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ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?

 
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you know what? fuck you op.. enjoy your end mother fucker.. like i will also enjoy mine.. at least im not going out hating away and all miserable asshole like you man.. i wrote a nice long post for you above but you just ignored it and went on and on with your stupid hate filled nonsense so from god to you is a big FUCK YOU DIE CUNT.. and you know what you only have it coming cause your the fucker asshole your the shit head your the loser who has failed upon every chance you where given and then you still find someone else to blame for your own short comings and you still find some one else to blame for your own hate filled bull shit and you still try and push your agenda and look for sympathy from others when youv had it much easier than many many many on this planet and all you did was fuck up and fuck up and fuck over and over and over until you realized that your nothing more than the cursed dickhead you are.. and you know what above i wrote that god loves you and god is good and god is great but as asshole rat like you doesnt get to see or experience that because you are a rotten piece of shit and you only get back what you put out there all along.. and no none of it was good and none of it was right.. and no you are not a good person no you are not a worthy person and no you are not even worth anything in the eyes of the lord and i can assure you that no body else needs to tell you just how fucked up you are compared to the real people of this world.. so fuck and at least die with a little dignity instead of going out like the loser you came in as..
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SOme typical hell screamer christian LOVE..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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lol
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
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"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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II Thess. 1:9 describes an “eternal destruction”. I see similar phrasing in Hebrews 9:12, which speaks of “eternal redemption” and Hebrews 6:2, which speaks of “eternal judgment”. In those examples, we don’t think that God’s redemption and His judgment are processes that occur continuously for the rest of eternity. We know that redemption is once and done (e.g., by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy”, Hebrews 10:14). And God isn’t judging for all of eternity—He judges once and then comes the sentence. It is the consequence of redemption and judgment that lasts for eternity. So, in the light of those phrases, is it possible that “eternal destruction” is eternal in the sense that the result of that destruction is eternal (the person is destroyed and that can’t be undone)? Also, the word destruction seems to indicate completion (def: the act by which something is totally destroyed). “Eternal destroying” seems like the better way to describe an ongoing process, though I’m not sure how it would work out in Greek verb tense. While not as severe, isn’t total final destruction is still a great punishment for an unrepentant sinner? I’m just trying to read the verses naturally without the presupposition of “eternal torment” and, conversely, without appealing to my emotional bent (which, in all honesty, is more comfortable with annihilation).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109


Once again...if everyone receives the same eternal damnation in the lake of fire,how will Christs words in the gospels and Revelation about every sinner receiving proper appropriate punishment for their sins come to pass?

In the gospels Jesus clearly says some will receive more or less 'stripes' (Punishment) for their sins than others will.Revelation states that the sinners were judged not only by if their name was in the lambs book of life (lost or saved),but they were judged according to their works in life.

If every sinner will burn forever in the lake of fire then there can not be varying levels of punishment.Unless you want to propose some ridiculous idea about certain parts of the lake of fire having the thermostat lower or some similar nonsense :P
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Eternal doomers I'm still waiting for you to tell me how every sinner burning for eternity fulfills Christs words about people receiving differing levels of punishment for their sins.

Surely you're not deluded enough to think that Hitler will receive the same penalty as some backwoods tribesman that never even heard of Jesus.

Also if it's the eternal lake of fire for all sinners (one punishment for all),whats the point of the other books God opens up at the judgment here it clearly says these sinners are judged according to their works?

Yes rejecting Christ leads to destruction and the second death.But people are CLEARLY judged to different penalties depending on their level of sin in life at the judgement.
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You'll be waiting for a log time, because they despise The Word of God...
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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Amen, and praise YHVH/YAHshua/Jesus, but don't cherry pick scripture, lets include here what the Lord says in Johns gospel for example ch 14-18
 Quoting: FHL(C) nli 23349710


Remember, when Scripture doesn't say what OP wants, he accuses the translation. So he is going into Scripture with his bias and then doing more than cherry picking, but eisigesis.
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Prove it. what scriptures you are talking about?
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Prove it? That's what you said earlier in this thread when one posted Scripture. And you proved you don't know Greek, op. Sorry, you are a game player.
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Sorry 'expert' your nice bible trophy or award isn't enough these days.


Now I'm off to shovel copius amounts of meds into my system.The medical 'experts' told me it was good for my health.And they couldn't ever possibly be mistaken :P
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The problem with your exposition/doctrine of demons, Op, is that like the followers of the angel moroni(the morons of Utah), it leads to rehabilitation of the devil/satan/lucifer, all the other wicked spirits and unrepentant and unregenerate men and women, it means there is no justice or judgment, both of which are irrevocable attributes of YHVH/God who also is Love

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
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Taking more power than you give from GOD.

chopping down trees faster than they regrow to power your love of GOD and sustain the path of salvation.

leads to damnation for all eternity.

chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to power your love of GOD and sustain the path of salvation.

Sharing power equally with GOD.

Does not lead to damnation for all eternity.

knowledge of good and evil.

right and wrong

one and zero.

Take your pick of paths...the ignorant path to zero where you take more than you give chopping down trees faster than they regrow to defeat GOD...and obtain salvation from damnation.

and fail.

or

The knowledgeable path to one where you share power equally with GOD and chop down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to try not to defeat GOD...and obtain salvation from damnation.

and succeed.

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II Thess. 1:9 describes an “eternal destruction”. I see similar phrasing in Hebrews 9:12, which speaks of “eternal redemption” and Hebrews 6:2, which speaks of “eternal judgment”. In those examples, we don’t think that God’s redemption and His judgment are processes that occur continuously for the rest of eternity. We know that redemption is once and done (e.g., by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy”, Hebrews 10:14). And God isn’t judging for all of eternity—He judges once and then comes the sentence. It is the consequence of redemption and judgment that lasts for eternity. So, in the light of those phrases, is it possible that “eternal destruction” is eternal in the sense that the result of that destruction is eternal (the person is destroyed and that can’t be undone)? Also, the word destruction seems to indicate completion (def: the act by which something is totally destroyed). “Eternal destroying” seems like the better way to describe an ongoing process, though I’m not sure how it would work out in Greek verb tense. While not as severe, isn’t total final destruction is still a great punishment for an unrepentant sinner? I’m just trying to read the verses naturally without the presupposition of “eternal torment” and, conversely, without appealing to my emotional bent (which, in all honesty, is more comfortable with annihilation).
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aionian not eternal
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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The problem with your exposition/doctrine of demons, Op, is that like the followers of the angel moroni(the morons of Utah), it leads to rehabilitation of the devil/satan/lucifer, all the other wicked spirits and unrepentant and unregenerate men and women, it means there is no justice or judgment, both of which are irrevocable attributes of YHVH/God who also is Love

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
 Quoting: FHL(C) nli 23349710




And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of ALL things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of ALL his holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 17:26

Do you believe this Scripture?
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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The problem with your exposition/doctrine of demons, Op, is that like the followers of the angel moroni(the morons of Utah), it leads to rehabilitation of the devil/satan/lucifer, all the other wicked spirits and unrepentant and unregenerate men and women, it means there is no justice or judgment, both of which are irrevocable attributes of YHVH/God who also is Love

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
 Quoting: FHL(C) nli 23349710


Lol I like how you equate the idea that sinners won't be burning forever as meaning there being no justice or judgement at all.Just goes to show the indoctrination.

Does the obvious alternative of God dishing out only as much punishment as that soul deserves before their souls complete destruction,elude you somehow?

If the lost are punished in accordance to their level of sin in life (as Jesus and Revelations clearly shows),then it is ridiculous to assume that normal lost humans will receive the same level of punishment as the antichrist,false prophet,and satan and his angels.
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To the Christians of GLP

I want you to look at the kinds of threads which get pinned. They attack the faith. Consider this as you look at other agenda being promoted on GLP. GLP's agenda is anti-Christ. Don't follow with their hate-filled agenda.
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I pinned it myself with my own green points lol

We had plenty Hell promoting threads pinned , so I can pin what I want to pin
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And where do you get all those "green points"? From anti-Christians who want to destroy the faith.

Give me nom pl for the word for word in Greek.
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spock
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Good Q
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The problem with your exposition/doctrine of demons, Op, is that like the followers of the angel moroni(the morons of Utah), it leads to rehabilitation of the devil/satan/lucifer, all the other wicked spirits and unrepentant and unregenerate men and women, it means there is no justice or judgment, both of which are irrevocable attributes of YHVH/God who also is Love

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
 Quoting: FHL(C) nli 23349710


Lol I like how you equate the idea that sinners won't be burning forever as meaning there being no justice or judgement at all.Just goes to show the indoctrination.

Does the obvious alternative of God dishing out only as much punishment as that soul deserves before their souls complete destruction,elude you somehow?

If the lost are punished in accordance to their level of sin in life (as Jesus and Revelations clearly shows),then it is ridiculous to assume that normal lost humans will receive the same level of punishment as the antichrist,false prophet,and satan and his angels.
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Getting a person out of religious indoctrination as difficult as raising the dead..only God can do it..

Last Edited by me777 on 08/30/2013 09:11 AM
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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Hell is real no matter how many pages you write trying to disprove it.

Go to youtube and type hell is real into the search box. Thousands have experienced a taste of it and all of them have the dreadful feeling that it is for eternity.

Only two witnesses are needed to verify the truth.
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Then how do you explain all the MANY hundreds of others who had NDE's and saw NOTHING of the kind?

Oh thats right...they were decieved..while the MANY FEWER who saw hell were NOT??

Like I said..no matter the evidence...or what is said..you hear only what you WANT to hear..and know ONLY what you heard.

Typical CULTIST.
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Many of the people who have experienced hell have never been involved in religion or cults etc.

People who have had other NDEs do not need to be explained! Not everyone experiences heaven or hell during an NDE.

You make no sense.
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Eternal doomers I'm still waiting for you to tell me how every sinner burning for eternity fulfills Christs words about people receiving differing levels of punishment for their sins.

Surely you're not deluded enough to think that Hitler will receive the same penalty as some backwoods tribesman that never even heard of Jesus.

Also if it's the eternal lake of fire for all sinners (one punishment for all),whats the point of the other books God opens up at the judgment here it clearly says these sinners are judged according to their works?

Yes rejecting Christ leads to destruction and the second death.But people are CLEARLY judged to different penalties depending on their level of sin in life at the judgement.
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You'll be waiting for a log time, because they despise The Word of God...
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I don't think they hate God or his word.
I just think many of them are deluded,thinking that their interpretation alone is the correct one.I have repeatedly posted the same question 3 or 4 times now.

And considering how boldly they were talking before,and their sudden silence and insistence of avoiding the subject altoghether,I can tell I've touched a nerve :P
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Absent from God is hell. That would be the worse hell I could think off.

Jesus said he has the keys to heaven and hell, I would think a person might want to think what Hell is.

He is going to burn up sin and death, I don't think I misread. It is in Revelations and in Luke I think.

The best scriptures are the blessing Luke Chapters 6:20thou 28 and 6:29thou49 is the things he asks you to do, that are good.
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Good answer
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Eternal doomers I'm still waiting for you to tell me how every sinner burning for eternity fulfills Christs words about people receiving differing levels of punishment for their sins.

Surely you're not deluded enough to think that Hitler will receive the same penalty as some backwoods tribesman that never even heard of Jesus.

Also if it's the eternal lake of fire for all sinners (one punishment for all),whats the point of the other books God opens up at the judgment here it clearly says these sinners are judged according to their works?

Yes rejecting Christ leads to destruction and the second death.But people are CLEARLY judged to different penalties depending on their level of sin in life at the judgement.
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You'll be waiting for a log time, because they despise The Word of God...
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I don't think they hate God or his word.
I just think many of them are deluded,thinking that their interpretation alone is the correct one.I have repeatedly posted the same question 3 or 4 times now.

And considering how boldly they were talking before,and their sudden silence and insistence of avoiding the subject altoghether,I can tell I've touched a nerve :P
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Every time I give a plain scripture with no translation issue they just avoid it, and you expect your question to be answered? lol
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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I wonder what dark sadistic thoughts of dark sinister glee and joy passed through gods mind as he thought up and invented every torture device in hell(It would take a VERY dark and evil mind to even think of those things,,let alone IMPLEMENT THEM)..and then looking forward through time saw his ghastly creation in full effect on trillions of helplessly screaming beings he was just about to bring into being KNOWING they were all headed for the plce HE created for them to BURN IN.

Nice plan eh?..and thats not good news..its pure EVIL.

But its FREE WILL you say..

Whats FREE about it?

If I was to hold a gun to your head and tell you to be my friend and love me...would that be a FREE choice..seeing as the penalty for saying NO to my wonderful offer is to have your brains blown out?

Thats what they SAY that God says to us..but worse..take his offer or be satanically and sadistically tortured without mercy, pity, compassion or letup forver and ever.

So much for free will.
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Your Free to make choices, 1st he'd want you to love yourself,then ask yourself where does this love come from, you'd want to share your love which it was designed to do, God just want's to share his love with you. Do you know anyone who was actually tortured, Demons exist, they torture you, we all got them, we all got angels, Gods love is awesome, unconditional and lasts forever, He doesn't want to see you in hell with yourself. Whether you love yourself or not God will always love you.
It is why we are here!
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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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How much she is selling the story for?
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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The problem with your exposition/doctrine of demons, Op, is that like the followers of the angel moroni(the morons of Utah), it leads to rehabilitation of the devil/satan/lucifer, all the other wicked spirits and unrepentant and unregenerate men and women, it means there is no justice or judgment, both of which are irrevocable attributes of YHVH/God who also is Love

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
 Quoting: FHL(C) nli 23349710


Lol I like how you equate the idea that sinners won't be burning forever as meaning there being no justice or judgement at all.Just goes to show the indoctrination.

Does the obvious alternative of God dishing out only as much punishment as that soul deserves before their souls complete destruction,elude you somehow?

If the lost are punished in accordance to their level of sin in life (as Jesus and Revelations clearly shows),then it is ridiculous to assume that normal lost humans will receive the same level of punishment as the antichrist,false prophet,and satan and his angels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19962882


Getting a person out of religious indoctrination as difficult as raising the dead..only God can do it..
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Well what they are proposing is simply ludicrous.
the bible clearly teaches that punishment will be dealt to sinners according to two criteria.

1: Are they born again,and their name in the lambs book of life?If so there is no further retribution for sin,God has taken that persons punishment on the cross.


2: If their name is not written in the lambs book of life,they will suffer punishment and destruction.That amount of punishment is to be determined by the other books that are opened that tell their level of sin in life.

These are valid scriptures that eternal doomers cannot throw aside,so they merely ignore them.


Think of it this way..
Suppose the punishment for every lost sinner is simply to be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity.Well if guys like Cain or the sinners that lived during the flood went to Sheol,they have been being punished in torments for several thousands of years now.Awaiting their eternal judgment.

The three most wicked beings that will ever exist (False prophet,antichrist,and satan) will not be exposed to hell or the lake of fire until the end of the tribulation.satan won't be thrown in there until after the millennial rule of christ.


So basically according to eternal doomers,Cain/the floods generations get to be tormented in hell for thousands of years while satan and his fallen remain free until the end of time.Then they get resurrected just long enough to be judged and thrown into the lake of fire.

In the end Cains generation gets 5000 plus years of torment,a brief reprieve,then an eternity in the lake of fire.satan and his angels only get the eternity.

In short that poor good hearted african tribesman that lived around 300 BC that never heard of Jesus or the Jewish God,gets a much longer sentence then satan himself.

lol eternal doomers..
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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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How much she is selling the story for?
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It's free of course. Just like every other testimony of hell on youtube. Wonder why that is?

A number of the people who share their experience do not want to do so because of the fear of ridicule. But the importance of the truth overrides this.
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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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How much she is selling the story for?
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Was this the same girl that said she saw Demons moon walking around Michael Jacksons burning carcass in hell?

I'm pretty sure she's also the one that talked about seeing an 8 yr old boy being in hell for being disobedient and daring to like *gasp* that satanic pokemon game/show :P

I believe in a temporary abode of the damned to await judgment.But in all honestly this sounds like bad fanfiction written for some kind of fear mongering agenda.
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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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How much she is selling the story for?
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It's free of course. Just like every other testimony of hell on youtube. Wonder why that is?

A number of the people who share their experience do not want to do so because of the fear of ridicule. But the importance of the truth overrides this.
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Jesus said His followes will know what He is doing, Q are you a follower of Jesus?
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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46012225


How much she is selling the story for?
 Quoting: me777


It's free of course. Just like every other testimony of hell on youtube. Wonder why that is?

A number of the people who share their experience do not want to do so because of the fear of ridicule. But the importance of the truth overrides this.
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A lot of propaganda around is free..oh my goodness..guess that means it's all truth too right? :P

Why do all these people claim to have the truth,yet so many of their visions of hell,heaven,and even Jesus contradict one another?

Could it possibly be some of them are lying or have an agenda to make?There are a lot of scammers and fear mongerers among the Christian community too ya know?
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Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46012225


How much she is selling the story for?
 Quoting: me777


It's free of course. Just like every other testimony of hell on youtube. Wonder why that is?

A number of the people who share their experience do not want to do so because of the fear of ridicule. But the importance of the truth overrides this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39791889


A lot of propaganda around is free..oh my goodness..guess that means it's all truth too right? :P

Why do all these people claim to have the truth,yet so many of their visions of hell,heaven,and even Jesus contradict one another?

Could it possibly be some of them are lying or have an agenda to make?There are a lot of scammers and fear mongerers among the Christian community too ya know?
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Obviously you have not bothered to watch any.

There are very few contradictions. Many are almost identical. The people live on the other side of the world and never heard of each other.
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How much she is selling the story for?
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It's free of course. Just like every other testimony of hell on youtube. Wonder why that is?

A number of the people who share their experience do not want to do so because of the fear of ridicule. But the importance of the truth overrides this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39791889


A lot of propaganda around is free..oh my goodness..guess that means it's all truth too right? :P

Why do all these people claim to have the truth,yet so many of their visions of hell,heaven,and even Jesus contradict one another?

Could it possibly be some of them are lying or have an agenda to make?There are a lot of scammers and fear mongerers among the Christian community too ya know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19962882


Obviously you have not bothered to watch any.

There are very few contradictions. Many are almost identical. The people live on the other side of the world and never heard of each other.
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Obviously you don't know me,because I've watched many of these so called testimonies in the past.

Oh wow...so you mean these people don't know each other,yet they were all still able to come up with stereotypical stories about people burning in hell fire for liking things they disapprove of?

Because of course God only knows only about 98% of people in the world have heard of hell,and can describe what it's supposed to look like amirite?

Ever heard of Dante's inferno?That is 100% truth too..Dante told me so.
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How much she is selling the story for?
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Matthew 13 10-17

His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”

He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. That is why I use these parables,

For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.

This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,

‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them.

“But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.

This is for those who can see
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Is it possible for you all to come up with your own material instead of reposing previously produced fragments of code and using them as justification for the program you are following to the logical conclusion of it?

Like moths into the flame.

they are ignorant of Truth.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil on the world wide web of lies.

The output from the dreamscape.

The garbage out from the garbage in.

This is the trash I throw out for free.

I could figure out how to make it more seductive and produce books or lies that that people kill each other to buy and believe are Truth.

To obtain more power than I currently do.

Worship the book or program which is obviously a lie people think is Truth.

Or there would not be the mess you see now...the garbage pile of lies being recycled over and over again trying to transform them into Truth.

and keep failing...and suffering damnation or negative consequences.

over and over again.

It powers all the threads on the world wide web of lies.

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The Bible says one is "burned up" or" consumed" in the Lake of Fire. They exist NO MORE!
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Yup, that and plus all the references to second death.
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All scripture not just your favorites, forever and ever, let alone comparing scripture to scripture. Annihilation/nirvana is not and never will be an option, all will be held accountable, none will avoid reward or punishment, YHVH God is Justice and Just as well as Love.
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How is infinite agony a just (by any stretch of the word!) punishment for whatever sins someone has committed in limited amount of time, while living in this tiny corner of the universe?
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The op has been shown to be a false witness. Talks about Greek and doesn't know the language. Can't answer simple questions about Greek, then tells me, who has studied Greek, to look into Greek? REALLY? I WORK WITH THE GREEK NT. I read it in GREEK. I've had years of actual study in GREEK (and not just Koine, but also Attic Greek). Someone who doesn't know Greek should not play the "the translation is false" crap. They don't know if the translation is false. They don't know Greek. They are reading what others say about the Greek, and reading into it what they want out of it, without knowing how to use the information properly. This op fails, just as one should expect.

amēn legō umin· osa ean dēsēte epi tēs gēs estai dedemena en ouranō, kai osa ean lusēte epi tēs gēs estai lelumena en ouranō
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Yep..got to keep god as a torturer and a sadist...not happy unless trillions are screaming forever are we you evil heartless puffed up with self knowledge freak.
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You just don't want , what will be, that is accountability, for every thought word and deed. There will be far more souls in heaven by a factor of at least 2 to 1, than there will be separated from YHVH/God , because that is what they want(;ole yourself), that is hell and the hell condition , to be separated from YHVH/God eternally, YHVH/God the source of all goodness, light love and anything that is right and wholesome and so much more.
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Where did you pull that 2:1 ratio from?

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