing up with a murdered father is still better than a kid growing up with a father that is a murderer.

In the case of the child I don't know, we didn't talk about that situation in that class. I think in that case it would be justified so it shouldn't be punished too harsh.
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And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098


It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45126405


We talked about these kind of situations in Philosophy class in high school and yeah if you look at it from a purely reasonable and logical viewpoint it IS better to let yourself be killed than to kill another person. Being murdered is better than being a murderer. A kid growing up with a murdered father is still better than a kid growing up with a father that is a murderer.

In the case of the child I don't know, we didn't talk about that situation in that class. I think in that case it would be justified so it shouldn't be punished too harsh.
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What would be the difference if your child was witnessing your murder. You would allow that?
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
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It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45126405


We talked about these kind of situations in Philosophy class in high school and yeah if you look at it from a purely reasonable and logical viewpoint it IS better to let yourself be killed than to kill another person. Being murdered is better than being a murderer. A kid growing up with a murdered father is still better than a kid growing up with a father that is a murderer.

In the case of the child I don't know, we didn't talk about that situation in that class. I think in that case it would be justified so it shouldn't be punished too harsh.
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What would be the difference if your child was witnessing your murder. You would allow that?
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Look these kind of things are difficult subjects but if given this choice it would be better that he witnessed my murder instead of witnessing me murdering.
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The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

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Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.
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There we go. I cannot agree with that, but I respect your ideals on this.

Now, I know everyone here is pouncing on you, but here's the thing.

There is no shame in being one of the weak and kind.

Just don't be so naive to think there aren't others risking their lives for you, or others that would like to hurt or kill you.

Those cops you want to call. They have to shoot people sometimes. They have to kill sometimes. I hope you are very thankful that they risk their lives on your behalf.

Not every American is a gun touting vigilante killer, but it significantly more dangerous here, and without strong communities many are left feeling helpless against a legal system that sides with the criminal (In some States), and police that aren't a big enough deterrent. For some, having a gun is the only way they can truly protect themselves. Like this bar owner.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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Something that is universally true about firearms. If you point one at someone you are threatening their life. If you are not prepared to take it, or have someone fight for their lives then don't point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.

OMFG the poor robbers just wanted to threaten someone's life and take their livelihood. They should just roll over and take it.... I guess they should let them rape everyone in the place too, and while they're at it sodomize the family pet...

Jeez. When someone threatens your life, they are not a victim, and they are not your friend.

Survival instinct. Get some!
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Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45126405


We talked about these kind of situations in Philosophy class in high school and yeah if you look at it from a purely reasonable and logical viewpoint it IS better to let yourself be killed than to kill another person. Being murdered is better than being a murderer. A kid growing up with a murdered father is still better than a kid growing up with a father that is a murderer.

In the case of the child I don't know, we didn't talk about that situation in that class. I think in that case it would be justified so it shouldn't be punished too harsh.
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What would be the difference if your child was witnessing your murder. You would allow that?
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Look these kind of things are difficult subjects but if given this choice it would be better that he witnessed my murder instead of witnessing me murdering.
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Uhh, that's where you're wrong. He would be witnessing you protecting yourself and family against the bad guys.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Something that is universally true about firearms. If you point one at someone you are threatening their life. If you are not prepared to take it, or have someone fight for their lives then don't point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.

OMFG the poor robbers just wanted to threaten someone's life and take their livelihood. They should just roll over and take it.... I guess they should let them rape everyone in the place too, and while they're at it sodomize the family pet...

Jeez. When someone threatens your life, they are not a victim, and they are not your friend.

Survival instinct. Get some!
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I agreed with you up to this point... but never, ever encourage such a looser to improve themselves, or society in general, as they are utterly incapable. The only improvement this kind of spineless lay-about can contribute to society is to leave the gene pool before they contaminate it further with offspring.
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
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a thief is a thief....don't like the consequences, get a new line of work!
pull a weapon on me or mine be it a firearm, knife, whatever...I'll do more than shoot you I'll empty the clip and reload!
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
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Second chances are for loosers like you...

A "second chance" is a consummate act of charity by the person giving it... it is not, and cannot be made obligatory by any law or authority.

I have given a few second chances. More often than not, I've regretted it. That doesn't mean I'll never give another person a second chance, but I can say this - when you present a real and immediate threat to my life, or the lives of those I care about, you better be ready to feed the worms, because that is one instance where I will *never* give a second chance.

Do that, and you're going straight to hell; you will not pass a judges bench, and you will not get 20 years on death row to think about what you did. You will be DEAD...RIGHT...THEN.

When you breach the social standard against initiating violence, you deserve to reap what you sow, and immediately. Period
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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wrong

these robbers are extremely stupid and donot know how to open a cash register, so after they get what they want, they shoot dead their victim, and you too if youare atanding there.
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You violate my sense of safety, you get shot.
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Oh so I can just shoot anybody who "violates my sense of safety"?
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Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.
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But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.
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The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

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Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308




Your opinion is not controversial, it's simply ignorant.

How will your family survive without you to provide for them?

How can you let your daughter grow up without a father?

Are you really that laxidasical to just lie down without a fight?

You are certainly a liberal, I'll give you that.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

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Netherlands -

You have no understanding whatsoever of what the word logic means.

Do you know why you do not put your hand on a hot stove burner?

Because you either did it yourself already, and suffered the consequence (required tool for growth), or someone else suffered the consequence and you learned from their example.

But what if it didn't hurt when you put your hand on the hot burner? What if, because the consequence of pain was removed from the equation, you simply left your hand on the hot burner because nothing was motivating you to remove it?

It would not be long before you no longer had your hand.

There is a consequence for making the decision to seek terror and harm against anyone else. Period.

You can lay judgement all that you like upon the actions that people take to protect themselves and others from harm.
Perhaps, in the same scenario, you would have had the clarity of thought to devise an amicable resolution to the dilemma that did fit within the confines of your poorly constructed logic, but you strike me as one who talks a talk that can't be walked.

In other words, you are not real.

So I doubt it.

Since you have no problem with sacrificing your own life for "the greater good of society", feel free to go hold yourself ethically accountable for all of the "victims of societal injustice", as your philosophy of extreme enablement is exactly the societal injustice that grooms at-risk individuals into becoming desperate, sociopathic thugs who prey upon the weak and innocent.
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That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Who in the Hell has time to dial the cops when a gun is pointed at them?

SMH
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What's the old saying OP?

When you need a cop, they're only 10 minutes away.
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Cops report the crime. Well armed citizens prevent it.
The world just might end with me
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I seriously don't understand all this hate. I mean wtf, is the USA really so backwards that they don't respect human life and let anybody with a gun (and that is basically anybody) kill people?

Look at Europe and Australia, it is undeniably much better there, no killings and no guns. How can you sleep at night knowing your neighbour has a gun, that guy you used to fight with in high school now has loads of guns, etc. etc.?

How can you send your kids to school knowing that a maniac could pull a gun at any time and start murdering your children?All studies show that guns increase the chance of violence and that people with guns have more chance to be killed by their own gun than by somebody else.

The USA is the only country with these kind of laws and it is a total shithole, worse than most warzones on earth.

I don't see how you can argue reality.
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Because an ARMED populace is a POLITE populace.
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yeah cause having machines that are solely used for killing makes people polite

putin
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You have never been here I take it?

You seem to think that the entire country looks like Detroit or something. Well, it does'nt.

I tell you what, I feel safer walking here in the middle of the night with my sidearm than I do in the Daytime in most parts of europe. Yes, I spend some time over there in Copenhagen, Hamburg, Berlin, Brussels, and Paris.

Until you take the time to visit the US, you really should refrain from calling it a shithole.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
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"How do you know the gun is real?" Stupidest shit head ever. The drug abuse has fried your brain.
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Netherlands -

You have no understanding whatsoever of what the word logic means.

Do you know why you do not put your hand on a hot stove burner?

Because you either did it yourself already, and suffered the consequence (required tool for growth), or someone else suffered the consequence and you learned from their example.

But what if it didn't hurt when you put your hand on the hot burner? What if, because the consequence of pain was removed from the equation, you simply left your hand on the hot burner because nothing was motivating you to remove it?

It would not be long before you no longer had your hand.

There is a consequence for making the decision to seek terror and harm against anyone else. Period.

You can lay judgement all that you like upon the actions that people take to protect themselves and others from harm.
Perhaps, in the same scenario, you would have had the clarity of thought to devise an amicable resolution to the dilemma that did fit within the confines of your poorly constructed logic, but you strike me as one who talks a talk that can't be walked.

In other words, you are not real.

So I doubt it.

Since you have no problem with sacrificing your own life for "the greater good of society", feel free to go hold yourself ethically accountable for all of the "victims of societal injustice", as your philosophy of extreme enablement is exactly the societal injustice that grooms at-risk individuals into becoming desperate, sociopathic thugs who prey upon the weak and innocent.
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Very well said!
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Please ignore the German flag, I am an American.

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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Wait what??? You would let your child be killed instead of you protecting it? You would allow yourself to be killed and your child be raised without a parent??

WTF?
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We talked about these kind of situations in Philosophy class in high school and yeah if you look at it from a purely reasonable and logical viewpoint it IS better to let yourself be killed than to kill another person. Being murdered is better than being a murderer. A kid growing up with a murdered father is still better than a kid growing up with a father that is a murderer.

In the case of the child I don't know, we didn't talk about that situation in that class. I think in that case it would be justified so it shouldn't be punished too harsh.
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What would be the difference if your child was witnessing your murder. You would allow that?
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Look these kind of things are difficult subjects but if given this choice it would be better that he witnessed my murder instead of witnessing me murdering.
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I think the biggest problem you have with the American idiom of self-presevation is because you live and have been raised in a soliclist country where the many out-weight the needs of a few. In American everyone counts. My life is no better than yours, but yours is still no better than mine. If you enter my private space with a weapon, with the intent to cause me harm, whether physical, mental, monetary, or emotional, you have crossed a line. Since I have no way to understand your intent except by the use of the weapon, my intent is to stay alive to continue with my further protection of my loves ones. You raise that weapon, you WILL die. It is that simple. You have threatened me and mine in a place that is mine, you have forfeited your chance to maintain your life at it's present level. Living in this country, you would know this. Living in a strickly socialist country, you have no real comcept of personal freedom, and the right to life, freedom, and liberty. It matters not what the government is doing to take these rights from us, they can not take what is not theirs. It is the same with anyone walking in and demanding the right to steal.
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Re: ....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....
It's the danger the ARMED perp imposed on the bartenders customers that warrants the perps death. You fucking idiot! It had nothing to do with money! It has to do with the danger people like this pose to society! KILL THEM DEAD!

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Right you are. Like wielding a big ass samaru sword in a crowded market.

Just respond.

"Oh, don't worry, it's ok. He's S-T-U-P-I-D. That way, if he chops someone's head off. We have an excuse."
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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Poor victim of social injustice? lol

You Nethertards never cease to amaze.
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Re: ....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....
No need for this, because LUCIFER (The son of god a.k.a jesus) HAS ARRIVED TO PWN SOME FUCKING NOOBS. I AM TALKING HE IS GOING TO FUCKING KILL, TORTURE AND RAPE THE Illuminati/Masonry/Occult/MuslimBrotherhood/CIA/Interpol/*cou​gh*Royal*cough* Shitstain bloodlines/Skull&Bones.


Or to make it easier just add them all up and call them the "Untermenschen Vereinung" (They actually prefer this name more).
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
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1) They were pointing a gun, threatening to kill everyone in the shop.

2) If they stole money, and then someone ran up to them and shot them point-blank, that is killing for money. Or if someone paid them to do ti.

Don't you value human life?
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Don't you value the innocent people in the world and in that shop?

Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
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Do you really think 10 bucks worth of weed and coke is worth killing innocent people or robbing them?

And if it came down to it, that those people's innocent lives (not robbers) were worth less than ONE criminal on the run with a gun?

I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states.
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What are you talking about?

What murder? Did you just make this up?

you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.
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Do you actually know where the United States are?

Have you ever actually SEEN the ground of the United States?

Have you ever been to a town where "boom" off goes your head?

Not many Americans have. You sound like you have literally no idea what you're representing.

How do you even know the gun is real?
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Let's find out.

Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration.
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That's cool, but confused, desperate people murder other people while they're on their way home from work.

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