The biggest blunder in the church for years!! The Paul Deception!

Damn lying cathlicks.



14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2nd Peter 3

Paul was a very important example of one who at first being a Jew persecuted early christens.

You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

Michael

The crud you are spewing about Paul is just conjecture and twisting of scripture and taking it out of context. Repent of this evil speaking.

They are trying to demonize Paul because he wrote the book of Romans which condemns homosexuality in a big way.

Guarantee you whoever is saying this is Gay.

Paul was one of the most prolific bible writers of his time.

He wrote many very important books including Romans.

Paul was a very important example of one who at first being a Jew persecuted early christens.

However Jesus in heavenly form struck him blind. when his eyes were opened he made a significant moral conversion to Christianity himself thus setting the example for many other Jews Samaritans and Gentiles.

Alexander The Great & chauchat needed to get a room to hash out the minutia of the Law rather than trashing this thread with it.

Sheesh, almost three solid pages way off topic. Enough to make one think it was deliberately contrived as a smokescreen

Didn't forget so much as, I'm sure like most folk including myself, had no idea.

................Michael-v
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Egyptain gods story-^

Keep on flogging though man. One day, once we can all truly understand Paul's role, we'll be sure to come to the realization of the truth of yours.

Resurrection—The Proven Hope for the Dead

The Bible contains eight eyewitness accounts of people being raised from the dead back to life on earth.* These were cases of resurrection, not reincarnation.

Reassuringly, God’s Word indicates that the vast majority of those who have died will come back in the resurrection of the dead in God’s new world, which will soon replace this wicked world here on earth.

I guess I should feel flattered, if you're saying I helped contrive a smokescreen? Not smart enough to be that devious, even if I wanted to be.
'Sides,“I have not sat with men of untruth; and with those who hide what they are I do not come in.” (Psalm 26:4) What is meant by “those who hide what they are”? Some Bible translations here read “hypocrites.” As one reference work notes, this expression can be applied to “those who hide their purposes or designs from others, or who conceal their real character and intentions.” [link to wol.jw.org]

Why is it minutia[e]?
But actually, seems to me if ,as you claim, Paul can, no, MUST be thrown out of the Bible, what's to stop you from dismissing anything else you don't like or don't understand?

It's not our fault OP disappeared. And ATG's claiming we're still under the law covenant seems a big part of the whole anti-Paul bandwagon's resentment of Paul.
Paul clarified how and why no one is still under the law-covenant.

Some people may get confused due to back translations.

Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”Matthew 15:10-11

Now look what you wrote. The kingdom has NOTHING to do with eating and drinking. Nothing that goes in the mouth, to the stomach and passed out in the toilet defiles you. In which case, these man made regulations of do not touch, do not taste etc are GONE.

The thing that comes out of the mouth come from your mind and they are what defile us - thoughts - evil thoughts, fornication, hatred, envy, murder....

Look at our western nations. Our thoughts and beliefs come from the media and it's those which have defiled us. Their images and their words are the ones in our mind and from them we speak and reason. It is that which defiles man. Not pork and shellfish. Go eat some ribs and tell me if they make your mind focus on fornication? How about a lobster? Now go watch an R or X rated movie full of sex and nudity and tell me if your mind does not focus on those things or watch a show that repeats man evolved and tell me if you don't start believing that you evolved. Those defile you.

If Jesus was still under the Law of Moses, Jesus could not be High Priest.

For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
-- Hebrews 7:28

The NT has no laws according to YOU. Christians can easily find laws in there.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
-- John 13:34

Jesus said what the work God wants is:

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
-- John 6:28-29

I'm a "ma'am", not a sir.

Rev. 22:14 Happy are those who wash their robes,+ that the authority [to go] to the trees* of life+ may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates.+

ADMISSION TO THE HOLY CITY
Jehovah now focuses attention on the faithful 144,000 followers of Christ who have heavenly hopes and who have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and have by faith been loosed from their sins by means of his blood so that they may appear free from sin in God’s sight. (Rev. 1:5; 1 John 1:7) He says: “Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority to go to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates.” (Rev. 22:14) This is a heavenly city. These who have remained faithful to the end, becoming conquerors, have been baptized into Christ and into his death and have completed that baptism, dying a death of integrity like his and being resurrected in the spirit. The paradise here spoken of is, of course, not literal, but symbolic. The faithful overcomers are granted to eat of the “trees of life.” This denotes their being given the right and title to enjoy immortal life forever in the heavenly paradise of God.—1 Cor. 15:44, 52-54.

The city into which they enter, the holy city New Jerusalem, has twelve angels on guard at its twelve gates of pearl. These angelic guards recognize who these 144,000 faithful spiritual Israelites are and let them enter into the golden city. But for those in whom any form of unrighteousness is found entry is impossible, just as Adam and Eve could by no means get past the flaming sword of the angelic guards stationed at the east of the earthly garden of Eden to reach the tree of life in the middle of the garden.—Rev. 21:12, 13, 18; Gen. 2:9; 3:24.
Revelation WT Bible and Tract Society pps 316-317


Adam and Eve had the way to the tree of life blocked because they lacked faith ,[or in Adam's case didn't care? Like Esau selling his birthright for a mess of pottage?] in God's prophecy: "You will positively die." They [or at least Eve] instead put faith in negative insinuations about God, told them by Satan. They had free will and could choose the un-beneficial course of action, but were warned of consequences.
The Israelites who promised they would do all the things in the law of Moses "All this we are willing to do. We AND our children." mostly neglected to teach their children to really know God, and went about doing what appeared on the surface as beneficial to themselves, and eventually began to think "Jehovah has left the land. He is not seeing us [and our selfish ,lazy, or downright evil thoughts and actions.]
It's "FAITH NOT WORKS, lest any man boast". But works like those of Abraham and Rahab demonstrate that one has "THE FAITH", the one by which Jesus said he had "CONQUERED THE WORLD".

""""The law of God was orally told then."""" - do u have a scrip?
Was Rahab the prostitute in Jericho orally taught this law then? By whom?


"Faith of Jesus" -in his father, Jehovah ,like when he said Luke 22:42 “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will,+ but yours take place.”+
And-
Matthew 6:10

10 Let your kingdom+ come. Let your will+ take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.+
Mark 14:36

36 And he went on to say: “Abba,* Father,+ all things are possible to you; remove this cup from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want.”+
John 5:30

30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative;* just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous,+ because I seek, not my own will, but the will+ of him that sent me.
John 6:38

38 because I have come down from heaven+ to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.+

Too bad OP has neglected you but in defense there is a mountain of evidence that points to this deception. I would suggest doing your own homework. In the meantime Paul is on record as stating three times at length how it is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols when that practice was one of the few things the original Apostles specifically forbade to the newly converted.

I would direct you, first, to Chapter 2, verses 16-18 of Paul's second letter to Timothy:

"Have nothing to do with pointless philosophical discussions--they only lead further and further away from the true religion. Talk of this kind corrodes like gangrene, as in the case of Hymenaeus and Phlietus, the men who have gone right away from the truth and claim that the resurrection has already taken place...

This is a flagrant contradiction of Chapter 27, verses 52-53 of the Gospel of Matthew, which is a figurative description of the revelation of the memories of previous lives--i.e., "the resurrection"--received by some of the immediate followers of Jesus.

So, for these immediate followers of Jesus, "the resurrection" had "already taken place".

Oh, by the way, the "pointless philosophical discussion" was over whether "the resurrection" is the Egyptian 'god of the dead' doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave--the position taken by Pharisee Paul--or whether it was related to memories of previous lives.

Michael

You forgot to specify his most important lie: He taught the Egyptian 'god of the dead'-Pharisaical ("synagogue of Satan") doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave, in opposition to the Revelation of "the resurrection" consisting of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

It was that lie that led directly to the Holocaust.

Michael

God is not retarded and unable to watch over His word. The bible would be utterly corrupted and useless if what OP said were true. It isn't.

[link to www.justgivemethetruth.com]

The Apostle Paul Was A Deceiver!

He was Satan In The Flesh! An Antichrist!

Matthew 24:4-5 states you will be deceived by people that come using Jesus’ name. Consider the parable of the sower. Jesus was warning us then that as soon as His Gospel was preached, the enemy (Paul) would be there to steal the truth!


***The real (untranslated) name of Jesus is Y'hoshua (pronounced like the name Joshua but with a Y, YoHoshua, some pronounce his name as Yeshua). All refer to the Son of God who came as the promised Messiah who died on the cross for our sins and rose again.

Now before you throw a tantrum and wonder why I haven't been struck by lightening straight from the throne room of God, I can prove to you that Paul was a Fraud using his own words. Of course, if you're a female, and you're in the ministry, you already know he was, you probably just didn't realize it! For to be a female and in the ministry of the Lord, you had to turn your back on Paul to follow Jesus. Congrats! You figured it out! You refused to buy into the lie pie Satan tried to sell you as Paul!

I'm going to make some startling points to wake your mind up into the truth, so hear me out, then I'll go through and explain each one and give you all the proof you need to see for yourself that what I'm saying is indeed the truth.

Paul was Satan in the Flesh

Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the Disciples OR Jesus

Paul was never trained by the disciples, the men who walked, talked, and broke bread with our Saviour. He received his knowledge from "revelations."

Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, thus the disciples knew he was lying.

Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the Father

Paul declared he himself was the son of God

Paul issued his own commandments and laws for people to adhere to

Paul taught the exact Opposite of what Jesus and His real disciples did.

Paul worked to destroy and undo everything Jesus and His disciples did and were doing.

Paul was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He boasted about it! Over and Over!

Paul said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said it was a blessing. Who's lying?

Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.

Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21), Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21.

In 1 Corinthians 15:1 Paul says that he was not giving them anything but what “he preached.” He explained this even further in the second book (or letter) to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11:17). It reads - “That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.” He's telling you plain and simple he was speaking of himself and not from or of the Lord!"

Paul cursed Jesus and His disciples

Paul claimed he himself was the son of God

Paul Supported and demanded Adherence to Iniquity (Discrimination), Jesus said to not let it be found among us! Who's lying?