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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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Took a lot of balls for an AC to say that, huh?
What a tard.
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No! flipoff
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Come and take it bitches in blue helmets...They will have a huge problem with this.

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No they will not. It is about population reduction, and if blue helmets go down with all the patriots, all the better numbers wise.
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Welcome to Europe.
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They can try, but they'll just die tired, hungry and bloody.

Lets roll.
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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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Think so? Smith, Wesson, Remington, and Springfield say "go ahead, make my day."



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But, then, really, here's my neck of the woods:



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Any fuck trying to disarm us will find out...
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They will start in FEMA region 3, and this is going to be the October Surprise everyone is waiting on. REGION 3 is statistically passive and anti gun, so they expect the rest of the country to give up after region 3 is pacified.

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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag

BULLSHIT. Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia are definitely *not* anti-gun. Over a million hunting permits issued in 2011 in those three states, alone. I don't have stats readily available on how many deer and other game were taken, but anecdotal evidence would suggest that somewhere between 30 and 50% of hunters are successful in taking at least one quarry in a given season - one hell of a "rebel force" to be reckoned with, just within 100 miles of the District of Criminals.

The phrase, "Good luck with that", immediately comes to mind.

Logistics alone will break any large force attempting to stay highly mobile in such an environment; and guerrilla tactics will destroy by attrition any force which tries to dig in and "hold ground". That's the rock and hard-place of asymmetrical warfare, particularly when there are no "rear areas" where supplies are safe, and where troops can get R&R.

Draw a circle with a radius of 50 miles centered on DC - a large enough force (figure 12,000-15,000 troops) can take that in about 10 days. It will likely cost: 400~600 casualties among the invading force, 40~50 vehicles destroyed, and ~40,000-60,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 days). The operation will require some 480,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field; that's 48,000 pounds of deliveries every day, on time, to all forces, or the net of control will begin to fail after as little as 24 hours without replenishment.

Now, double that radius to 100 miles...securing and obtaining provisional control will take at least 10 weeks and 50,000 troops, and it will cost 1300~1800 casualties, about 200 vehicles destroyed, and 500,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 weeks). The operation will require some 14,000,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field - about 1,400,000 pounds per week.

Double that radius to 200 miles, and it will take between 10 and 16 months to "pacify" that much area with roughly 150,000 troops. Casualties will be in the range of 12,000~20,000 per year, vehicle losses will be well over 2500 per year, this force will require over 14 million gallons of fuel per year to remain operational, and will also require ~260 Million pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables per year. That is 270,000 gallons of fuel, and 5,000,000 pounds of supplies per week!!! This is similar to what Exxon/Mobile and Wallmart deliver each week in the entire US market east of the Mississippi river!

These figures for fuel and consumables do *not* account for losses due to sabotage or "piracy" by rebels, and therefore may have to be increased as much as 15~25% or more durring an extended campaign, where networks of rebel forces coordinate against resupply operations.

All personnel, materials, and supplies will require continual replenishment to every field location. On time. Under combat conditions. If Exxon and Walmart couldn't do it, who do you think can?!?

And this is still not even 20% of the contiguous US territory under "control".

In short, without aiding factors it would be functionally impossible to control and disarm even 50% of the territory known as CONUS. That is why they are so desperately seeking aiding factors, like a natural disaster and/or a grid down type of game changer scenario.

Amateurs think tactics...professionals think logistics.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


Smart, well thought out.

Precise and surgical.
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Contrary to idiots that spread rumours, international treaties do NOT trump the US constitution.
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Tell that to the democratically appointed judges.

Keep in mind that schools are already indoctrinating the children against guns, images of guns, chicken fingers that look like guns and thoughts about guns. It only took 20 to 30 years of indoctrinating the children to accept gays and their lifestyle and now look...we have gay marriage popping up just about everywhere, gays kissing on tv, celebrations of gay pride at Disney world, etc. So, don't look now, but these children will be voting before you know it and they will care less about the second amendment. Just like they could care less about marriage today.
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Contrary to idiots that spread rumours, international treaties do NOT trump the US constitution.
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Good, I'm glad to see someone's paying attention on page one!

So I'm not the only firearms owner not at all worried about the ATT. This is good. Ignorance is bad.

In short: The Arms Trade Treaty would have no effect on domestic laws or practices regarding civilians, small arms, and the second amendment that protects them.
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Since the first major U.N. meeting in July 2001, officially launching the so-called “Program of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects,” this bureaucratic behemoth on the banks of the East River in New York City has been attempting to stretch its tentacles into the domestic regulation of firearms. If the administration of President Obama signs the Arms Trade Treaty, the U.N. will have taken a major step toward its ultimate goal — regardless of whether the treaty is ever submitted to the Senate for ratification.

OHHHHhhHhhHhhhhhhhhh Ya TPTB are scared ......AND THEY FUCKING SHOULD BE......


Oh by the way.....:2222222:
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People didnt care if the US government shit all over the Constitution so long as they said they were doing it because of evil brown people.

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Contrary to idiots that spread rumours, international treaties do NOT trump the US constitution.
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Tell that to the democratically appointed judges.

Keep in mind that schools are already indoctrinating the children against guns, images of guns, chicken fingers that look like guns and thoughts about guns. It only took 20 to 30 years of indoctrinating the children to accept gays and their lifestyle and now look...we have gay marriage popping up just about everywhere, gays kissing on tv, celebrations of gay pride at Disney world, etc. So, don't look now, but these children will be voting before you know it and they will care less about the second amendment. Just like they could care less about marriage today.
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Your initial point of that post is VERY valid IMO. It's true, kids are getting in trouble for even thinking of guns - brainwashing, pure and simple, just like Holder said needed to be done in the 90's. It's funny too, because still, every movie that gets released from Hollywood features the latest and greatest firearms...

Guys, c'mon, this Arms Trade Treaty fearmongering has been going on too long year after year. Have you not noticed the US hasn't agreed to it? While we're all worried about our little small arms, you're missing the broad scope and objective of the ATT, and the real reasons our country doesn't want to become a participant to it.

Hint, what are we sending Syrian Rebels?

Tanks, gunships, airplanes, artillery. Shit, half the people writing about it toss in the word "small" to relate to you. It doesn't apply! It's a non issue.
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Treaties require a 2/3 majority vote by the Senate in order to be ratified.
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TRUTH confirmed by politicians & MSMS. Obama signed a treaty.. it is seals & tied to Executive Orders (secret, he has passed MANY like this). And that NO ONE no Congress, Senate has any knowledge of what it is for or with. They have requested, as people have been pressuring them.. AND the Obama Regime has usurped more power than the Executive allows a President, & has further over stepped illegally & usurped powers of Judicial & Legislative.. AND further may of the anti gun & out right US & Constitution haters & DC were all giddy & bragging in print & vid that OBAMA would get everything he needed on THIS matter & more using EO & other means.. See how DHS & DOJ removed the 5th Amendment just a while back & stated that NOW "remaining silent, will be understood as an ADMISSION OF GUILT"
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Basically this is another way to say megadeath. Because...that will be the result.
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Basically this is another way to say megadeath. Because...that will be the result.
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Bro please elaborate.
This UN shit is nonsense.
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They will start in FEMA region 3, and this is going to be the October Surprise everyone is waiting on. REGION 3 is statistically passive and anti gun, so they expect the rest of the country to give up after region 3 is pacified.

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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag

BULLSHIT. Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia are definitely *not* anti-gun. Over a million hunting permits issued in 2011 in those three states, alone. I don't have stats readily available on how many deer and other game were taken, but anecdotal evidence would suggest that somewhere between 30 and 50% of hunters are successful in taking at least one quarry in a given season - one hell of a "rebel force" to be reckoned with, just within 100 miles of the District of Criminals.

The phrase, "Good luck with that", immediately comes to mind.

Logistics alone will break any large force attempting to stay highly mobile in such an environment; and guerrilla tactics will destroy by attrition any force which tries to dig in and "hold ground". That's the rock and hard-place of asymmetrical warfare, particularly when there are no "rear areas" where supplies are safe, and where troops can get R&R.

Draw a circle with a radius of 50 miles centered on DC - a large enough force (figure 12,000-15,000 troops) can take that in about 10 days. It will likely cost: 400~600 casualties among the invading force, 40~50 vehicles destroyed, and ~40,000-60,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 days). The operation will require some 480,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field; that's 48,000 pounds of deliveries every day, on time, to all forces, or the net of control will begin to fail after as little as 24 hours without replenishment.

Now, double that radius to 100 miles...securing and obtaining provisional control will take at least 10 weeks and 50,000 troops, and it will cost 1300~1800 casualties, about 200 vehicles destroyed, and 500,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 weeks). The operation will require some 14,000,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field - about 1,400,000 pounds per week.

Double that radius to 200 miles, and it will take between 10 and 16 months to "pacify" that much area with roughly 150,000 troops. Casualties will be in the range of 12,000~20,000 per year, vehicle losses will be well over 2500 per year, this force will require over 14 million gallons of fuel per year to remain operational, and will also require ~260 Million pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables per year. That is 270,000 gallons of fuel, and 5,000,000 pounds of supplies per week!!! This is similar to what Exxon/Mobile and Wallmart deliver each week in the entire US market east of the Mississippi river!

These figures for fuel and consumables do *not* account for losses due to sabotage or "piracy" by rebels, and therefore may have to be increased as much as 15~25% or more durring an extended campaign, where networks of rebel forces coordinate against resupply operations.

All personnel, materials, and supplies will require continual replenishment to every field location. On time. Under combat conditions. If Exxon and Walmart couldn't do it, who do you think can?!?

And this is still not even 20% of the contiguous US territory under "control".

In short, without aiding factors it would be functionally impossible to control and disarm even 50% of the territory known as CONUS. That is why they are so desperately seeking aiding factors, like a natural disaster and/or a grid down type of game changer scenario.

Amateurs think tactics...professionals think logistics.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


Smart, well thought out.

Precise and surgical.
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NOT TRUE WV IS anti gun since their politician are & were major authors & even wooed w/ girls, booze etc.. on his yacht in Potomac Harbor those of left & right, Dem & Rep.. to go anti gun.. & those on opposite sides are VERY tight w/ him... I live in VA near border.. our lease has not been renewed & are looking for a place.. I am VERY leery as are many of my friends to move into WV as we see them going by was of CO, CA, CT on this. We are the outskirts of DC, our households have people who commute & work in DC, private & Gov.. We get all the "local politico gossip on these guys" & we do NOT trust WV And BTW I see TX as a false haven.. there is alot going on in TX that is so far gone compare to other states as far as many UN agendas.. & other matters.. yet peoples general "vision" of TX is very different from the reality. But they R bought & sold & U know who lives there, & U know they are full NWO, Bilderberg, Trilateral commission, CFR, Bohemian grove & pulled off 9/11 & very tight w/ foreign nationals for many reasons
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Specifically, a treaty cannot override the Second Amendment nor any of the other principles encased within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution.

The following excerpt from Article VI of the United States Constitution, is very clear in stating:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof ; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the
Judges in every State shall be bound their by, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added]

Read that sentence carefully! Many people do not understand that any law being made must not conflict with the
Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. Under
THIS Constitution, our laws and treaties are acceptable only if they conform to the intent and purpose of what has been written in this master document. No law is acceptable if it conflicts with or alters the original text.

THIS Constitution, and not the opposing United Nations Charter, is the supreme law of this country. In these
times, however, evil laws and treaties have been written and designed to work against those previously established laws,
which were supposed to prevent tyranny from happening.
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Basically this is another way to say megadeath. Because...that will be the result.
 Quoting: Chip


Bro please elaborate.
This UN shit is nonsense.
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Nah...you get the picture. It's pretty obvious at this point that the elite want us all to murder each other. That's it in a nutshell.

Seriously...why the fuck do they care if peasants have weapons? They really don't. They are like a giant machine...all they know is that taking firearms from Americans will break the rusty wire holding America in it's current civilized state. Never in the history of mankind has their been a brigade of armed "soldiers" as massive as America's armed folks. That is key here.

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The President of the U.S. may commit the nation to a treaty ONLYIF 2/3 of the Senate confers "advice and consent" AND IF the treaty does not violate the U.S. Constitution.
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No! flipoff
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They will start in FEMA region 3, and this is going to be the October Surprise everyone is waiting on. REGION 3 is statistically passive and anti gun, so they expect the rest of the country to give up after region 3 is pacified.

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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag

BULLSHIT. Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia are definitely *not* anti-gun. Over a million hunting permits issued in 2011 in those three states, alone. I don't have stats readily available on how many deer and other game were taken, but anecdotal evidence would suggest that somewhere between 30 and 50% of hunters are successful in taking at least one quarry in a given season - one hell of a "rebel force" to be reckoned with, just within 100 miles of the District of Criminals.

The phrase, "Good luck with that", immediately comes to mind.

Logistics alone will break any large force attempting to stay highly mobile in such an environment; and guerrilla tactics will destroy by attrition any force which tries to dig in and "hold ground". That's the rock and hard-place of asymmetrical warfare, particularly when there are no "rear areas" where supplies are safe, and where troops can get R&R.

Draw a circle with a radius of 50 miles centered on DC - a large enough force (figure 12,000-15,000 troops) can take that in about 10 days. It will likely cost: 400~600 casualties among the invading force, 40~50 vehicles destroyed, and ~40,000-60,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 days). The operation will require some 480,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field; that's 48,000 pounds of deliveries every day, on time, to all forces, or the net of control will begin to fail after as little as 24 hours without replenishment.

Now, double that radius to 100 miles...securing and obtaining provisional control will take at least 10 weeks and 50,000 troops, and it will cost 1300~1800 casualties, about 200 vehicles destroyed, and 500,000 gallons of fuel burned (in 10 weeks). The operation will require some 14,000,000 pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables to be delivered to the field - about 1,400,000 pounds per week.

Double that radius to 200 miles, and it will take between 10 and 16 months to "pacify" that much area with roughly 150,000 troops. Casualties will be in the range of 12,000~20,000 per year, vehicle losses will be well over 2500 per year, this force will require over 14 million gallons of fuel per year to remain operational, and will also require ~260 Million pounds of food, medicine, and other consumables per year. That is 270,000 gallons of fuel, and 5,000,000 pounds of supplies per week!!! This is similar to what Exxon/Mobile and Wallmart deliver each week in the entire US market east of the Mississippi river!

These figures for fuel and consumables do *not* account for losses due to sabotage or "piracy" by rebels, and therefore may have to be increased as much as 15~25% or more durring an extended campaign, where networks of rebel forces coordinate against resupply operations.

All personnel, materials, and supplies will require continual replenishment to every field location. On time. Under combat conditions. If Exxon and Walmart couldn't do it, who do you think can?!?

And this is still not even 20% of the contiguous US territory under "control".

In short, without aiding factors it would be functionally impossible to control and disarm even 50% of the territory known as CONUS. That is why they are so desperately seeking aiding factors, like a natural disaster and/or a grid down type of game changer scenario.

Amateurs think tactics...professionals think logistics.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


Smart, well thought out.

Precise and surgical.
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Logical people will agree with you. Except these are not logical people, they are idealogs. They will not let statistical analysis get in their way of the last chance they have to rule in a utopian society of their making. When is the last time you met a logical libtard? When is the last time one of them even thought for a moment that they were not the smartest people in t had e world or that their lifelong causes were pointless mistakes. No, they will try thise because its do or die, their last chance at success, otherwise their entire lives have been a lie. While statistically they may have no chance, they think they have everything to gain and that no one is smarter. They will They will think this way until the bullet exits their brain.

Prepare to fight them like you would fight any other radical enemy who is willing to kill a lot of people to see their vision realized.

your a fool if you belive they wont.
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Good fucking luck..

This has to be something they plan to implement post SHTF or something. No way in hell are even they stupid enough to think they can make this happen.
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We can stop this but a LOT of people will die.

Here is how they may try it.

o Financial System is crashed
o Economy is crashed
o US Dollar is crashed
o US Gov declares bankruptcy
o All gov payments cut at least in half
o Tens of millions of new homeless created
o 9/11 Part II is executed
o South America/Africa done it
o Draft declared
o US military fighting in dozens of countries
o H5N1 released
o US Supreme Counts declare the 2nd Amendment only applies to the obama brown shirts
o UN Invades US to make sure all are "H5N1 vaccinated"
o UN decides to take guns just to be sure
o Since each US address has a GPS address the foreign troops don't even need to read English
o Instant Check is of course a gun registry

The key is the Supreme Court or anyone else CANNOT tell you you are not allowed to defend yourself.

Will enough of our Military join us and disobey the illegal orders of the corrupt generals to murder us? Will the number of honest Sheriffs out number the corrupted ones? Will tens of millions of Americans blast the shit out of ANYONE marching up their drive to take their guns OR their neighbor's guns?
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Basically this is another way to say megadeath. Because...that will be the result.
 Quoting: Chip


Bro please elaborate.
This UN shit is nonsense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45330514


Nah...you get the l picture. It's pretty obvious at this point that the elite want us all to murder each other. That's it in a nutshell.

Seriously...why the fuck do they care if peasants have weapons? They really don't. They are like a giant machine...all they know is that taking firearms from Americans will break the rusty wire holding America in it's current civilized state. Never in the history of mankind has their been a brigade of armed "soldiers" as massive as America's armed folks. That is key here.
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they will have us shoot our bullets at ourselves first,
then they can come in for the guns when the bullets are all gone.

that is the only way to take 300 million guns from 300 million people..
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Come and take it bitches in blue helmets...They will have a huge problem with this.

BACK OFF
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Skip the bitches in blue helmets. Go straight to the enabler's brain trust. Everywhere.
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Did anyone actually go and read the ATT? ( [link to treaties.un.org] I'm in no way a fan of UN or Barry nor defending their positions. I did read the ATT from the UN's website and I have a hard time seeing where this affects or is written to affect the Constitution and rights of American citizens.
Everything in the treaty itself appears to be addressing the import/export of conventional arms and munitions. The description of the 'national control system' is followed by 'to regulate the export of' in every statement. It states "For the purposes of this treaty, the activities of the international trade comprise export, import, transit, trans-shipment and brokering hereafter referred to as "transfer"". This doesn't infer "transfer" like FFL transfer.
I've read nothing that attempts to regulate a State's (which doesn't mean the individual United States, rather a UN member Party) internal National laws. It cannot regulate nor attempt to regulate a Parties national laws. It's attempting to regulate international weapons trade. I'm not here to argue; I'm 100% pro-gun. I just wanted to do the reading myself and see what the hub-bub was about. I find it hard to glean out of this document where anything that affects American citizens is implied, besides if you were trying to purchase arms from a foreign country.
If this is totally wrong, then please tell me. Believe me, I was just as pissed as the next guy reading the headline, but it didn't sound correct once I read it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't trust it but I'm not an attorney or the like so I may be missing something.
Now the International Small Arms Control Standards is a different ballgame, but the USA isn't listed as a member.
[link to www.smallarmsstandards.org]
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All you fools pretending to be hard will be the first ones to fold. All you're capable of is feigning outrage online.
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Think so? Smith, Wesson, Remington, and Springfield say "go ahead, make my day."



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Any fuck trying to disarm us will find out...
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Thanks for proving my point
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Basically this is another way to say megadeath. Because...that will be the result.
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Bro please elaborate.
This UN shit is nonsense.
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Nah...you get the l picture. It's pretty obvious at this point that the elite want us all to murder each other. That's it in a nutshell.

Seriously...why the fuck do they care if peasants have weapons? They really don't. They are like a giant machine...all they know is that taking firearms from Americans will break the rusty wire holding America in it's current civilized state. Never in the history of mankind has their been a brigade of armed "soldiers" as massive as America's armed folks. That is key here.
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they will have us shoot our bullets at ourselves first,
then they can come in for the guns when the bullets are all gone.

that is the only way to take 300 million guns from 300 million people..
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Seriously...will the military decide to engage in a bloody war of attrition against their fathers, brothers, friends, or would it be easier for Sarge and his squad to round up a few thousand politicians, journalists, professors, community organizers, lawyers, judges, shrinks, etc...who would all collectively shit their slacks when their doors were broken down?We can only hope
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I understand all the "Treaties can't usurp the Constitution", and "congress will stop them", and "Obama would have a war on his hands if he does it". But what if he doesn't give a fuck and wants to speed up the clock on his totalitarian idea? What if he instigates this? What if by some god awful, they get this plan going? Don't dismiss the idea entirely, just believe that its improbable, not impossible.
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REALLY?? Obama has signed into LAW MORE executive Orders in just the 1st 4 yrs (& an ASS load this year & the end game) than ALL other presidents combined together.. And NOT once, not 1 bloody time has Congress or Senate even ONCE review ANY of them or removed them.. YET THAT quite literally is THEIR JOB.. not ignore them & let them just be NEW law, & destroy Constitution & rights, & sovereignty.. they are supposed to review, have hearings, etc. & removed them.. but they have NOT done so one Fing time.. THIS is VERY telling.. it is to be fully complicit & to not follow the basic guidelines of their job description, & the process.. & to then conspire. We can ALL say an unjust law is not a law,or an Unconstitutional Law is NOT a law.. but does not stop the over 46,000 Stop & frisks in NY daily.. the flash bang & no knock raids, the wrong house no warrant raid shot dog beat family & tear house apart anyway & then confiscate items, use them in court & actually prosecute & convict on those same items. illegal ALL the way.. but this shit happens all the time.

Locally in General District & Circuit Courts we have Judges that act under Color of Law & NOT the rule of law.. they ignore some laws when it suits them.. & then just make shit up on the fly.. THIS is daily life.. I have PROOF MY GD Court has been denying Citizens of MY district US Constitutional protections, due process, procedural process, & VA Constitution, & not following or abiding by the law.. AND the Judges who do NOT want to be appealed in the GD District, made up their own rules & so if U want to appeal only the Judge U want to appeal can hear any emergency motion or can authorize/sign to release your case file to Circuit so U may appeal there.. & remove jurisdiction.. because under the LAW that is your right (& I am just talking about MY civil cases, they fuck others more) .. I then found out from CC that THIS practice has gone on for OVER 22 yrs... this is then a Civil Rights violation of NO equal rights protections under the law that other citizens under US Constitution & VA Constitution enjoy because it is law.. here they deny it.. I am told by locals not to push it because the Cheif judge of our General District Court is the DRUG king pin around here.. WFT.. and old people in church now it. everyone knows it. He used to be Head Commonwealths attorney here & then make Judge & is now GD Chief Judge, he is dirty & in court room even denys people the right to an attorney.. I know, he did it to me (so U R getting 1st person.. no uncle). He makes Incentives for keeping his docket full, & so makes people come back over & over again.. That court also does juvenile & truancy & we have the Schools to jail/prison pipeline.. it is F ed up.. & yet I am a city girl & only out here 3 yrs.. but I want to fight injustice & do what is right, & they say it will get me killed or in jail or they will mess w/ my kids.. so look at how messed up things are locally & go up & up.. because also in my local EVERYONE is going for higher office all the time.. Governor, States Attorney General, etc.. they all move up & up.. & all won't get involved as need to move up, into State rep or senator, or then again now all running to go to DC.. so won't do shit. Can't because it is always an election year somewhere..
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Did anyone actually go and read the ATT? ( [link to treaties.un.org] I'm in no way a fan of UN or Barry nor defending their positions. I did read the ATT from the UN's website and I have a hard time seeing where this affects or is written to affect the Constitution and rights of American citizens.
Everything in the treaty itself appears to be addressing the import/export of conventional arms and munitions. The description of the 'national control system' is followed by 'to regulate the export of' in every statement. It states "For the purposes of this treaty, the activities of the international trade comprise export, import, transit, trans-shipment and brokering hereafter referred to as "transfer"". This doesn't infer "transfer" like FFL transfer.
I've read nothing that attempts to regulate a State's (which doesn't mean the individual United States, rather a UN member Party) internal National laws. It cannot regulate nor attempt to regulate a Parties national laws. It's attempting to regulate international weapons trade. I'm not here to argue; I'm 100% pro-gun. I just wanted to do the reading myself and see what the hub-bub was about. I find it hard to glean out of this document where anything that affects American citizens is implied, besides if you were trying to purchase arms from a foreign country.
If this is totally wrong, then please tell me. Believe me, I was just as pissed as the next guy reading the headline, but it didn't sound correct once I read it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't trust it but I'm not an attorney or the like so I may be missing something.
Now the International Small Arms Control Standards is a different ballgame, but the USA isn't listed as a member.
[link to www.smallarmsstandards.org]
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just looking for 2nd, 3rd opinion etc...
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Don't get worked up, WE HAVE ALREADY WON. There is only one outcome. Life always sides with freedom. You cannot cage life and make it bow to your demands. Life is freedom and life always finds a way to escape domination. What they are trying to do, is akin to waging war on gravity, or the tide. What they are going to try simply cannot succeed, no way no how. WE HAVE ALREADY WON.