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I have proof Terence Mckenna was a undercover agent.

 
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OP, cry shills at every response that doesn't fit with your anti Mckenna ideology but I doubt you can logical talk to me about this topic. I think I'm out to prove to you, that your own stupidity has gotten to you.

OP:
You're telling people to stop riding the T.Mckenna horse, to get down and take a rational look at the information you've provided: deconstructing what he said in the vague context it was said in, it leaves no actual solid answer. You've made an assumption, at best.

You have no substantial evidence or key tones, I believe it is you that needs to step of your horse.
You're quick to hate on people who love him, yet you take no time to condemn yourself for hating him yourself. Your own logic is fallible and is partly ironic

I'm trying to be objective here, because, we are talking about psychedelics. Drug(s) I believe are consciousness expanding and not the opposite.(Questionable if you've ever had any: Psychedelics don't take kindly to your obviously apparent ego)

I think you're either a shill, very misguided or you just have a underlining compulsive hatred for T.M because absolutely nothing you have posted, linked or quoted really solidifies your original thesis. In fact, looking at the bigger picture (and not specifically the audio grab/context) I'm left attempting to make sense of anything you're trying to put forth.

Take a step back from your own ego.

I'm being very nice, I believe, your post are self explanatory and a indication of your intelligence level.
Also, flaming people, doesn't give you any extra room to tread.

TL;DR
You're a retard.
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OP:
You're telling people to stop riding the T.Mckenna horse, to get down and take a rational look at the information you've provided: deconstructing what he said in the vague context it was said in, it leaves no actual solid answer. You've made an assumption, at best.

You have no substantial evidence or key tones, I believe it is you that needs to step of your horse.
You're quick to hate on people who love him, yet you take no time to condemn yourself for hating him yourself. Your own logic is fallible and is partly ironic

I'm trying to be objective here, because, we are talking about psychedelics. Drug(s) I believe are consciousness expanding and not the opposite.(Questionable if you've ever had any: Psychedelics don't take kindly to your obviously apparent ego)

I think you're either a shill, very misguided or you just have a underlining compulsive hatred for T.M because absolutely nothing you have posted, linked or quoted really solidifies your original thesis. In fact, looking at the bigger picture (and not specifically the audio grab/context) I'm left attempting to make sense of anything you're trying to put forth.

Take a step back from your own ego.

I'm being very nice, I believe, your post are self explanatory and a indication of your intelligence level.
Also, flaming people, doesn't give you any extra room to tread.

TL;DR
You're a retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28706544



I am sure Terence provided insightful substance. I do not hate people for listening to someone.

Your are correct, they are conscious expanding but can also be used for manipulation.

I understand your ego reference and I am actually a fan of psychedelics so I do not think you are a very good judge of much.

I do not hate Terence. I just bought one of his books and I may by another. Stop telling me who I Hate and dont hate.

I am only interested in figuring out how we have been deceived.

Nice Ad hominem attack.
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can someone explain how they would use LSD as a "control"?

because anyone I've met has been awakened by this drug. same with mushrooms, DMT, and other similar psychedelics. I just don't understand how McKenna would be controlled opposition, what is there to control?

not doubting the audio it sounds 100% like his voice but I just don't understand what the FBI/CIA would even need him for. or Leary?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


I am still trying to grasp the full understanding as well. I think it has to do with creating apathetic people.

Just like the new age movement teaches people not to be active and instead of exposing the evil, just meditate and don't think about negative things.

same with

"Turn on tune in drop out"

creates passive people.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


Bullshit.
As one who has had a full on Awakening through using entheogens I can assure you that they are not tools of the CIA.
For example- DMT is found NATURALLY in our brains, blood, and urine. These compounds are also ubiquitous in NATURE, and are the ONLY real Magic on the planet.

And if you have not properly experienced the effects of said compounds??? You need to STFU. Otherwise you are only talking out your ASS.

Namaste
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Arrgh

I hate this shit. Does anyone really think anybody who isnt part of the elite will get a voice as loud as his? Of course he was controlled opp, they control the entirety of the scientific community. Even if they do not realize they are being controlled there are sophisticated mechanisims to ensure the suppression of damaging information and the advancment of compartmentalized science. Where one article sites another as evidence and enough bandwagon and it becomes so. look how much of what we know is later refuted but people of the times argue it as fact. What you can belive is that every day from the majority of the content we read, hear, and see is manipulated. Use ultimate decression when deciphering these sources. Dont be fooled, its obvious it hapens here as well.
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I agree stoner
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You guys forget that a large portion of the "government's" agenda is to gather data and perform experiments on human behavior.

Psychedelics are severe modifier of behavior, due to being server modifiers of thought.

Terrance is the kind of supreme nut who could have been talking about both the mushrooms AND the government recruiting him. He was acutely aware of the multiplicity of all universal constructs (dude, the levels, man) and would enjoy that as a joke.

He was no prophet, however. He was a raving nut who occasionally mixed some good info in with his rantings - consciously or not.

It makes no difference if he worked for the G or not. Most of what he said is either useless or could be discovered by any high school student.

As for whether or not it's smart to take psychedelics, you have to judge for yourself. The information is out there and you 'd never want to take just ONE guy's opinion on anything :P
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As for McKenna and his jeweled elves, etc......These are the experiences of one who never really "got through the veil" to experience what God really is. I love Terence and he is a wonderful speaker...but he never experienced Enlightenment.

This may be blasphemous to McKenna fans.....but compare his "teachings" against someone like Alan Watts and you will instantly see what I mean.

Namaste
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can someone explain how they would use LSD as a "control"?

because anyone I've met has been awakened by this drug. same with mushrooms, DMT, and other similar psychedelics. I just don't understand how McKenna would be controlled opposition, what is there to control?

not doubting the audio it sounds 100% like his voice but I just don't understand what the FBI/CIA would even need him for. or Leary?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


I am still trying to grasp the full understanding as well. I think it has to do with creating apathetic people.

Just like the new age movement teaches people not to be active and instead of exposing the evil, just meditate and don't think about negative things.

same with

"Turn on tune in drop out"

creates passive people.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


Bullshit.
As one who has had a full on Awakening through using entheogens I can assure you that they are not tools of the CIA.
For example- DMT is found NATURALLY in our brains, blood, and urine. These compounds are also ubiquitous in NATURE, and are the ONLY real Magic on the planet.

And if you have not properly experienced the effects of said compounds??? You need to STFU. Otherwise you are only talking out your ASS.

Namaste
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14518082


You can not assure me without evidence.

I am aware what DMT is and where it was found.

Are you aware that all of these compounds were studied during MK-ultra?

All of these compounds have very positive uses connecting people with the source and stripping ego.

However they have been used for control as well and if you deny this you have not done the research.
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OP:
You're telling people to stop riding the T.Mckenna horse, to get down and take a rational look at the information you've provided: deconstructing what he said in the vague context it was said in, it leaves no actual solid answer. You've made an assumption, at best.

You have no substantial evidence or key tones, I believe it is you that needs to step of your horse.
You're quick to hate on people who love him, yet you take no time to condemn yourself for hating him yourself. Your own logic is fallible and is partly ironic

I'm trying to be objective here, because, we are talking about psychedelics. Drug(s) I believe are consciousness expanding and not the opposite.(Questionable if you've ever had any: Psychedelics don't take kindly to your obviously apparent ego)

I think you're either a shill, very misguided or you just have a underlining compulsive hatred for T.M because absolutely nothing you have posted, linked or quoted really solidifies your original thesis. In fact, looking at the bigger picture (and not specifically the audio grab/context) I'm left attempting to make sense of anything you're trying to put forth.

Take a step back from your own ego.

I'm being very nice, I believe, your post are self explanatory and a indication of your intelligence level.
Also, flaming people, doesn't give you any extra room to tread.

TL;DR
You're a retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28706544



I am sure Terence provided insightful substance. I do not hate people for listening to someone.

Your are correct, they are conscious expanding but can also be used for manipulation.

I understand your ego reference and I am actually a fan of psychedelics so I do not think you are a very good judge of much.

I do not hate Terence. I just bought one of his books and I may by another. Stop telling me who I Hate and dont hate.

I am only interested in figuring out how we have been deceived.

Nice Ad hominem attack.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


If you're sure, then there is no doubt.
Manipulation is for the dumb(deaf), and that occurs with or without psychedelics.

If you understand then there is no need to continue my next response but you are far from ready for any real psychedelic journey.

Then why are you taking this clip completely and utterly out of context to support your campaign.
Every one with half a brain can see this is completely distorted to fit your views.

Like-wise.
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I'm off to sleep, I cannot be bothered to continue this conversation.

I cannot logically fathom how you've created this idea that you're trying to put across to glp members but to any people who get sucked into your idiocracy, I feel compassion for them.

Good luck.
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OP:
You're telling people to stop riding the T.Mckenna horse, to get down and take a rational look at the information you've provided: deconstructing what he said in the vague context it was said in, it leaves no actual solid answer. You've made an assumption, at best.

You have no substantial evidence or key tones, I believe it is you that needs to step of your horse.
You're quick to hate on people who love him, yet you take no time to condemn yourself for hating him yourself. Your own logic is fallible and is partly ironic

I'm trying to be objective here, because, we are talking about psychedelics. Drug(s) I believe are consciousness expanding and not the opposite.(Questionable if you've ever had any: Psychedelics don't take kindly to your obviously apparent ego)

I think you're either a shill, very misguided or you just have a underlining compulsive hatred for T.M because absolutely nothing you have posted, linked or quoted really solidifies your original thesis. In fact, looking at the bigger picture (and not specifically the audio grab/context) I'm left attempting to make sense of anything you're trying to put forth.

Take a step back from your own ego.

I'm being very nice, I believe, your post are self explanatory and a indication of your intelligence level.
Also, flaming people, doesn't give you any extra room to tread.

TL;DR
You're a retard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28706544



I am sure Terence provided insightful substance. I do not hate people for listening to someone.

Your are correct, they are conscious expanding but can also be used for manipulation.

I understand your ego reference and I am actually a fan of psychedelics so I do not think you are a very good judge of much.

I do not hate Terence. I just bought one of his books and I may by another. Stop telling me who I Hate and dont hate.

I am only interested in figuring out how we have been deceived.

Nice Ad hominem attack.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


If you're sure, then there is no doubt.
Manipulation is for the dumb(deaf), and that occurs with or without psychedelics.

If you understand then there is no need to continue my next response but you are far from ready for any real psychedelic journey.

Then why are you taking this clip completely and utterly out of context to support your campaign.
Every one with half a brain can see this is completely distorted to fit your views.

Like-wise.
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Lastly, some have actually tried to claim that the mushrooms recruited McKenna. To this we must apply some logical deduction and critical thinking:

1) Do mushrooms have organizations, deep background and public relations? Or does a spy agency?
2) What would a mushroom need with a public relations or propaganda department? Or is that something a spy agency agency would have?
3) Would mushrooms tell him the less said the better: “deep background positions about which the less said the better”, or is that something an agency would do?
4) Do mushrooms have “positions”? Or does an agency?
5) Are the mushrooms able to pay him because he’s out of money? Or is that something an agency could do? (remember he’s in trouble for smuggling)
6) Are mushrooms able to get him out of trouble with Interpol and the FBI for SMUGGLING? Or is that something an agency like the CIA or FBI could do?
7) Do mushrooms answer the story of what happened to him after his arrest? Or is that something that his employment as an agent would do?

When we understand that he was an agent, as he admits, then the contradictions are removed we don’t have to twist things into believing that magical mushroom beings or UFOs hired and payed him to work in their organization in public relations and deep background to the present – which he wasn’t allowed to discuss. These are things agencies do, not mushrooms or UFOs. Such a claim that the mushrooms recruited him is clearly ridiculous. The false claims of mushroom or aliens recruiting him is clearly a case of psychological cognitive dissonance and reaching for anything to avoid facing the facts which make one feel uncomfortable when they’re faced with new information that might reveal that they were fooled. Rather than dreaming up magical beings to avoid the facts and issues, just laugh it off and admit you were fooled by those people. This way next time it’s less likely to happen to you again.
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can someone explain how they would use LSD as a "control"?

because anyone I've met has been awakened by this drug. same with mushrooms, DMT, and other similar psychedelics. I just don't understand how McKenna would be controlled opposition, what is there to control?

not doubting the audio it sounds 100% like his voice but I just don't understand what the FBI/CIA would even need him for. or Leary?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


I am still trying to grasp the full understanding as well. I think it has to do with creating apathetic people.

Just like the new age movement teaches people not to be active and instead of exposing the evil, just meditate and don't think about negative things.

same with

"Turn on tune in drop out"

creates passive people.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


Bullshit.
As one who has had a full on Awakening through using entheogens I can assure you that they are not tools of the CIA.
For example- DMT is found NATURALLY in our brains, blood, and urine. These compounds are also ubiquitous in NATURE, and are the ONLY real Magic on the planet.

And if you have not properly experienced the effects of said compounds??? You need to STFU. Otherwise you are only talking out your ASS.

Namaste
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You can not assure me without evidence.

I am aware what DMT is and where it was found.

Are you aware that all of these compounds were studied during MK-ultra?

All of these compounds have very positive uses connecting people with the source and stripping ego.

However they have been used for control as well and if you deny this you have not done the research.
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OK I mispoke- I can see where the CIA would use hallucinogens for nefarious purposes.....like mind control. What I was trying to get across was that many of the compounds have been in Nature forever and are wonderful helpers in turning off the Ego....which is essential in finding your True Self.
Unfortunately it seems that only 1 in 500 get past the "pretty designs & colors" to the still spot deep inside of us all that is God.

Namaste
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I'm off to sleep, I cannot be bothered to continue this conversation.

I cannot logically fathom how you've created this idea that you're trying to put across to glp members but to any people who get sucked into your idiocracy, I feel compassion for them.

Good luck.
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No luck needed.

the role of drugs in the exercise of political control is also coming under increasing discussion. Control can be through prohibition or supply. The total or even partial prohibition of drugs gives the government considerable leverage for other types of control. An example would be the selective application of drug laws permitting immediate search, or “no knock” entry, against selected components of the population such as members of certain minority groups or political organizations.

But a government could also supply drugs to help control a population. This method, foreseen by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World (1932), has the governing element employing drugs selectively to manipulate the governed in various ways.

To a large extent the numerous rural and urban communes, which provide a great freedom for private drug use and where hallucinogens are widely used today, are actually subsidized by our society. Their perpetuation is aided by parental or other family remittances, welfare, and unemployment payments, and benign neglect by the police. In fact, it may be more convenient and perhaps even more economical to keep the growing numbers of chronic drug users (especially of the hallucinogens) fairly isolated and also out of the labor market, with its millions of unemployed. To society, the communards with their hallucinogenic drugs are probably less bothersome-and less expensive-if they are living apart, than if they are engaging in alternative modes of expressing their alienation, such as active, organized, vigorous political protest and dissent. […]
The hallucinogens presently comprise a moderate but significant portion of the total drug problem in Western society. The foregoing may provide a certain frame of reference against which not only the social but also the clinical problems created by these drugs can be considered.

~ Louis Jolyon West, Hallucinations: Behavior, Experience, and Theory. 1975. p. 298 ff.
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he Director of the Neurophyschiatric Institute and chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at UCLA, Dr. Louis Jolyon West was selected to run the center. Dr. West is alleged to have been a contract agent for the CIA, who, as part of a network of doctors and scientists, gathered intelligence on hallucinogenic drugs, including '___', for the super-secret MK-ULTRA program.

Dr. West was further known as the psychiatrist who was called upon to examine Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald's assassin. It was on the basis of West's diagnosis that Ruby was compelled to be treated for mental disorders and put on happy pills. The West examination was ordered after Ruby began to say that he was part of a right-wing conspiracy to kill President John Kennedy. Two years after the commencement of treatment for mental disorder, Ruby died of cancer in prison.
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Are you starting to get the picture?
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I am still trying to grasp the full understanding as well. I think it has to do with creating apathetic people.

Just like the new age movement teaches people not to be active and instead of exposing the evil, just meditate and don't think about negative things.

same with

"Turn on tune in drop out"

creates passive people.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


Bullshit.
As one who has had a full on Awakening through using entheogens I can assure you that they are not tools of the CIA.
For example- DMT is found NATURALLY in our brains, blood, and urine. These compounds are also ubiquitous in NATURE, and are the ONLY real Magic on the planet.

And if you have not properly experienced the effects of said compounds??? You need to STFU. Otherwise you are only talking out your ASS.

Namaste
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14518082


You can not assure me without evidence.

I am aware what DMT is and where it was found.

Are you aware that all of these compounds were studied during MK-ultra?

All of these compounds have very positive uses connecting people with the source and stripping ego.

However they have been used for control as well and if you deny this you have not done the research.
 Quoting: rexxturbo


OK I mispoke- I can see where the CIA would use hallucinogens for nefarious purposes.....like mind control. What I was trying to get across was that many of the compounds have been in Nature forever and are wonderful helpers in turning off the Ego....which is essential in finding your True Self.
Unfortunately it seems that only 1 in 500 get past the "pretty designs & colors" to the still spot deep inside of us all that is God.

Namaste
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I agree with this.
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You are an asshole. Terrence Mckenna was a great man and he is dead. Take your thread and your audio and go fuck yourself with a rusty barbwire covered alluminum bat.
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oh and I gave you another 1* Jerk!
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You are an asshole. Terrence Mckenna was a great man and he is dead. Take your thread and your audio and go fuck yourself with a rusty barbwire covered alluminum bat.
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“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”


Socrates

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oh and I gave you another 1* Jerk!
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“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”


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Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.


A debater commits the Ad Hominem Fallacy when he introduces irrelevant personal premisses about his opponent. Such red herrings may successfully distract the opponent or the audience from the topic of the debate.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
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Pin please.
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Pin please.
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Oh and can someone post the emperor but hurt pic, I think its justified.
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THE SHILL IS STRONG!

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Dude, don't be one of those posters who labels everyone who disagrees or posts a dissenting opinion as a 'shill'. That's lame and ruins the discussion....

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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op, have you actually read any of TM's novels?
WAR INSIDE MY HEAD.
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Rex-
Check out books by Martin W. Ball.
He has been ruthlessly attacked by McKenna groupies for telling the truth about Terence.

Sorry guys...but Terence never reached the sacred goal of entheogens, but got lost in his machine elves trip. But he made a good living talking about them!

In his later years after he let fear take hold he stopped tripping. But I respect him and appreciate how he led many people to try entheogens.

It's too bad...if anyone ever deserved to have a "God-Mode" experience it was Terence and his brother. They spent so much time in the jungle doing real work and science.

But even doing ayhuasca with the shamans can tend to pile alot of pre-conceived ideas into a voyage.....it's best to journey clean....w/o any expectations or religious beliefs to muck up the Truth.

Namaste
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THE SHILL IS STRONG!

moshpit
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Dude, don't be one of those posters who labels everyone who disagrees or posts a dissenting opinion as a 'shill'. That's lame and ruins the discussion....
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I am not. Just people who are not posting any evidence to the contrary. If I have I apologize. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between the shills and those that just disagree adamantly.
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op, have you actually read any of TM's novels?
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Only Food of the Gods, however I will probably read more. Like I said. I am not trying to say that everything he did was BS. Maybe just at a certain point of his life he was steered.

I would encourage people to read his work regardless. Just use critical thinking along the way.
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Re: I have proof Terence Mckenna was a undercover agent.
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Check out books by Martin W. Ball.
He has been ruthlessly attacked by McKenna groupies for telling the truth about Terence.

Sorry guys...but Terence never reached the sacred goal of entheogens, but got lost in his machine elves trip. But he made a good living talking about them!

In his later years after he let fear take hold he stopped tripping. But I respect him and appreciate how he led many people to try entheogens.

It's too bad...if anyone ever deserved to have a "God-Mode" experience it was Terence and his brother. They spent so much time in the jungle doing real work and science.

But even doing ayhuasca with the shamans can tend to pile alot of pre-conceived ideas into a voyage.....it's best to journey clean....w/o any expectations or religious beliefs to muck up the Truth.

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I have read some of Ball's work. I did not know that he was attacked by Mckenna fans. Exactly, many shamans use it for mind control as well. Shaman, magic, magistrate......
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op, have you actually read any of TM's novels?
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Only Food of the Gods, however I will probably read more. Like I said. I am not trying to say that everything he did was BS. Maybe just at a certain point of his life he was steered.

I would encourage people to read his work regardless. Just use critical thinking along the way.
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Food of the gods is an amazing book! I agree that governments will use these compounds for nefarious purposes.... But mckenna was not controlled opposition, he was truly a free thinker. Weird dude with ideas who never twisted an arm.
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