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Vegetarians almost have it right....

 
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Vegetarians almost have it right....
I agree with the concept that animals are to be treated with dignity and respect.

I believe that the mass production and slaughter of animals is inhumane and cruel.

However, being the health/fitness junkie that I am, I would be at a loss if animal protein was not a regular part of my diet. This is not up for debate, it is based purely off of my own experience, through trial and error, and research.

Even some meat eaters have it wrong. They think hunting a wild animal is cruel, yet they have no problem eating meat from the supermarket - not having a clue where it comes from, how the animals were treated, their diet, and the hormones they are injected with.

The worst part is the torment and fear that these slaughterhouse animals have to live in. The chickens grow so big, so fast, that their legs cannot support them and they can't walk, so they flop around on the ground. That's no life for any creature, whether they are being raised as food or otherwise.

My point is that too many people see eating meat vs not eating meat as a black and white issue.

If only we could treat every animal with respect and be thankful that they gave their life for our health and well being, as part of the circle of life.

Look to predators in the wild: when they are hungry, they hunt, eat, and that's the end of it. There's no torture, there's no steroids. The animals who get preyed upon get to live a natural life in the wild.

I've noticed that many vegetarians choose to be because they don't agree with how the animals are treated.

But I don't think that "not eating meat" is the best answer for mankind. If it works for you, then by all means, refrain from eating meat. I will not judge someone for making that choice. But I expect not to be judged for choosing to eat meat. My meat comes from humane and natural sources, and that includes when I eat out at a restaurant. I have my regular, local places to eat and I will never again touch fast food or supermarket meat. Watch any slaughterhouse video, and likely you'll feel the same way.
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I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
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I forgot to mention all the fruit i eat, but its lots
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they don't seem to realize plants are alive. they are living beings. and they are the reason we are alive today. they give us oxygen. without plants and trees we would not have evolved
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
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I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
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Smart person here. ^^cheer
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they don't seem to realize plants are alive. they are living beings. and they are the reason we are alive today. they give us oxygen. without plants and trees we would not have evolved
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And you seem to not see the difference between life and consciousness. It's possible to have life without having consciousness (plants, minerals, insects etc.). We can eat those things without causing suffering, mammals on the other hand are conscious and feel the same things humans feel. I would never argue that their level of consciousness is at the level of a human but it's close enough that I don't want to eat them.
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they don't seem to realize plants are alive. they are living beings. and they are the reason we are alive today. they give us oxygen. without plants and trees we would not have evolved
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And you seem to not see the difference between life and consciousness. It's possible to have life without having consciousness (plants, minerals, insects etc.). We can eat those things without causing suffering, mammals on the other hand are conscious and feel the same things humans feel. I would never argue that their level of consciousness is at the level of a human but it's close enough that I don't want to eat them.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
 Quoting: HollywoodDazzler1


I'm sure I could lose weight and look OK if I ate a vegan/vegetarian diet.

But how much quinoa and lentals and hemp would I need to consume to get my 200g of protein daily?

I already struggle with getting enough protein, that I need to suppliment with whey protein on top of my meals.

I tried to go vegetarian for just over one week and I noticed an immediate reduction in my strength. suddenly I couldn't do a single chin-up, my deadlift dropped by almost 50lbs. I felt depleted and depressed, I even cried at the gym (just to show you how passionate I am lol).

The vast majority of bodybuilders who try vegan/vegetarian do not stick to it, because it didn't work. If it did, more people would be doing it.

If it works for you and your goals, then good for you. The nice thing about being human, is that we have the knowledge and freedom to choose.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
There's a source for every animal protein we need: Human breast milk. Why do you think women have 2 tits? one for baby, one for father.
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Complete vege protein chains...

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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
Vegetarians are vile, soulless monsters, slaughtering plants to feed their gluttonous appetites.

That's why I devised my own Non-Killetarian diet of eating only fruits, nuts, milk, honey, and stone crab legs.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
 Quoting: HollywoodDazzler1


You could eat all that and it will taste like shit, and give you the shits... Or you could eat a steak... I think the choice is quite clear.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
OP you're right, it is your choice. But I've done it both ways and here is what I found..

Building muscle while eating meat is much quicker. You rebuild faster, you have a faster energy boost....

Eating vegetarian is a more difficult regiment for working out as it will take a little longer to build.. but it builds better and lasts longer!

Vegan body builders always say getting to the point they want to get to is hard work but the muscle and strength stays longer...

Your choice, but meat is more of a crutch than you realize.
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In other words, train your body to run on plants and if you ever do have meat, your body will treat it like rocket fuel and you'll get insane boosts.

You can't go the other way with a meat diet. Run your body on meet all the time and try to run on veggies and of course you're going to be sluggish.

It's not easy, but it pays off in the long run (if something happens to meat production you'll wish your body was built mostly from seeds, nuts and natural things, cause that's what you'll be foraging for!
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I agree with the concept that animals are to be treated with dignity and respect.

I believe that the mass production and slaughter of animals is inhumane and cruel.

However, being the health/fitness junkie that I am, I would be at a loss if animal protein was not a regular part of my diet. This is not up for debate, it is based purely off of my own experience, through trial and error, and research.

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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
 Quoting: HollywoodDazzler1


You could eat all that and it will taste like shit, and give you the shits... Or you could eat a steak... I think the choice is quite clear.
 Quoting: Marax


Taste like shit?

You can prepare the above foods in so many different ways its a culinary masterpiece.. try cooking with this stuff you might be shocked.
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Vanish, And He'll make you shine like the sun
Fall, And He'll raise you to the heavens
Become nothing, And He'll turn you into everything.”
-Rumi

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
-Jesus (luke 17:21)
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
Our brains evolved to grow on not only the proteins but the enzymes you can only get from meat.
Humans went from herbivores to omnivores in a very short period.
You can replace/substitute the protein but you can't replace/substitute the enzymes.
There is nothing wrong with being Vegan if your body and mind can handle it.
The only meat I eat is from game I take myself or the occasional beef I get from a local farmer in trade for a turkey or some other game bird.
The mass slaughtered beef and bird are shit and full of stuff you wouldn't feed your worst enemies dog.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
they don't seem to realize plants are alive. they are living beings. and they are the reason we are alive today. they give us oxygen. without plants and trees we would not have evolved
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And you seem to not see the difference between life and consciousness. It's possible to have life without having consciousness (plants, minerals, insects etc.). We can eat those things without causing suffering, mammals on the other hand are conscious and feel the same things humans feel. I would never argue that their level of consciousness is at the level of a human but it's close enough that I don't want to eat them.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
 Quoting: HollywoodDazzler1


you can also remove the heart of aborted human fetuses and use them instead of egg whites if animal cruelty offends you...
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they don't seem to realize plants are alive. they are living beings. and they are the reason we are alive today. they give us oxygen. without plants and trees we would not have evolved
 Quoting: Nachos


And you seem to not see the difference between life and consciousness. It's possible to have life without having consciousness (plants, minerals, insects etc.). We can eat those things without causing suffering, mammals on the other hand are conscious and feel the same things humans feel. I would never argue that their level of consciousness is at the level of a human but it's close enough that I don't want to eat them.
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wow thats really interesting. i dont think i can eat salad anymore. i saw a homeless man in a wheelchair in LA having a full blown conversation with a plant.

maybe he wasnt crazy? ima go try n listen to some plants tomorrow
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I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
 Quoting: HollywoodDazzler1



Sounds good.

You may want to add some broccoli and cabbage (sulfur, important for the production of glutathione) to your diet, and potatoes (alpha lipon acid).
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
you can eat the fruit of plants without killing the whole plant.
you cannot eat part of an animal without killing the complex animal flesh.
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I agree with the concept that animals are to be treated with dignity and respect.

I believe that the mass production and slaughter of animals is inhumane and cruel.

However, being the health/fitness junkie that I am, I would be at a loss if animal protein was not a regular part of my diet. This is not up for debate, it is based purely off of my own experience, through trial and error, and research.

Even some meat eaters have it wrong. They think hunting a wild animal is cruel, yet they have no problem eating meat from the supermarket - not having a clue where it comes from, how the animals were treated, their diet, and the hormones they are injected with.

The worst part is the torment and fear that these slaughterhouse animals have to live in. The chickens grow so big, so fast, that their legs cannot support them and they can't walk, so they flop around on the ground. That's no life for any creature, whether they are being raised as food or otherwise.

My point is that too many people see eating meat vs not eating meat as a black and white issue.

If only we could treat every animal with respect and be thankful that they gave their life for our health and well being, as part of the circle of life.

Look to predators in the wild: when they are hungry, they hunt, eat, and that's the end of it. There's no torture, there's no steroids. The animals who get preyed upon get to live a natural life in the wild.

I've noticed that many vegetarians choose to be because they don't agree with how the animals are treated.

But I don't think that "not eating meat" is the best answer for mankind. If it works for you, then by all means, refrain from eating meat. I will not judge someone for making that choice. But I expect not to be judged for choosing to eat meat. My meat comes from humane and natural sources, and that includes when I eat out at a restaurant. I have my regular, local places to eat and I will never again touch fast food or supermarket meat. Watch any slaughterhouse video, and likely you'll feel the same way.
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I whole heartedly agree with this statement. We raise veg in our 12 raised beds, started from seed in our greenhouse. I can like a mad woman and dehydrate as well. We raise chickens and rabbits for meat, eggs, and fertilizer in the garden. We source our meat, dairy, from responsible farmers and other sources. We also hunt game and fish as well as harvest nuts and fruit from orchards during the appropriate times.

I've tried (as with the fam), to go full veg. It just depleats us way to much. It's all about balance, and choosing the correct foods to consume. Eating like we did 150 years ago.
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Re: Vegetarians almost have it right....
I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
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Do you supplement with b12? You can only get that through animal sources.
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you can eat the fruit of plants without killing the whole plant.
you cannot eat part of an animal without killing the complex animal flesh.
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Well, you can get the milk from an animal without hurting it. And you can make butter and yogurt with it.
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you can eat the fruit of plants without killing the whole plant.
you cannot eat part of an animal without killing the complex animal flesh.
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Well, you can get the milk from an animal without hurting it. And you can make butter and yogurt with it.
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And you can get eggs from a chicken. Nothing is hurt there since it isn't a chick yet.
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I work out a lot at the gym...

My diet - Lentils, Quinoa, Almonds, Hemp Seeds, Olive Oil, Grape seed Oil, Spinach, Tomatoes, Onions, Garlic, Butternut Squash, Rice.

Lentils + Quonia + Almonds + Hemp seeds = All protein you need

If you dont want to be vegan, you can also eat egg whites for protein and yogurt.

Its possible to work out regularly and be a vegan/vegeterian and be in great shape.
 Quoting: HollywoodDazzler1


I'm sure I could lose weight and look OK if I ate a vegan/vegetarian diet.

But how much quinoa and lentals and hemp would I need to consume to get my 200g of protein daily?

I already struggle with getting enough protein, that I need to suppliment with whey protein on top of my meals.

I tried to go vegetarian for just over one week and I noticed an immediate reduction in my strength. suddenly I couldn't do a single chin-up, my deadlift dropped by almost 50lbs. I felt depleted and depressed, I even cried at the gym (just to show you how passionate I am lol).

The vast majority of bodybuilders who try vegan/vegetarian do not stick to it, because it didn't work. If it did, more people would be doing it.

If it works for you and your goals, then good for you. The nice thing about being human, is that we have the knowledge and freedom to choose.
 Quoting: FooledMeOnce


I think it would just be better to go slowly. Keep your animal protein but add in more vegetarian foods. Then it wouldn't be such a shock. I eat mainly vegetarian during the day and have some animal protein in the evening.
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Watch the movie "Forks over Knives" or "The Engine 2 Kitchen Rescue" (Written by a firefighter)

Eating too much meat can cause a variety of health problems
etc. You can still get plenty of protein without eating fatty meat.
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