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The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!

 
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The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!

He was Satan In The Flesh! An Antichrist!

Matthew 24:4-5 states you will be deceived by people that come using Jesus’ name. Consider the parable of the sower. Jesus was warning us then that as soon as His Gospel was preached, the enemy (Paul) would be there to steal the truth!


***The real (untranslated) name of Jesus is Y'hoshua (pronounced like the name Joshua but with a Y, YoHoshua, some pronounce his name as Yeshua). All refer to the Son of God who came as the promised Messiah who died on the cross for our sins and rose again.

Now before you throw a tantrum and wonder why I haven't been struck by lightening straight from the throne room of God, I can prove to you that Paul was a Fraud using his own words. Of course, if you're a female, and you're in the ministry, you already know he was, you probably just didn't realize it! For to be a female and in the ministry of the Lord, you had to turn your back on Paul to follow Jesus. Congrats! You figured it out! You refused to buy into the lie pie Satan tried to sell you as Paul!

I'm going to make some startling points to wake your mind up into the truth, so hear me out, then I'll go through and explain each one and give you all the proof you need to see for yourself that what I'm saying is indeed the truth.

Paul was Satan in the Flesh

Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the Disciples OR Jesus

Paul was never trained by the disciples, the men who walked, talked, and broke bread with our Saviour. He received his knowledge from "revelations."

Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, thus the disciples knew he was lying.

Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the Father

Paul declared he himself was the son of God

Paul issued his own commandments and laws for people to adhere to

Paul taught the exact Opposite of what Jesus and His real disciples did.

Paul worked to destroy and undo everything Jesus and His disciples did and were doing.

Paul was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He boasted about it! Over and Over!

Paul said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said it was a blessing. Who's lying?

Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.

Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21), Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21.

In 1 Corinthians 15:1 Paul says that he was not giving them anything but what “he preached.” He explained this even further in the second book (or letter) to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11:17). It reads - “That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.” He's telling you plain and simple he was speaking of himself and not from or of the Lord!"

Paul cursed Jesus and His disciples

Paul claimed he himself was the son of God

Paul Supported and demanded Adherence to Iniquity (Discrimination), Jesus said to not let it be found among us! Who's lying?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 510799


WAKE THE HELL UP, BLIND FREDDY KNOWS we are in the last days and STRONG DELUSION [CAPTURES] those that NO LONGER HAVE A LOVE FOR [THE TRUTH]!!

DECEPTION is.......... 90% truth and 10% a lie, but still a [lie]Jesus made the statement, "have i not chosen 12 of you and [ONE] IS THE DEVIL"????

[Judas] WAS [THE ONE] that betrayed Jesus Christ, NOT PAUL!! of course YOU WERE THERE RIGHT???? get such nonsense out of your life and SEEK God's face now, because at present YOU ARE BEING [DECEIVED]!!
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The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 510799


You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

Michael
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Didn't forget so much as, I'm sure like most folk including myself, had no idea.

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Keep on flogging though man. One day, once we can all truly understand Paul's role, we'll be sure to come to the realization of the truth of yours.
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Paul's role: To pervert the Teaching of Jesus as much as possible in order to make it easily commensurable with Roman idolatry (Jesus is 'God') and pagan metaphysics ('soul', 'heaven', 'hell'); without which no one would ever even have heard of Jesus; retaining the general outlines of the story but NONE of his secret Teaching.

My role: To unseal Revelations that have been "secret and sealed" for thousands of years, in fulfillment of the Prophecy in Chapter 12, verse 9 of the Book of Daniel.

Michael
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OP,

Please QUOTE some examples of what you say is Paul's "Satanic deception."
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I would direct you, first, to Chapter 2, verses 16-18 of Paul's second letter to Timothy:

"Have nothing to do with pointless philosophical discussions--they only lead further and further away from the true religion. Talk of this kind corrodes like gangrene, as in the case of Hymenaeus and Phlietus, the men who have gone right away from the truth and claim that the resurrection has already taken place...

This is a flagrant contradiction of Chapter 27, verses 52-53 of the Gospel of Matthew, which is a figurative description of the revelation of the memories of previous lives--i.e., "the resurrection"--received by some of the immediate followers of Jesus.

So, for these immediate followers of Jesus, "the resurrection" had "already taken place".

Oh, by the way, the "pointless philosophical discussion" was over whether "the resurrection" is the Egyptian 'god of the dead' doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave--the position taken by Pharisee Paul--or whether it was related to memories of previous lives.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


You are incapable of clearly telling me in one simple sentence or two exactly what Paul said that is "satanic deception."
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In his reply to the Sadducees, Jesus specifically repudiates any ('god of the dead'--see Chapter 20, verse 38 of the Gospel of Luke) doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

Paul affirms the 'truth' of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

Can't get much simpler than that.

Michael
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The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!

He was Satan In The Flesh! An Antichrist!

Matthew 24:4-5 states you will be deceived by people that come using Jesus’ name. Consider the parable of the sower. Jesus was warning us then that as soon as His Gospel was preached, the enemy (Paul) would be there to steal the truth!


***The real (untranslated) name of Jesus is Y'hoshua (pronounced like the name Joshua but with a Y, YoHoshua, some pronounce his name as Yeshua). All refer to the Son of God who came as the promised Messiah who died on the cross for our sins and rose again.

Now before you throw a tantrum and wonder why I haven't been struck by lightening straight from the throne room of God, I can prove to you that Paul was a Fraud using his own words. Of course, if you're a female, and you're in the ministry, you already know he was, you probably just didn't realize it! For to be a female and in the ministry of the Lord, you had to turn your back on Paul to follow Jesus. Congrats! You figured it out! You refused to buy into the lie pie Satan tried to sell you as Paul!

I'm going to make some startling points to wake your mind up into the truth, so hear me out, then I'll go through and explain each one and give you all the proof you need to see for yourself that what I'm saying is indeed the truth.

Paul was Satan in the Flesh

Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the Disciples OR Jesus

Paul was never trained by the disciples, the men who walked, talked, and broke bread with our Saviour. He received his knowledge from "revelations."

Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, thus the disciples knew he was lying.

Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the Father

Paul declared he himself was the son of God

Paul issued his own commandments and laws for people to adhere to

Paul taught the exact Opposite of what Jesus and His real disciples did.

Paul worked to destroy and undo everything Jesus and His disciples did and were doing.

Paul was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He boasted about it! Over and Over!

Paul said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said it was a blessing. Who's lying?

Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.

Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21), Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21.

In 1 Corinthians 15:1 Paul says that he was not giving them anything but what “he preached.” He explained this even further in the second book (or letter) to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11:17). It reads - “That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.” He's telling you plain and simple he was speaking of himself and not from or of the Lord!"

Paul cursed Jesus and His disciples

Paul claimed he himself was the son of God

Paul Supported and demanded Adherence to Iniquity (Discrimination), Jesus said to not let it be found among us! Who's lying?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 510799


You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Paul taught physical resurrection from the grave because that is what Jesus taught.


Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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(Sigh)

That is NOT a doctrine.

It is reference to the physical raising of Jesus from the grave.

Neither is there any doctrine of "changing water into wine"; nor any doctrine of "walking on water"; nor any doctrine of "multiplying loaves and fishes".

Get it?

In any case, you do NOT understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.

I could walk you through that reply statement by statement, but I seriously doubt you would be interested in knowing in detail why you are wrong.

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You are giving me a headache. Why the hell would anyone be obsessed with crap?
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God is not retarded and unable to watch over His word. The bible would be utterly corrupted and useless if what OP said were true. It isn't.
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Why are there several versions of the Bible right now?
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You are giving me a headache. Why the hell would anyone be obsessed with ****?
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Why?

Because this **** is at the very foundation of the perverse and Satanic theologies--Jewish, Christian and Muslim--which are pushing this civilization into the horrors of the "time of trouble" Prophesied in Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel.

You are seeing the effects of the Satanic doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave in the slaughter of both Christians and Muslims in Egypt and Syria.

Michael (not coincidentally)
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Don't throw tomato at St. Paul.

What say you about his miracles? He is no "deception."
Paul was hand picked by Our Lord Himself.

Acts 19:11-12
And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. [12] So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the wicked spirits went out of them
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...that is your sole purpose for existence- worshipping yourself.
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Yours is the classic response of every enemy of the Truth.

Shift the focus from the Message to the messenger.

This is precisely what happened to the Teaching of Jesus.

It became a teaching about Jesus; about Jesus being 'God'; about Jesus 'dying for your sins'.

But his Teaching was about the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; which is the reason he was murdered.

Walk me through the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees in order to demonstrate that the Christian theologians are correct in their interpretation.

You can't do it.

You will prolly run away like every other cowardly Christian who I have asked to explain that reply.

Michael
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Don't throw tomato at St. Paul.

What say you about his miracles?
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"...lying wonders to deceive, if it were possible, even the very elect."

Who said that?

Michael
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OP,

Please QUOTE some examples of what you say is Paul's "Satanic deception."

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Too bad OP has neglected you but in defense there is a mountain of evidence that points to this deception. I would suggest doing your own homework. In the meantime Paul is on record as stating three times at length how it is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols when that practice was one of the few things the original Apostles specifically forbade to the newly converted.
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I've done 33 years worth of homework?

Quotes of Paul's "Satanic deceptions," please?

Idol meat? Really, that's the best you got, Mr. Inquisitor?
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You could study for 666 years and never wise up as long as you're convinced beforehand Paul speaks for God. It's no wonder you're not at all impressed by Paul teaching a direct contradiction of what the authentic Apostles had decided.

Speaking of Inquisitors you do realize it wasn't that long ago the Church would have tortured and murdered anyone who would have dared to publicly cast doubt about Paul's writings and authority. You do understand that, right?
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OP,

Please QUOTE some examples of what you say is Paul's "Satanic deception."

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Too bad OP has neglected you but in defense there is a mountain of evidence that points to this deception. I would suggest doing your own homework. In the meantime Paul is on record as stating three times at length how it is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols when that practice was one of the few things the original Apostles specifically forbade to the newly converted.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic

I've done 33 years worth of homework?

Quotes of Paul's "Satanic deceptions," please?

Idol meat? Really, that's the best you got, Mr. Inquisitor?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33325836


You could study for 666 years and never wise up as long as you're convinced beforehand Paul speaks for God. It's no wonder you're not at all impressed by Paul teaching a direct contradiction of what the authentic Apostles had decided.

Speaking of Inquisitors you do realize it wasn't that long ago the Church would have tortured and murdered anyone who would have dared to publicly cast doubt about Paul's writings and authority. You do understand that, right?
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


But 'Paul' has metastasized into both Judaism and Islam.

Look at Maimonides, who wrote Mishneh Torah (the Second Torah)--the very name of which is an arrogant blasphemy.

In that diatribe, he re-interpreted the Revelations in accordance with pagan metaphysical philosophy; and how many hundreds of thousands of Jews today take his pagan metaphysical interpretation of the Revelations as a replacement for the Revelations?

And, not surprisingly, he also believed the Egyptian 'god of the dead' doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

Don't know the specific names of those who have perverted the Revelations in the Quran in the same direction.

Michael

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The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!

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You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529
Didn't forget so much as, I'm sure like most folk including myself, had no idea.

................Michael-v
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Egyptain gods story-^

Keep on flogging though man. One day, once we can all truly understand Paul's role, we'll be sure to come to the realization of the truth of yours.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Paul's role: To pervert the Teaching of Jesus as much as possible in order to make it easily commensurable with Roman idolatry (Jesus is 'God') and pagan metaphysics ('soul', 'heaven', 'hell'); without which no one would ever even have heard of Jesus; retaining the general outlines of the story but NONE of his secret Teaching.

My role: To unseal Revelations that have been "secret and sealed" for thousands of years, in fulfillment of the Prophecy in Chapter 12, verse 9 of the Book of Daniel.

Michael
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It amused me to play around with that smiley and I had hoped it would crack a smile from you even though I know you are dead serious.

No offense intended
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Don't throw tomato at St. Paul.

What say you about his miracles? He is no "deception."
Paul was hand picked by Our Lord Himself.

Acts 19:11-12
And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. [12] So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the wicked spirits went out of them

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bump
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You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

Michael
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Didn't forget so much as, I'm sure like most folk including myself, had no idea.

................Michael-v
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Egyptain gods story-^

Keep on flogging though man. One day, once we can all truly understand Paul's role, we'll be sure to come to the realization of the truth of yours.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Paul's role: To pervert the Teaching of Jesus as much as possible in order to make it easily commensurable with Roman idolatry (Jesus is 'God') and pagan metaphysics ('soul', 'heaven', 'hell'); without which no one would ever even have heard of Jesus; retaining the general outlines of the story but NONE of his secret Teaching.

My role: To unseal Revelations that have been "secret and sealed" for thousands of years, in fulfillment of the Prophecy in Chapter 12, verse 9 of the Book of Daniel.

Michael
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It amused me to play around with that smiley and I had hoped it would crack a smile from you even though I know you are dead serious.

No offense intended
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


"No offense intended"????

Not at all.

It was really quite endearing.

My wife and I were both amused.

By the way, I'm usually the donkey in that smiley...

Being surrounded by Christians.

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God is not retarded and unable to watch over His word. The bible would be utterly corrupted and useless if what OP said were true. It isn't.
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Why are there several versions of the Bible right now?
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Actually there's only two, Antioch and Alexandria.

Antioch is the real deal, Alexandria is what most of the worlds wannabe Christians follow, it's totally perverted.

Here's a fast look into the subject:
[link to www.bereanresearchinstitute.com]
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Don't throw tomato at St. Paul.

What say you about his miracles? He is no "deception."
Paul was hand picked by Our Lord Himself.

Acts 19:11-12
And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. [12] So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the wicked spirits went out of them

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bump
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None these muppets are deceived, doesn't matter what you say, they do not listen to logic and the believe in a powerless god that was defeated by the devil even with his own Scriptures. He couldn't keep anything pure.

Also these muppets desire to be under the law, having not understood the purpose of the law. But hey when you're a deceived moran like these you're a deceived moran.

Can't help those, they're just brute beasts.
You can try praying about it, nothing will happen, they're not getting saved they've already crossed the line, they're smoked. Maybe in a million of these get saved, maybe.
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Don't throw tomato at St. Paul.

What say you about his miracles? He is no "deception."
Paul was hand picked by Our Lord Himself.

Acts 19:11-12
And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. [12] So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the wicked spirits went out of them

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 523408


bump
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None these muppets are deceived, doesn't matter what you say, they do not listen to logic...
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Provide a logical, sensible explanation of each of the statements of Jesus in his reply to the Sadducees and explain how it relates to the whole argument.

That's all I ask.

Michael
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God is not retarded and unable to watch over His word. The bible would be utterly corrupted and useless if what OP said were true. It isn't.
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Why are there several versions of the Bible right now?
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Actually there's only two, Antioch and Alexandria.

Antioch is the real deal, Alexandria is what most of the worlds wannabe Christians follow, it's totally perverted.

Here's a fast look into the subject:
[link to www.bereanresearchinstitute.com]
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So it would seem that God can not provide us with His word.
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Here's my take about Paul. Paul was commissioned to speak to the Gentiles. Though Yahshuah said Paul was his vessel to the Gentile and the Hebrew Israelites, Paul's audience has always been for the Gentile converts.

With that said, I find real problems with Paul's teaching on doing the Covenant. He teach to the Gentiles that following the Covenant is not necessary when Yahshuah died for your sins and that, if you do follow the Covenant then you have to do all that's required of the Covenant.

Now two problems with that. As a Hebrew Israelite, I know the Covenant is never to be done away with. That is an agreement made between Yah and our forefather Abraham, and the descendants forever. It can be changed and remodeled but only by Yah.

And it is the very reason why the descendants of the Hebrew Israelites were slaved in America and are still here today, because of our forefather breaking the Covenant with Yah.

So, with the curse of Deuteronomy 28:15-68 still in affect in this day and age, how could Paul think the Covenant can be done away with since Yahshuah died for our sins?? The curses is still kicking our ass! I know every Black man and woman can testify to that!

Yahshuah didn't come to destroy the Law. He came to fulfill it. And the Law is with the Covenant. So, again, as a Hebrew Israelite and in light of the situation I laid out, I come to this:

The Hebrew Israelite are, and to be, a set-apart people from the Gentile Nation (Caucasian/Europeans). It is NOT for the Hebrew Israelites to follow Paul but for the Gentile Nations to do so.

The Hebrew Israelites keel the Torah,

1. The Ten acommandment

2. The Laws and Instruction

3. The Sabbath Day

4. The Covenant which encompasses the 3.





Shalom
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I hope the impulse I have to post this to you is not counterproductive somehow, as the impulse feels almost irresistable to me. 'Counterproductive' would be if you feel insulted, which is not my intention. I was looking up Abrahamic covenant [and not for the 1st time,b/c this issue keeps coming up] and happened to notice this [again] :

Galations 4:21 Tell me, YOU who want to be under law,+ Do YOU not hear the Law?+ 22 For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl+ and one by the free woman;+ 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh,+ the other by the free woman through a promise.+ 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama;*+ for these [women] mean two covenants,+ the one from Mount Sinai,+ which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar means Sinai,+ a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery+ with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem+ above is free, and she is our mother.+

27 For it is written: “Be glad, you barren woman who does not give birth; break out and cry aloud, you woman who does not have childbirth pains; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than [those] of her who has the husband.”+ 28 Now we, brothers, are children belonging to the promise the same as Isaac was.+ 29 But just as then the one born in the manner of flesh began persecuting+ the one born in the manner of spirit, so also now.+ 30 Nevertheless, what does the Scripture say? “Drive out the servant girl and her son, for by no means shall the son of the servant girl be an heir with the son of the free woman.”+ 31 Wherefore, brothers, we are children, not of a servant girl,+ but of the free woman.+

Personally, not saying you or anyone excluded, but possibly included? 1dunno1

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Don't throw tomato at St. Paul.

What say you about his miracles? He is no "deception."
Paul was hand picked by Our Lord Himself.

Acts 19:11-12
And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. [12] So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the wicked spirits went out of them

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None these muppets are deceived, doesn't matter what you say, they do not listen to logic...
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Provide a logical, sensible explanation of each of the statements of Jesus in his reply to the Sadducees and explain how it relates to the whole argument.

That's all I ask.

Michael
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Still waiting for your reply, -GLP-Christian-.

Explain the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.

I suspect Jesus will get here before you will be able to answer this question.

Michael
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OP,

Please QUOTE some examples of what you say is Paul's "Satanic deception."

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Too bad OP has neglected you but in defense there is a mountain of evidence that points to this deception. I would suggest doing your own homework. In the meantime Paul is on record as stating three times at length how it is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols when that practice was one of the few things the original Apostles specifically forbade to the newly converted.
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I've done 33 years worth of homework?

Quotes of Paul's "Satanic deceptions," please?

Idol meat? Really, that's the best you got, Mr. Inquisitor?
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You could study for 666 years and never wise up as long as you're convinced beforehand Paul speaks for God. It's no wonder you're not at all impressed by Paul teaching a direct contradiction of what the authentic Apostles had decided.

Speaking of Inquisitors you do realize it wasn't that long ago the Church would have tortured and murdered anyone who would have dared to publicly cast doubt about Paul's writings and authority. You do understand that, right?
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Acts 15 And certain men came down from Ju·dea+ and began to teach the brothers: “Unless YOU get circumcised+ according to the custom of Moses,+ YOU cannot be saved.” 2 But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barna·bas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barna·bas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men* in Jerusalem+ regarding this dispute.

3 Accordingly, after being conducted partway by the congregation,+ these men continued on their way through both Phoe·nicia and Sa·mari·a, relating in detail the conversion* of people of the nations,+ and they were causing great joy to all the brothers.+ 4 On arriving in Jerusalem they were kindly received+ by the congregation and the apostles and the older men, and they recounted the many things God had done by means of them.+ 5 Yet, some of those of the sect of the Pharisees that had believed rose up from their seats and said: “It is necessary to circumcise them+ and charge them to observe the law of Moses.”+

6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair.+ 7 Now when much disputing+ had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: “Men, brothers, YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe;+ 8 and God, who knows the heart,+ bore witness by giving them the holy spirit,+ just as he did to us also. 9 And he made no distinction at all between us and them,+ but purified their hearts by faith.+ 10 Now, therefore, why are YOU making a test of God by imposing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke+ that neither our forefathers nor we were capable of bearing?+ 11 On the contrary, we trust to get saved through the undeserved kindness+ of the Lord Jesus in the same way as those people also.”+

12 At that the entire multitude became silent, and they began to listen to Barna·bas and Paul relate the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations.+ 13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me.+ 14 Syme·on*+ has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.+ 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth* of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again,+ 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah,* together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name,* says Jehovah,* who is doing these things,+ 18 known from of old.’*+ 19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God,+ 20 but to write them to abstain* from things polluted by idols+ and from fornication*+ and from what is strangled*+ and from blood.*+

Inquisition was to terrorize ppl into not publishing/reading
the scriptures, including Paul's writings.
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Re: The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!
Did Paul go to Jerusalem from Damascus immediately after his conversion?

NO

Acts 9:26-31
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26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.

YES

Galatians 1:16-17
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16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
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Were the men with Paul knocked to the ground?

NO, They Remained Standing

Acts 9:7
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7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.


YES, They Fell To The Ground

Acts 26:14
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14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
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1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature herself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Ladies and gentlemen, was the judge Samson a shame unto the Lord?
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Ok.....seriously????

Did Paul visit all of the disciples when he went to Jerusalem after his conversion?

YES

Acts 9:26-28KJV
And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.

NO, ONLY PETER AND JAMES

Galatians 1:18-19
Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
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DID Paul see Jesus on the road to Damascus? Simple question right?

YES

1 Corinthians 9:1-2 KJV
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

NO
Acts 9:7 KJV
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 9:8 KJV
And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

1 Corinthians 15:8-9

8 And last of all he (JESUS) was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
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If the reader here were an Ezekiel 36 Born-Again, he/she would See in their heart God's Witness in St. Paul's epistles.

He is a wordy guy though, that is for sure.


As a Born-Again, I don't read Scripture too often. Anything I want to KNOW Of-God, I ask HIM...

St. Paul is no deceiver and nor does he serve anyone other than The Blessed Trinity.


The Gospel is where the action is. John's First Epistle likewise Gives Strong and Elaborated Witness of The Born-Again Life. Paul gives much the same Witness, albeit very succinctly and almost as an aside.


What matters if you are a Christian is your response to Father-God's Call upon your heart.
Have you made your surrender and given HIM dominion over every aspect of your life? Until you do so, and are Born-Again IN-HIM, you will KNOW nothing of HIM or Scripture. Become Born-Again IN-HIM and you will Know Paul as the Christian Brother he is...


maranatha!!!
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Give me PROOF you Paul supporters, that he WAS NOT a liar! This yes/no CRAP indicates to ME personally that Paul LIED. And, you do know what happens to liars right?

Revelation 21:8
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8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You can't have it both ways, PAUL!!!
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Liars.

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