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The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!

 
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You're right OP but take the next step and realize Yawheh, Jehovah, Creator God is also Satan. All you have to do is read the Old Testament with open eyes to see that he is the Evil One.
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Uh, no. Yahweh isn't God's name. Neither is Jehovah etc. Thats Satan. God's name is Hayah.

Apparently you have no understanding of sin or anything written in the OT.
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That's what I said, then you said no and repeated it back to me. WTF?
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No you said the God of the OT is Satan. The Creator isn't Satan.
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[link to www.justgivemethetruth.com]

The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!

He was Satan In The Flesh! An Antichrist!

Matthew 24:4-5 states you will be deceived by people that come using Jesus’ name. Consider the parable of the sower. Jesus was warning us then that as soon as His Gospel was preached, the enemy (Paul) would be there to steal the truth!



Paul said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said it was a blessing. Who's lying?

Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.
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Interesting comments, people have argued over and discussed these things down through the ages. In a nutshell regarding two of your points:

There are TWO laws - the Ten Commandments, which were written on/in stone by God Himself; and the civic and ceremonial laws, which were put in the ark BESIDE the Ten Commandments and were given by God but written in a BOOK by human Moses. Paul was referring to these "Mosaic" laws. Written by God on STONE, the Ten Commandments cannot be changed. Nowhere in the Bible is there a God-authorized or any other change from Sabbath to Sunday (first day), the seventh-day Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments (the ceremonial sabbaths are in the Mosaic law and were done away with at the cross). Easy to erase something written on paper; almost impossible if it's on stone.

We do not know the length that Jesus and His disciples wore their hair. Most paintings of Him were done eons ago in a time when long hair for men was fashionable. Don't want to go into much detail, but, yes, according to I Corinthians 11:14, Jesus did not have really long hair. They followed the Bible first and then the fashion of their day.

Thanks for your comments, it's always good to study these things.
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No, there is only 1 law and it's 613 commandments. Certain things don't apply anymore because Israel isn't in their land. And Jesus was our sacrifice so ceremonial sacrifices aren't needed anymore etc.

"Ceremonial laws were done away with" Thats false because you're not suppose to eat pork. In Genesis Noah was aware of clean & unclean animals before the laws were even written down.
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ALL the Apostles agreed with Paul, and they even sent out Paul as their messenger to say that!


24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

-- Acts 15:24-25
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OP,

Please QUOTE some examples of what you say is Paul's "Satanic deception."

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ALL the Apostles agreed with Paul, and they even sent out Paul as their messenger to say that!


24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

-- Acts 15:24-25
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Paul refers to 2 different laws that are misinterpreted. The first law is the law of death by sin. The second is God's commandments.

Paul states we can no longer condemn people for their sins by killing them because everyone is under grace. But he agrees everyone must still follow God's 10+ commandments. Meaning no pork, keep the sabbath holy (Not sunday) etc.
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About the year 65 C.E., the apostle Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy, reminding him: “From infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.” Paul next stated: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:15, 16)

We would not even have the Bible if God had not seen to it that it was written and preserved by a people whom he had chosen. (Romans 3:1, 2) In ancient Israel the Mosaic Law was not just a sacred relic to be preserved for future generations but was, in effect, the constitution of that nation. Details in the Law that may seem unnecessary to us today were vital to the survival and proper functioning of ancient Israel. Moreover, the genealogical records in the Bible were necessary to identify the Messiah, who was foretold to be a direct descendant of King David.—2 Samuel 7:12, 13; Luke 1:32; 3:23-31.

Although Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they need to exercise faith in the foretold Messiah, Jesus Christ. The ancient genealogies preserved in the Bible prove that Jesus was indeed the promised “son of David.” And details regarding sacrifices deepen our appreciation for the far more important sacrifice that Jesus made, building faith in its value.—Hebrews 9:11, 12. [link to wol.jw.org]
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About the year 65 C.E., the apostle Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy, reminding him: “From infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.” Paul next stated: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:15, 16)

We would not even have the Bible if God had not seen to it that it was written and preserved by a people whom he had chosen. (Romans 3:1, 2) In ancient Israel the Mosaic Law was not just a sacred relic to be preserved for future generations but was, in effect, the constitution of that nation. Details in the Law that may seem unnecessary to us today were vital to the survival and proper functioning of ancient Israel. Moreover, the genealogical records in the Bible were necessary to identify the Messiah, who was foretold to be a direct descendant of King David.—2 Samuel 7:12, 13; Luke 1:32; 3:23-31.

Although Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they need to exercise faith in the foretold Messiah, Jesus Christ. The ancient genealogies preserved in the Bible prove that Jesus was indeed the promised “son of David.” And details regarding sacrifices deepen our appreciation for the far more important sacrifice that Jesus made, building faith in its value.—Hebrews 9:11, 12. [link to wol.jw.org]
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Define "under the mosaic law". Because Paul and other authors of the NT quote from that "law" many times. Sin is sin, and sin can only be defined with the "mosaic law". There's no such thing as sin being abolished. If it was a sin back then, it's a sin now.
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About the year 65 C.E., the apostle Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy, reminding him: “From infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.” Paul next stated: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:15, 16)

We would not even have the Bible if God had not seen to it that it was written and preserved by a people whom he had chosen. (Romans 3:1, 2) In ancient Israel the Mosaic Law was not just a sacred relic to be preserved for future generations but was, in effect, the constitution of that nation. Details in the Law that may seem unnecessary to us today were vital to the survival and proper functioning of ancient Israel. Moreover, the genealogical records in the Bible were necessary to identify the Messiah, who was foretold to be a direct descendant of King David.—2 Samuel 7:12, 13; Luke 1:32; 3:23-31.

Although Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they need to exercise faith in the foretold Messiah, Jesus Christ. The ancient genealogies preserved in the Bible prove that Jesus was indeed the promised “son of David.” And details regarding sacrifices deepen our appreciation for the far more important sacrifice that Jesus made, building faith in its value.—Hebrews 9:11, 12. [link to wol.jw.org]
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Define "under the mosaic law". Because Paul and other authors of the NT quote from that "law" many times. Sin is sin, and sin can only be defined with the "mosaic law". There's no such thing as sin being abolished. If it was a sin back then, it's a sin now.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great

I hope this is a good answer for you. There's more about this right under this quote I selected if you go to the link below.
When referring to the passing away of the Mosaic Law, does the Bible directly say that the Ten Commandments were included in what came to an end?

Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

2 Cor. 3:7 to 11: “If the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? . . . For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory.” (Reference is made here to a code that was “engraved in letters in stones” and it is said that “the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses” on the occasion when it was delivered to them. What is this describing? Exodus 34:1, 28-30 shows that it is the giving of the Ten Commandments; these were the commandments engraved on stone. Obviously these are included in what the scripture here says “was to be done away with.”) [link to wol.jw.org]

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About the year 65 C.E., the apostle Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy, reminding him: “From infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.” Paul next stated: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:15, 16)

We would not even have the Bible if God had not seen to it that it was written and preserved by a people whom he had chosen. (Romans 3:1, 2) In ancient Israel the Mosaic Law was not just a sacred relic to be preserved for future generations but was, in effect, the constitution of that nation. Details in the Law that may seem unnecessary to us today were vital to the survival and proper functioning of ancient Israel. Moreover, the genealogical records in the Bible were necessary to identify the Messiah, who was foretold to be a direct descendant of King David.—2 Samuel 7:12, 13; Luke 1:32; 3:23-31.

Although Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they need to exercise faith in the foretold Messiah, Jesus Christ. The ancient genealogies preserved in the Bible prove that Jesus was indeed the promised “son of David.” And details regarding sacrifices deepen our appreciation for the far more important sacrifice that Jesus made, building faith in its value.—Hebrews 9:11, 12. [link to wol.jw.org]
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Define "under the mosaic law". Because Paul and other authors of the NT quote from that "law" many times. Sin is sin, and sin can only be defined with the "mosaic law". There's no such thing as sin being abolished. If it was a sin back then, it's a sin now.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great

I hope this is a good answer for you. There's more about this right under this quote I selected if you go to the link below.
When referring to the passing away of the Mosaic Law, does the Bible directly say that the Ten Commandments were included in what came to an end?

Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

2 Cor. 3:7 to 11: “If the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? . . . For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory.” (Reference is made here to a code that was “engraved in letters in stones” and it is said that “the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses” on the occasion when it was delivered to them. What is this describing? Exodus 34:1, 28-30 shows that it is the giving of the Ten Commandments; these were the commandments engraved on stone. Obviously these are included in what the scripture here says “was to be done away with.”) [link to wol.jw.org]
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.

What law can you transgress against if there is no law ?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Obviously Paul is talking about 2 separate laws. The commandments of God and the law of death under sin.
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About the year 65 C.E., the apostle Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy, reminding him: “From infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.” Paul next stated: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:15, 16)

We would not even have the Bible if God had not seen to it that it was written and preserved by a people whom he had chosen. (Romans 3:1, 2) In ancient Israel the Mosaic Law was not just a sacred relic to be preserved for future generations but was, in effect, the constitution of that nation. Details in the Law that may seem unnecessary to us today were vital to the survival and proper functioning of ancient Israel. Moreover, the genealogical records in the Bible were necessary to identify the Messiah, who was foretold to be a direct descendant of King David.—2 Samuel 7:12, 13; Luke 1:32; 3:23-31.

Although Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they need to exercise faith in the foretold Messiah, Jesus Christ. The ancient genealogies preserved in the Bible prove that Jesus was indeed the promised “son of David.” And details regarding sacrifices deepen our appreciation for the far more important sacrifice that Jesus made, building faith in its value.—Hebrews 9:11, 12. [link to wol.jw.org]
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Define "under the mosaic law". Because Paul and other authors of the NT quote from that "law" many times. Sin is sin, and sin can only be defined with the "mosaic law". There's no such thing as sin being abolished. If it was a sin back then, it's a sin now.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great

I hope this is a good answer for you. There's more about this right under this quote I selected if you go to the link below.
When referring to the passing away of the Mosaic Law, does the Bible directly say that the Ten Commandments were included in what came to an end?

Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

2 Cor. 3:7 to 11: “If the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? . . . For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory.” (Reference is made here to a code that was “engraved in letters in stones” and it is said that “the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses” on the occasion when it was delivered to them. What is this describing? Exodus 34:1, 28-30 shows that it is the giving of the Ten Commandments; these were the commandments engraved on stone. Obviously these are included in what the scripture here says “was to be done away with.”) [link to wol.jw.org]
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.

We are now under grace meaning if you break a law, you can be forgiven. Grace is not an excuse to sin.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.

What law can you transgress against if there is no law ?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Obviously Paul is talking about 2 separate laws. The commandments of God and the law of death under sin.
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ALL the Apostles agreed with Paul, and they even sent out Paul as their messenger to say that!


24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

-- Acts 15:24-25
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Paul refers to 2 different laws that are misinterpreted. The first law is the law of death by sin. The second is God's commandments.

Paul states we can no longer condemn people for their sins by killing them because everyone is under grace. But he agrees everyone must still follow God's 10+ commandments. Meaning no pork, keep the sabbath holy (Not sunday) etc.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


The ten commandments are for the Israelites. Unless you change them, they are obviously for the Israelites:


I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
-- Deuteronomy 5:6

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
-- Deuteronomy 5:15

Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
-- Deuteronomy 5:16


Christians weren't saved from slavery in Egypt or given the promised land, that was the Israelites.
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Must I believe in Paul to be saved?
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Define "under the mosaic law". Because Paul and other authors of the NT quote from that "law" many times. Sin is sin, and sin can only be defined with the "mosaic law". There's no such thing as sin being abolished. If it was a sin back then, it's a sin now.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great

I hope this is a good answer for you. There's more about this right under this quote I selected if you go to the link below.
When referring to the passing away of the Mosaic Law, does the Bible directly say that the Ten Commandments were included in what came to an end?

Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

2 Cor. 3:7 to 11: “If the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? . . . For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory.” (Reference is made here to a code that was “engraved in letters in stones” and it is said that “the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses” on the occasion when it was delivered to them. What is this describing? Exodus 34:1, 28-30 shows that it is the giving of the Ten Commandments; these were the commandments engraved on stone. Obviously these are included in what the scripture here says “was to be done away with.”) [link to wol.jw.org]
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. But If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


Well here's the other part I was referring to-
[Notice it mostly agrees with what you said about the 10 Commandments being in the New Testament too.]

... many of the moral standards set out in the Ten Commandments were restated in the inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures. (There was, however, no restating of the sabbath law.) But no matter how good a law is, as long as sinful inclinations dominate a person’s desires, there will be lawlessness. However, regarding the new covenant, which has replaced the Law covenant, Hebrews 8:10 states: “‘For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,’ says Jehovah. ‘I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.’” How much more effective such laws are than those engraved on stone tablets!

Rom. 6:15-17: “Shall we commit a sin because we are not under law but under undeserved kindness? Never may that happen! Do you not know that if you keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view? But thanks to God that you were the slaves of sin but you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were handed over.” (See also Galatians5:18-24.)
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ALL the Apostles agreed with Paul, and they even sent out Paul as their messenger to say that!


24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

-- Acts 15:24-25
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Paul refers to 2 different laws that are misinterpreted. The first law is the law of death by sin. The second is God's commandments.

Paul states we can no longer condemn people for their sins by killing them because everyone is under grace. But he agrees everyone must still follow God's 10+ commandments. Meaning no pork, keep the sabbath holy (Not sunday) etc.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


The ten commandments are for the Israelites. Unless you change them, they are obviously for the Israelites:


I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
-- Deuteronomy 5:6

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
-- Deuteronomy 5:15

Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
-- Deuteronomy 5:16


Christians weren't saved from slavery in Egypt or given the promised land, that was the Israelites.
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Romans 11:16-18 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too. 17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

Christians were grafted into Israel. You must follow God's commandments because those are his laws not Israel's. Paul and other NT authors quote from that same law. If you don't feel the need to follow commandments, you obviously don't worship the same God.

There isn't one verse in the bible that says sin only applied to Israel, and the LAW prevents sin.
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Define "under the mosaic law". Because Paul and other authors of the NT quote from that "law" many times. Sin is sin, and sin can only be defined with the "mosaic law". There's no such thing as sin being abolished. If it was a sin back then, it's a sin now.
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I hope this is a good answer for you. There's more about this right under this quote I selected if you go to the link below.
When referring to the passing away of the Mosaic Law, does the Bible directly say that the Ten Commandments were included in what came to an end?

Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

2 Cor. 3:7 to 11: “If the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? . . . For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory.” (Reference is made here to a code that was “engraved in letters in stones” and it is said that “the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses” on the occasion when it was delivered to them. What is this describing? Exodus 34:1, 28-30 shows that it is the giving of the Ten Commandments; these were the commandments engraved on stone. Obviously these are included in what the scripture here says “was to be done away with.”) [link to wol.jw.org]
 Quoting: chauchat



Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. But If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


Well here's the other part I was referring to-
[Notice it mostly agrees with what you said about the 10 Commandments being in the New Testament too.]

... many of the moral standards set out in the Ten Commandments were restated in the inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures. (There was, however, no restating of the sabbath law.) But no matter how good a law is, as long as sinful inclinations dominate a person’s desires, there will be lawlessness. However, regarding the new covenant, which has replaced the Law covenant, Hebrews 8:10 states: “‘For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,’ says Jehovah. ‘I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.’” How much more effective such laws are than those engraved on stone tablets!

Rom. 6:15-17: “Shall we commit a sin because we are not under law but under undeserved kindness? Never may that happen! Do you not know that if you keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view? But thanks to God that you were the slaves of sin but you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were handed over.” (See also Galatians5:18-24.)
[link to wol.jw.org]
 Quoting: chauchat


A covenant is an agreement. The OT was not replaced. It links with the NT. The new agreement is to accept Christ and follow his doctrine.

John 10:30 I and the father are one

If Jesus was the God of the OT also then his laws still apply.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law hasn't been fulfilled yet. Churches are deceiving people and teaching false doctrine.
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Wow I can't believe these people believe this shit.
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Must I believe in Paul to be saved?
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2 Timothy 3:14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe,+ knowing from what persons you learned them+ 15 and that from infancy+ you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation+ through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God*+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving,+ for setting things straight,*+ for disciplining+ in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent,+ completely equipped* for every good work.+

To trust what he says above might be essential, I would think.-Not because he says it, but because it's part of the inspired Scriptures that God can, and has, preserved for us.
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Must I believe in Paul to be saved?
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2 Timothy 3:14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe,+ knowing from what persons you learned them+ 15 and that from infancy+ you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation+ through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God*+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving,+ for setting things straight,*+ for disciplining+ in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent,+ completely equipped* for every good work.+

To trust what he says above might be essential, I would think.-Not because he says it, but because it's part of the inspired Scriptures that God can, and has, preserved for us.
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If God preserved the scriptures why did he do it in so many different translations?
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Must I believe in Paul to be saved?
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2 Timothy 3:14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe,+ knowing from what persons you learned them+ 15 and that from infancy+ you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation+ through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God*+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving,+ for setting things straight,*+ for disciplining+ in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent,+ completely equipped* for every good work.+

To trust what he says above might be essential, I would think.-Not because he says it, but because it's part of the inspired Scriptures that God can, and has, preserved for us.
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If God preserved the scriptures why did he do it in so many different translations?
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Thats man's doing. The bible was written in Hebrew but Greek texts seem to be the more translated versions. Greek and Hebrew don't have the same meanings.

For example Jehovah, Yahweh etc isn't God's name. Satan was given power to change the names but he cannot tamper with the word of God (KJV is the only decent book available). And versions like the NIV bible are products from Satan. The NIV bible barely recognizes Jesus and the Son of God
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Acts 9: 15 Go for he (Paul) , is a chosen vessel of MINE, to bear my name among the gentiles kings, and the children of Israel. This is in red in my bible, spoken by our LORD. You must remember that until JESUS CHRIST went to the cross, the law was what they were going by. After the cross of JESUS it is GRACE and FAITH that is taught. When you accept CHRIST, you have a change in your heart and the HOLY SPIRIT will guide you to be the best you can be. Praise GOD. You are no longer under the law but GRACE. Yes, I believe Paul because the LORD said he was HIS chosen vessel.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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I hope this is a good answer for you. There's more about this right under this quote I selected if you go to the link below.
When referring to the passing away of the Mosaic Law, does the Bible directly say that the Ten Commandments were included in what came to an end?

Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

2 Cor. 3:7 to 11: “If the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? . . . For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory.” (Reference is made here to a code that was “engraved in letters in stones” and it is said that “the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses” on the occasion when it was delivered to them. What is this describing? Exodus 34:1, 28-30 shows that it is the giving of the Ten Commandments; these were the commandments engraved on stone. Obviously these are included in what the scripture here says “was to be done away with.”) [link to wol.jw.org]
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. But If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


Well here's the other part I was referring to-
[Notice it mostly agrees with what you said about the 10 Commandments being in the New Testament too.]

... many of the moral standards set out in the Ten Commandments were restated in the inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures. (There was, however, no restating of the sabbath law.) But no matter how good a law is, as long as sinful inclinations dominate a person’s desires, there will be lawlessness. However, regarding the new covenant, which has replaced the Law covenant, Hebrews 8:10 states: “‘For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,’ says Jehovah. ‘I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.’” How much more effective such laws are than those engraved on stone tablets!

Rom. 6:15-17: “Shall we commit a sin because we are not under law but under undeserved kindness? Never may that happen! Do you not know that if you keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view? But thanks to God that you were the slaves of sin but you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were handed over.” (See also Galatians5:18-24.)
[link to wol.jw.org]
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A covenant is an agreement. The OT was not replaced. It links with the NT. The new agreement is to accept Christ and follow his doctrine.

John 10:30 I and the father are one

If Jesus was the God of the OT also then his laws still apply.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law hasn't been fulfilled yet. Churches are deceiving people and teaching false doctrine.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great

The strong bond of unity does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.

"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus said he came to fulfill the law.

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Must I believe in Paul to be saved?
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2 Timothy 3:14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe,+ knowing from what persons you learned them+ 15 and that from infancy+ you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation+ through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God*+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving,+ for setting things straight,*+ for disciplining+ in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent,+ completely equipped* for every good work.+

To trust what he says above might be essential, I would think.-Not because he says it, but because it's part of the inspired Scriptures that God can, and has, preserved for us.
 Quoting: chauchat


If God preserved the scriptures why did he do it in so many different translations?
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Thats man's doing. The bible was written in Hebrew but Greek texts seem to be the more translated versions. Greek and Hebrew don't have the same meanings.

For example Jehovah, Yahweh etc isn't God's name. Satan was given power to change the names but he cannot tamper with the word of God (KJV is the only decent book available). And versions like the NIV bible are products from Satan. The NIV bible barely recognizes Jesus and the Son of God
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So your saying that God allowed the bad translations to weed out the people who weren't really serious about being Christians anyway. Kind of a test like the dinosaur bones?
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. But If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


Well here's the other part I was referring to-
[Notice it mostly agrees with what you said about the 10 Commandments being in the New Testament too.]

... many of the moral standards set out in the Ten Commandments were restated in the inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures. (There was, however, no restating of the sabbath law.) But no matter how good a law is, as long as sinful inclinations dominate a person’s desires, there will be lawlessness. However, regarding the new covenant, which has replaced the Law covenant, Hebrews 8:10 states: “‘For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,’ says Jehovah. ‘I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.’” How much more effective such laws are than those engraved on stone tablets!

Rom. 6:15-17: “Shall we commit a sin because we are not under law but under undeserved kindness? Never may that happen! Do you not know that if you keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view? But thanks to God that you were the slaves of sin but you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were handed over.” (See also Galatians5:18-24.)
[link to wol.jw.org]
 Quoting: chauchat


A covenant is an agreement. The OT was not replaced. It links with the NT. The new agreement is to accept Christ and follow his doctrine.

John 10:30 I and the father are one

If Jesus was the God of the OT also then his laws still apply.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law hasn't been fulfilled yet. Churches are deceiving people and teaching false doctrine.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.
"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus said he came to fulfill the law.
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But all 3 individuals make up one God. Therefore they are only different aspects. But the same person.

Read it more closely. "Until heaven and earth pass, not the smallest letter or least stroke of the pen shall disappear from the LAW until all is accomplished".

Heaven and Earth have not passed yet if you haven't noticed. Jesus only fulfilled the sacrifice required by God for mankind. If everything was fulfilled, he wouldn't be returning for a second time.
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.

 Quoting: Alexander The Great


God commanded those executions, it's written in the Law of Moses. Therefore, the executions are required by the Law of Moses. God commanded it. If nothing can go void, and you really do obey the Law of Moses, then you MUST execute those people.

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.
-- Numbers 15:35-36

God commanded the Israelites to keep the sabbaths, and God commanded the Israelites to execute any of them who broke the sabbath.

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
-- Exodus 31:13-14


So what you are saying contradicts itself. You can get rid of the laws about executing people while saying that you obey the old testament law. If you really obeyed the old testament law, you would be executing people, as commanded.

Christians don't execute people, because Christians aren't under old testament law, like the bible says repeatedly.
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I don't even know how anyone in there right mind can say he wasn't an Apostle, its pretty clear he is throughout the New Testament. So do you have another Apostle in mind who you are going to replace him with? i guess you anti-Paulians like to dissect and rewrite the whole New Testament not to bright, God does not look favorably on people who rewrite his Holy Book, bad idea.
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Must I believe in Paul to be saved?
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2 Timothy 3:14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe,+ knowing from what persons you learned them+ 15 and that from infancy+ you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation+ through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God*+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving,+ for setting things straight,*+ for disciplining+ in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent,+ completely equipped* for every good work.+

To trust what he says above might be essential, I would think.-Not because he says it, but because it's part of the inspired Scriptures that God can, and has, preserved for us.
 Quoting: chauchat


If God preserved the scriptures why did he do it in so many different translations?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36443586


Thats man's doing. The bible was written in Hebrew but Greek texts seem to be the more translated versions. Greek and Hebrew don't have the same meanings.

For example Jehovah, Yahweh etc isn't God's name. Satan was given power to change the names but he cannot tamper with the word of God (KJV is the only decent book available). And versions like the NIV bible are products from Satan. The NIV bible barely recognizes Jesus and the Son of God
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


In 1559, Pope Paul IV published the first index of books prohibited by the Roman Catholic Church. It forbade possession of Bible translations in Dutch, English, French, German, Italian, and Spanish, as well as some in Latin. Any who wanted to read the Bible were told to obtain written permission from bishops or inquisitors—not an appealing prospect for those who wanted to remain above suspicion of heresy.

People who dared to possess or distribute Bibles in the common languages of their region had to contend with the ire of the Catholic Church. Many were arrested, burned at the stake, roasted on spits, sentenced to life in prison, or sent to the galleys. Confiscated Bibles were burned. Indeed, Catholic priests continued to confiscate and burn Bibles well into the 20th century. [link to wol.jw.org]

Jehovah in the KJV

Gen.22[14] And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.Exod.6[3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.Exod.17[15] And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovah-nissi:Judg.6[24] Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovah-shalom: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites.Pss.83[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.Isa.12[2] Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.Isa.26[4] Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength
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Read it more closely. "Until heaven and earth pass, not the smallest letter or least stroke of the pen shall disappear from the LAW until all is accomplished".

Heaven and Earth have not passed yet if you haven't noticed. Jesus only fulfilled the sacrifice required by God for mankind. If everything was fulfilled, he wouldn't be returning for a second time.
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Maybe you should read it more closely. Jesus didn't say "not the smallest letter or least stroke of the pen shall disappear from the LAW (EXCEPT FOR THE SACRIFICES AND EXECUTIONS AND ANYTHING ELSE "ALEXANDER THE GREAT" FINDS IT INCONVENIENT TO OBEY)"

Stop contradicting yourself! If the sacrifices and executions are gone, then EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FULFILLED.
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Paul is referring to punishing people for sins is done away with. Not God's commandments. Under the mosaic law if someone broke a commandment, they were killed. If God's word is eternal, then nothing he says can go void. Therefore you still must abide by his laws.

 Quoting: Alexander The Great


God commanded those executions, it's written in the Law of Moses. Therefore, the executions are required by the Law of Moses. God commanded it. If nothing can go void, and you really do obey the Law of Moses, then you MUST execute those people.

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.
-- Numbers 15:35-36

God commanded the Israelites to keep the sabbaths, and God commanded the Israelites to execute any of them who broke the sabbath.

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
-- Exodus 31:13-14


So what you are saying contradicts itself. You can get rid of the laws about executing people while saying that you obey the old testament law. If you really obeyed the old testament law, you would be executing people, as commanded.

Christians don't execute people, because Christians aren't under old testament law, like the bible says repeatedly.
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Wrong wrong and wrong. Condemning people for sins was abolished. We now have grace. The new covenant replaces death with grace. God's commandments still apply though. Meaning no homosexuals, idolatry, prostitutes etc.

If you're not under a law, why did Paul quote from it and tell you who won't inherit the kingdom of God ?

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal. 5:19-21).

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9,10)

Those references are all from the mosaic law. Sin is sin, God does not abolish sin
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2 Timothy 3:14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe,+ knowing from what persons you learned them+ 15 and that from infancy+ you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation+ through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God*+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving,+ for setting things straight,*+ for disciplining+ in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent,+ completely equipped* for every good work.+

To trust what he says above might be essential, I would think.-Not because he says it, but because it's part of the inspired Scriptures that God can, and has, preserved for us.
 Quoting: chauchat


If God preserved the scriptures why did he do it in so many different translations?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36443586


Thats man's doing. The bible was written in Hebrew but Greek texts seem to be the more translated versions. Greek and Hebrew don't have the same meanings.

For example Jehovah, Yahweh etc isn't God's name. Satan was given power to change the names but he cannot tamper with the word of God (KJV is the only decent book available). And versions like the NIV bible are products from Satan. The NIV bible barely recognizes Jesus and the Son of God
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


In 1559, Pope Paul IV published the first index of books prohibited by the Roman Catholic Church. It forbade possession of Bible translations in Dutch, English, French, German, Italian, and Spanish, as well as some in Latin. Any who wanted to read the Bible were told to obtain written permission from bishops or inquisitors—not an appealing prospect for those who wanted to remain above suspicion of heresy.

People who dared to possess or distribute Bibles in the common languages of their region had to contend with the ire of the Catholic Church. Many were arrested, burned at the stake, roasted on spits, sentenced to life in prison, or sent to the galleys. Confiscated Bibles were burned. Indeed, Catholic priests continued to confiscate and burn Bibles well into the 20th century. [link to wol.jw.org]

Jehovah in the KJV

Gen.22[14] And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.Exod.6[3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.Exod.17[15] And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovah-nissi:Judg.6[24] Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovah-shalom: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites.Pss.83[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.Isa.12[2] Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.Isa.26[4] Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength
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1943

hovah: a ruin, disaster
Original Word: הֹוָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: hovah
Phonetic Spelling: (ho-vaw')
Short Definition: disaster

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Yah (Jah): Lord
Original Word: יָהּ
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yah
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw)
Short Definition: LORD

Put it together, Jehovah is the God of disaster or ruin. If you're familiar with the Jesuits, some even admit Jehovah and yahweh are Satan's names.
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Re: The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!
Read it more closely. "Until heaven and earth pass, not the smallest letter or least stroke of the pen shall disappear from the LAW until all is accomplished".

Heaven and Earth have not passed yet if you haven't noticed. Jesus only fulfilled the sacrifice required by God for mankind. If everything was fulfilled, he wouldn't be returning for a second time.
 Quoting: Alexander The Great


Maybe you should read it more closely. Jesus didn't say "not the smallest letter or least stroke of the pen shall disappear from the LAW (EXCEPT FOR THE SACRIFICES AND EXECUTIONS AND ANYTHING ELSE "ALEXANDER THE GREAT" FINDS IT INCONVENIENT TO OBEY)"

Stop contradicting yourself! If the sacrifices and executions are gone, then EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FULFILLED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45431181


Jesus was the final sacrifice. I don't know what part of that you don't understand. If everythings been fulfilled, why haven't heaven and earth passed away like Jesus said it would ?

You're a moron who keeps finding excuses.

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