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....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

 
Anonymous Coward
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Hope you're joking.
The criminal could have asked for some money, then the bartender would have had the option of helping the "disadvantaged" or not.
He decided to threaten people's lives instead and got a bullet in the head. Justice is served.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Hope you're joking.
The criminal could have asked for some money, then the bartender would have had the option of helping the "disadvantaged" or not.
He decided to threaten people's lives instead and got a bullet in the head. Justice is served.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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Yeah,t hat sounds nice, but the fact is if he is there to rob, you DO NOT KNOW that is all he will do.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Yeah,t hat sounds nice, but the fact is if he is there to rob, you DO NOT KNOW that is all he will do.
 Quoting: Weltsmertz


If someone was gonna rob me and I had no gun....I might comply,
If I had a gun....a whole other story.
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Curious, is this the general feeling in the Netherlands? I've not seen anyone else else from there chime in.

Yeah, Ole 'America might have some issues, but one thing I can tell you about us, we won't back down.
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Here is an article from my country, it is translated poorly cause I am lazy.

community service after death burglar

BREDA -
The father and son who were involved in October 2011 at the death of a 24-year-old burglar in the Brabant Steenbergen, have been both a community service. That the court in Breda Thursday determined.

 
Photo: Remco de Ruijter Photography
The victim was then bathed in the blood found in a property to the Kruitweg. He was on the run from the father and son after they had caught while some tried to steal cannabis plants at their homes. Him in the act The man then jumped through a window in panic from the outside. He died a short time later of his injuries.
The 34-year-old son has a community service of 80 hours and received a suspended sentence of one month. The 64-year-old father got to forty hours of community service imposed writes Omroep Brabant. The court also explained both an unconditional prison sentence, but because they were already at that time nearly three months in custody, they do not have the cell again.

[link to www.telegraaf.nl]

You don't just get to murder people here, we put value on human life.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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sarcasm, right?
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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sarcasm, right?
 Quoting: nothingland 27832335


Nope, I thought so as well.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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Fuck Social Justice!!

The perp got ECACTLY what he deserved and you sir are a fucking idiot! Have you ever been at the wrong end of a gun? Probably not I think, otherwise you would have a different view on these "poor victim" robbers.
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I wish I would have knocked the fool out who was drunk and waving a gun near me before, it would have been what he deserved. I totally agree with you.
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He should be allowed to mount the dead mans head over his bar as a trophy. It would be a great deterrent and good for business.
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Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there.
Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.
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I really don't understand Europeans such as yourself. You are a pussy. I imagine if someone is beating you to take your wallet you just cower and turn the other cheek.

One thing I have learned is that people with your mind set cannot be reasoned with............ you have the same unmovable and distorted view of things as the hardline animal rights activists.

Not worth the breath.
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Holy shit, I thought the liberal bleeding heart faggot in the netherlands was kidding, hes fucking dead serious.

I dont give a shit if you value everyones life, I value my own and my families above others, but still value life just the same.

If you threaten me, my life, my family, and/or anything I have worked for, then you are risking your life.

If you are willing to risk your life to commit a crime and end up dying because you RISKED YOUR LIFE then too fucking bad, im sorry you wasted your precious beautiful criminal sorry ass life.

The only good criminal is a dead criminal. Fuck em.
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Responding to the Netherland guy's point about murder rates. Homicide rates per 100,000 people color coded: we're actually quite low compared to many countries. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

And in the US the Norway killer wouldn't have been able to kill so many without being stopped, probably by someone carrying.
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


That was fucking awesome.
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08/19/2013 06:12 PM
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HEY NEDERLANDER




WHY DON'T YOU JUST INVITE THE GERMANS BACK IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN 1940-1945?


THE ONLY THING THEY DID WRONG WAS WALK IN WITH A FEW GUNS AND WANTED TO TAKE YOUR STUFF ANYWAY. NO BIG DEAL.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


Been too long since the last German Occupation I see.

People like you are bullet fodder.....I guess we need you to eat lead and die useless deaths so the stronger more willing can survive and take care of the assholes in this world.
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HEY NEDERLANDER




WHY DON'T YOU JUST INVITE THE GERMANS BACK IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN 1940-1945?


THE ONLY THING THEY DID WRONG WAS WALK IN WITH A FEW GUNS AND WANTED TO TAKE YOUR STUFF ANYWAY. NO BIG DEAL.
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Lol....
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HEY NEDERLANDER




WHY DON'T YOU JUST INVITE THE GERMANS BACK IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN 1940-1945?


THE ONLY THING THEY DID WRONG WAS WALK IN WITH A FEW GUNS AND WANTED TO TAKE YOUR STUFF ANYWAY. NO BIG DEAL.
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LOL retard, so because the Nazi's had guns they are good and everybody should have them? Holy fucking shit, is this a troll forum? I can't believe this is real.
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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The butt hurt is STRONG! with this oneputinslaphim
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HEY NEDERLANDER




WHY DON'T YOU JUST INVITE THE GERMANS BACK IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN 1940-1945?


THE ONLY THING THEY DID WRONG WAS WALK IN WITH A FEW GUNS AND WANTED TO TAKE YOUR STUFF ANYWAY. NO BIG DEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34711186


LOL retard, so because the Nazi's had guns they are good and everybody should have them? Holy fucking shit, is this a troll forum? I can't believe this is real.
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Who is trolling who?
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


There is no justification possible,moral or otherwise, for threatening someone's life and taking valuables by force.

That is always wrong and should be met with the strongest possible resistance.

But of course the neutered euros can't resist because the only means they have to resist is physical force. In effect Europe has brought back the law of the jungle. The physically stronger can take what they want from weaker people.

I doubt if that works "perfectly fine" in your country.

If being a helpless serf is your cup of tea, that's fine. Just don't wish, expect and want everyone else to be the same.

And don't try to cover up this disgusting servility by attempting to co opt the moral high ground.

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I just don't get it. If someone wants to rob you, just hand over your goods and be happy you did society a favor by not shooting them? Really?
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Disgusting, you can't take someone's life to secure a few bucks. He should have just let the poor victim of social injustice take whatever he wanted and let him be.
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The butt hurt is STRONG! with this oneputinslaphim
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


There is no justification possible,moral or otherwise, for threatening someone's life and taking valuables by force.

That is always wrong and should be met with the strongest possible resistance.

But of course the neutered euros can't resist because the only means they have to resist is physical force. In effect Europe has brought back the law of the jungle. The physically stronger can take what they want from weaker people.

I doubt if that works "perfectly fine" in your country.

If being a helpless serf is your cup of tea, that's fine. Just don't wish, expect and want everyone else to be the same.

And don't try to cover up this disgusting servility by attempting to co opt the moral high ground.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


well people are allowed to defend themselves, just with appropriate force. You can't hit somebody if he hasn't hit you, you can't kill somebody if he hasn't tried to kill you.
Yeah pointing a gun at someone is threatening so you are allowed to try to disarm them and in some cases you might even be allowed to kill them but only in extreme circumstances. Some guy robbing somebody for a few bucks is not worth taking the life of another person.
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I just don't get it. If someone wants to rob you, just hand over your goods and be happy you did society a favor by not shooting them? Really?
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So you really think a human is worth less than a cellphone and a few bucks? Is that because you of your past with slavery?
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Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages.
Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life?
I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308



Ah yes here bleeding heart. If a down on his luck guy walked up to you and spit in your face, would you knock him on his ass or open your mouth? How stupid you are. What the fuck is going on up there in the Netherlands? Stay off here if you dont want a daily ass chewing. Dumbass.
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I just don't get it. If someone wants to rob you, just hand over your goods and be happy you did society a favor by not shooting them? Really?
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So you really think a human is worth less than a cellphone and a few bucks? Is that because you of your past with slavery?
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EW GOD MAKE IT LEAVE!!!!!!!! Troll!!!
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Outstanding!!!
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I just don't get it. If someone wants to rob you, just hand over your goods and be happy you did society a favor by not shooting them? Really?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41924162


So you really think a human is worth less than a cellphone and a few bucks? Is that because you of your past with slavery?
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EW GOD MAKE IT LEAVE!!!!!!!! Troll!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29246799


Seriously, wtf is wrong with this place? It is like FTB, if you have a opinion that doesn't adhere to the gospel you are a troll.
Why do you think guns are practically illegal in the Netherlands?
Why do you think we put strong restrictions on self defense?
Because everybody here thinks that you can just shoot somebody over petty possession? Because nobody gives a fuck about other people and only about themselves?
No,
it is because we are civilised and think a human life is more important than crude matter. It is very calm and safe here because of it. It feels good sleeping at night that the crazies don't have the means to kill anybody that attacks their pride.
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I just don't get it. If someone wants to rob you, just hand over your goods and be happy you did society a favor by not shooting them? Really?
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So you really think a human is worth less than a cellphone and a few bucks? Is that because you of your past with slavery?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


I don't think people that do this are human at all.
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It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!
 Quoting: Chip


SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


There is no justification possible,moral or otherwise, for threatening someone's life and taking valuables by force.

That is always wrong and should be met with the strongest possible resistance.

But of course the neutered euros can't resist because the only means they have to resist is physical force. In effect Europe has brought back the law of the jungle. The physically stronger can take what they want from weaker people.

I doubt if that works "perfectly fine" in your country.

If being a helpless serf is your cup of tea, that's fine. Just don't wish, expect and want everyone else to be the same.

And don't try to cover up this disgusting servility by attempting to co opt the moral high ground.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


well people are allowed to defend themselves, just with appropriate force. You can't hit somebody if he hasn't hit you, you can't kill somebody if he hasn't tried to kill you.
Yeah pointing a gun at someone is threatening so you are allowed to try to disarm them and in some cases you might even be allowed to kill them but only in extreme circumstances. Some guy robbing somebody for a few bucks is not worth taking the life of another person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308


when someone holds a gun on you they are threatening to take your life whether or not you comply.

In many cases criminals kill people execution style after they are tied up or have given over their valuables.

There is no way to know what the mindset is.

So the appropriate thing to do is consider robbery by force as a deadly threat.

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