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I have ascended and can help you ascend as well. AMA

 
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Wow, what was that? Just felt a major wave of energy! <3

Anyway, I still hope to help the people down here in some way...there's a little time left still.
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There is no shill here. Old philosophers are drawing from the same source of knowledge that star seeds do. The Akashic records. All I am saying is when you try to understand what they are saying, its generally watered down with a ton of opinion.
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You're wrong. Your line of reasoning wouldn't even be possible without Plato.

His similes anticipated Christian doctrine some 600+ years before they ever surfaced.

For Plato opinion was concerned with the illusory world whereas pure knowledge concerned with the 'real' world which was attained by study and meditation.

So there.
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Sounds like a great guy. I'll have to study him more, any good introductory material into his study?
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Read The Republic. a real eye opener OP.
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a real third eye opener. he mentions the third/minds eye a lot.
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I can't help but be distracted by world events - war, shadow governments, disinformation, bastardization of the food and water we consume. I pursue the goal of self-mastery, but have been so bogged down in fear for humanity.

Fear that we will not make it out of this together. Fear of the belief systems that keep us separate in so many ways.

Is earth headed for a collective wake-up call that will "cleanse" TPTB, and change the archetypes that seem to be the foundation of our world (greed/power/money)?
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You live in North America. You have nothing to be afraid of.
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Hah! What a shit answer!

North America is the home of poisoned food (GMO) backwards medicine (doctors throw pills at every problem) water supply poisoned by flouride and in some states fracking. Millions of sick people that are that way due to lack of awareness, which is encouraged by the ruling body (govt.)

You misdirected my question, I am not afraid just for myself, I am afraid and worried for all of mankind.

Not that i expected "help" here, I know what I'm doing, just thought you'd have deeper insight into humanity's future.

You will just shrug this off, and say I am humanity's future. Some big help you've been ascended fellow, thx.
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FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real
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Love that take on F.E.A.R !

I feel I may be slowly ascending as my tolerance is growing for things I previously could not stand. People are becoming more and more human to me. I am becoming able to perceive things in a way that us somehow bypassing my own personal opinions and judgements. It is not easy to be in this world we find ourselves at this time. It is hard for everyone and I feel that people are really doing the best they know how or are able to. We are all in this together and it has got to be understood that each and every one of us bring a unique gift to the table.

I am stepping aside and not judging. I have no place to judge, I only have purpose to see people without bias. Things are taking on a softer hue. I am falling in love daily with a myriad of folks.

I don't know if this is truly ascension. I do know however that I smile a whole lot and the more I do it, the more I notice others doing the same.

People are beautiful. Bless our Hearts and remember that even with all our faults, we remain innocent. There is no one more special than another. Regardless of wrong or right doings. God plays no favorites, and He brings us nothing but Angels. It is the all inclusive exclusive!!!!!!

Remember? You and I and Us + WE= Wholly Enveloped.

Forgive All
Remember Your Purpose
Your greatest weapon is having no defense.

Thank You for this wonderful post OP

I thank God that every single person is joining me on this journey of life. I Love each and every one of You with no condition.
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There is no shill here. Old philosophers are drawing from the same source of knowledge that star seeds do. The Akashic records. All I am saying is when you try to understand what they are saying, its generally watered down with a ton of opinion.
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You're wrong. Your line of reasoning wouldn't even be possible without Plato.

His similes anticipated Christian doctrine some 600+ years before they ever surfaced.

For Plato opinion was concerned with the illusory world whereas pure knowledge concerned with the 'real' world which was attained by study and meditation.

So there.
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Sounds like a great guy. I'll have to study him more, any good introductory material into his study?
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Read The Republic. a real eye opener OP.
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greatly appreciated. will do.
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Op, I appriciate it. But you kinda say nothing by saying general things.

I understand the idea of universal love of one self applied to others. One is everything and the hardest path is from brain to heart.

But other then general advice I can tell ppl also, you don't seems more 4th then me.
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Wow, what was that? Just felt a major wave of energy! <3

Anyway, I still hope to help the people down here in some way...there's a little time left still.
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You are connected to them. I feel it too. Your hybrid children are learning from you. If you wish to discuss this in private I would love to. The knowledge that I have to share is only believed by a small percent of people on the planet at this time.

Hybrid children are learning what it is to be human through their parents that are living on earth. You go in dream state to visit them and see them and teach them what you are learning. That is how you are connected to them.

Star seeds are born on earth with 0 actual experience on this planet. We learn from holographs of other human's experiences.
This allows for us to ascend faster because we are greatly connected to source and remember everything quite rapidly. We have guides that we can channel without the use of record. We have 4th dimensional beings that work with us to teach us what we need to know, so that they can learn what it is that we learned so that they can teach the hybrid children.

hybrid children are physical beings that are going to be coming to earth in the future but are waiting until we and they are ready. they are learning what it is to be human but by not being human. they have some human dna, but also have alien dna.
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You must be apathetic to understand what true passion is.
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I see! Yes, when the apathy hits it is the worst feeling in the world. It makes me almost suicidal. It makes you feel as thought there were no point in living.

But when the miracles happen, then it is the opposite. I love my life so much and wouldn't trade with anyone else for the world.

Both my kids are very spiritual. Funny, I didn't mention that I have kids...:)
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Op, I appriciate it. But you kinda say nothing by saying general things.

I understand the idea of universal love of one self applied to others. One is everything and the hardest path is from brain to heart.

But other then general advice I can tell ppl also, you don't seems more 4th then me.
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Why is the path so hard to go from your brain to your heart?
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You live in North America. You have nothing to be afraid of.
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Hah! What a shit answer!

North America is the home of poisoned food (GMO) backwards medicine (doctors throw pills at every problem) water supply poisoned by flouride and in some states fracking. Millions of sick people that are that way due to lack of awareness, which is encouraged by the ruling body (govt.)

You misdirected my question, I am not afraid just for myself, I am afraid and worried for all of mankind.

Not that i expected "help" here, I know what I'm doing, just thought you'd have deeper insight into humanity's future.

You will just shrug this off, and say I am humanity's future. Some big help you've been ascended fellow, thx.
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FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real
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Love that take on F.E.A.R !

I feel I may be slowly ascending as my tolerance is growing for things I previously could not stand. People are becoming more and more human to me. I am becoming able to perceive things in a way that us somehow bypassing my own personal opinions and judgements. It is not easy to be in this world we find ourselves at this time. It is hard for everyone and I feel that people are really doing the best they know how or are able to. We are all in this together and it has got to be understood that each and every one of us bring a unique gift to the table.

I am stepping aside and not judging. I have no place to judge, I only have purpose to see people without bias. Things are taking on a softer hue. I am falling in love daily with a myriad of folks.

I don't know if this is truly ascension. I do know however that I smile a whole lot and the more I do it, the more I notice others doing the same.

People are beautiful. Bless our Hearts and remember that even with all our faults, we remain innocent. There is no one more special than another. Regardless of wrong or right doings. God plays no favorites, and He brings us nothing but Angels. It is the all inclusive exclusive!!!!!!

Remember? You and I and Us + WE= Wholly Enveloped.

Forgive All
Remember Your Purpose
Your greatest weapon is having no defense.

Thank You for this wonderful post OP

I thank God that every single person is joining me on this journey of life. I Love each and every one of You with no condition.
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Don't be afraid to judge, especially if you are willing to learn from it and determine what it is you prefer after you judge. Judging to be a criting and judging to be used as observing to learn are two different things.
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Judging to be a critic and judging to be used as observing to learn are two different things.
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I see! Yes, when the apathy hits it is the worst feeling in the world. It makes me almost suicidal. It makes you feel as thought there were no point in living.

But when the miracles happen, then it is the opposite. I love my life so much and wouldn't trade with anyone else for the world.

Both my kids are very spiritual. Funny, I didn't mention that I have kids...:)
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hybrid children and star seeds are different. hybrid children aren't here yet.

they are most likely star seeds and probably know their hybrid brothers and sisters
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Wow, what was that? Just felt a major wave of energy! <3

Anyway, I still hope to help the people down here in some way...there's a little time left still.
 Quoting: Gatica


You are connected to them. I feel it too. Your hybrid children are learning from you. If you wish to discuss this in private I would love to. The knowledge that I have to share is only believed by a small percent of people on the planet at this time.

Hybrid children are learning what it is to be human through their parents that are living on earth. You go in dream state to visit them and see them and teach them what you are learning. That is how you are connected to them.

Star seeds are born on earth with 0 actual experience on this planet. We learn from holographs of other human's experiences.
This allows for us to ascend faster because we are greatly connected to source and remember everything quite rapidly. We have guides that we can channel without the use of record. We have 4th dimensional beings that work with us to teach us what we need to know, so that they can learn what it is that we learned so that they can teach the hybrid children.

hybrid children are physical beings that are going to be coming to earth in the future but are waiting until we and they are ready. they are learning what it is to be human but by not being human. they have some human dna, but also have alien dna.
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I see!! I had misunderstood you. Wow. I felt the energy again when I was reading this. That is really wonderful.

Thank you! hf
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Wow, what was that? Just felt a major wave of energy! <3

Anyway, I still hope to help the people down here in some way...there's a little time left still.
 Quoting: Gatica


You are connected to them. I feel it too. Your hybrid children are learning from you. If you wish to discuss this in private I would love to. The knowledge that I have to share is only believed by a small percent of people on the planet at this time.

Hybrid children are learning what it is to be human through their parents that are living on earth. You go in dream state to visit them and see them and teach them what you are learning. That is how you are connected to them.

Star seeds are born on earth with 0 actual experience on this planet. We learn from holographs of other human's experiences.
This allows for us to ascend faster because we are greatly connected to source and remember everything quite rapidly. We have guides that we can channel without the use of record. We have 4th dimensional beings that work with us to teach us what we need to know, so that they can learn what it is that we learned so that they can teach the hybrid children.

hybrid children are physical beings that are going to be coming to earth in the future but are waiting until we and they are ready. they are learning what it is to be human but by not being human. they have some human dna, but also have alien dna.
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I see!! I had misunderstood you. Wow. I felt the energy again when I was reading this. That is really wonderful.

Thank you! hf
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The clarity is beautiful. You feel it in your heart.
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Alright everyone. That was great. Hope you all learned as much as I did from this journey.

I'll try to be consistent.


I'll come back 1 week from now.

Anyone else who thinks of questions before then and now write them own in here.

I'll come bump the thread 1 week from today.

I may check in a couple of times throughout the week.


Thanks everyone, learned a lot. It was great.
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What's the point of ascending?
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OP, can meditation be practiced by one in order to heal sickness, and or Bio-ticks within the body?

What course of meditation should be practiced in this case.

I am resolving Karma I brought upon myself with faith and authority, over fear and defeat. All the while my body is still undergoing the symptoms of sickness, which I cast down continually.

Man made medicines have made it difficult to decide whether what I am feeling is a result of Medication or sickness. My battle is Spiritual, Physical, and I'm Mentally fighting Negative answers resulting from virus/dis-ease research.

Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks.
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OP, can meditation be practiced by one in order to heal sickness, and or Bio-ticks within the body?

What course of meditation should be practiced in this case.

I am resolving Karma I brought upon myself with faith and authority, over fear and defeat. All the while my body is still undergoing the symptoms of sickness, which I cast down continually.

Man made medicines have made it difficult to decide whether what I am feeling is a result of Medication or sickness. My battle is Spiritual, Physical, and I'm Mentally fighting Negative answers resulting from virus/dis-ease research.

Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks.
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How long have you been ingesting man made medicine for? and at what consistency?
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What's the point of ascending?
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Great question.

Imagine this.

Everything is ONE thing. there is only ONE thing.

There is nothing outside of this one thing. It does not even know that it exists, until it splits itself. Once it makes the first split, it in cases itself with a reflection and immediately becomes aware of itself.

It realizes that it exists, but doesn't know what it is. It is our job as humans to descend as far as we possibly can/could. The purpose of this was/is so that us (extensions of this one thing) can become more aware of what we are and what we prefer.

Imagine this ONE THING that is aware of itself is PURE LOVE. Love in its most purest form. Well, it wouldn't know what it is until it became aware of what it isn't. Thats when we come into play.

The purpose of ascending is remembering what it is you are.
The purpose of descending is becoming aware of what you are.

To elaborate on this would mean I have to explain how everything is eternal and there is actually no such thing as time, but that's too deep for right now.
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OP, can meditation be practiced by one in order to heal sickness, and or Bio-ticks within the body?

What course of meditation should be practiced in this case.

I am resolving Karma I brought upon myself with faith and authority, over fear and defeat. All the while my body is still undergoing the symptoms of sickness, which I cast down continually.

Man made medicines have made it difficult to decide whether what I am feeling is a result of Medication or sickness. My battle is Spiritual, Physical, and I'm Mentally fighting Negative answers resulting from virus/dis-ease research.

Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks.
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How long have you been ingesting man made medicine for? and at what consistency?
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If it has been a long time, you cannot abandon it. You have created a belief that it is what "heals" you and so it is.

It will take weeks, maybe months, to heal your body to the point where you have a belief system strong enough to support your immune system naturally to rid yourself of whatever disease you have created for yourself.

"whatever disease you have created for yourself." is fundamental in understanding what it is you may be going through.
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I have ascended.

I will be visiting these forums more and more in the future to help yourself and others like you ascend so that we can all begin to help one another ascend more rapidly.

For now we can use this thread for our discussions. I will be willing to have private sessions at a later date, but for now I will help people ascend this way.

ASK ME ANYTHING. I can answer it for you. ANYTHING.

I will not respond to questions if they have a hint of sarcasm, or if the question is loaded and/or has evil intention.


Let us begin.
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Thread: Earth's Vibration will go up a notch on August 28th 2013!!!

peace peace peace
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I have ascended.

I will be visiting these forums more and more in the future to help yourself and others like you ascend so that we can all begin to help one another ascend more rapidly.

For now we can use this thread for our discussions. I will be willing to have private sessions at a later date, but for now I will help people ascend this way.

ASK ME ANYTHING. I can answer it for you. ANYTHING.

I will not respond to questions if they have a hint of sarcasm, or if the question is loaded and/or has evil intention.


Let us begin.
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Thread: Earth's Vibration will go up a notch on August 28th 2013!!!

peace peace peace
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Yeah, there's really no stopping us now at this point.

No more pretend spiritual guru's can fool star seeds. It's impossible.
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OP, can meditation be practiced by one in order to heal sickness, and or Bio-ticks within the body?

What course of meditation should be practiced in this case.

I am resolving Karma I brought upon myself with faith and authority, over fear and defeat. All the while my body is still undergoing the symptoms of sickness, which I cast down continually.

Man made medicines have made it difficult to decide whether what I am feeling is a result of Medication or sickness. My battle is Spiritual, Physical, and I'm Mentally fighting Negative answers resulting from virus/dis-ease research.

Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks.
 Quoting: PresentForeverPast 3025141



How long have you been ingesting man made medicine for? and at what consistency?
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If it has been a long time, you cannot abandon it. You have created a belief that it is what "heals" you and so it is.

It will take weeks, maybe months, to heal your body to the point where you have a belief system strong enough to support your immune system naturally to rid yourself of whatever disease you have created for yourself.

"whatever disease you have created for yourself." is fundamental in understanding what it is you may be going through.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46060053


I feel your pain. And although you have been raised to believe that something "out there" will cure you, it's not true, well it is, but only to a point, then its up to you.

Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. Don't.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially when it comes to FDA approved drugs.

The FDA is the worlds biggest drug dealer, and he someone managed to convince everyone he isn't.

Don't just toss all your old beliefs out the window. Accept them and start trying to move yourself to a different belief system, one that consists of belief in yourself. The first thing you must do is accept full responsibility for everything in your life. You must, even if it is something that appears to have manifested from somewhere "out there".

I wish you the best of luck. Learn Chakra meditation and use the color green. Create a symbol of your illness in your mind's eye and use the color green to heal it. use a green infinity symbol and wrap it around the symbol that you create that represents your dis-ease.
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OP, can meditation be practiced by one in order to heal sickness, and or Bio-ticks within the body?

What course of meditation should be practiced in this case.

I am resolving Karma I brought upon myself with faith and authority, over fear and defeat. All the while my body is still undergoing the symptoms of sickness, which I cast down continually.

Man made medicines have made it difficult to decide whether what I am feeling is a result of Medication or sickness. My battle is Spiritual, Physical, and I'm Mentally fighting Negative answers resulting from virus/dis-ease research.

Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks.
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How long have you been ingesting man made medicine for? and at what consistency?
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About 2 months now. I just finished a 2 week course and 1 150mg Diflucan pill 6 days ago.

Before that I received a Zithromax 1g dose and Rocephin shot.

Most of my symptoms were resolved, but the random aches, dull pain, and small muscle spasms all over have continued.
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Judging to be a critic and judging to be used as observing to learn are two different things.
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So true that. The first is in no way productive. The second would be more like judging for discernment?
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Op, I appriciate it. But you kinda say nothing by saying general things.

I understand the idea of universal love of one self applied to others. One is everything and the hardest path is from brain to heart.

But other then general advice I can tell ppl also, you don't seems more 4th then me.
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Why is the path so hard to go from your brain to your heart?
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Because it's the natural way for everything to go.
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What does a star seed look like?



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I have ascended.

I will be visiting these forums more and more in the future to help yourself and others like you ascend so that we can all begin to help one another ascend more rapidly.

For now we can use this thread for our discussions. I will be willing to have private sessions at a later date, but for now I will help people ascend this way.

ASK ME ANYTHING. I can answer it for you. ANYTHING.

I will not respond to questions if they have a hint of sarcasm, or if the question is loaded and/or has evil intention.


Let us begin.
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I heard Zoloft™ can cause a dry mouth. Is that true with you?
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OP, can meditation be practiced by one in order to heal sickness, and or Bio-ticks within the body?

What course of meditation should be practiced in this case.

I am resolving Karma I brought upon myself with faith and authority, over fear and defeat. All the while my body is still undergoing the symptoms of sickness, which I cast down continually.

Man made medicines have made it difficult to decide whether what I am feeling is a result of Medication or sickness. My battle is Spiritual, Physical, and I'm Mentally fighting Negative answers resulting from virus/dis-ease research.

Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks.
 Quoting: PresentForeverPast 3025141



How long have you been ingesting man made medicine for? and at what consistency?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46060053


About 2 months now. I just finished a 2 week course and 1 150mg Diflucan pill 6 days ago.

Before that I received a Zithromax 1g dose and Rocephin shot.

Most of my symptoms were resolved, but the random aches, dull pain, and small muscle spasms all over have continued.
 Quoting: PresentForeverPast 3025141



Well if symptoms are being resolved is sounds as though you are on the path to healing. Remember though, believing that you can't have gain without the pain will create a life where you experience that.

Your body and mind are connected. Your immune system reflects your belief system.
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I have ascended.

I will be visiting these forums more and more in the future to help yourself and others like you ascend so that we can all begin to help one another ascend more rapidly.

For now we can use this thread for our discussions. I will be willing to have private sessions at a later date, but for now I will help people ascend this way.

ASK ME ANYTHING. I can answer it for you. ANYTHING.

I will not respond to questions if they have a hint of sarcasm, or if the question is loaded and/or has evil intention.


Let us begin.
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I heard Zoloft™ can cause a dry mouth. Is that true with you?
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I do have a dark sense of humor, so I'll play.

How does it feel to live in a country that is like that kid in school that thinks that they are so funny and cool, but everyone around them know's they aren't?

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