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op, have you actually read any of TM's novels?
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Only Food of the Gods, however I will probably read more. Like I said. I am not trying to say that everything he did was BS. Maybe just at a certain point of his life he was steered.

I would encourage people to read his work regardless. Just use critical thinking along the way.
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Food of the gods is an amazing book! I agree that governments will use these compounds for nefarious purposes.... But mckenna was not controlled opposition, he was truly a free thinker. Weird dude with ideas who never twisted an arm.
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How can you be so sure? My mother in law knows (feels) in her gut that Obama is truly a good person.
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Um,the 2012 bullshit
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Terrance and his bro taught thousands of people to grow their own sacrament.... From there its up to you. I don't believe in blindly following any ' guru'. But Terrance should be respected for his ideas
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Terrance and his bro taught thousands of people to grow their own sacrament.... From there its up to you. I don't believe in blindly following any ' guru'. But Terrance should be respected for his ideas
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I do respect him for some of his ideas. But its not out of the question that he was controlled at one point.
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Um,the 2012 bullshit
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How do we know that that point was not the start? I dunno. But I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. Food of the gods should prove to you where his heart was at.
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Do you have to take it in the Eye of Horus to get a pin or what?Idol1

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Terence McKenna quotes:

“The Mushroom said. [...] But since you brought it up. [...] I would be very interested in seeing a set of social policies, tax incentives, medical policies, insurance policies, put in place to limit male birth. [...]
This is the way to feminize the human race. [...] I’m a feminist. [...] AS A HUMANIST I advocate a reduction in male birth.”
~ Terence McKenna



But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects. Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. [emphasis added]
~ Aldous Huxley -

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Op.. good luck with your thread... But to say he was working with the FBI is a strong statement. For me I take some of his ideas and enjoy them. Some of his stuff was too far out there for me. But at the end if the day I'm my own person. Free to think.and feel the way I want I do not follow anyone.
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Do you have to take it in the Eye of Horus to get a pin or what?Idol1
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If I could I would pin it for you, beacause once you calmed down it turned into an interesting debate.
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Op.. good luck with your thread... But to say he was working with the FBI is a strong statement. For me I take some of his ideas and enjoy them. Some of his stuff was too far out there for me. But at the end if the day I'm my own person. Free to think.and feel the way I want I do not follow anyone.
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I don't thing it was the FBI. I think the FBI apprehended him and handed him off to the CIA. Sounds like you have a handle on things. Just remember, sometimes things are not how they seem.
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Rex-
Here's a quote from Martin Ball on McKenna-taken from an article on "Reality Sandwich".

GREAT WEBSITE BTW......

[link to www.realitysandwich.com]


"In short, Terence's experiences boil down to one fundamental truth: They are the experiences of someone who is consuming very powerful entheogens, yet is failing to recognize the projections and creations of his own ego while in that state. From the perspective of unitary consciousness, Terence appears to have never managed to transcend his ego and therefore appears to have failed to realize the genuinely true potential of the entheogenic medicines he ingested."

This is exactly what I mean.

So then he was flamed by all the other readers because they too had never reached unitary consciousness.

But I still do love Terence! He's super fluent, intelligent, and funny as hell.

Namaste!
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Do you have to take it in the Eye of Horus to get a pin or what?Idol1
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If I could I would pin it for you, beacause once you calmed down it turned into an interesting debate.
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Ha, sorry. I did get pretty excited. I know TPTB use our own tax dollars to fund study into the way we can be best controlled. Even if I am wrong about the audio clip, it should be discussed.

The control needs to end!
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Um,the 2012 bullshit
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I would venture to guess that 99% of the population when polled would have no clue who Terrence is nor what his 'Timewave Zero' theory was about. So when we take a step back, how effective would utilizing someone like McKenna really be? He's a relative unknown to the vast majority of the population. Even those that know him or know of him, there's no guarantee that they were personally influenced by him.

I've never read any of his books but I've heard some of his interviews and he always struck me as an interesting character. I can't say I've ever found his ideas/views to be something you can really latch onto or integrate into your own perspective. However, it can be refreshing to hear someone engaging in abstract or 'outside the box' thinking. If anything I think his speeches encourage others to enage in thought that operates outside the typical paradigms and to engage in conscious exploration - to blaze their own path. I do think it's very unlikely that one would arrive at the same 'conclusions' that McKenna communicated. He was definitely a unique individual.

In terms of what you were saying about promoting people to be 'passive'. I think the organized religions are the ongoing 'movements' that are most guilty of this. Look at how the Islamic/Christian ideology promotes the idea of armageddon/apocalypse always being just around the corner and how there's going to be som type of 'savior' of humanity (or of the believers). Look at the membership of the organized religions and you see that this is by far the greatest tool to promote passivity. That being said, what groups are taking action or doing anything to 'fix' this mess that we're in? I can't think of any... So when it comes down to it, everyone could share a portion of the blame for being 'passive'.

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Op.. good luck with your thread... But to say he was working with the FBI is a strong statement. For me I take some of his ideas and enjoy them. Some of his stuff was too far out there for me. But at the end if the day I'm my own person. Free to think.and feel the way I want I do not follow anyone.
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I don't thing it was the FBI. I think the FBI apprehended him and handed him off to the CIA. Sounds like you have a handle on things. Just remember, sometimes things are not how they seem.
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Things are never how they seem. Only thing people can do is be true to themselves. Filter the information.. hey thanks for at least making me think today. Peace
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Um,the 2012 bullshit
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I would venture to guess that 99% of the population when polled would have no clue who Terrence is nor what his 'Timewave Zero' theory was about. So when we take a step back, how effective would utilizing someone like McKenna really be? He's a relative unknown to the vast majority of the population. Even those that know him, that's no guarantee that they were personally influenced by him.

I've never read any of his books but I've heard some of his interviews and he always struck me as an interesting character. I can't say I've ever found his ideas/views to be something you can really latch onto or integrate into your own perspective. However, it can be refreshing to hear someone engaging in abstract or 'outside the box' thinking. If anything I think his speeches encourage others to enage in thought that operates outside the typical paradigms and to engage in conscious exploration. I think it's very unlikely that one would arrive at the same 'conclusions' that McKenna communicated. He was definitely a unique individual.
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You bring up a good point, however I think he was 1 of many gurus of his time that were spreading what TPTB wanted them to. I am sure you have heard of Leary.
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Camporesi later continues:

It would be wrong to suppose that one must wait for the arrival of eighteenth-century capitalism, or even of imperialism, in order to see the birth of the problem of the mass spreading of opium derivatives (first of morphine and then, today, of heroin) used to dampen the frenzy of the masses and lead them back – by means of dreams – to the ‘reason’ desired by the groups in power. The opium war against China, the Black Panthers ‘broken’ by drugs, and the ‘ebbing’ of the American and European student movements (supposing that hallucinogenic drugs were involved in the latter, as some believe), are the most commonly used examples – we don’t know with what relevance – to demonstrate how ‘advanced’ capitalism and imperialism have utilized mechanisms which induced collective dreaming and weakened the desire for renewal by means of visionary ‘trips’, in order to impose their will.

The pre-industrial age, too, even if in a more imprecise, rough and ‘natural’ manner, was aware of political strategies allied to medical culture, whether to lessen the pangs of hunger or to limit the turmoil in the streets. Certainly we could laugh at interventions which are so mild as to appear almost surreal, amateurish or improvised; but we must not forget that both in theory and in practice the ‘treatment of the poor man’, cared for with sedatives and hallucinogenic drugs, corresponded to a thought-out medico-political design.

~ Piero Camporesi

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Um,the 2012 bullshit
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I would venture to guess that 99% of the population when polled would have no clue who Terrence is nor what his 'Timewave Zero' theory was about. So when we take a step back, how effective would utilizing someone like McKenna really be? He's a relative unknown to the vast majority of the population. Even those that know him, that's no guarantee that they were personally influenced by him.

I've never read any of his books but I've heard some of his interviews and he always struck me as an interesting character. I can't say I've ever found his ideas/views to be something you can really latch onto or integrate into your own perspective. However, it can be refreshing to hear someone engaging in abstract or 'outside the box' thinking. If anything I think his speeches encourage others to enage in thought that operates outside the typical paradigms and to engage in conscious exploration. I think it's very unlikely that one would arrive at the same 'conclusions' that McKenna communicated. He was definitely a unique individual.
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You bring up a good point, however I think he was 1 of many gurus of his time that were spreading what TPTB wanted them to. I am sure you have heard of Leary.
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And Leary was eventually turned into an asset. After they planted the joint in his car.
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Um,the 2012 bullshit
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I would venture to guess that 99% of the population when polled would have no clue who Terrence is nor what his 'Timewave Zero' theory was about. So when we take a step back, how effective would utilizing someone like McKenna really be? He's a relative unknown to the vast majority of the population. Even those that know him, that's no guarantee that they were personally influenced by him.

I've never read any of his books but I've heard some of his interviews and he always struck me as an interesting character. I can't say I've ever found his ideas/views to be something you can really latch onto or integrate into your own perspective. However, it can be refreshing to hear someone engaging in abstract or 'outside the box' thinking. If anything I think his speeches encourage others to enage in thought that operates outside the typical paradigms and to engage in conscious exploration. I think it's very unlikely that one would arrive at the same 'conclusions' that McKenna communicated. He was definitely a unique individual.
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You bring up a good point, however I think he was 1 of many gurus of his time that were spreading what TPTB wanted them to. I am sure you have heard of Leary.
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And Leary was eventually turned into an asset. After they planted the joint in his car.
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Are you switching sides Hawk?
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Whilst he might be CIA or whatever, the evidence presented in that audio clip is not enough to justify the conclusion. You can not possibly jump to that conclusion on that one clip, especially knowing his tone of speaking.. he was obviously referring to the mushroom for gods sake.

I personally think McKenna was just doing what the majority of speakers do.. MAKING MONEY (that includes this Jan Irvin character who is clearly making money himself). He said what people wanted to hear: that we're all special, that we have a chance, that the earth gives a damn about our individual existence.

Some of his social commentary is very well put. But that is something anyone could realize though.

Ineffectual hippies and tripers aren't really a threat to the establishment. If he started to rally people or form an organization, then they would have been attacked and he would have been approached by the CIA etc. I mean it's possible he was approached already, who knows, but that audio clip is not going to cut the mustard in terms of proof.. Irvin is evidently suffering from excessive paranoia and wants everything to fit his pet theory.


Now that 2012 has come and gone, the world continues to get even more shite. I suggest you stop giving a fuck and do what you want to do, or really pursue a spiritual objective. Worrying about the world is stupid at this point when clearly aliens, gaia, "god", jesus (lol) etc DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US.
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There is a recording of Dr. Timothy Leary actually describing the retrograde culture that those who dropped out would participate in. In this talk, Leary, Alan Watts, Alan Ginsberg, Gary Snyder and Allen Cohen describe how those that “tune in, turn on, drop out” would abandon modern culture and return to the status of a peasant.


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Timothy Leary was a CIA tool. meant to bring in the sexual revolution and drug culture with Alfred Kinsey. not only to make money off of crime and prisons for drug users, but to change the people into what they are now...zombies and easily suggestible. [link to www.youtube.com] But it all has to do with Dr. Green Aquino, and what the NAZIS and Soviets were/ are doing with mind control. Look at the Laurel Canyon fake hippie musicians...lip synching computer generated music, and the black dahlia .. mkultra hippies were programmed killers too. all related. Thread: Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation tied into big pharma today and a takeover of everything that people are. Thread: The Maker of Prozac did this, and lives in the Mother of Darkness Castle?? WTF???

So yes, the dude was used to promote a culture. like rap music was to sell gangsta and fill prisons, and do stuff like this... [link to www.youtube.com] it's not all so black and white, this or that thinking. it's metaphysical in nature and people like Terrence were just used up by the machine.
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Just feels like more divide and conquer. When will we ever learn?
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Whilst he might be CIA or whatever, the evidence presented in that audio clip is not enough to justify the conclusion. You can not possibly jump to that conclusion on that one clip, especially knowing his tone of speaking.. he was obviously referring to the mushroom for gods sake.

I personally think McKenna was just doing what the majority of speakers do.. MAKING MONEY (that includes this Jan Irvin character who is clearly making money himself). He said what people wanted to hear: that we're all special, that we have a chance, that the earth gives a damn about our individual existence.

Some of his social commentary is very well put. But that is something anyone could realize though.

Ineffectual hippies and tripers aren't really a threat to the establishment. If he started to rally people or form an organization, then they would have been attacked and he would have been approached by the CIA etc. I mean it's possible he was approached already, who knows, but that audio clip is not going to cut the mustard in terms of proof.. Irvin is evidently suffering from excessive paranoia and wants everything to fit his pet theory.


Now that 2012 has come and gone, the world continues to get even more shite. I suggest you stop giving a fuck and do what you want to do, or really pursue a spiritual objective. Worrying about the world is stupid at this point when clearly aliens, gaia, "god", jesus (lol) etc DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US.
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Bingo,

you said it yourself. "Ineffectual hippies and tripers aren't really a threat to the establishment"

I think we have found what we were looking for.

The agenda unravels....
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The entire psychedelic and hippie "movement" was MK ULTRA
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I would venture to guess that 99% of the population when polled would have no clue who Terrence is nor what his 'Timewave Zero' theory was about. So when we take a step back, how effective would utilizing someone like McKenna really be? He's a relative unknown to the vast majority of the population. Even those that know him, that's no guarantee that they were personally influenced by him.

I've never read any of his books but I've heard some of his interviews and he always struck me as an interesting character. I can't say I've ever found his ideas/views to be something you can really latch onto or integrate into your own perspective. However, it can be refreshing to hear someone engaging in abstract or 'outside the box' thinking. If anything I think his speeches encourage others to enage in thought that operates outside the typical paradigms and to engage in conscious exploration. I think it's very unlikely that one would arrive at the same 'conclusions' that McKenna communicated. He was definitely a unique individual.
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You bring up a good point, however I think he was 1 of many gurus of his time that were spreading what TPTB wanted them to. I am sure you have heard of Leary.
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And Leary was eventually turned into an asset. After they planted the joint in his car.
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Are you switching sides Hawk?
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Just speaking my mind. It does happen. But Leary did not start out government owned.
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The entire psychedelic and hippie "movement" was MK ULTRA
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yep, isn't trauma based programming prevalent throughout our society today, especially in the workplace? flicker rates, pills, psychotropics, neuroleptics, information overload via the net, fads created on youtube, etc.
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Just feels like more divide and conquer. When will we ever learn?
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I understand where you are coming from. It does not have to divide us if we can flush this out and figure out the real agenda.

1. We know MK-ultra studied these compounds
2. We know TPTB tested them on many people
3. We have books where TPTB use drugs for control
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5 stars op. Thank you for an interesting discussion on a lazy saturday.
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You bring up a good point, however I think he was 1 of many gurus of his time that were spreading what TPTB wanted them to. I am sure you have heard of Leary.
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And Leary was eventually turned into an asset. After they planted the joint in his car.
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Are you switching sides Hawk?
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Just speaking my mind. It does happen. But Leary did not start out government owned.
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This is my understanding as well.

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