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PIN! WashingtonTimes: U.N. comes after America’s guns Barack Obama’s OK of a gun-control treaty would destroy the Second Amendment

 
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They will start in FEMA region 3, and this is going to be the October Surprise everyone is waiting on. REGION 3 is statistically passive and anti gun, so they expect the rest of the country to give up after region 3 is pacified.

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BULLSHIT. Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia are definitely *not* anti-gun. Over a million hunting permits issued in 2011 in those three states, alone. I don't have stats readily available on how many deer and other game were taken, but anecdotal evidence would suggest that somewhere between 30 and 50% of hunters are successful in taking at least one quarry in a given season - one hell of a "rebel force" to be reckoned with, just within 100 miles of the District of Criminals.

The phrase, "Good luck with that", immediately comes to mind.

Logistics alone will break any large force attempting to stay highly mobile in such an environment; and guerrilla tactics will destroy by attrition any force which tries to dig in and "hold ground". That's the rock and hard-place of asymmetrical warfare, particularly when there are no "rear areas" where supplies are safe, and where troops can get R&R.

Draw a circle with a radius of 50 miles centered on DC - a large enough force (figure 12,000-15,000 troops) can take that in about 10 days. It will likely cost: 400~600 casualties among the invading force, 40~50 vehicles destroyed, and ~40,000-60,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 days). The operation will require some 480,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field; that's 48,000 pounds of deliveries every day, on time, to all forces, or the net of control will begin to fail after as little as 24 hours without replenishment.

Now, double that radius to 100 miles...securing and obtaining provisional control will take at least 10 weeks and 50,000 troops, and it will cost 1300~1800 casualties, about 200 vehicles destroyed, and 500,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 weeks). The operation will require some 14,000,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field - about 1,400,000 pounds per week.

Double that radius to 200 miles, and it will take between 10 and 16 months to "pacify" that much area with roughly 150,000 troops. Casualties will be in the range of 12,000~20,000 per year, vehicle losses will be well over 2500 per year, this force will require over 14 million gallons of fuel per year to remain operational, and will also require ~26 Million pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables per year.

All personnel, materials, and supplies will require continual replenishment to every field location. On time. Under combat conditions.

These figures for fuel and consumables do *not* account for losses due to sabotage or "piracy" by rebels, and therefore may have to be increased as much as 15~25% or more durring an extended campaign, where networks of rebel forces coordinate against resupply operations.

And this is still not even 20% of the contiguous US territory under "control".

In short, without aiding factors it would be functionally impossible to control and disarm even 50% of the territory known as CONUS. That is why they are so desperately seeking aiding factors, like a natural disaster and/or a grid down type of game changer scenario.

Amateurs think tactics...professionals think logistics.
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Reading the article, they would not attempt to confiscate.

They know better. They are going to try and phase them out over a period of a generation or two by regulations.
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Yep just like when first signs appeared, they are in no rush. It will clamp down in 10, 20, 30, 40 years down the road. Boiling the frog.
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Don't bring that shit to Maine. Nuh uh. Not a good idea.
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First time around was red coats, now it's blue helmets. Are you all ready to evict the vermin once again.
All that you know, is at an end.
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Obama took an oath to protect and defend the constitution.
If he signs that treaty, that means he is a traitor.

What is the punishment for treason?
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You kidding right cruise
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I'm so sick of the UN bullshit, control for every aspect of life. I hope they make a move and make their criminal intentions known to all. I have no interest in starting a fight with them but if they want war with the American people they will damn sure get more than they bargained for. Its time for everyone to really look at what is truly important to them, what they cherish, then understand that these fuckers will walk all over you and take everything you cherish and wreck it while you watch.

Enough!

I'm just as guilty as everyone else in being apathetic with everything, not just guns. There is no line in the sand to cross, they already have and kicked the sand in our faces.
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I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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LOL - 1 in 4 American own guns with an average of 4 per and Billions of rounds of ammo.

I would like to see a blue helmet UN peace loving homo try to take an American hunters rifles away.

Never happen.
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I predict he signs this treaty on the occult day August 25 because it is the double star of david alignment date. I hope this doesn't happen because Congress and Senate are on recess for another two weeks. Even if he signs it I think that Congress and the Senate has the ratify it to put into law. You need to contact your representative and tell them you are against this treaty that will destroy the Constitution of the United States. It will be offcially done. Martial Law.

It looks like all the pieces are in place for (NWO) plans otherwise why would be going ahead with this when the American people are against this.

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I dont take orders from the UN,you want um come get um.
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I dont take orders from the UN,you want um come get um.
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The federal government is a creation of the American people. It was the representatives of the people who wrote the document creating the government and granting certain limited powers to the federal entity. The people then retained all other powers to the states (the real governments of the people) or to themselves. If the documents are read correctly, as no real politician ever wants us to do, the people are in control and the government is merely a group of our servants who are supposed to do our bidding. Therefore, it is we, the people, who are to blame for the federal government running amok. We have allowed this bloated, reckless entity to usurp our power because we trusted that it would work in our best interest. We forgot that it was exactly this sort of trust that was warned about and guarded against by our founders. Now, the federal power brokers want to abolish our God-given rights and render us powerless. If Obama puts his pen to this treaty, he has openly and notoriously taken action against the people of this great nation and should be held to account for this. We need to remember that the power lies in us and the rights we enjoy were not granted to us, but have always been ours from the beginning. No one can take them from us, but we can certainly give them away. NEVER GIVE UP THAT WHICH CANNOT OTHERWISE BE TAKEN FROM YOU!

Ok, that was my rant. Now, the main problem I see with guarding against this egregious attempt at usurpation of our rights is that we are saying that we will vehemently resist such an attempt, but we are individuals, and without cohesion. One man standing against a cohesive force is at once brave and foolish, and a force divided is a force conquered. How is this to be addressed?
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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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They will start in FEMA region 3, and this is going to be the October Surprise everyone is waiting on. REGION 3 is statistically passive and anti gun, so they expect the rest of the country to give up after region 3 is pacified.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41089357


bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag

BULLSHIT. Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia are definitely *not* anti-gun. Over a million hunting permits issued in 2011 in those three states, alone. I don't have stats readily available on how many deer and other game were taken, but anecdotal evidence would suggest that somewhere between 30 and 50% of hunters are successful in taking at least one quarry in a given season - one hell of a "rebel force" to be reckoned with, just within 100 miles of the District of Criminals.

The phrase, "Good luck with that", immediately comes to mind.

Logistics alone will break any large force attempting to stay highly mobile in such an environment; and guerrilla tactics will destroy by attrition any force which tries to dig in and "hold ground". That's the rock and hard-place of asymmetrical warfare, particularly when there are no "rear areas" where supplies are safe, and where troops can get R&R.

Draw a circle with a radius of 50 miles centered on DC - a large enough force (figure 12,000-15,000 troops) can take that in about 10 days. It will likely cost: 400~600 casualties among the invading force, 40~50 vehicles destroyed, and ~40,000-60,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 days). The operation will require some 480,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field; that's 48,000 pounds of deliveries every day, on time, to all forces, or the net of control will begin to fail after as little as 24 hours without replenishment.

Now, double that radius to 100 miles...securing and obtaining provisional control will take at least 10 weeks and 50,000 troops, and it will cost 1300~1800 casualties, about 200 vehicles destroyed, and 500,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 weeks). The operation will require some 14,000,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field - about 1,400,000 pounds per week.

Double that radius to 200 miles, and it will take between 10 and 16 months to "pacify" that much area with roughly 150,000 troops. Casualties will be in the range of 12,000~20,000 per year, vehicle losses will be well over 2500 per year, this force will require over 14 million gallons of fuel per year to remain operational, and will also require ~260 Million pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables per year. That is 270,000 gallons of fuel, and 5,000,000 pounds of supplies per week!!! This is similar to what Exxon/Mobile and Wallmart deliver each week in the entire US market east of the Mississippi river!

These figures for fuel and consumables do *not* account for losses due to sabotage or "piracy" by rebels, and therefore may have to be increased as much as 15~25% or more durring an extended campaign, where networks of rebel forces coordinate against resupply operations.

All personnel, materials, and supplies will require continual replenishment to every field location. On time. Under combat conditions. If Exxon and Walmart couldn't do it, who do you think can?!?

And this is still not even 20% of the contiguous US territory under "control".

In short, without aiding factors it would be functionally impossible to control and disarm even 50% of the territory known as CONUS. That is why they are so desperately seeking aiding factors, like a natural disaster and/or a grid down type of game changer scenario.

Amateurs think tactics...professionals think logistics.
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They will just nuke every major city
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Well there will be a pile of blood shed on that one! I know I'd take out my share and then some!!
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86% of the US military are deployed outside the Contenental USA. I hope you mean what you say brother.

Perhaps a patriot sub crew will take out the bastards before they get too far.
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I do not believe that 86% of our military is overseas. If that were so they would be forced to stay overseas forever because there would be nobody to replace them in rotation. Every base in our country would be deserted except for a few MPs to man the gates. It just ain't so.

I'll hazzard that not more than 30% of our troops are overseas. If talking about land forces the number will be even lower. Then there is the fact that the national guard comprises about 40% of our land and air forces and very, very few of them are overseas.
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Our military is NOT the one to worry about..remember...it's the foreign forces!

Our fine gov't wants our forces over seas while foreign troops try to fuck us over!

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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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Maybe you need to sign in then spend the rest of the time reporting abusive posts. Seems like that's all you're good for.
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Reading the article, they would not attempt to confiscate.

They know better. They are going to try and phase them out over a period of a generation or two by regulations.
 Quoting: *Evan


Yep just like when first signs appeared, they are in no rush. It will clamp down in 10, 20, 30, 40 years down the road. Boiling the frog.
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Well I will say the generations behind me are getting more pussied by the decade. The latest batch of teen boys get bossed around by women all day long. Someday THEY WILL BE SOMEONES BITCH IF THEY DON'T SHAPE UP!
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U.S. out of the U.N.
And the U.N. out of the U.S.

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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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Probably one of the most sissified statements I have read on
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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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Probably one of the most sissified statements I have read on
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U.S. out of the U.N.
And the U.N. out of the U.S.

militia
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^^^^^
THIS!

The US was never meant to subjugate itself to the whims of any other nation for any reason, period!
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Obama took an oath to protect and defend the constitution.
If he signs that treaty, that means he is a traitor.

What is the punishment for treason?
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You kidding right cruise
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You don't seem to "get" the fact that tyranny doesnt give a crap about your rights.
SPEAK UP. SILENCE IS DEADLY!

I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

DEAL WITH IT. WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS. RESPECT MINE.
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Obama took an oath to protect and defend the constitution.
If he signs that treaty, that means he is a traitor.

What is the punishment for treason?
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You kidding right cruise
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You don't seem to "get" the fact that tyranny doesnt give a crap about your rights.
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Now that is saying the hard facts. applause2
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Check & Mate

Ships & Troops on the way, Docs are signed
Kids are in bed


"The true scope of the anti-firearm crusade of the United Nations, which began more than a dozen years ago, finally is coming into clear focus, as the White House readies to sign the Arms Trade Treaty adopted with U.S. support this past April by the U.N. General Assembly. The reach of this long-term, carefully crafted agenda is truly breathtaking, going far beyond the publicly articulated goals of even the most radical of homegrown gun-control groups..."

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
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Gates of Vienna.

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Obama took an oath to protect and defend the constitution.
If he signs that treaty, that means he is a traitor.

What is the punishment for treason?
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You kidding right cruise
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You don't seem to "get" the fact that tyranny doesnt give a crap about your rights.
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Now that is saying the hard facts. applause2
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Yeah, well liberty doesn't care much for tyranny, either.
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