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Theories on where Lucifer / Simple Simon landed on this planet. Baalbek, Lebanon ?

 
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watching Ancieeeent Alienz...where did he come down to Earth...or back up from Hell

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quite embarrassing since i am from Venus but i am a very forgetful alien

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seems obvious, could not have been Atlantis, Algeria or Jerusalem

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i actually reconstructed his park/temple in Estonia, in miniature

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watching Ancieeeent Alienz...where did he come down to Earth...or back up from Hell

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Fool, keep looking for the devil. And he will find you.
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watching Ancieeeent Alienz...where did he come down to Earth...or back up from Hell

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Fool, keep looking for the devil. And he will find you.
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Some people think he's Prometheus, a hero. You know like Napoleon or Hitler are for some people.
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www.joyofsatan.org
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www.joyofsatan.org
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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The north pole (source Dante Alighieri):
[link to members.xoom.virgilio.it]
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
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on the moon
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
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Satan -> Saturn
Lucifer -> Venus
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Always funny seeing people who hate God argue over the texts inspired by him...........................
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Satan -> Saturn
Lucifer -> Venus
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Actually, no. You're wrong. www.urantia.org. Look up the Lucifer rebellion.
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The north pole (source Dante Alighieri):
[link to members.xoom.virgilio.it]
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Poles have a habit of shifting
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
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yes, just like i said. i want to know where he landed here not where he came from and where he is right now
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on the moon
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the Garden Eden

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close but no cigar

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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Satan -> Saturn
Lucifer -> Venus
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Actually, no. You're wrong. www.urantia.org. Look up the Lucifer rebellion.
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Well. There is the principle and there is the spirit.

If we talk about the principle i'm pretty sure it's representation of Venus and stating that it landed on this planet doesn't compute.

If we talk about the spirit, then we could argue, that wherever he "lands" / whomever he inspires/possesses isn't restricted in terms of absolute positions like lattitude and longitude..
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Always funny seeing people who hate God argue over the texts inspired by him...........................
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all publicity is good publicity

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Iowa

lol
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not in Kansas ?
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www.joyofsatan.org
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
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yes, just like i said. i want to know where he landed here not where he came from and where he is right now
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go ask him, seriously, do you wanna know? If you do, it's not hard.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
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Satan -> Saturn
Lucifer -> Venus
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Actually, no. You're wrong. www.urantia.org. Look up the Lucifer rebellion.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Well. There is the principle and there is the spirit.

If we talk about the principle i'm pretty sure it's representation of Venus and stating that it landed on this planet doesn't compute.

If we talk about the spirit, then we could argue, that wherever he "lands" / whomever he inspires/possesses isn't restricted in terms of absolute positions like lattitude and longitude..
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he was Lord of Venus a very long time ago...

yes he came here physically twice...once as the fallen angel and in one episode as a product of necromancy i.e as a zombie lol
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that's Satan...this is aliens, man. Evil aliens, but aliens.
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Dumbass, Satan and Lucifer 2 different beings but both came from a planet not known to this place called Lanonodek.
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yes, just like i said. i want to know where he landed here not where he came from and where he is right now
 Quoting: Montclair de Rallo-Tubbs 46116821



go ask him, seriously, do you wanna know? If you do, it's not hard.
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well then tell me what you think. I think it was Baalbek but there might be more enlightened or wiser i.e occultistically knowledgeabler people in this forum
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lol
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not in Kansas ?
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We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto!

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btw i always thought that was a line out of the Lone Ranger

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watching Ancieeeent Alienz...where did he come down to Earth...or back up from Hell

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Fool, keep looking for the devil. And he will find you.
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Pick One:
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The Urantia Book

Paper 53

The Lucifer Rebellion

(601.1) 53:0.1 LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty — rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

(601.2) 53:0.2 In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.

1. The Leaders of Rebellion

(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you.” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned “upon the holy mountain of God,” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, “did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, ‘the Judge rebuke you.’” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.

(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness.” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!”

(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The “devil” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.

(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.

(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, “Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age.” Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: “And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.”

2. The Causes of Rebellion

(602.4) 53:2.1 Lucifer and his first assistant, Satan, had reigned on Jerusem for more than five hundred thousand years when in their hearts they began to array themselves against the Universal Father and his then vicegerent Son, Michael.

(602.5) 53:2.2 There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer’s mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of “self-assertion and liberty.”

(602.6) 53:2.3 No one ever suggested rebellion to Lucifer. The idea of self-assertion in opposition to the will of Michael and to the plans of the Universal Father, as they are represented in Michael, had its origin in his own mind. His relations with the Creator Son had been intimate and always cordial. At no time prior to the exaltation of his own mind did Lucifer openly express dissatisfaction about the universe administration. Notwithstanding his silence, for more than one hundred years of standard time the Union of Days on Salvington had been reflectivating to Uversa that all was not at peace in Lucifer’s mind. This information was also communicated to the Creator Son and the Constellation Fathers of Norlatiadek.

(602.7) 53:2.4 Throughout this period Lucifer became increasingly critical of the entire plan of universe administration but always professed wholehearted loyalty to the Supreme Rulers. His first outspoken disloyalty was manifested on the occasion of a visit of Gabriel to Jerusem just a few days before the open proclamation of the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. Gabriel was so profoundly impressed with the certainty of the impending outbreak that he went direct to Edentia to confer with the Constellation Fathers regarding the measures to be employed in case of open rebellion.

(603.1) 53:2.5 It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer’s mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.



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i used to think Sri Lanka or Hawaii
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i used to think Sri Lanka or Hawaii
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I should have linked this instead:
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Why Hawaii?
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The Urantia Book

Paper 53

The Lucifer Rebellion

(601.1) 53:0.1 LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty — rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

(601.2) 53:0.2 In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.

1. The Leaders of Rebellion

(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you.” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned “upon the holy mountain of God,” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, “did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, ‘the Judge rebuke you.’” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.

(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness.” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!”

(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The “devil” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.

(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.

(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, “Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age.” Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: “And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.”

2. The Causes of Rebellion

(602.4) 53:2.1 Lucifer and his first assistant, Satan, had reigned on Jerusem for more than five hundred thousand years when in their hearts they began to array themselves against the Universal Father and his then vicegerent Son, Michael.

(602.5) 53:2.2 There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer’s mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of “self-assertion and liberty.”

(602.6) 53:2.3 No one ever suggested rebellion to Lucifer. The idea of self-assertion in opposition to the will of Michael and to the plans of the Universal Father, as they are represented in Michael, had its origin in his own mind. His relations with the Creator Son had been intimate and always cordial. At no time prior to the exaltation of his own mind did Lucifer openly express dissatisfaction about the universe administration. Notwithstanding his silence, for more than one hundred years of standard time the Union of Days on Salvington had been reflectivating to Uversa that all was not at peace in Lucifer’s mind. This information was also communicated to the Creator Son and the Constellation Fathers of Norlatiadek.

(602.7) 53:2.4 Throughout this period Lucifer became increasingly critical of the entire plan of universe administration but always professed wholehearted loyalty to the Supreme Rulers. His first outspoken disloyalty was manifested on the occasion of a visit of Gabriel to Jerusem just a few days before the open proclamation of the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. Gabriel was so profoundly impressed with the certainty of the impending outbreak that he went direct to Edentia to confer with the Constellation Fathers regarding the measures to be employed in case of open rebellion.

(603.1) 53:2.5 It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer’s mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.



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This is merely a geographical and perhaps an archaeological question, not one of partisan theology lol

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