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Language of the Void

 
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ok i will, this is the coolest thing because ive been experencing all this and seeing this puts a new dimention to it. i can now apply the temrms to what i know and look for it. remarkable. i love it thx again. hope this thread goes long and i will visit it often.

stupid query... can you define or elaborate .. 'void' , that isnt the matrix itself right.. ?
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ok i will, this is the coolest thing because ive been experencing all this and seeing this puts a new dimention to it. i can now apply the temrms to what i know and look for it. remarkable. i love it thx again. hope this thread goes long and i will visit it often.

stupid query... can you define or elaborate .. 'void' , that isnt the matrix itself right.. ?
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Check these out:

Thread: Surviving the Void

Thread: Strangeness (UFO's, Dimensionals, and "The Chair")
- The Spider Kid
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House

A "house" is a mind or a school of thought. When one dwells in another's house, one has chosen to take that person/thing's ideals and make them one's own. Most people we encounter live in "someone's" house. Some of us choose to occupy our OWN dwellings.
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i found my own house, and eden's eye.
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ok i will, this is the coolest thing because ive been experencing all this and seeing this puts a new dimention to it. i can now apply the temrms to what i know and look for it. remarkable. i love it thx again. hope this thread goes long and i will visit it often.

stupid query... can you define or elaborate .. 'void' , that isnt the matrix itself right.. ?
 Quoting: webbyBird


Check these out:

Thread: Surviving the Void

Thread: Strangeness (UFO's, Dimensionals, and "The Chair")
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


thank you! wow ive got a good night ahead once im off work
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Is this your truth?
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ok i will, this is the coolest thing because ive been experencing all this and seeing this puts a new dimention to it. i can now apply the temrms to what i know and look for it. remarkable. i love it thx again. hope this thread goes long and i will visit it often.

stupid query... can you define or elaborate .. 'void' , that isnt the matrix itself right.. ?
 Quoting: webbyBird


Check these out:

Thread: Surviving the Void

Thread: Strangeness (UFO's, Dimensionals, and "The Chair")
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


thank you! wow ive got a good night ahead once im off work
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No problem. I am glad you are getting something out of it.
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Is this your truth?
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Is what my truth?
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Matrix

Refers to the traditional "reality" which we inhabit. This is very confusing for many people who stumble into this "scene" because they become convinced that we are actually living in a computer matrix which we are somehow plugged into and that when we awake we will be somewhere completely different. This is not the case. The "matrix" simply refers to the physical world and traditional understanding of reality which we are bound to when we are "sleeping." When we enter the void, we are still connected to the "matrix" but have become aware of external realities which can interact with ours.
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I'm pretty certain this is off a bit. the matrix to me is a delusion that effects people's way of thinking in a way that they assume during an "awakened" moment that they will eventually go back to "sleeping". The "awakened" period of time is then believed by the individual to be the only time they can think this way, so when they become "unplugged" they accept their assumed "unconsciousness" and don't interact with the awakened way of thinking because they can't fathom that it's even possible with such a large amount of people that have no clue what I'm talking about right now. *This is from personal experience btw.

*"this" as in what I typed, not as in the human experience or anything grand like that. there's no double meaning there. no metaphysical monsters making me say two things at once, just hypothetical misunderstandings. I don't know how to say things perfectly clear as to not be misunderstood. most people don't. Shit happens.
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OP, this may be stupid or out of bounds but its sincere.

what are your thoughts on the void and cannabis? or cannabis in general? because ive been myself going through a major major change, not one im ready to "label" as im awake because that sounds stupid and some people that say that are far from it, but my eyes began to open to the world around me and inside of me. I have been a heavy mj user and it was to my belief at first that mj brought me to or enhanced this. however i am now not so sure and i have to change my ways as in most it doesnt serve me, or at least how i was using it.



anyhow im in transition now and just wondered what you though as a person i know can at least admire for your wisdom.


since ive sobered a bit up, i now think cannabis was possibly not my vessle at all especially because i see so many other users that are cannabis users taht do not seek any advancement or anything other than to use it to make their simple activities more enjoyable.

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These types of threads are the ones that have drawn me to this forum for many years. Interesting :) and have bookmarked your threads for further reading.
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Kai i'm curious if you are aware of the Toltec framework, the first and second attention:

"The first and second energy fields connect only to will. These points form a mating, a pair consisting of order and void, known and unknown. Don Juan refers to these points as the tonal (toh-na'hl) and the nagual (nah-wa'hl) as well as the first and second attentions (Tales, 121; Fire, 46). The first field reflects order and organization. It allows you to gain awareness of relations between and among the elements of any dimension, physical or nonphysical. Through the selective cueing of what is considered important in forming an inventory, reason arranges the order found in the first field. As valuable as this is, it is a limited, indirect cultivation and formation of what is known about the world. Typically, this process gives you something to talk about and then listens to itself, creating a self-serving loop of information: self-reflection.
It is for this reason that don Juan considers stopping the internal dialogue one of the more important techniques (Tales, 34, 233). By interrupting the normal flow of thoughts that uphold your world, you allow new perceptions to surface. This enables you to suspend the constant brain chatter that tells you that "this is thus" and "that is so."
The second energy field pertains to a void that is full. it is the space between bits of matter, and yet it is not. It contains all matter yet is not matter. It also produces an effect of movement, just as the black spaces between individual, still pictures produce the effect of movement as you watch a motion picture. Referring to this as void, space, and effect places it into some kind of order and thus automatica1ly puts it in the domain of the first field. But to get the notion and then the experience that there is another dimension to human awareness requires a little selective cueing, and so the descriptive words help get the idea across"
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Houses? I think some of us have built our own castles complete with a moat for the sharks :-) lol. I am in awe of your ability to articulate that which leaves me speechless, even breathless at times. I like how you pull order out of the chaos. I'll be spending time with some very wise native american elders next weekend and am hoping to get their perspective on the void. I'll report back ,good sir :-)
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What about the Vampires don't forget about those pesky Vampires
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House

A "house" is a mind or a school of thought. When one dwells in another's house, one has chosen to take that person/thing's ideals and make them one's own. Most people we encounter live in "someone's" house. Some of us choose to occupy our OWN dwellings.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


And some of us are forced (by higher aspects of own self) to occupy dwellings of others to clean up their pestilence

Belief systems don't matter much but the energies attached to them matter most
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hmmm, notice how OP left out Vampires, that is JUST what a Vampire would do!! hmm
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hmmm, notice how OP left out Vampires, that is JUST what a Vampire would do!! hmm
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House

A "house" is a mind or a school of thought. When one dwells in another's house, one has chosen to take that person/thing's ideals and make them one's own. Most people we encounter live in "someone's" house. Some of us choose to occupy our OWN dwellings.
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A House is a matrix
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House

A "house" is a mind or a school of thought. When one dwells in another's house, one has chosen to take that person/thing's ideals and make them one's own. Most people we encounter live in "someone's" house. Some of us choose to occupy our OWN dwellings.
 Quoting: Kai (VALIS)


A House is a matrix
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is a room within the Matrix :)
a cube in a cube in a cube...
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"in my fathers house there are many mansions"

or you can pledge your allegiance to the flag and join a house with representatives.

Who's your daddy?
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So do i stay here or am i going to play wow until i'v had it with the area incl mom and dad who stay not healthy ?
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When i was 5 or so i always called my parents at 17:00 to ask if they didnt got an accident...for a while only his dad died not mine.
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OP, this may be stupid or out of bounds but its sincere.

what are your thoughts on the void and cannabis? or cannabis in general? because ive been myself going through a major major change, not one im ready to "label" as im awake because that sounds stupid and some people that say that are far from it, but my eyes began to open to the world around me and inside of me. I have been a heavy mj user and it was to my belief at first that mj brought me to or enhanced this. however i am now not so sure and i have to change my ways as in most it doesnt serve me, or at least how i was using it.



anyhow im in transition now and just wondered what you though as a person i know can at least admire for your wisdom.


since ive sobered a bit up, i now think cannabis was possibly not my vessle at all especially because i see so many other users that are cannabis users taht do not seek any advancement or anything other than to use it to make their simple activities more enjoyable.
 Quoting: webbyBird


Weed is what you make of it. However, I have noticed this:

Dopamine is our brain's "reward system." Whenever we learn something, a certain amount of dopamine is released into the brain. When we restrict dopamine (as in with people who are "manic" or "bipolar") we disallow this "reward system" from working. Often times, when dopamine is restricted we can become "stuck" in a place where we do not care to learn anything at all.

Weed, on the other hand, actually gives us an extra dose of dopamine. This is why everything we see and learn (when high) is so much more interesting. It seems that moderate use (up to a couple of times a day) can be very healthy and promote investigation and learning. However, going beyond that seems to make us "worn out." We cease to receive any effects from it at all. I will also say that it is the only drug I can think of which seems to have no dangerous consequences. It simply loses its worth when we use it too much.

In summary, I'd say that its use is beneficial. If you smoke too much, just try to take a break.
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Kai i'm curious if you are aware of the Toltec framework, the first and second attention:

"The first and second energy fields connect only to will. These points form a mating, a pair consisting of order and void, known and unknown. Don Juan refers to these points as the tonal (toh-na'hl) and the nagual (nah-wa'hl) as well as the first and second attentions (Tales, 121; Fire, 46). The first field reflects order and organization. It allows you to gain awareness of relations between and among the elements of any dimension, physical or nonphysical. Through the selective cueing of what is considered important in forming an inventory, reason arranges the order found in the first field. As valuable as this is, it is a limited, indirect cultivation and formation of what is known about the world. Typically, this process gives you something to talk about and then listens to itself, creating a self-serving loop of information: self-reflection.
It is for this reason that don Juan considers stopping the internal dialogue one of the more important techniques (Tales, 34, 233). By interrupting the normal flow of thoughts that uphold your world, you allow new perceptions to surface. This enables you to suspend the constant brain chatter that tells you that "this is thus" and "that is so."
The second energy field pertains to a void that is full. it is the space between bits of matter, and yet it is not. It contains all matter yet is not matter. It also produces an effect of movement, just as the black spaces between individual, still pictures produce the effect of movement as you watch a motion picture. Referring to this as void, space, and effect places it into some kind of order and thus automatica1ly puts it in the domain of the first field. But to get the notion and then the experience that there is another dimension to human awareness requires a little selective cueing, and so the descriptive words help get the idea across"
 Quoting: andreidita


I have experienced this (though I did not have a word for it) and the feedback loop, in particular, is very interesting. At a certain point, through certain types of thought and experience, I was able to move into the "everything" phase. Here (in the void) we can connect everything without ascribing one necessary answer to any one thing. We begin to see that every possible effect of everything has multiple sources and meanings. When we begin to connect at THIS stage, things get extremely interesting.
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Houses? I think some of us have built our own castles complete with a moat for the sharks :-) lol. I am in awe of your ability to articulate that which leaves me speechless, even breathless at times. I like how you pull order out of the chaos. I'll be spending time with some very wise native american elders next weekend and am hoping to get their perspective on the void. I'll report back ,good sir :-)
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Much appreciated!
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hmmm, notice how OP left out Vampires, that is JUST what a Vampire would do!! hmm
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Gabe, you trickster. I'll be sure to include the "vampires" very soon.
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Vampires (as promised)

A "vampire" is anything which feeds on the energy or sustenance of another thing. Technically, a vampire can drain any type of energy but most people notice that they tend to drain positive energy, leaving the victim drained and in a low mental or emotional state. Interestingly, many "vampires" are not aware that of what they are what they are doing. Many are simply depressive or distraught and angry beings which inadvertently focus these "energies" and inflict them on others, thus draining them.
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And here goes the million dollars question:


Why are there human sacrifices?



I will never be trapped into "forgeting" about this "little detail".

Don't try to convince me you know everything and has "wisdom" if you fail to explain with some occultist societies kill people in "human sacrifices".

I know it happens, so, don't pretend it doesn't happen.

Why they do this?

Who asks them to do it?
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And here goes the million dollars question:


Why are there human sacrifices?



I will never be trapped into "forgeting" about this "little detail".

Don't try to convince me you know everything and has "wisdom" if you fail to explain with some occultist societies kill people in "human sacrifices".

I know it happens, so, don't pretend it doesn't happen.

Why they do this?

Who asks them to do it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46121424


a. I am not trying to convince YOU of anything. I am providing a system of correlations which many people may be able to perceive.

b. There are human sacrifices because certain morons and very sick people have convinced themselves that such a thing is necessary. Who asks them to do it? Their "leaders" or their own sickened consciousnesses, misconstrued as external sources.
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Is not void solely the moment before the collapse of the wave. The intuitive moment before mind (conciousness)turns into utterance(vibration) and the instance before utterance creating the functional form of glyph(light body)?


It is the silence and language to silence is the form of outline.

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