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The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!

 
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OP, I agree with you. Why do so many refuse to see that Paul was an egomaniac? I love what Paul said in II Corinthians 4:18 but other than that I wonder why he was allowed to take over the teachings like he was another Christ.
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I agree, as well.
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For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.



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Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.


But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.



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Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.



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But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.



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Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.



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According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;



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That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast
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For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



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Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:



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That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



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For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ


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But godliness with contentment is great gain.

For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.



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This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.



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For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.



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Alexander The Great & chauchat needed to get a room to hash out the minutia of the Law rather than trashing this thread with it.

Sheesh, almost three solid pages way off topic. Enough to make one think it was deliberately contrived as a smokescreen uhoh
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I guess I should feel flattered, if you're saying I helped contrive a smokescreen? Not smart enough to be that devious, even if I wanted to be.
'Sides,“I have not sat with men of untruth; and with those who hide what they are I do not come in.” (Psalm 26:4) What is meant by “those who hide what they are”? Some Bible translations here read “hypocrites.” As one reference work notes, this expression can be applied to “those who hide their purposes or designs from others, or who conceal their real character and intentions.” [link to wol.jw.org]

Why is it minutia[e]?
But actually, seems to me if ,as you claim, Paul can, no, MUST be thrown out of the Bible, what's to stop you from dismissing anything else you don't like or don't understand?

It's not our fault OP disappeared. And ATG's claiming we're still under the law covenant seems a big part of the whole anti-Paul bandwagon's resentment of Paul.
Paul clarified how and why no one is still under the law-covenant.
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You guessed wrong on multiple counts. No contriving on either side, only partaking. Possible on ATG's side but not likely on a conscious level. People hide what they are even from themselves. The behavior is as if the matter of Paul had been firmly dealt with so the better informed less clouded minds could move on and argue more substantial issues like the abominable status of pork and shrimp.
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I would say your manner and that of the other anti-Paulians is as if the matter of Paul has been firmly dealt with by "the better informed less clouded minds" and all that remains is to post the denunciations and link to the sites where the "better-informed" post the same [to me baffling] accusations over and over, and then sit back and collect your accolades from others who "just had a bad feeling" too about Paul and "thank you sooo much for the "facts" about Paul, and for your incredible bravery in posting them!"

Are you getting the tiny picture yet?
While where Paul stands on the Law is huge to some it's more of giant sign or red flag to me. If you haven't thoroughly mastered the golden rule, which seems to include everyone one of us to some degree, the other 600 or so rules for living a good life and a maintaining a healthy society don't matter so much. Keeping in mind all of the Law is for our benefit, not God's, we've no honest incentive for holding various facets of the Law over the head of others in order to measure and improve their Godly performance...
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I really don't know how to respond to this. You seem to be addressing Alexander the Great's position , not mine. I've been quoting scripture to show that the law covenant is no longer in effect. Were you trying to grant me a concession by stating something you know I agree with? If so ,I'm sorry I interpreted it as a lecture, on something of which you maybe want readers to infer I'm guilty .
Oh man, now you got me doing it, argh...

I suggest you take up bible editing with someone who advocates it. Which is not me. Paul is the text book example of what happens when we allow a mere man to speak for God and the horrors that follow i.e. Revelations. On my life I would never choose to remove a single sentence of his inflammatory highly convoluted doublespeak. I just want people to see it for what is.
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Then you should be delighted I mostly posted Paul's writings so readers can see for themselves, as you believe they will, ""his inflammatory highly convoluted doublespeak.""
"Paul clarified how and why no one is still under the law-covenant"

Right, yeah. Clear as evil dark viscous goo which you and ATG proved for going on three pages now.

'The Law is a curse!'
'All things are lawful unto me!'
'Should I break the Law? God forbid!'

[:woops- conscious not conscience]
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I grant you "clarified" in connection with Paul probably sounds crazy to most ppl. But he does clarify the matter for me, beautifully, and I'm definitely not alone in feeling that way about it, and in being very grateful to God for all scripture.
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I've done 33 years worth of homework?

Quotes of Paul's "Satanic deceptions," please?

Idol meat? Really, that's the best you got, Mr. Inquisitor?
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You could study for 666 years and never wise up as long as you're convinced beforehand Paul speaks for God. It's no wonder you're not at all impressed by Paul teaching a direct contradiction of what the authentic Apostles had decided.

Speaking of Inquisitors you do realize it wasn't that long ago the Church would have tortured and murdered anyone who would have dared to publicly cast doubt about Paul's writings and authority. You do understand that, right?
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Acts 15 And certain men came down from Ju·dea+ and began to teach the brothers: “Unless YOU get circumcised+ according to the custom of Moses,+ YOU cannot be saved.” 2 But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barna·bas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barna·bas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men* in Jerusalem+ regarding this dispute.

3 Accordingly, after being conducted partway by the congregation,+ these men continued on their way through both Phoe·nicia and Sa·mari·a, relating in detail the conversion* of people of the nations,+ and they were causing great joy to all the brothers.+ 4 On arriving in Jerusalem they were kindly received+ by the congregation and the apostles and the older men, and they recounted the many things God had done by means of them.+ 5 Yet, some of those of the sect of the Pharisees that had believed rose up from their seats and said: “It is necessary to circumcise them+ and charge them to observe the law of Moses.”+

6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair.+ 7 Now when much disputing+ had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: “Men, brothers, YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe;+ 8 and God, who knows the heart,+ bore witness by giving them the holy spirit,+ just as he did to us also. 9 And he made no distinction at all between us and them,+ but purified their hearts by faith.+ 10 Now, therefore, why are YOU making a test of God by imposing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke+ that neither our forefathers nor we were capable of bearing?+ 11 On the contrary, we trust to get saved through the undeserved kindness+ of the Lord Jesus in the same way as those people also.”+

12 At that the entire multitude became silent, and they began to listen to Barna·bas and Paul relate the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations.+ 13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me.+ 14 Syme·on*+ has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.+ 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth* of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again,+ 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah,* together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name,* says Jehovah,* who is doing these things,+ 18 known from of old.’*+ 19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God,+ 20 but to write them to abstain* from things polluted by idols+ and from fornication*+ and from what is strangled*+ and from blood.*+

Inquisition was to terrorize ppl into not publishing/reading
the scriptures, including Paul's writings.

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Dear Smokey chuchuchat,

First; I could do without all the +s and *s. Their liberal usage appears to be random and whenever I see an asterisk I expect some sort of reference or explanation about their use. Bold text is okay but please get to the point.

Second and last; A fairly massive Bible quote to a brief reply of mine that wasn't directed to you seems quite inappropriate when you won't even show the courtesy of acknowledging a rather thorough reply written by me specifically to you.

In other words- try blowing smoke in the ear of someone else.

p.s.
Inquisition was to terrorize ppl into not publishing/reading
the scriptures, including Paul's writings.

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Gee golly, that makes things all better 1dunno1
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Yes I'm sorry about all that clutter. I spend awhile trying to take out all this stuff stuck for some reason in the middle of proper names and leave all those plus marks, which in original take you to what would be called marginal notes in a print copy of Bible. Here's the link [link to wol.jw.org] and if you read the passage there you can click on all those +'s and *'s to see what they're on about. I don't know what you mean by blowing smoke and my guesses in the past as to what you mean have been declared wrong. I think you might be overestimating my level of sophistication
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"For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."

You impose your false ideas on this verse.
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All you have to do to resolve this issue is to explain what this statement means and how it relates to the previous statements.

But don't start at the end of the reply.

Start at the beginning, by explaining what Jesus means by the statement "You are wrong."

That's all you have to do.

You can throw stones all day long against the Truth; but, until you explain precisely where I am in error--until you can explain the flow of the argument and the specific relevance of each thing Jesus says--it is of no avail.

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You will prolly run away like every other cowardly Christian who I have asked to explain that reply.
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We've gone through this before. You fled. There is no reasoning with you. You will hear nothing, yield nothing, admit nothing, change nothing, because you know everything and you are perfect. And unemployed. And a societal parasite.
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I will yield nothing.

You got that right.

Because it is a Revelation.

No reasoning with me?

That is precisely what I am asking you to do.

Reason with me.

Explain to me what Jesus means by each of his replies to the Sadducees.

The reason you can't do it is because the entire edifice of Christian theology collapses because of the reply of Jesus; and its direct responsibility for the Albigensian Crusade and the Holocaust becomes clear.

So anyone who is capable of explaining what Jesus really means by his reply is the target of every Christian religious 'authority' and religionist on the face of the planet.

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Every single one of them condemning all of Christian history as wrong and every single one of them being The One with The True Understanding.
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The issue here is really quite simple.

According to the Prophecy in Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel, some person by the name of Michael will arrive some day to tell you things that you do not know.

Understand?

That is the meaning of "these words will remain secret and sealed until the time of the End." (Chapter 12, verse 9)

All you are saying is that this is not that day.

Now, the reason I am offending you is that I am telling you things that you don't know, things that you have never even heard before; things that, if the Truth, would destroy your belief in the witless doctrines of the Christian theologians--all of which are based upon the misunderstanding and disunderstanding of the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.

But that is what I am supposed to do.

In fact, if I did not tell you things that you don't know, there would be serious doubts as to whether I am who I claim to be.

Now, you may very well decide not to believe what I am telling you.

But that has no effect upon the Truth of the matter.

In fact, that, too, has been Prophesied:

"The wicked will never understand; the wise will understand." (Chapter 12, verse 10)

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You fled.
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Really?

What did I flee from?

Maybe I didn't even see your reply.

Tell me what it is that you 'think' I fled from.

Maybe I forgot the title of the thread and it slipped from the first page.

And don't expect me to remember the ID# of every witless AC who posts here.

If you want to be remembered, make yourself some kind of 'handle', so I can know who I'm talking to.

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"For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."

You impose your false ideas on this verse.
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All you have to do to resolve this issue is to explain what this statement means and how it relates to the previous statements.

But don't start at the end of the reply.

Start at the beginning, by explaining what Jesus means by the statement "You are wrong."

That's all you have to do.

You can throw stones all day long against the Truth; but, until you explain precisely where I am in error--until you can explain the flow of the argument and the specific relevance of each thing Jesus says--it is of no avail.

Michael
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1. You are in error because you do not know the power of God, or
You are in error because you do not know the scriptures
2. Sadducees did not believe in resurrection
3. Sadducees gave him an example concerning the physical
resurrection of the dead, 7 brothers married to 1 woman.
4. Sadducees, who did not believe in resurrection, asked Jesus whose wife she will be upon resurrection
5. He confirms resurrection
He denies the resurrection to involve marriage
30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven
6. He denies that they are dead to God. When He told Moses (after the physical deaths of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob" He was confirming that to God - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were still living, not dead. Their physical bodies had long returned to the dust, but they themselves still lived.

We see this in the example and why Moses commanded that a brother of a dead man was to marry the widow and raise up children for his dead brother. The woman spiritually was one with the dead husband, and therefore any children born to the brother are still the dead brothers lineage. In this manner, as the author of creation, every person living in the 'mind' of God comes into this world. Just because one brother dies does not mean that his descendants do not come forth into the world. They do.

God is a God of the Living because like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, at the time of Moses, long after their physical death, they still are living. He is still their God. And they will receive a new body, what that will be we do not know, but just as we see that Jesus showed a body after resurrection which was somehow different, those too in Christ will receive such.
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Peter was not the author of 2 Peter
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Most likely Paul the liar striking again. There's no proof Peter was the author of 2 Peter which differs from 1 Peter.
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cruise

Idiots making up their own "truth".
Here is a verse you should pay careful attention to.

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll
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I really don't know if you can read or not. You have said "dumbass" and "idiot." That's not respectful at all. Besides that, I've quoted scripture directly, and can point on when Paul says he SEEN JESUS and when Paul says HE SEEN NO ONE.

I can also go on the good 'ol internet and find out what respected theologians and folks who have studied intensely the authorship of the scriptures have to say about them. Just because it says 2 Peter doesn't mean Peter wrote it at all. And so you rely on 2 Peter, which doesn't hold up to 1 Peter, as proof of Paul's merit as a person of the Lord?

What about the things that came out of Paul's very own mouth? What about the yes/no's? What about how he said he seen Jesus and then said he didn't? What about when he said he went to Jerusalem and met with all the apostles and then said he didn't go but when he did not see all the apostles?

Like I said, can't have it both ways Paul! And Michael and Raymantheheretic are posting links (page 5 or 6) that you can go read to further your education on the word of GOD. Is Paul GOD? NO. Did Paul have a revelation of Christ? He says so. Did he see Christ? He said he didn't and no one around him seen Him either, but then later he said he did. Who's lying? not me! I'm just pointing out what PAUL SAID!
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Actually calling you an idiot is about the best thing you can be called. You are a deceiving liar. Anyone who believes anything this michael putz is saying is an idiot.

Peter did write second Peter. Claiming that a "lying Paul" actually wrote it is at best, incorrect.
Don't like what a scripture says? Claim it is bogus. How can you have any foundational truths if you claim the scriptures are corrupted? Fools and liars have always tried this tactic.
Christ said "It is finished". Gnostic minded metaphysical moonbats ignore this.

As for proving Paul was a liar by using his own words, well how can you claim that when at the same time you deny the authority of scriptures?

Double minded forked tongue liars. There is a special place in hell for those who drag souls to perdition with their lies. I'm sure michael will hold the door open for you.
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"For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."

You impose your false ideas on this verse.
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All you have to do to resolve this issue is to explain what this statement means and how it relates to the previous statements.

But don't start at the end of the reply.

Start at the beginning, by explaining what Jesus means by the statement "You are wrong."

That's all you have to do.

You can throw stones all day long against the Truth; but, until you explain precisely where I am in error--until you can explain the flow of the argument and the specific relevance of each thing Jesus says--it is of no avail.

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Impossible. You accept nothing that differs with whatever you say because you are The Great and Magnificent
Super Michael 4Q529 and you cannot be wrong.
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Explain to me what Jesus means by each of his replies to the Sadducees.

The reason you can't do it is because the entire edifice of Christian theology collapses because of the reply of Jesus; and its direct responsibility for the Albigensian Crusade and the Holocaust becomes clear.

So anyone who is capable of explaining what Jesus really means by his reply is the target of every Christian religious 'authority' and religionist on the face of the planet.
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Self-aggrandizing nonsense.
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"For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."

You impose your false ideas on this verse.
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All you have to do to resolve this issue is to explain what this statement means and how it relates to the previous statements.

But don't start at the end of the reply.

Start at the beginning, by explaining what Jesus means by the statement "You are wrong."

That's all you have to do.

You can throw stones all day long against the Truth; but, until you explain precisely where I am in error--until you can explain the flow of the argument and the specific relevance of each thing Jesus says--it is of no avail.

Michael
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1. You are in error
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I know the argument.

Stop right there.

What is Jesus referring to when he says that the Sadducees are in error?

If you know the answer to that question--it must be taken from the context of the conversation itself, not the preamble, which is irrelevant--you can begin to understand what Jesus meant by his reply.

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4Q529 is only here to "accuse the brethren" and extol himself.
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4Q529 is only here to "accuse the brethren" and extol himself.
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Hmm...

And precisely what 'accusation' is it to ask for an explanation of the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.

Don't Christians want to know the meaning of what Jesus said?

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The Great and Magnificent Super Michael 4Q529,

Who do YOU say that Jesus Christ is?
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Paul was the 2nd greatest apostle that has ever lived. With the exception of the Apostle Peter, Paul was and is the man!! Paul and Luke together wrote 2/3rds of all the epistles and Paul's epistles are the most greatest example of what Jesus Christ did for us; and why we should read the Holy Bible, day and night. And you are a very deceived person that could go down into the pits of hell for saying such horrible things about the most celebrated of all apostles. Yet, I forgive you, and hopefully God will forgive you too. Otherwise, you will be cooking and frying and crying in hell forever and ever!!
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You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

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Please provide scripture for this lie.

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