Obama isn't the antichrist, Putin is. UPDATED

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I think that Putin is waiting for his chance to be a feudal lord ... but even he doesn't know the power of his own charisma.

It helps him that Obama has become such a stooge, that people, even liberals, are beginning to see him for the spoiled child he acts like on the world stage.

Since no one knows "the day or the hour", including satan, satan has always had a man ready in the wings for the last 2000 years or so. As soon as the church is raptured then the antichrist will be revealed. Satan has no clue when this is so he has always had antichrist's ready to go.

no human is or will be the AC.

he's Apollo the king of the abyss, waiting for his release.

there no need to play pin the tail.

(unless you like to)

Deeper in which direction?

The antichrist is supposedly a false unifier -- one who brings together the people of the world and then dupes them.

A lot of people thought Obama would be that person but he is truly divisive... he divided the people of the united states from the get-go and then he slowly but surely divested himself of the admiration of the world.

Now that even many liberal Americans are beginning to see him for what he is (a tyrant) I think its clear to say that cannot be the antichrist.

Putin, on the other hand, is emerging in the world as a voice of reason. One that so many, many people and world leaders are listening to. Many will rally behind Putin's banner because they don't want to rally behind Obama, and they don't want a nuclear war.

What the don't see is that by drawing these lines in the sand, that Putin has made so easy for them to do, they are hastening the very thing that they fear -- a nuclear war.

There will be some action against the USA at some point, Putin won't be involved, but he will swoop in and save the day, cementing his place as the savior in people's eyes.

Case in point:
Thread: Re-alignment: UK set to join Iran-Russia axis.


America and Israel are an island unto themselves.

Except that Obama is no friend of Israel, so the situation is rapidly crumbling.

Thread: Behold, The Man of Peace

You are WRONG, and we will NOT let you continue bombing every street corner of countries.... godamn you have been stupid.

That's a very interesting compilation / list and I would have been in total agreement with you a couple of years ago.

But since he's come on out & shown his true colors (before achieving the unification goal) I just can't see it.

Its almost like TPTB said "shit, he's too dumb and arrogant to make this whole antichrist thing take off, who else do we have lined up?"

Its a sad day when Putin makes more sense than our President. Now the RINO's are beating the war drums. Our country is so fucked.

What? Please explain your comments a little more... just wondering what exactly you mean?

I don't advocate bombing anyone's street corners. And I despise that my government sticks its nose in where it doesn't belong for many years now.

But pardon me for saying... isn't it NORWAY that gave him the stupid Nobel Peace Prize to begin with?

Obama is a tool for certain. But he's just not savvy enough to pull it all off.

This is what my bff believes as well. Frankly, I'm still on that fence on this particular area.

I will say, however, BO would be way too obvious.

I completely agree. And sadly, you have made my point for me.

Putin has become the voice of reason.

Cameron was beating the drum alongside Obama and somehow the parliament kept their wits about them and voted no.

I fear congress will not be allowed to vote no -- and even if they do, can't Obama launch a 'kinetic engagement' any time he wants anyways?

Yes, he would be. Which makes it so much sneakier for the AC to be someone like Putin instead.

Like pieces on a RISK gameboard or a Chess board.

Move this country over here and create an alliance (Russia / China / oil / yuan)

Move that country over there (USA / Egypt / Mulsim Brotherhood / Coup)

Sacrifice some pawns (Syrian Government / Syrian Rebels / dubious evidence of chemical attacks / perpetrators)

Move in to conquer (USA / Syria / Rebels / Muslim Brotherhood)

Divide the rest of the world against us (all we have really, is Israel now, and Obama is not their friend, clearly)

Launch an attack (from Israel? Make it look like its from Israel? Didn't that just happen this morning?)

Receive a (pre-emptive) retaliation (in Israel? Here on USA soil?)

Launch an offensive (USA or Israel vs. Syria )

Full-scale retaliation (Russia supplies all the weapons the middle east has never seen before)

Shit gets out of hand fast.

....
Just ask the king of Tunis
Or the king of Egypt
Or the king of Lybia

Daniel
{7:7} After this I saw in the night
visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and
strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured
and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of
it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before
it; and it had ten horns. {7:8} I considered the horns, and,
behold, there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up
by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the
eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

We where thinking he was ending it. He was telling he entire world so! We where willing to sum things up. Hamas&Hezbollah have been legitimate peoples resistances and are politically aware for their own good... as we see now it was never about Islam... simply protection. Palestinians are very good people.... infact the best from over there. What i mean about street corners is what you where doing in Libia in the beginning. You stopped that, started listening to the people... for once.

Let's not forget to add in that the Syrian Electronic Army has been making trouble lately....


.... and we all know there's a cyber-attack drill for the electric grid coming up in a couple of months.

Hmmmm. Interesting timing as usual.

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He's a liar, pure and simple!

Obama is the Dark One making ways easier for the antichrist.

It is written so according to the prediction.

This antichrist is half half Palestine and half Egyptian.

If you are forcing the middle east into the hands of evil people it says plenty about you!

right.. obamas just the guy thats set the stage for the arrival of the next crazed out hitler type..but it will probably be the next US president

I think you're confused on what this thread is about.

Do you think so? Who (in your opinion) is the most likely?

No im not...

Yes, you are.

i am rubber you are glue! lul

The Antichrist is not a group or a nation or a system.

He is a man, the man of sin who is to precede the Second Coming of Christ:

"Children, these are the last days; you were told that an Antichrist must come, and now several antichrists have already appeared; we know from this that these are the last days. Those rivals of Christ came out of our own number, but they had never really belonged; if they had belonged, they would have stayed with us; but they left us, to prove that not one of them ever belonged to us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and have all received the knowledge. It is not because you do not know the truth that I am writing to you but rather because you know it already and know that no lie can come from the truth. The man who denies that Jesus is the Christ - he is the liar, he is Antichrist; and he is denying the Father as well as the Son, because no one who has the Father can deny the Son, and to acknowledge the Son is to have the Father as well." (1 John 2:18-23)



"To turn now, brothers, to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we shall all be gathered round him: please do not get excited too soon or alarmed by any prediction or rumour or any letter claiming to come from us, implying that the Day of the Lord has already arrived. Never let anyone deceive you in this way.

It cannot happen until the Great Revolt has taken place and the Rebel, the Lost One, has appeared. This is the Enemy, the one who claims to be so much greater than all that men call 'god', so much greater than anything that is worshiped, that he enthrones himself in God's sanctuary and claims that he is God. Surely you remember me telling you about this when I was with you? And you know, too, what is still holding him back from appearing before his appointed time. Rebellion is at its work already, but in secret, and the one who is holding it back has first to be removed before the Rebel appears openly. The Lord will kill him with the breath of his mouth and will annihilate him with his glorious appearance at his coming.

But when the Rebel comes, Satan will set to work: there will be all kinds of miracles and a deceptive show of signs and portents, and everything evil that can deceive those who are bound for destruction because they would not grasp the love of the truth which could have saved them. The reason why God is sending a power to delude them and make them believe what is untrue is to condemn all who refused to believe in the truth and chose wickedness instead." (2 Thess. 2:1-12)

The conspiracy and fall of Antichrist were also foretold in Chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel.


Antichrist's birth, progress and the fall of his empire are foretold in Daniel 7: 8-26.


The Antichrist will be easily be identified by his actions and his background.

The archetype for the final, end time Antichrist is an atheistic male tyrant whose fame is founded on deception and the usurpation of power, who despises Israel (God's Church on earth, not the modern Zionist state calling itself Israel) and who leads the modern Roman Empire ("the West"). He will be Jewish and will be descended from the Tribe of Dan. His origins will be from the lands east of the Jordan: from Aroer on the edge of the Wadi Arnon to Mount Sion and all the Arabah east of the Jordan, as far as the Arabah Sea under the slopes of Pisgah.

Ask yourself: is there currently alive any world leader who fits the above description? If you can think of one, then you have found a good candidate to match the archetype.

There is every reason believe that we are in the End Times. In a 1976 speech to the American Bishops (reprinted in the November 9, 1978 issue of The Wall Street Journal) Cardinal Karol Wojtyla (future Pope John Paul II) said this (and, no, the Vicar of Christ cannot be the False Prophet or the Antichrist, by definition):

"We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel and the anti-Gospel. This confrontation lies within the plans of divine providence. It is a trial which the whole Church...must take up."

St Cyril of Jerusalem 315 - 386 AD:

"And after these shall arise antichrist and having by the signs and lying wonders of his magical deceit, beguiled the Jews as though he were the expected Christ, he shall afterwards characterize himself by all kinds of excesses of cruelty and lawlessnessand he shall perpetrate such things for 3 years and 6 months

"Antichrist will exceed in malice, perversity, lust, wickedness, impiety, and ruthlessness and barbarity all men that have ever disgraced human nature. Hence St. Paul emphatically calls him `the man of sin the son of perdition, the wicked one, whose birth and coming is through the operation of Satan, in all manner of seduction and iniquity.' (2 Thess., 2). Through his great power, deceit and malice he shall succeed in decoying or forcing to his worship two thirds of mankind; the remaining third part of men will continue true to the faith and worship of Jesus Christ most steadfastly. But in his satanic rage and fury, Antichrist will persecute these brave and devout Christians during three years and a half, and torture them with such an extremity of barbarity, with all the old and newly invented instruments of pain, as to exceed all past persecutors of the Church combined. He will oblige all his followers to bear impressed upon their foreheads or right hands the mark of the Beast and will starve to death all those who refuse to receive it."

This one shall seize the power of the Roman Empire and shall falsely style himself Christ. By the name Christ he shall deceive the Jews who are expecting the anointed and he shall seduce the Gentiles by his magical illusions."

St. John Chrysostom 347 - 407:

"Antichrist will be possessed by Satan and be the illegitimate son of a Jewish woman from the East. This world will be faithless and degenerate after the birth of Anti-Christ"

St. John Damascene 676 - 787:

"And when he was taken up, He [Jesus] ascended to the East and thus the apostles worshipped Him and thus He shall come in the same way as they had seen Him going into heaven, as the Lord himself said As lightening cometh out of the east and appeareth even into the west: so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. And so while we are awaiting Him we worship toward the East. This is moreover the unwritten tradition of the apostles, for they have handed many things down to us unwritten



"One should know that the antichrist must come . Antichrist to be sure is everyone who does not confess that the Son of God came in the flesh is perfect God and became perfect man while at the same time He was God. In a peculiar and special sense however he who is to come at the consummation of the world is Antichrist. So it is first necessary for the Gospel to have been preached to all the gentiles as the Lord said, and then he shall come unto conviction of the impious Jews. For the Lord said to them: I am come in the name of the father and you receive me not: If another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. And the apostle: because they receive not the love of the truth that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: that all may be judged who have not believed the truth but have consented to iniquity. Hence the Jews did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ and God, although He was the Son of God, but the deceiver who says he is God they will receive. For that he will call himself God, the angel who taught Daniel thus declares: he will make no account of the gods of his Fathers. And the Apostle: Let no man deceive you by any means; for unless there comes a revolt first and the son of perdition, who opposeth and is lifted up above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God He says ---not however in ours but in the former one that of the Jews, for he will not come to us but to the Jews (initially)not for the sake of Christ and Christs for which reason alone, he is also called Antichrist



The gospel, then, must first be preached in all nations and then that wicked one shall be revealed: whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power and signs and lying wonders, in all seduction of inquity to them that perish: who the Lord shall kill with the words of His mouth and the coming of His brightness Thus the devil does not himself become man after the incarnation of the Lord God forbid! --! But a man is born of fornication and receives into himself the whole operation of Satan, for God permits the devil to inhabit him for He (God) foresees the future perversity of his will.



So he is born of fornication as we said and is brought up unnoticed: but all of a sudden he rises up, revolts and rules. During the first part of his reign of his tyranny rather he plays more the part of sanctity; but when he gains complete control, he persecutes the Church of God and reveals all his wickedness. And he shall come in signs and lying wonders sham ones and not real and he shall seduce those whose intention rests on a rotten and unstable foundation and make them abandon the living God., in as much as to scandalize (if possible) even the elect.


"And Enock and Elias the Thesbite will be sent and they shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children that is to say, turn the synagogue to our Lord Jesus Christ and the preaching of the apostles. And they will be destroyed by him. Then the Lord will come from heaven in the same way that the holy apostles saw Him going into Heaven, perfect God and perfect man, with glory and power; and he shall destroy the man of iniquity, the son of perdition, with the spirit of His mouth. So let no one expect the Lord to come from the earth but from Heaven, as He Himself has positively assured us.



"And so with our souls again united to our bodies, which will have become incorrupt and put off incorruption, we shall rise again and stand before the terrible judgment seat of Christ. And the devil and his demons, and his man which is to say the Antichrist and the impious sinners will be given over to everlasting fire, which will not be a material fire such as we are accustomed to but a fire such as God might know."

If retaliations occur on American soil it will be simplicity for them to instate martial law.

If the statements regarding russian troops within the usa and just across the border are also true, then it is further proof of the collusion of many governments to bring about this war and not much any single man can do to stop it.

Let no good crisis go to waste.