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This just... I don't have words for this. Came in an email to me today.
We are going to way of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Back in 1975, my youth pastor said that soon, Christians will be persecuted in this country. I though he was insane.
Turns out, he was right.

NEW MEXICO SUPREME COURT RULING:

CHRISTIAN PHOTOGRAPHER CANNOT REFUSE GAY-MARRIAGE CEREMONY


Today the New Mexico Supreme Court ruled that Christian photographers cannot decline to participate in gay-marriage commitment ceremonies, even though that state does not have gay marriage and the court acknowledged that providing services for the ceremony violated the Christian's sincerely-held, traditional religious beliefs. This becomes one of the first major cases where religious liberty collides with gay rights, and could now go to the Supreme Court of the United States.

Elane Huguenin is a photographer in New Mexico. She and her husband Jonathan jointly own their family business, Elane Photography. Specifically, Elane is a photojournalist-using a carefully-planned series of photographs to tell a story and convey a message. She is also a devout Christian, who believes that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.

In 2006, Vanessa Willock contacted Elane Photography, asking Elane to photograph her lesbian commitment ceremony. It was a private commitment ceremony because New Mexico recognizes neither gay marriage nor gay civil unions. Elane thanked Willock for her interest, but explained that due to her religious beliefs she only does traditional weddings.

Willock filed a complaint against Elane with the New Mexico Human Rights Commission, citing a state law that does not allow discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The commission ruled Elane's decision illegal, and imposed a fine of $7,000 to cover legal fees.

Elane took this matter to court, represented by Jordan Lorence of the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF). The trial court upheld the fine, as did the court of appeals.

The New Mexico Supreme Court has now affirmed the lower courts, holding that Elane Photography is a "public accommodation," and because they photograph wedding ceremonies they cannot refuse a gay-commitment ceremony (even if it is not a legal wedding).

In a concurring opinion, Justice Richard Bosson wrote Elane and Jonathan:

... now are compelled by law to compromise the very religious beliefs that inspire their lives
... the result is sobering. It will no doubt leave a tangible mark on the Huguenins and others of similar views.

... At its heart, this case teaches that at some point in our lives all of us must compromise, if only a little, to accommodate the contrasting values of others. A multicultural, pluralistic society, one of our nation's strengths, demands no less. The Huguenins are free to ... pray to the God of their choice ... But there is a price, one that we all have to pay somewhere in our civic life.

Bosson goes on to say having to violate your religious beliefs when they conflict with social issues like gay marriage "is the price of citizenship."


In response to today's decision, Lorence said in an ADF statement:
Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country. This decision is a blow to our client and to every American's right to live free. Decisions like this undermine the constitutionally protected freedoms of expression and conscience that we have all taken for granted. America was founded on the fundamental freedom of every citizen to live and work according to their beliefs and not to be compelled by the government to express ideas and messages they decline to support. We are considering our next steps, including asking the U.S. Supreme Court to right this wrong.

A recent Rasmussen poll showed that 85% of Americans support the right of a religious photographer not to participate in a gay-marriage ceremony.

A petition to the U.S. Supreme Court asking for review is due by mid-November.

Breitbart News legal columnist Ken Klukowski is senior fellow for religious liberty at the Family Research Council and on faculty at Liberty University School of Law. Follow him on Twitter @Kenklukowski.
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just screw up the pictures, pun intended. That'll stop this nonsense.
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
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That's what's going to happen.

This will probably go to the supreme court and get struck down.
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
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She was standing up for what she believed in. I men really, is that the right answer? Are we so far gone that Christians now have to lie so they wont be persecuted?

But apparently its come this: in Amerika you DARE not mention that you are against the sodomites or you will PAY.

Christian persecution. It's here. I never thought I would live to see the day that my youth pastor was right so long ago in 1975.

And it's going to get worse. Soon teaching that homosexuality is a sin in church will be hate speech.

And all the state-controlled 501(c)3 Churches will roll over on their backs and do what they are told.
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
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That's what's going to happen.

This will probably go to the supreme court and get struck down.
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don't count on that with a sodomite in office. Just look what happened to the defense of marriage act.

It's time for Christians to wake up.
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pathetic american garbage does not know that homos are above the law
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Any link to support this?

I find this difficult to believe. A private business has every right to deny a potentially customer.

Such as signs in stores and restaurants that say, "no shoes, no shirt, no service and ones" that say "we reserve to the right to deny you service" (or something along that idea).

This is unexceptable if true.
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
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She was standing up for what she believed in. I men really, is that the right answer? Are we so far gone that Christians now have to lie so they wont be persecuted?

But apparently its come this: in Amerika you DARE not mention that you are against the sodomites or you will PAY.

Christian persecution. It's here. I never thought I would live to see the day that my youth pastor was right so long ago in 1975.

And it's going to get worse. Soon teaching that homosexuality is a sin in church will be hate speech.

And all the state-controlled 501(c)3 Churches will roll over on their backs and do what they are told.
 Quoting: ITZCOMING


I'm a Christian and I completely agree with you. However, we are told to be wise a serpents along with as bold as lions. I believe, particularly these days, that declining the event by saying you are booked is a very valid way to handle these situations.
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all the photog has to say is "ok, i'll do it, but the customer has to pay a $10,000 dollar homo surcharge"
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
 Quoting: Anon 4191509


She was standing up for what she believed in. I men really, is that the right answer? Are we so far gone that Christians now have to lie so they wont be persecuted?

But apparently its come this: in Amerika you DARE not mention that you are against the sodomites or you will PAY.

Christian persecution. It's here. I never thought I would live to see the day that my youth pastor was right so long ago in 1975.

And it's going to get worse. Soon teaching that homosexuality is a sin in church will be hate speech.

And all the state-controlled 501(c)3 Churches will roll over on their backs and do what they are told.
 Quoting: ITZCOMING


I'm a Christian and I completely agree with you. However, we are told to be wise a serpents along with as bold as lions. I believe, particularly these days, that declining the event by saying you are booked is a very valid way to handle these situations.
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No. no. no.

We are never told to lie. What you are describing is situational ethics.

We are to be wise, not liars.

Meanwhile, I'll look for a link.
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Here is the link:

[link to www.breitbart.com]
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Smart move getting a wedding photographer under duress. I'm guessing the photos won't turn out as well as they hoped.
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
 Quoting: Anon 4191509


She was standing up for what she believed in. I men really, is that the right answer? Are we so far gone that Christians now have to lie so they wont be persecuted?

But apparently its come this: in Amerika you DARE not mention that you are against the sodomites or you will PAY.

Christian persecution. It's here. I never thought I would live to see the day that my youth pastor was right so long ago in 1975.

And it's going to get worse. Soon teaching that homosexuality is a sin in church will be hate speech.

And all the state-controlled 501(c)3 Churches will roll over on their backs and do what they are told.
 Quoting: ITZCOMING


I'm a Christian and I completely agree with you. However, we are told to be wise a serpents along with as bold as lions. I believe, particularly these days, that declining the event by saying you are booked is a very valid way to handle these situations.
 Quoting: Anon 4191509


No. no. no.

We are never told to lie. What you are describing is situational ethics.

We are to be wise, not liars.

Meanwhile, I'll look for a link.
 Quoting: ITZCOMING


That's a valid point, but being potentially legally liable for refusing to participate in evil is, I believe, one of the few situations where it is an option. There are examples in scripture. I don't believe that anyone is obligated to tell the truth to someone who is trying to use the force of law to get you to participate in perversion. There are ways to professional turn down the job without incriminating yourself.

I agree the first priority is to get this nonsense overturned.
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I'm not Christian but this is really wrong. Don't you have the right to refuse? Would a homosexual be able to refuse doing something for heterosexuals? This country is beyond screwed.
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Clear First Amendment issue of religion. NM Supreme Court didn't want to be the ones to rule against gays vs. religion, to they kicked it to SCOTUS.

Question: If this was a MUSLIM photographer, does anyone believe it would have ever gotten this far?

Does anyone believe the lesbians would have dared sue a Muslim photographer in the first place?

And yet - Christians will tell the lesbians they are going to hell, while Muslims will cut the lesbian's heads off after raping them.

So much for the integrity of "gay rights" - LOL!
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Any link to support this?

I find this difficult to believe. A private business has every right to deny a potentially customer.

Such as signs in stores and restaurants that say, "no shoes, no shirt, no service and ones" that say "we reserve to the right to deny you service" (or something along that idea).

This is unexceptable if true.
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It's a little more complicated than that. You can't, for example, run an ice cream store and refuse to serve blacks. There are limits to your "right" to refuse service. Opening up what is called a "public accomodation" as a business means you have agreed to serve the entirety of the public, except for those parts of the public that are violating the law.

The issue here - the fundamental issue - is that the Court is ACTUALLY ruling that homosexuality is innate - that people are born with it, like skin color, and so respecting its existence is a human right.

Of course, this is precisely what has not been proven, and what Christians, Muslims and others deny. They say that homosexuality is a choice, and that therefore they should not have to respect choices that go against their religious beliefs.

The second-level issue is whether sexual choices can be discriminated against, if those choices are legal to begin with. Thye argument being that legal choices are protected from discrimination.

The third-level argument is the protection of artistic process. Photography is not an ice cream cone. Huge amounts of skill, training and talent go into it. To compel an artist to create is to legitimize artistic slavery.

The fourth-level argument is the first level of the actual ruling - what a business, particularly an incorporated business, can or cannot do. because a corporation is literally a slave of the government - it has no "freedom," only privileges that it is granted. so ultimately, the Court is saying that you can agree or disagree with the ruling, but it doesn't matter, because a corporation has to do what its told no matter what, and human beings in a corporation are merely corporate workers who are likewise bound to obey the government.

So see, this is a huge bag of worms - and we're not even talking about the social issues that the lesbians claim they are doing this about. For them to pick on some poor Christian photographer was cruel as shit, and they know it.

And the brave lesbians certainly did not look for a Muslim photographer! LOL!
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Any link to support this?

I find this difficult to believe. A private business has every right to deny a potentially customer.

Such as signs in stores and restaurants that say, "no shoes, no shirt, no service and ones" that say "we reserve to the right to deny you service" (or something along that idea).

This is unexceptable if true.
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Exactly. How the fuck is a private business somehow a "public accommodation?"
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This just... I don't have words for this. Came in an email to me today.
We are going to way of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Back in 1975, my youth pastor said that soon, Christians will be persecuted in this country. I though he was insane.
Turns out, he was right.

NEW MEXICO SUPREME COURT RULING:

CHRISTIAN PHOTOGRAPHER CANNOT REFUSE GAY-MARRIAGE CEREMONY


Today the New Mexico Supreme Court ruled that Christian photographers cannot decline to participate in gay-marriage commitment ceremonies, even though that state does not have gay marriage and the court acknowledged that providing services for the ceremony violated the Christian's sincerely-held, traditional religious beliefs. This becomes one of the first major cases where religious liberty collides with gay rights, and could now go to the Supreme Court of the United States.

Elane Huguenin is a photographer in New Mexico. She and her husband Jonathan jointly own their family business, Elane Photography. Specifically, Elane is a photojournalist-using a carefully-planned series of photographs to tell a story and convey a message. She is also a devout Christian, who believes that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.

In 2006, Vanessa Willock contacted Elane Photography, asking Elane to photograph her lesbian commitment ceremony. It was a private commitment ceremony because New Mexico recognizes neither gay marriage nor gay civil unions. Elane thanked Willock for her interest, but explained that due to her religious beliefs she only does traditional weddings.

Willock filed a complaint against Elane with the New Mexico Human Rights Commission, citing a state law that does not allow discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The commission ruled Elane's decision illegal, and imposed a fine of $7,000 to cover legal fees.

Elane took this matter to court, represented by Jordan Lorence of the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF). The trial court upheld the fine, as did the court of appeals.

The New Mexico Supreme Court has now affirmed the lower courts, holding that Elane Photography is a "public accommodation," and because they photograph wedding ceremonies they cannot refuse a gay-commitment ceremony (even if it is not a legal wedding).

In a concurring opinion, Justice Richard Bosson wrote Elane and Jonathan:

... now are compelled by law to compromise the very religious beliefs that inspire their lives
... the result is sobering. It will no doubt leave a tangible mark on the Huguenins and others of similar views.

... At its heart, this case teaches that at some point in our lives all of us must compromise, if only a little, to accommodate the contrasting values of others. A multicultural, pluralistic society, one of our nation's strengths, demands no less. The Huguenins are free to ... pray to the God of their choice ... But there is a price, one that we all have to pay somewhere in our civic life.

Bosson goes on to say having to violate your religious beliefs when they conflict with social issues like gay marriage "is the price of citizenship."


In response to today's decision, Lorence said in an ADF statement:
Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country. This decision is a blow to our client and to every American's right to live free. Decisions like this undermine the constitutionally protected freedoms of expression and conscience that we have all taken for granted. America was founded on the fundamental freedom of every citizen to live and work according to their beliefs and not to be compelled by the government to express ideas and messages they decline to support. We are considering our next steps, including asking the U.S. Supreme Court to right this wrong.

A recent Rasmussen poll showed that 85% of Americans support the right of a religious photographer not to participate in a gay-marriage ceremony.

A petition to the U.S. Supreme Court asking for review is due by mid-November.

Breitbart News legal columnist Ken Klukowski is senior fellow for religious liberty at the Family Research Council and on faculty at Liberty University School of Law. Follow him on Twitter @Kenklukowski.
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I am certainly not one who support homosexual life styles, but taking pictures of their private event and getting paid for it, I can not see a problem here, except in some ones head. Hell, after you are paid and given all the negatives to them. Then don't keep any records, you paid already-fool.
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Its cause he accepts federal reserve notes
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So take the damn picture. You don't have to go home with them. A job's a job.
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I'm confused as to why anyone would actually WANT someone to take wedding photos under duress....
This doesn't pass the smell test, methinks it's just a setup to take more rights away from US citizens.
Now you no longer have the right to observe the rules of your chosen religion if it "offends" someone.
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im confused as to why he cant just say I don't want to do the job for non disclosed reason.

end of.

you really don't have to accept a contract with someone if you don't want to.

you don't even have to have a reason not to accept a contract.


this is basically creating a contract under duress.

and the contract is null and void.

also meaning the photographer doesn't even have to give them the pictures and neither do they have to honor any other forced agreements made.

if the fundamental principle of this is allowed to occur it undermines the whole legal nature of a contract.
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im confused as to why he cant just say I don't want to do the job for non disclosed reason.

end of.

you really don't have to accept a contract with someone if you don't want to.

you don't even have to have a reason not to accept a contract.


this is basically creating a contract under duress.

and the contract is null and void.

also meaning the photographer doesn't even have to give them the pictures and neither do they have to honor any other forced agreements made.

if the fundamental principle of this is allowed to occur it undermines the whole legal nature of a contract.
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but I really doubt any of you will have the brains to comprehend what it really occurring here and how the gay issue is nothing more than a mask to deceive you into focussing on the wrong aspect.
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No shirt,No shoes,Two Dicks,No Service.
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You have the right to contract to whom you will. To be coerced into a contract against your will is involuntary servitude and is in violation of the 13th amendment of the constitution which is the highest law of the land.
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While the ruling is completely unconstitutional, these cases continue to baffle me.

Why don't people just say they're booked or otherwise unable to work the event??
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At least put up the "We reserve the right to refuse Service" sign on the door and post it on the web site! It's been covering restaurants & stores for years even in the courts. As soon as you bring religion or gay into it, you've opened yourself up to all this BS. Next step, after they bring on the lawsuit sue them in civil court for defamation of character.
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Land of the fees, do what we say- or we will fine you!

I would take blurry pictures, and cut off the heads in the pictures, lots of zoom in picts of nostrils, etc.
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Tell everyone to strip and line up for the boudoir photos.

Or sleep in your clothes for a week or two & show up drunk off your ass. With a $5.00 throw away camera.
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They should say yes, show up to wedding, take pics of feet and give that to them, when they complain, return their money.
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satan is a homo

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