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The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!

 
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DID Paul see Jesus on the road to Damascus? Simple question right?

YES

1 Corinthians 9:1-2 KJV
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

NO
Acts 9:7 KJV
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 9:8 KJV
And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

1 Corinthians 15:8-9

8 And last of all he (JESUS) was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
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Did Paul see Jesus or the men traveling? It says the men only heard.
Nice try.

As for your second example, even a dumbass with minimal reading comprehension can see that Paul was blinded and had to be led by others.
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
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DID Paul see Jesus on the road to Damascus? Simple question right?

YES

1 Corinthians 9:1-2 KJV
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

NO
Acts 9:7 KJV
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 9:8 KJV
And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

1 Corinthians 15:8-9

8 And last of all he (JESUS) was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645


Did Paul see Jesus or the men traveling? It says the men only heard.
Nice try.

As for your second example, even a dumbass with minimal reading comprehension can see that Paul was blinded and had to be led by others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752

He seen NO ONE. He was with MEN and what does Acts 9:7 say? THEY which journeyed WITH PAUL seen WHO? NO MAN! So when Paul AROSE who did he see? He saw NO MAN (JESUS!) But of course he seen THEY which journeyed WITH HIM!

This is in DIRECT CONTRAST to what PAUL HIMSELF SAYS in 1 Corinthians 9:1-2!

In 1 Corinthians 9:1-2, Paul tells us he has seen our Lord Jesus Christ. But we are told a different story in Acts now, aren't we? For, he SEEN NO MAN. The MAN WAS JESUS! AND PAUL DIDN'T SEE HIM!
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
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Peter was not the author of 2 Peter
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752

Peter was not the author of 2 Peter
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645

Most likely Paul the liar striking again. There's no proof Peter was the author of 2 Peter which differs from 1 Peter.
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752

Peter was not the author of 2 Peter
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645

Most likely Paul the liar striking again. There's no proof Peter was the author of 2 Peter which differs from 1 Peter.
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cruise

Idiots making up their own "truth".
Here is a verse you should pay careful attention to.

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752

Peter was not the author of 2 Peter
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645

Most likely Paul the liar striking again. There's no proof Peter was the author of 2 Peter which differs from 1 Peter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645


cruise

Idiots making up their own "truth".
Here is a verse you should pay careful attention to.

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752

I really don't know if you can read or not. You have said "dumbass" and "idiot." That's not respectful at all. Besides that, I've quoted scripture directly, and can point on when Paul says he SEEN JESUS and when Paul says HE SEEN NO ONE.

I can also go on the good 'ol internet and find out what respected theologians and folks who have studied intensely the authorship of the scriptures have to say about them. Just because it says 2 Peter doesn't mean Peter wrote it at all. And so you rely on 2 Peter, which doesn't hold up to 1 Peter, as proof of Paul's merit as a person of the Lord?

What about the things that came out of Paul's very own mouth? What about the yes/no's? What about how he said he seen Jesus and then said he didn't? What about when he said he went to Jerusalem and met with all the apostles and then said he didn't go but when he did not see all the apostles?

Like I said, can't have it both ways Paul! And Michael and Raymantheheretic are posting links (page 5 or 6) that you can go read to further your education on the word of GOD. Is Paul GOD? NO. Did Paul have a revelation of Christ? He says so. Did he see Christ? He said he didn't and no one around him seen Him either, but then later he said he did. Who's lying? not me! I'm just pointing out what PAUL SAID!
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Re: The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!
Scumbag carnal-hearts will find ANY Reason to reject witness. Scumbag is an apt term for any carnal-heart. Were you Born-Again per Ezekiel 36:26-27 you would have A New Heart Of God's Flesh and KNOW beyond doubt how wretched you were; even at your most pious best.

26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


No Experience of Being Given God's Heart Of Flesh? What the fuck do you think you KNOW or can even imagine?

There is a good word for you to chafe over, you miserable shit.

I Know the carnality God Delivered me from. Until you KNOW in your New Heart that even your best efforts at piety and WWJD were flawed in their hideous rationalization, you Know nothing!


Argue The Scriptures w/o Knowing Them Through HIS New Heart?
Pity that you reject The Witness of Christ and Father's Call.

Might consider that Jesus Witnesses in Matt 7 & Luke 13 that those HE Does Not Know will be turned away. In Matt 22, Parable of The King's Wedding Feast For HIS SON, those w/o a Wedding Garment (Born-Again Heart) are tied up and ejected from The Wedding Feast. "For many are called, but few are chosen" Matt 22:14

The "choice" Jesus Witnesses of is yours.
You must decide if you can Trust God Fully with your life and then take action, giving Control of your life Unto The Father. Jesus Witnesses HE IS THE WAY Unto The Father... HE Only KNOWS those who Do MY Father's Will... Until HE Gives you A New Heart, you are apart and unknown.

Were you Surrendered Unto The Father, you would Know Paul and all other matters because as John Witnesses, "Because you have an Unction From The Holy One and Know All Things".


Your wretchedness is all too plain.
Only Father Can Deliver you from your carnal stink which you currently have no recognition of. It is a putrid affront and should you ever Come Unto The Father, you will Know and Understand...
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Too bad OP has neglected you but in defense there is a mountain of evidence that points to this deception. I would suggest doing your own homework. In the meantime Paul is on record as stating three times at length how it is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols when that practice was one of the few things the original Apostles specifically forbade to the newly converted.
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I've done 33 years worth of homework?

Quotes of Paul's "Satanic deceptions," please?

Idol meat? Really, that's the best you got, Mr. Inquisitor?
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You could study for 666 years and never wise up as long as you're convinced beforehand Paul speaks for God. It's no wonder you're not at all impressed by Paul teaching a direct contradiction of what the authentic Apostles had decided.

Speaking of Inquisitors you do realize it wasn't that long ago the Church would have tortured and murdered anyone who would have dared to publicly cast doubt about Paul's writings and authority. You do understand that, right?
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Acts 15 And certain men came down from Ju·dea+ and began to teach the brothers: “Unless YOU get circumcised+ according to the custom of Moses,+ YOU cannot be saved.” 2 But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barna·bas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barna·bas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men* in Jerusalem+ regarding this dispute.

3 Accordingly, after being conducted partway by the congregation,+ these men continued on their way through both Phoe·nicia and Sa·mari·a, relating in detail the conversion* of people of the nations,+ and they were causing great joy to all the brothers.+ 4 On arriving in Jerusalem they were kindly received+ by the congregation and the apostles and the older men, and they recounted the many things God had done by means of them.+ 5 Yet, some of those of the sect of the Pharisees that had believed rose up from their seats and said: “It is necessary to circumcise them+ and charge them to observe the law of Moses.”+

6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair.+ 7 Now when much disputing+ had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: “Men, brothers, YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe;+ 8 and God, who knows the heart,+ bore witness by giving them the holy spirit,+ just as he did to us also. 9 And he made no distinction at all between us and them,+ but purified their hearts by faith.+ 10 Now, therefore, why are YOU making a test of God by imposing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke+ that neither our forefathers nor we were capable of bearing?+ 11 On the contrary, we trust to get saved through the undeserved kindness+ of the Lord Jesus in the same way as those people also.”+

12 At that the entire multitude became silent, and they began to listen to Barna·bas and Paul relate the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations.+ 13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me.+ 14 Syme·on*+ has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.+ 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth* of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again,+ 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah,* together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name,* says Jehovah,* who is doing these things,+ 18 known from of old.’*+ 19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God,+ 20 but to write them to abstain* from things polluted by idols+ and from fornication*+ and from what is strangled*+ and from blood.*+

Inquisition was to terrorize ppl into not publishing/reading
the scriptures, including Paul's writings.

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Dear Smokey chuchuchat,

First; I could do without all the +s and *s. Their liberal usage appears to be random and whenever I see an asterisk I expect some sort of reference or explanation about their use. Bold text is okay but please get to the point.

Second and last; A fairly massive Bible quote to a brief reply of mine that wasn't directed to you seems quite inappropriate when you won't even show the courtesy of acknowledging a rather thorough reply written by me specifically to you.

In other words- try blowing smoke in the ear of someone else.

p.s.
Inquisition was to terrorize ppl into not publishing/reading
the scriptures, including Paul's writings.

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Gee golly, that makes things all better 1dunno1
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"No offense intended"????

Michael
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Eh, while I didn't expect a post from you about it, when one did come somewhat delayed and a bit out of sequence I began to have some doubts whether my intention had been received in the spirit it was given. Glad to know I was completely wrong.
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DID Paul see Jesus on the road to Damascus? Simple question right?

YES

1 Corinthians 9:1-2 KJV
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

NO
Acts 9:7 KJV
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 9:8 KJV
And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

1 Corinthians 15:8-9

8 And last of all he (JESUS) was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645


Did Paul see Jesus or the men traveling? It says the men only heard.
Nice try.

As for your second example, even a dumbass with minimal reading comprehension can see that Paul was blinded and had to be led by others.
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He seen NO ONE. He was with MEN and what does Acts 9:7 say? THEY which journeyed WITH PAUL seen WHO? NO MAN! So when Paul AROSE who did he see? He saw NO MAN (JESUS!) But of course he seen THEY which journeyed WITH HIM!

This is in DIRECT CONTRAST to what PAUL HIMSELF SAYS in 1 Corinthians 9:1-2!

In 1 Corinthians 9:1-2, Paul tells us he has seen our Lord Jesus Christ. But we are told a different story in Acts now, aren't we? For, he SEEN NO MAN. The MAN WAS JESUS! AND PAUL DIDN'T SEE HIM!
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Acts 9:8
And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

Please tell me why they led him by the hand?
He was blinded.
In which case, what is the Holy Spirit telling us when it is written
"and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man:"

He cannot have his eyes open and be blind in the same verse unless one means something that you do not yet understand.
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752


See Acts 9:15-15, Jesus said that He chose Paul.

See Acts 13:2, the Holy Spirit said that He chose Paul.

See Acts 15:22, Acts 15:25, all the apostles approved of Paul and agreed with what Paul said.

Anybody who says Paul is a liar and wrong, is saying that Jesus is wrong, the Holy Spirit is wrong, all the apostles are wrong, and the bible is wrong.

Do these people really think that Christians will accept "The bible is wrong! Reject Jesus, the Holy Spirit, all the apostles, and the bible, and do what I say instead"? It's not going to work. Give it up.
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752


See Acts 9:15-15, Jesus said that He chose Paul.

See Acts 13:2, the Holy Spirit said that He chose Paul.

See Acts 15:22, Acts 15:25, all the apostles approved of Paul and agreed with what Paul said.

Anybody who says Paul is a liar and wrong, is saying that Jesus is wrong, the Holy Spirit is wrong, all the apostles are wrong, and the bible is wrong.

Do these people really think that Christians will accept "The bible is wrong! Reject Jesus, the Holy Spirit, all the apostles, and the bible, and do what I say instead"? It's not going to work. Give it up.
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No one here has said any such thing. Literally quite the opposite. Paul's very own letters proclaim we should trust no man, that we should follow Jesus. One of the few things Paul said that is fully trustworthy.

Paul doesn't speak for God. End of story

(I know it won't be of course)
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My role: To unseal Revelations that have been "secret and sealed" for thousands of years, in fulfillment of the Prophecy in Chapter 12, verse 9 of the Book of Daniel.

Michael
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Delusional masturbatory nonsense.
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You are incapable of clearly telling me in one simple sentence or two exactly what Paul said that is "satanic deception."
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In his reply to the Sadducees, Jesus specifically repudiates any ('god of the dead'--see Chapter 20, verse 38 of the Gospel of Luke) doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

Paul affirms the 'truth' of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave.
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This is your basis for accusing Paul of "Satanic deception"?!

Fortunately, you are accountable.
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"For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."


You impose your false ideas on this verse.

Praise yourself.
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God is not retarded and unable to watch over His word. The bible would be utterly corrupted and useless if what OP said were true. It isn't.
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Why are there several versions of the Bible right now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416114


Because there are slight differences in words between languages.

There are not different books proclaiming different messages.

Can you understand this?
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You are giving me a headache. Why the hell would anyone be obsessed with ****?
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Why?

Because this **** is at the very foundation of the perverse and Satanic theologies--Jewish, Christian and Muslim--which are pushing this civilization into the horrors of the "time of trouble" Prophesied in Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel.

You are seeing the effects of the Satanic doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave in the slaughter of both Christians and Muslims in Egypt and Syria.

Michael (not coincidentally)
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Don't worry though!

Have no fear.

The Great and Magnificent Super Michael is here to save humanity as the bearer of The Revealed Secret Truths!

He's Very, Very Important. He's Most Significant. He is the greatest mankind has to offer. It's a heavy burden, but somebody has to do it. Fortunately, Super Michael has no job or anything else to do, so he's got us covered.
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The Great and Magnificent Super Michael 4Q529 is so brilliant and important that he is the fulfillment of ancient prophesies! Do you realize how incredibly fortunate we are to have him here among mere us?

Oh Great Michael 4Q529, blessed be the womb that bore your holiness!
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4Q529 is only here to "accuse the brethren" and extol himself.
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...that is your sole purpose for existence- worshipping yourself.
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Yours is the classic response of every enemy of the Truth.
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Jesus Christ is Lord and you will kneel before Him.
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But his Teaching was about the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; which is the reason he was murdered.

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LIAR. DECEIVER.

Repeat it here another hundred times. Spout for the rest of your days.

Then tell Christ why he was wrong for not validating you.
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You will prolly run away like every other cowardly Christian who I have asked to explain that reply.
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We've gone through this before. You fled. There is no reasoning with you. You will hear nothing, yield nothing, admit nothing, change nothing, because you know everything and you are perfect. And unemployed. And a societal parasite.
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42022752

Peter was not the author of 2 Peter
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645

Most likely Paul the liar striking again. There's no proof Peter was the author of 2 Peter which differs from 1 Peter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36159645


The evidence points to 2 Peter being written after Peter's death. He definitely didn't write it, so why trust it? My biblical trust scale goes as follows:

John=revelation>Matthew=Mark>Luke>Acts>all else

John is most reliable, since the so called "synoptic gospels" were probably copied from notes taken from some other source. Revelations is reliable because it fits with the rest. Luke is the least reliable of the gospels because Luke was Paul's errand boy and travelling scribe (though he probably didn't write it). Acts was supposed to have been written by Luke, who was a close companion of Paul. All of the Paulian epistles are in question because Paul diverges from Jesus's teachings quite often and is a blowhard know it all. And he was a scamming Jew, a Pharisee, so he likely was just using Christianity as a weapon against Rome.
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Re: The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!

You can't do it.
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How many hundreds of times have you posted that here already?

You ego is so frustrated in the totality of your impotent and insignificant life so, in projection, you constantly yell at everyone "You cant! You cant!"

That's what you do.

Far from being complex or difficult, your psychological profile is a dime-a-dozen here and pontificating buffoons just like you come and go here yearly, all of them every bit as Super Mighty Truly Holy as You. Every single one of them condemning all of Christian history as wrong and every single one of them being The One with The True Understanding.

Every single one of them as totally full of shit as your righteous rags.
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08/21/2013 10:56 PM
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Speaking of Inquisitors you do realize it wasn't that long ago the Church would have tortured and murdered anyone who would have dared to publicly cast doubt about Paul's writings and authority. You do understand that, right?
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The Roman Catholic "Church" would have killed me for not accepting it's authority or the Pope, or for being a Jew. They wouldn't be asking you about Paul.
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14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3


Peter gave the Paul the OK. Is Peter a liar now?
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08/21/2013 11:31 PM
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Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


Paul
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Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
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To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.



Paul
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Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


Paul


But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Paul


For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Paul

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