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Surviving the Void

 
Kai (VALIS) (OP)
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@kai - if what you write about the "void" were correct many people are living fhat "reality" every moment of their life, so your theory is hypothetical and unproven.

what you are speaking of is people who are leaders and are able to shape ot just their own "reality" but influence reality at a larger of scale as God must be allowing them to have a larger scale of influence. so, i don't believe this has anything to do with any "void," but God allowing certain individuals to lead (even though some of them may not be elected leaders or in the public eye), by shaping things within the world more to their way of thinking. this mist really piss off those who seek the NWO and deny God,

evil exists. even if one person was in a virtual world (what is real? real is still what is happening im that "world"), it would still be evil to be a child molester, murder people, engage in beastiality. etc. in that "world" bc only an evil person would want to experience those things. period.

to deny evil is to deny good and help and what you say you are trying to do here with wanting to help others. why would people need help unless bad and evil exist?
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Fear and uncertainty are not "evil," my friend.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


never wrote or implied they were. want to point where that is specifically? also, i have no fear except for a healthy one of disappointing God.
 Quoting: spirals


You are missing the point. The people who are experiencing the void and want help are those who are experiencing fear and uncertainty. They are inhabiting a place where it can seem that nothing is certain. It is a place where, when we go there, we can often feel alone and without hope. It is good to have someone who can relate and offer guidance. I would've wanted it when I experienced this place for the first time.
- The Prince who was a Thousand
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hey Kai, when you are in this void, what is your sense of self like? do your emotions change, fluctuate or non exist?
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This is a good question. I have experienced this place enough to maintain control over my emotions and actions. But I have encountered many who go there and do not have this level of control. It also seems that our emotional state affects the reactions we get from external consciousness in the void.
- The Prince who was a Thousand
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>> The people who are experiencing the void and want help are those who are experiencing fear and uncertainty. They are inhabiting a place where it can seem that nothing is certain. It is a place where, when we go there, we can often feel alone and without hope. It is good to have someone who can relate and offer guidance. I would've wanted it when I experienced this place for the first time.<<


interesting.. because it sounds a lot like a normal day for someone whos mind is "active"


>>have experienced this place enough to maintain control over my emotions and actions.<<

yep (same as above reply)


active imagination? non-sense? do you have senses in the void (see, smell, hear, touch, taste) and how are they different? is like a dream, lucid dream or astral? what is your sense of physical self?
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>> The people who are experiencing the void and want help are those who are experiencing fear and uncertainty. They are inhabiting a place where it can seem that nothing is certain. It is a place where, when we go there, we can often feel alone and without hope. It is good to have someone who can relate and offer guidance. I would've wanted it when I experienced this place for the first time.<<


interesting.. because it sounds a lot like a normal day for someone whos mind is "active"


>>have experienced this place enough to maintain control over my emotions and actions.<<

yep (same as above reply)


active imagination? non-sense? do you have senses in the void (see, smell, hear, touch, taste) and how are they different? is like a dream, lucid dream or astral? what is your sense of physical self?
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It is like physical reality begins to take on the properties of a dream. Normal events of "real life" begin to take on surreal qualities. Normal conversations begin to connect and have multiple meanings. One can feel the "presence" of unconventional consciousnesses around oneself. It is as if ghost creatures from multiple dimensions are projecting into the "real world." The physical state is preserved (as normally) but there are understandings and perceptions of the external world that take on added dimension.
- The Prince who was a Thousand
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I will give the void a try. My dream state is usually very active. I've had many amazing interactions and encounters. I'm curious to see it spill out into my physical reality.
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so if normal everyday life has the void creeping in, is this a good or bad thing?

are you an outdoorsman Kai and if so what is your experience with wildlife while in the void or near it?
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so if normal everyday life has the void creeping in, is this a good or bad thing?

are you an outdoorsman Kai and if so what is your experience with wildlife while in the void or near it?
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It is what you make it. For many it can be traumatic. It can be like losing your "grip on reality." For others it can be a beautiful, exhilarating, and entertaining experience. Wildlife (while in the void) seems to connect to our core. I have had many strange experiences with animals while in this place. They seem to approach without any fear. I have had bees land in my open palm and walk around for minutes at a time. If we can remain calm and open in this place, there are wonders to be experienced.
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Kai, from what you describe of it, I am very familiar with this. I think it is a blessing and a curse and that depends on your thoughts.


government is latin for control mind. we can chose our government, to self govern or let other do it for you.

very important to throw away all TV, movies and music that you do not create yourself.

do we believe there is war, comet or other doom? I am not so sure since I have no direct first hand knowledge of such things.

I am starting to see the enemy, it is myself. Carl Jung has written much on this subject as well as Guardjeff (sp)
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edit: government *IN* latin is control mind.
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what about when you are in a large group of people? do you find it hard to stay in the void? or in big crowds? to me it is like interference and harder to control with larger crowds. the crowds expectations can be overwhelmingly powerful.
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Sleep deprivation. And again, I am not recommending this. But you asked and I am answering.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Agreed. this is one sure way. the first sign you have been successful is that you are clinically insane. then in time you will come to realize that you are the only one left with any sanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Thanks for this. rose
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'Insanity' is just de-constructed spirituality.

As your consciousness grows and develops, the pieces will be re-arranged: in the way they were always meant to fit.

hf
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hf
All God's angels come to us disguised.
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An angel can illuminate the thought and mind of man by strengthening the power of vision.
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Music is said to be the speech of angels.
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>>no, s/he made that statement before my post which you referenced.<<

it was a question that was asked but in a way it was a statement for your benefit. only trying to help (Do unto others and all)

I think the ultimate purpose of each individuals life is to learn and to believe in anything requres a lack of knowledge.

ignorance?
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the "golden rule" was actually mistranslated .... it is not about do onto others at all. research the original hebrew to english translation to find the truth.

i guess whomever that AC is left the thread?
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@kai - if what you write about the "void" were correct many people are living fhat "reality" every moment of their life, so your theory is hypothetical and unproven.

what you are speaking of is people who are leaders and are able to shape ot just their own "reality" but influence reality at a larger of scale as God must be allowing them to have a larger scale of influence. so, i don't believe this has anything to do with any "void," but God allowing certain individuals to lead (even though some of them may not be elected leaders or in the public eye), by shaping things within the world more to their way of thinking. this mist really piss off those who seek the NWO and deny God,

evil exists. even if one person was in a virtual world (what is real? real is still what is happening im that "world"), it would still be evil to be a child molester, murder people, engage in beastiality. etc. in that "world" bc only an evil person would want to experience those things. period.

to deny evil is to deny good and help and what you say you are trying to do here with wanting to help others. why would people need help unless bad and evil exist?
 Quoting: spirals


Fear and uncertainty are not "evil," my friend.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


never wrote or implied they were. want to point where that is specifically? also, i have no fear except for a healthy one of disappointing God.
 Quoting: spirals


You are missing the point. The people who are experiencing the void and want help are those who are experiencing fear and uncertainty. They are inhabiting a place where it can seem that nothing is certain. It is a place where, when we go there, we can often feel alone and without hope. It is good to have someone who can relate and offer guidance. I would've wanted it when I experienced this place for the first time.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


you are avoiding addressing the reality of evil. why? this is seems to be some kind of personal issue with you somehow. why?

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what about when you are in a large group of people? do you find it hard to stay in the void? or in big crowds? to me it is like interference and harder to control with larger crowds. the crowds expectations can be overwhelmingly powerful.
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according to kai's description, myself and many others costantly live "in the void." we do not go through sleep deprivation or anything else, it is our reality bc it IS reality all the time.
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good morning



well we are narrowing it down
dimensional jumping is going forward or backwards in our material dimension but not to stay, to experience from the present via field memory (re experiencing the past in our present) or utilizing our universes precognition the same way, experiencing events awaiting to happen within our present (altered state)
if we go physically into another dimension our material dimension is instant by instant the same instant everywhere within itself, as seen by field of gravity instant/distance effect all things material, thus no matter how long you stay out of our material dimension within non material dimensions there is no return to or influence within our material dimension other than the same instant you do so and that is the same instant throughout the dimension
there is no before or after instant thus there is only the same past field memory or same precognition experience to experience from within the material dimension

what does happen is because by default all velocities outside of our material dimension is faster than light you experience infinitely faster all things than you do in our material dimension
thus like a dream, you may leave our material dimension and return 5 light speed minutes later but you may have experienced a month or a year of living while you were gone

as in contact the movie
this gives the impression of time travel
 Quoting: aether


can you crit that kai , if you are in the mood , i notice time has an emotional effect on many people , to me

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Fear and uncertainty are not "evil," my friend.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


never wrote or implied they were. want to point where that is specifically? also, i have no fear except for a healthy one of disappointing God.
 Quoting: spirals


You are missing the point. The people who are experiencing the void and want help are those who are experiencing fear and uncertainty. They are inhabiting a place where it can seem that nothing is certain. It is a place where, when we go there, we can often feel alone and without hope. It is good to have someone who can relate and offer guidance. I would've wanted it when I experienced this place for the first time.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


you are avoiding addressing the reality of evil. why? this is seems to be some kind of personal issue with you somehow. why?
 Quoting: spirals


"Evil" is a word we use to describe antagonistic forces. These forces manifest through the actions of sentient creatures. But evil is an obscure concept. Generally speaking, people who commit negative acts do not get defined as evil. But these acts are going on all around us. So what do we define as "evil?" We seem to reserve the highest level of judgement to those who take life. And yet, (during war, for example) taking a life is acceptable to us. And then there is sickness. A person who hears voices and believes those voices are coming form a higher source. If those voices tell said person to commit a heinous act and the person complies, are they evil? What if they believe that doing so is the only possible way to save the world? This person is not evil. They are very sick and unable to utilize their "moral compass." AND MOST PEOPLE WHO COMMIT "EVIL" ACTS FIT INTO THIS CATEGORY. You, yourself, claim that your god is the only force which is capable of proper judgement. And yet you are full of judgement yourself. I do not see this as evil. I see it as misguidance.
- The Prince who was a Thousand
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good morning



well we are narrowing it down
dimensional jumping is going forward or backwards in our material dimension but not to stay, to experience from the present via field memory (re experiencing the past in our present) or utilizing our universes precognition the same way, experiencing events awaiting to happen within our present (altered state)
if we go physically into another dimension our material dimension is instant by instant the same instant everywhere within itself, as seen by field of gravity instant/distance effect all things material, thus no matter how long you stay out of our material dimension within non material dimensions there is no return to or influence within our material dimension other than the same instant you do so and that is the same instant throughout the dimension
there is no before or after instant thus there is only the same past field memory or same precognition experience to experience from within the material dimension

what does happen is because by default all velocities outside of our material dimension is faster than light you experience infinitely faster all things than you do in our material dimension
thus like a dream, you may leave our material dimension and return 5 light speed minutes later but you may have experienced a month or a year of living while you were gone

as in contact the movie
this gives the impression of time travel
 Quoting: aether


can you crit that kai , if you are in the mood , i notice time has an emotional effect on many people , to me

thanks tounge
 Quoting: aether


Good day, my friend!

These statements fall in well with my perception of dimensional travel. It may be that this is happening at all moments, simultaneously...that every fraction of every second we are jumping back and forth and that these actions are tied to what decisions and actions we take in the "now." Perhaps we are affecting/affected by every coordinated movement of every quantum self which we connect to. This may be why, when we read something which emotionally resonates (even a "fictional" story) it can literally seem to become real. We can connect to the characters which we empathize with (here is your emotion/time correlation) and anything we FEEL can become a part of our reality.
- The Prince who was a Thousand
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I have only been there once in my 30 years on earth so far. Unfortunately is was hallucinagenically induced....not something I do often at all or care to. I found it easy to navigate when there though. I downloaded everything i could when i was there...but i am due for an upgrade.Any tips on how to get there again without star fungus is appreciated.

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I went there once in a Salvia trip.
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good morning



well we are narrowing it down
dimensional jumping is going forward or backwards in our material dimension but not to stay, to experience from the present via field memory (re experiencing the past in our present) or utilizing our universes precognition the same way, experiencing events awaiting to happen within our present (altered state)
if we go physically into another dimension our material dimension is instant by instant the same instant everywhere within itself, as seen by field of gravity instant/distance effect all things material, thus no matter how long you stay out of our material dimension within non material dimensions there is no return to or influence within our material dimension other than the same instant you do so and that is the same instant throughout the dimension
there is no before or after instant thus there is only the same past field memory or same precognition experience to experience from within the material dimension

what does happen is because by default all velocities outside of our material dimension is faster than light you experience infinitely faster all things than you do in our material dimension
thus like a dream, you may leave our material dimension and return 5 light speed minutes later but you may have experienced a month or a year of living while you were gone

as in contact the movie
this gives the impression of time travel
 Quoting: aether


can you crit that kai , if you are in the mood , i notice time has an emotional effect on many people , to me

thanks tounge
 Quoting: aether


Good day, my friend!

These statements fall in well with my perception of dimensional travel. It may be that this is happening at all moments, simultaneously...that every fraction of every second we are jumping back and forth and that these actions are tied to what decisions and actions we take in the "now." Perhaps we are affecting/affected by every coordinated movement of every quantum self which we connect to. This may be why, when we read something which emotionally resonates (even a "fictional" story) it can literally seem to become real. We can connect to the characters which we empathize with (here is your emotion/time correlation) and anything we FEEL can become a part of our reality.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


Conciousness moves within forms. It echoes with function imbued by those forms on a ghosts feet remembering a life that could be.

Or not...
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good morning



well we are narrowing it down
dimensional jumping is going forward or backwards in our material dimension but not to stay, to experience from the present via field memory (re experiencing the past in our present) or utilizing our universes precognition the same way, experiencing events awaiting to happen within our present (altered state)
if we go physically into another dimension our material dimension is instant by instant the same instant everywhere within itself, as seen by field of gravity instant/distance effect all things material, thus no matter how long you stay out of our material dimension within non material dimensions there is no return to or influence within our material dimension other than the same instant you do so and that is the same instant throughout the dimension
there is no before or after instant thus there is only the same past field memory or same precognition experience to experience from within the material dimension

what does happen is because by default all velocities outside of our material dimension is faster than light you experience infinitely faster all things than you do in our material dimension
thus like a dream, you may leave our material dimension and return 5 light speed minutes later but you may have experienced a month or a year of living while you were gone

as in contact the movie
this gives the impression of time travel
 Quoting: aether


can you crit that kai , if you are in the mood , i notice time has an emotional effect on many people , to me

thanks tounge
 Quoting: aether


Good day, my friend!

These statements fall in well with my perception of dimensional travel. It may be that this is happening at all moments, simultaneously...that every fraction of every second we are jumping back and forth and that these actions are tied to what decisions and actions we take in the "now." Perhaps we are affecting/affected by every coordinated movement of every quantum self which we connect to. This may be why, when we read something which emotionally resonates (even a "fictional" story) it can literally seem to become real. We can connect to the characters which we empathize with (here is your emotion/time correlation) and anything we FEEL can become a part of our reality.
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thanks k, do you mind if i use your replys in the x thread
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good morning



well we are narrowing it down
dimensional jumping is going forward or backwards in our material dimension but not to stay, to experience from the present via field memory (re experiencing the past in our present) or utilizing our universes precognition the same way, experiencing events awaiting to happen within our present (altered state)
if we go physically into another dimension our material dimension is instant by instant the same instant everywhere within itself, as seen by field of gravity instant/distance effect all things material, thus no matter how long you stay out of our material dimension within non material dimensions there is no return to or influence within our material dimension other than the same instant you do so and that is the same instant throughout the dimension
there is no before or after instant thus there is only the same past field memory or same precognition experience to experience from within the material dimension

what does happen is because by default all velocities outside of our material dimension is faster than light you experience infinitely faster all things than you do in our material dimension
thus like a dream, you may leave our material dimension and return 5 light speed minutes later but you may have experienced a month or a year of living while you were gone

as in contact the movie
this gives the impression of time travel
 Quoting: aether


can you crit that kai , if you are in the mood , i notice time has an emotional effect on many people , to me

thanks tounge
 Quoting: aether


Good day, my friend!

These statements fall in well with my perception of dimensional travel. It may be that this is happening at all moments, simultaneously...that every fraction of every second we are jumping back and forth and that these actions are tied to what decisions and actions we take in the "now." Perhaps we are affecting/affected by every coordinated movement of every quantum self which we connect to. This may be why, when we read something which emotionally resonates (even a "fictional" story) it can literally seem to become real. We can connect to the characters which we empathize with (here is your emotion/time correlation) and anything we FEEL can become a part of our reality.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


thanks k, do you mind if i use your replys in the x thread
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Are you no longer afraid of death?
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I am unafraid.
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I don't like the word void, I makes it sound like nothing is there, whereas I remember it being quite full
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hf

Greetings Kai... your energy feels familiar hmm

where could I possibly get that from ....

maybe another website from the past hmm
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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I don't like the word void, I makes it sound like nothing is there, whereas I remember it being quite full
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Consider the word "devoid," which means "empty of." If the prefix "de" is the negative then "void" without the "de" would not imply "empty." It is more like an "abyss," not so much empty but vast and full of we know not what.
- The Prince who was a Thousand
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hf

Greetings Kai... your energy feels familiar hmm

where could I possibly get that from ....

maybe another website from the past hmm
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Hello!

Doubtful. I did not do much posting before GLP. But I do get that "familiarity" thing a lot. Interesting.
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hf

Greetings Kai... your energy feels familiar hmm

where could I possibly get that from ....

maybe another website from the past hmm
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Hello!

Doubtful. I did not do much posting before GLP. But I do get that "familiarity" thing a lot. Interesting.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


:)

Maybe it was on the astral plane chuckle

Do you know someone named Sevan?
" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) "
"It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"
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Howard Pittman's NDE testimony on You Tube may interest you as he gives details of the void...

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