ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?

Where exactly it says that?

How does the Church decide just what the lake of fire is, what happens there, why, to whom, and for how long?

In Rev. 20 and 21 do not actually say what happens to a person who is thrown into the lake of fire?

It does not say they are burned or tortured. It does not say if they are killed.

Assumptions, assumptions...

Amazing isn't it...

So what is YOUR reality CHINA?

OP said,
* The character of God is maligned.
* The devil is exalted and Jesus Christ is made a failure.
* Numerous plain statements of scripture are contradicted.
* Teachings of some of the most respected church fathers are contradicted.
* Like a corrupt tree, it brings forth evil fruit

Please allow me to answer these three points with one question:

What motivates God to do all that He does? See this:
[link to theoparadox.blogspot.com]

Absent from God is hell. That would be the worse hell I could think off.

Jesus said he has the keys to heaven and hell, I would think a person might want to think what Hell is.

He is going to burn up sin and death, I don't think I misread. It is in Revelations and in Luke I think.

The best scriptures are the blessing Luke Chapters 6:20thou 28 and 6:29thou49 is the things he asks you to do, that are good.

Isn't it interesting how one's truth may be another's lie! How is this possible? We cannot take ONE step in another's shoes!

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 3:20-21

Restitution of ALL things , and God being ALL in ALL refutes a concept of eternal punishment..

But like prophet Isaiah said:

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isaiah 53:1

Majority of Christendom surly does not believe it

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A quick look at Universalism: [link to www.fether.net]

I find TRUTH everywhere and I find man's opinion everywhere! The BIBLE/SCRIPTURES are no different in this respect!

Agreed!

He said he has the keys of death and grave HADES {hah'-dace}/ Hebrew Sheul, it does not mean Hell.

For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
Lamentations 3:31

Yup, that and plus all the references to second death.

The Truth no better explained

I've studied Greek. I read Greek. I know the GRAMMAR which influences the SYNTAX. Sorry, OP. You don't know Greek. You are doing eisigesis. Reading what you want out of the words without knowing Greek. I asked you a simple grammar question and you went "duh." You fail. YOU FAIL.

Jesus talked about the continuous gnashing of teeth. The lake of fire is not destructive to the resurrected body.

What the??

WHT SORT OF EVIL TRIP are you on asking me if I beat my spouse?

Are you THAT TWISTED withevil and HATE??

Just goes to prove that those that beleive their God is a torturing sadists are just as twisted and evil as the god they worship.

I never hear any love or mercy or compassion come out of their mouths...just evil filth like this.

What sort of satanic being inhabits these people?/

they are just revenge obsessed cruel twisted heartless people..with all the sanity and stable mindedness of the darkest being their is..the one they think GOD is..

SATAN.

the lake of fire is a purification process. our God is consuming fire. God is in the restoration business. Go back to moses as he gazed upon the burning bush, it burned but was not consumed. He is an omega circle and EVERYone comes back to Him. Look at nature to confirm this. Is not even the universe rotating in an omega circle with all things eventually coming back to the beginning? When humans give up their physical bodies, they are not dying, just transitioning back into their spiritual form. we cannot die in that fashion for we are eternal beings. when the bible refers to death it is speaking of the experience of dying to or giving up one's own perceived diety and recognizing God's ultimate authority in one's life. that person is then given a new life. look at the kernel of corn. does it not have to die when placed in the ground, so that new life can germinate and shoot forth?

How something which does not exist in inspired Hebrew and Greek can be defended and called a Biblical doctrine?

Another paradox of Christendom...

The op has been shown to be a false witness. Talks about Greek and doesn't know the language. Can't answer simple questions about Greek, then tells me, who has studied Greek, to look into Greek? REALLY? I WORK WITH THE GREEK NT. I read it in GREEK. I've had years of actual study in GREEK (and not just Koine, but also Attic Greek). Someone who doesn't know Greek should not play the "the translation is false" crap. They don't know if the translation is false. They don't know Greek. They are reading what others say about the Greek, and reading into it what they want out of it, without knowing how to use the information properly. This op fails, just as one should expect.

amēn legō umin· osa ean dēsēte epi tēs gēs estai dedemena en ouranō, kai osa ean lusēte epi tēs gēs estai lelumena en ouranō

Precisely my point...

The problem is politicians use religion to force people in a suffering hell in order to gain heaven...



like Spartacus said ...

kill them all !

It's not about me..me or you not knowing Greek does not change the Truth...

First Church Fathers knew Greek, that;s why they preached the Truth of restitution of ALL things ...


If you know Greek what is false about this statement:

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The entire concept of eternal or everlasting punishment hinges primarily on a single verse of Scripture-- Matthew 25:46. This is the only place in the entire Bible where we find these two words together AND only in some Bibles. There are over a dozen English translations which do NOT contain the concept of "eternal punishment" on ANY of their pages, NOR the pagan concept of Hell.

The Greek form for "everlasting punishment" in Matthew 25:46 is ”kolasin aionion." Kolasin is a noun in the accusative form, singular voice, feminine gender and means "punishment, chastening, correction, to cut-off as in pruning a tree to bare more fruit." "Aionion" is the adjective form of "aion," in the singular form and means "pertaining to an eon or age, an indeterminate period of time." (Note: the two words in many, not all translations become reversed when bringing the Greek into English, that is, "kolasin aionion" literally punishment everlasting is reversed to everlasting punishment so as to make better sense in English.)

"Aionion," as shown above, is the singular form of the adjective of the Greek noun "aion." Many people unfamiliar with the Greek do not realize that the endings of the same word change (inflection) to indicate its mood, case, gender, etc. Therefore, "aionion" may appear with different endings. "Aionion, aioniou, aionios," for example, are all different inflections of the adjective form of the noun "aion."

The noun "aion" in Greek literature has always meant "an indeterminate period of time. It could be as short as the time Jonah spent in the belly of a fish (three days or nights even though the KJV has him in the "belly of Hell" "forever," obviously a mistranslation; see Jonah 2:2, 2:6.), the length of a man's life, or as long as an age.

The Bible speaks of at least 5 "aions" and perhaps many more. If there were "aions" in the past, then aions must have an end. The New Testament writers spoke of "the present wicked aion" which ended during that very generation. Obviously, it was followed by another "aion"-- the "aion" in which we presently live. If there are "aions" to come, it must mean that this one we live in will also end.

There is a verse which says "the consummation of the aions" proving that each "aion" ends. So how can they be eternal?
There is "the coming eon" (Matt.10:30, Luke 18:30
There is "the present wicked eon" (Gal.1:4)
There is "the oncoming eons (future)(Eph.2:7)
There is "the conclusion of the eon (present) (Mt.13:39,40)
There is "the secret concealed from the eons (past) (Eph.3:9)

Plainly, the Greek word "aion" transliterated "eon" cannot mean "eternal." A study into the Greek of the Biblical period and before will bear this out.

"Aionion" is the adjective of the noun "aion."

Since grammar rules mandate an adjective CANNOT take on a greater force than its noun form, it is evident that "aionion" in any of its adjective forms (ios, ou, on) CANNOT possible mean "everlasting" or anything remotely indicating eternity or unending time.

For example, "hourly" cannot mean "pertaining to days, weeks, months, or years. The word MUST mean "pertaining to an hour." Therefore, "aionion," the adjective form of the noun "aion" which clearly means a period of indeterminate TIME, CANNOT mean, "forever and ever, eternal, everlasting, eternity, etc." or other words which connote timelessness or unending ages.

Therefore, those many Bibles which do NOT contain the teaching of everlasting punishment or Hell are true to the original languages of Greek and Hebrew."

Show us a mistake and we can use a dictionaries and other references to check.

Please do

Yep..got to keep god as a torturer and a sadist...not happy unless trillions are screaming forever are we you evil heartless puffed up with self knowledge freak.

All scripture not just your favorites, forever and ever, let alone comparing scripture to scripture. Annihilation/nirvana is not and never will be an option, all will be held accountable, none will avoid reward or punishment, YHVH God is Justice and Just as well as Love.

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You abuse the patristics, and how the restoration of all things is done. They didn't say in the restoration people wouldn't face eternal perdition. They taught perdition as well as universal restoration: all will rise from the dead (restoration) to be judged and their eternal destiny determined.

Now it is funny, you go from "Greek Greek" to "patristics." But I know you would reject the Fathers when they go against your own private interpretation. Stop playing games. You are a flake. You lie. You LIED about the GREEK. You were proven not to know Greek. Stop talking about what you don't know. Grow up.

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Its DARK SINISTER HATE!

You just don't want , what will be, that is accountability, for every thought word and deed. There will be far more souls in heaven by a factor of at least 2 to 1, than there will be separated from YHVH/God , because that is what they want(;ole yourself), that is hell and the hell condition , to be separated from YHVH/God eternally, YHVH/God the source of all goodness, light love and anything that is right and wholesome and so much more.

Show us a mistake .

"all will rise from the dead (restoration) to be judged and their eternal destiny determined. "
Where does it say that? Scripture please.

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Keep hating..Im sure your dark lord approves.