ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?

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Once again...if everyone receives the same eternal damnation in the lake of fire,how will Christs words in the gospels and Revelation about every sinner receiving proper appropriate punishment for their sins come to pass?

In the gospels Jesus clearly says some will receive more or less 'stripes' (Punishment) for their sins than others will.Revelation states that the sinners were judged not only by if their name was in the lambs book of life (lost or saved),but they were judged according to their works in life.

If every sinner will burn forever in the lake of fire then there can not be varying levels of punishment.Unless you want to propose some ridiculous idea about certain parts of the lake of fire having the thermostat lower or some similar nonsense :P

You'll be waiting for a log time, because they despise The Word of God...

Sorry 'expert' your nice bible trophy or award isn't enough these days.


Now I'm off to shovel copius amounts of meds into my system.The medical 'experts' told me it was good for my health.And they couldn't ever possibly be mistaken :P

The problem with your exposition/doctrine of demons, Op, is that like the followers of the angel moroni(the morons of Utah), it leads to rehabilitation of the devil/satan/lucifer, all the other wicked spirits and unrepentant and unregenerate men and women, it means there is no justice or judgment, both of which are irrevocable attributes of YHVH/God who also is Love

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Taking more power than you give from GOD.

chopping down trees faster than they regrow to power your love of GOD and sustain the path of salvation.

leads to damnation for all eternity.

chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to power your love of GOD and sustain the path of salvation.

Sharing power equally with GOD.

Does not lead to damnation for all eternity.

knowledge of good and evil.

right and wrong

one and zero.

Take your pick of paths...the ignorant path to zero where you take more than you give chopping down trees faster than they regrow to defeat GOD...and obtain salvation from damnation.

and fail.

or

The knowledgeable path to one where you share power equally with GOD and chop down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to try not to defeat GOD...and obtain salvation from damnation.

and succeed.

Last Edited by Hypertiger on 08/30/2013 09:17 AM

aionian not eternal

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of ALL things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of ALL his holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 17:26

Do you believe this Scripture?

Lol I like how you equate the idea that sinners won't be burning forever as meaning there being no justice or judgement at all.Just goes to show the indoctrination.

Does the obvious alternative of God dishing out only as much punishment as that soul deserves before their souls complete destruction,elude you somehow?

If the lost are punished in accordance to their level of sin in life (as Jesus and Revelations clearly shows),then it is ridiculous to assume that normal lost humans will receive the same level of punishment as the antichrist,false prophet,and satan and his angels.

Good Q

Getting a person out of religious indoctrination as difficult as raising the dead..only God can do it..

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Many of the people who have experienced hell have never been involved in religion or cults etc.

People who have had other NDEs do not need to be explained! Not everyone experiences heaven or hell during an NDE.

You make no sense.

I don't think they hate God or his word.
I just think many of them are deluded,thinking that their interpretation alone is the correct one.I have repeatedly posted the same question 3 or 4 times now.

And considering how boldly they were talking before,and their sudden silence and insistence of avoiding the subject altoghether,I can tell I've touched a nerve :P

Good answer

Every time I give a plain scripture with no translation issue they just avoid it, and you expect your question to be answered? lol

Your Free to make choices, 1st he'd want you to love yourself,then ask yourself where does this love come from, you'd want to share your love which it was designed to do, God just want's to share his love with you. Do you know anyone who was actually tortured, Demons exist, they torture you, we all got them, we all got angels, Gods love is awesome, unconditional and lasts forever, He doesn't want to see you in hell with yourself. Whether you love yourself or not God will always love you.
It is why we are here!

Angelica Zambarano was taken to Hell and Heaven amazing story



[link to www.youtube.com]

How much she is selling the story for?

Well what they are proposing is simply ludicrous.
the bible clearly teaches that punishment will be dealt to sinners according to two criteria.

1: Are they born again,and their name in the lambs book of life?If so there is no further retribution for sin,God has taken that persons punishment on the cross.


2: If their name is not written in the lambs book of life,they will suffer punishment and destruction.That amount of punishment is to be determined by the other books that are opened that tell their level of sin in life.

These are valid scriptures that eternal doomers cannot throw aside,so they merely ignore them.


Think of it this way..
Suppose the punishment for every lost sinner is simply to be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity.Well if guys like Cain or the sinners that lived during the flood went to Sheol,they have been being punished in torments for several thousands of years now.Awaiting their eternal judgment.

The three most wicked beings that will ever exist (False prophet,antichrist,and satan) will not be exposed to hell or the lake of fire until the end of the tribulation.satan won't be thrown in there until after the millennial rule of christ.


So basically according to eternal doomers,Cain/the floods generations get to be tormented in hell for thousands of years while satan and his fallen remain free until the end of time.Then they get resurrected just long enough to be judged and thrown into the lake of fire.

In the end Cains generation gets 5000 plus years of torment,a brief reprieve,then an eternity in the lake of fire.satan and his angels only get the eternity.

In short that poor good hearted african tribesman that lived around 300 BC that never heard of Jesus or the Jewish God,gets a much longer sentence then satan himself.

lol eternal doomers..

It's free of course. Just like every other testimony of hell on youtube. Wonder why that is?

A number of the people who share their experience do not want to do so because of the fear of ridicule. But the importance of the truth overrides this.

Was this the same girl that said she saw Demons moon walking around Michael Jacksons burning carcass in hell?

I'm pretty sure she's also the one that talked about seeing an 8 yr old boy being in hell for being disobedient and daring to like *gasp* that satanic pokemon game/show :P

I believe in a temporary abode of the damned to await judgment.But in all honestly this sounds like bad fanfiction written for some kind of fear mongering agenda.

Jesus said His followes will know what He is doing, Q are you a follower of Jesus?

A lot of propaganda around is free..oh my goodness..guess that means it's all truth too right? :P

Why do all these people claim to have the truth,yet so many of their visions of hell,heaven,and even Jesus contradict one another?

Could it possibly be some of them are lying or have an agenda to make?There are a lot of scammers and fear mongerers among the Christian community too ya know?

Obviously you have not bothered to watch any.

There are very few contradictions. Many are almost identical. The people live on the other side of the world and never heard of each other.

Obviously you don't know me,because I've watched many of these so called testimonies in the past.

Oh wow...so you mean these people don't know each other,yet they were all still able to come up with stereotypical stories about people burning in hell fire for liking things they disapprove of?

Because of course God only knows only about 98% of people in the world have heard of hell,and can describe what it's supposed to look like amirite?

Ever heard of Dante's inferno?That is 100% truth too..Dante told me so.

Matthew 13 10-17

His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”

He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. That is why I use these parables,

For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.

This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,

‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them.

“But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.

This is for those who can see

Is it possible for you all to come up with your own material instead of reposing previously produced fragments of code and using them as justification for the program you are following to the logical conclusion of it?

Like moths into the flame.

they are ignorant of Truth.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil on the world wide web of lies.

The output from the dreamscape.

The garbage out from the garbage in.

This is the trash I throw out for free.

I could figure out how to make it more seductive and produce books or lies that that people kill each other to buy and believe are Truth.

To obtain more power than I currently do.

Worship the book or program which is obviously a lie people think is Truth.

Or there would not be the mess you see now...the garbage pile of lies being recycled over and over again trying to transform them into Truth.

and keep failing...and suffering damnation or negative consequences.

over and over again.

It powers all the threads on the world wide web of lies.

Last Edited by Hypertiger on 08/30/2013 09:57 AM

How is infinite agony a just (by any stretch of the word!) punishment for whatever sins someone has committed in limited amount of time, while living in this tiny corner of the universe?

Where did you pull that 2:1 ratio from?

Last Edited by Abyss Lady on 08/30/2013 09:59 AM