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More Biblical Proof we are living the days spoken by the Prophet Daniel!

 
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absolute proof jesus could not be messiah.

the cursing of the fig tree.

he failed exactly like moses failed, when he smote the rock.

because moses did that, god did not allow him to enter Israel.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP

I understand about the rock and pride and such but how did that apply to the fig tree that was made dry instead of green, at that time? Was it not symbolic of the title of 'my people' was passed from the 12 Tribes (the people that gave birth to the seed of Eve that was to be bruised in the heel and be taken off his feet) to the Gentiles who will see 2/3 of their number enter the grave on the same day the ones they called kings are overthrown at the end of the iron/clay kingdom. Acts:10 saw Gentiles come to Peter just after Peter was told that Gentile food was clean and he could eat any/all without it being a sin. God made it a point of making a prophecy and having Jesus be the fulfillment to make a commonality between prophecy and reality.
The prophecy was the arrest and death on the cross and the return for dictating the NT from Acts:10 on was for Gentiles in that all to the 4 corners of the earth were to hear about God. The NT was fully written by 100AD and Jews in the Nations were the first to hear about the 'updates'. The Temple in Re:5 took over from the one taken down in Jerusalem and prayers end up as vapors on the alter. The same sort of prayer than both Daniel and Jonah used. Teaching Gentiles brought all of them under the two laws and that entire population comes to be under a common judgment where 2/3 will die and 1/3 will live to become the ones that remain alive in the Nations after Jesus has 'sorted them' according to a set of standards given by God. Those standards are spelled out in the letters to the 7 Churches and on the day the 7th trump sounds that causes the 7 vials to be poured out and judgment over the world takes place.

jesus failed! he cursed a tree its against the law

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

M't:26:55:
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes,
Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?
I sat daily with you teaching in the temple,
and ye laid no hold on me.
M't:26:56:
But all this was done,
that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him,
and fled.



Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.


Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Re:19:14:
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen,
white and clean.
Re:19:15:
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
that with it he should smite the nations:
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

M't:13:41:
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;

The survivors of the vials are the remnant mentioned in the rest of that same passage.

if moses did not smite the rock, he would have turned king with temple and bring a premature salvation, the world was not ready then.

if jesus was pertaining to be mashaich the fact he failed like moses, shows he was not mashiach.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP

If it wasn't the rock event God would have still had to find some reason to kill Moses before his 120th birthday. In Ge:6 God determined that a persons life would last 120 years and then the breath of life would leave. In Adam's time and until the last of the giants were killed 'one day' was 1,000 years long. Adam died at 930 years which would be 93 years out of a possible 100.

When the 10 Commandments became Law that 120 year rule came into effect and it will be the standard for the period of time that the New earth is in. Moses was the first and his death would have been very close to his 120th birthday.

Heb:9:27:
And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:

When Moses is resurrected he has a very short time before the judgment of being a sinner takes place and if judged in the OT while alive he would have been sent to the fiery lake instead of the common grave that Job:14 references as being active until Job is no longer there.

Isa:65:17:
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.
Isa:65:18:
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create:
for,
behold,
I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
Isa:65:19:
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
and joy in my people:
and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her,
nor the voice of crying.

The first people that gain immortality are the ones that are alive for the 1,000 years and by the time New Jerusalem lands on the New Earth all humans ever born are inside. When the gates open living water comes out and the same healing that took place in Israel at the start of the 1,000 years (Ezekiel 47) takes place on the new earth and once that phase is complete it stands that the ones outside the city walls are the ones that only came alive at the start of the Great White Throne event. The ones that took part in Zec:14 stay inside New Jerusalem and they act as Priests and Kings to the ones living outside the city walls. Isaiah 65 is addressed to the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20, in particular the ones killed by Christ's sword (the 7 vial in total) and their punishment is what the 2/3 will be doing for the 1,000 year reign and they remain under lock and key when the fallen angels are set free for their execution to the fiery lake. While the 1,000 years started out as total ruin the end sees it returned back to a garden as far as the borders in Ge:2 go. The rest of the planet gets rain where needed so when Satan is released it just happens to be at the time everyone is gathered for the yearly feast of the Tabernacle. The escape for the perfected people it to be taken to the place where the great White Throne is located and then return to a world that looks like this earth in Ge:2.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Once Re:22 is fulfilled and 'the rest' are living in their houses they are given in marriage so they have children. When a child is born in that era it is called an'infant' for the first 20 years, at the age of 20 the title 'infant' is replaced by the term 'child' and that stage will last a full 100 years. We call it 'adult' and that stage people marry and over the 100 years have 100 children. At the age of 120 years God judges them to be a sinner or not, when found to be not a sinner the title 'child' is dropped and the one called 'old-man' is taken and that title lasts for eternity. The title comes with certain gifts and the price paid is you no longer can have your own children, you enter a stage where the new children are your 'grand-kids' and the ones that are inside the city are still not given in marriage but 'their children' would be the ever increasing number called 'children of God'

Isa:65:20:
There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isa:65:21:
And they shall build houses,
and inhabit them;
and they shall plant vineyards,
and eat the fruit of them.

and jesus failed in a lot of other places.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant

Here is an example of how god made Him a 'winner' from the start'. God 'caused' the event to happen just so the term 'land of the enemy' could be defined and to show that it has a beginning and an ending. The actual children killed have to again be standing where they died along with their mothers of God is not involved, that is not the last sign, that is the first sign. That and the example of who the 'little ones' are (called 'children' by Paul and the Beloved Disciple)

M't:2:16:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
M't:2:17:
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
M't:2:18:
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
can you fucking read? don't trust the the writers of the NT they are liars! read jer. just a verse after it! it doesn't say shes crying because the children are dead! it is said shes crying because the children went to a different land! and god says he will bring them back! that's a fail dude. a huge fail
Jer:31:15:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Jer:31:16:
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
Jer:31:17:
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.
 Quoting: MHz


really? you cant see the fail here? it is not a prophecy in the first place.
second, herod never slaughtered children, we would know.
third the kids in Rachel's case didn't die. they were alive! she cried because they were in a land of the enemy.

FAIL
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its the angel explaining Daniel what he saw just prior.
these verses talking about the ram that is Persia and madai.
the Capricorn is the ptolemites and the big horn is alex that had been broken and succeded by 4 kings than after them came another king from them (not a new beast) he was Antiochus, and the macabbean revolt, he stopped the temple work, this is why we celebrate hannukah.
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Technically Scripture calls it Grecia so while Alex may have been the leaderv at the time Jerusalem came under his control he died within a few weeks so any General should be part of Grecia rather than being a 'new horn' as you suggest. 4 new horns should be 4 new leaders just like in the silver, something that holds a name. Rome took over in 50BC (easy math) so they would have to be at least the 5th ruler over Jerusalem that fulfilled all the requirements, like the one in Da:2 that says they will become a great kingdom in the world after they control Jerusalem. Given the direction from Jerusalem you can't help but hit Rome square on, let alone that in 500 years she fulfilled all the required verses, like being named the 6th king that counts Neb as the first and the silver as a few more and Alex as another one.
All that by accident??

rome is not included in this vision and explanations.
it is not talking about the 4th beast, it doesn't mention it.
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Rome would be in the 3rd beast, part of the brass, the iron/clay kingdom has not started yet.

Da:7:6:
After this I beheld,
and lo another,
like a leopard,
which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;
the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.

Dominion is something like Alex had, after Alex Rome was the biggest 'dominion' that ever controlled Jerusalem. What you are promoting is considered a 'speed-bump' in Scripture.

Da:9:25:
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again,
and the wall,
even in troublous times.

and then he says after that would pass day evening and 2300 years until the end, and it is sealed.
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To fall within the 2nd half of the 70th week the 2300 would have to start about the time God called John to begin preaching and making disciples. 7 years would be 2520 and that would be Peter's vision in Acts:10 so the death of Stephen could be on a day that the numbers fit. As it is only the 3 1/2 years leading to the cross has actual references.

Da:8:13:
Then I heard one saint speaking,
and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice,
and the transgression of desolation,

to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Da:8:14:
And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days;
then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Ac:8:1:
And Saul was consenting unto his death.
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem;
and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria,
except the apostles.
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learn history man. when alex died his empire was divided between FOUR kings FOUR HORNS.

in Daniels dream of the four beasts from the sea, rome is fourth! the one made of iron, and 10 horns, alex and the ptolemites were the leapord.

if you don't know, we are under the rule of the iron beast.
rome center of power is now the VATICAN.

all kings bow to the pope, the central bank of the world is the Vatican, all secret societies are factions of the Vatican.

john filled your head with stupid bullshit

lion is Babylon, bear Persia and media, leapord alex the greek, rome is the iron beast.

you are twisting scripture.
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it is said that it is said in the OT that the messiah would be a nazarite...

the NT writers are stupid plain and simple!

it is said in judges about Samson! that he will be a NAZIR
a nazir is someone who vows, not to shave, drink wine... be holy man to god.

in today's Hebrew the word nazir, somewhat equates to a monk.

there was no city of naTZereth, back then. I doubt natzereth existed in the times of jesus.

the nt is full of holes and contradictions.
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iron merging with clay.

have you not read how the royalty and rulers of Islamic countries take European white Christians for wives?

thus fulfilling clay merging with iron
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44 OT prophecies Jesus fulfilled.

[link to christianity.about.com]

Beyond that, Daniel 9 predicts the YEAR messiah would be 'cut off'.

Purely from a probability calculation, denying Jesus is the messiah is 'bad math'.

From a philosophical point of view, denying that Jesus is the messiah is illogical, and relies on sophistry.

Reject the Bible, that's your choice.. but accepting the OT and denying that Jesus fulfills the messiah's attributes is nonsense.

To prove that he is not, ... well, you can't.

The NT is verified from multiple disparate anachronistic sources.
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heres the thing, a lot of these prophecies he fulfilled? are not messianic prophecies at all, almost all of them were fulfilled by david!
theres a book all about that the key of david by warder cresson [link to www.jewish-history.com]

Christians read passages of things that are not messianic prophecies and make themselves believe its a prophecy.

daniels time line is a good point you make, cuase as jew I would say it strongest like proof Christians have... buts is a fail, a total fail. since the ministers have done such a great mess with it, with all the distortion it would take me along time to explain it, and I simply wont be bothered with such a thing.

so watch this


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My friend, I already thoroughly debunked this man.

You can keep linking it to me ... but I've seen it, rebutted (destroyed) his argument.

He is a SOPHIST. His argumentation relies on 'word' arguments, and not logic/reason.

The ONLY thing I agree with him about is that the trinity is pagan.

CLEARLY Daniel predicted the year of death of messiah.

So either you acknowledge that it was Jesus of Nazareth, or you need to show what OTHER messiah was 'cut-off' within ~60 years of Christs death.

[alternatively, simply reject the Bible]

So what do YOU say?

Was there another messiah which was cut-off within ~60 years of Jesus death?

This gentlemen is a noob, or a liar! No other option.

(IMO, he is both)
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no you didn't, this gentlemen speaks the truth and explains it beautifully!

to get to anywhere near jesus times, Christians use artaxeres decree! not the case man! 7 weeks pass and mashiach nagid/leader who is cyrus gives the decree!

then after the 7 count 62 weeks!

and you get to the destruction of the second temple!
where either the kodesh kodashim holy of holies or the priests which were both anointed and mashiachs were cut off!

the man uses words to prove you are wrong, so you call him a sophist and un reasonable??
why the hate? you cant stand the fact he proves that kjv had deliberately miss translated the verse?

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44 OT prophecies Jesus fulfilled.

[link to christianity.about.com]

Beyond that, Daniel 9 predicts the YEAR messiah would be 'cut off'.

Purely from a probability calculation, denying Jesus is the messiah is 'bad math'.

From a philosophical point of view, denying that Jesus is the messiah is illogical, and relies on sophistry.

Reject the Bible, that's your choice.. but accepting the OT and denying that Jesus fulfills the messiah's attributes is nonsense.

To prove that he is not, ... well, you can't.

The NT is verified from multiple disparate anachronistic sources.
 Quoting: SingleCellOrganism


heres the thing, a lot of these prophecies he fulfilled? are not messianic prophecies at all, almost all of them were fulfilled by david!
theres a book all about that the key of david by warder cresson [link to www.jewish-history.com]

Christians read passages of things that are not messianic prophecies and make themselves believe its a prophecy.

daniels time line is a good point you make, cuase as jew I would say it strongest like proof Christians have... buts is a fail, a total fail. since the ministers have done such a great mess with it, with all the distortion it would take me along time to explain it, and I simply wont be bothered with such a thing.

so watch this


 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP


My friend, I already thoroughly debunked this man.

You can keep linking it to me ... but I've seen it, rebutted (destroyed) his argument.

He is a SOPHIST. His argumentation relies on 'word' arguments, and not logic/reason.

The ONLY thing I agree with him about is that the trinity is pagan.

CLEARLY Daniel predicted the year of death of messiah.

So either you acknowledge that it was Jesus of Nazareth, or you need to show what OTHER messiah was 'cut-off' within ~60 years of Christs death.

[alternatively, simply reject the Bible]

So what do YOU say?

Was there another messiah which was cut-off within ~60 years of Jesus death?

This gentlemen is a noob, or a liar! No other option.

(IMO, he is both)
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no you didn't, this gentlemen speaks the truth and explains it beautifully!

to get to anywhere near jesus times, Christians use artaxeres decree! not the case man! 7 weeks pass and mashiach nagid/leader who is cyrus gives the decree!

then after the 7 count 62 weeks!

and you get to the destruction of the second temple!
where either the kodesh kodashim holy of holies or the priests which were both anointed and mashiachs were cut off!

the man uses words to prove you are wrong, so you call him a sophist and un reasonable??
why the hate? you cant stand the fact he proves that kjv had deliberately miss translated the verse?
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP


KJV is far and away the worst bible translation. (IMO) Besides anyone seriously studying these matters uses a digital interlinear.

I feel no hate, I just find him to be the type who sees the tree instead of the forest. An Aristotelian .... I reject that worldview as limited in scope and incapable of discerning reality.

Rather than rely on the overarching narrative of the scriptures, he pigeon holes reason/logic into the nonsensical, going so far as to deny the obvious in lieu of supporting his worldview.

I care about truth; not supporting a worldview.

Truth leads to one conclusion: Jesus is the Messiah.

You reject that; so be it.

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paul was such a liar..

he said the it is written that the redeemer will come from zion.

go read isiah 59:20 - and he will come TO zion, as a redeemer, to those in Jacob, who turn from transgression!

as you see it clrealy says he will come to those who turned from transgression on their OWN! not that he will take away their sins, they have to do it themselves.

as you can clrealy see, paul is counting on the stupidity of his readers.
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deut 30. makes it perfectly clear that god conditions the salvation of Israel on weather they return to him and his law, on their own!

return to me, and I shall return to you.

verse 2 -4. and you returned to yaweh your god, and you listened to him as all I commanded thee today you and your sons with all your heart and soul, and yaweh your god broke your exile, and brought you back from all the nations which he put you there.

what is it that he commanded us on that day?? the law of moses.

do you notice the theme, of salvation here? of redemption? that's because its a messianic prophecy.



the kids were slaughtered by herod because Rachel cried for slaughtered children?

doesn't the next verse says the kids were not slaughtered but were in the land of the enemy as captives, and this made her cry. and god comforts her for he says he will return their captivity...

no where in the bible does the OT says, when mashiach is a baby, other children will be slaughtered...
the nt writers tempered with the verse(they didn't die they were captives) and claimed it something that must happen in mashiachs life... nonsense.

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in heb (not a Hebrew book, just another forgery of the nt writers)

it is written that the Christ said "sacrifices and offerings you have not desired but a body you have prepared for me"

another tempering!

and then it continues to say that through that offering, the body of Christ we have been sanctified.

they quote from psalms 40. which says - "sacrifice and offerings you donnot desire, BUT MY EARS you have opened, burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

which proves to show how the writed of the NT tempered with the OT to support their idiotic claims.
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when ever the words salvation, saved, to save, appear in the Hebrew bible.
never do appear as salvation from sin, they always appear in the form of being saved from, exile, physical danger, political danger, distress... never from sin!
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its funny.

Christians made up these prophecies which they claim point to jesus.

but whenever faced with actual messianic prophecies that describe a Davidic king saving the jews from exile, physical danger, defeating israels enemies. establishing the kingdom god, bringing an era of peace etc etc.

they say, well jesus didn't do that, but he will do it when he comes back...
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iron merging with clay.

have you not read how the royalty and rulers of Islamic countries take European white Christians for wives?

thus fulfilling clay merging with iron
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The Bible says iron cannot mix with clay, the giants in the era before the flood were a mixture of iron and clay, in the iron/clay that is the 4th metal kingdom Satan is the iron as is the Beast that is released for a period of 42 months.

All Gentiles that have heard of God fit into one of the 7 Churches, which Church is determined by the relationship they have with God. (Revelation was written by a Disciple of John the Baptist rather than the Apostle John, that little point makes a big difference in what the words mean. Fot instance OT believers cannot reject the words in the Gospel of John or revelation without tossing out the 12 books listed after Daniel. In order of when they came to be they should be before Daniel yet what they cover in prophecy is when the Gentiles come under judgment from God. Try as you might this verse covers all Gentiles, gathered or not they are in one of the Churches. The Jews in Matthew 23 should be 'missing' but their sins are forgiven because they have seen the grave. Re:20:4 has a list, the Church is mentioned but there is also the 'beheaded for the word of God' group and that covers a lot of events in the OT. If you did because God said something then when judgment comes those same people are given a reward for being 'mistreated by God'. The reward is to become part of the first group that is gathered rather than being in the 2nd group which is where they would normally be.

The ones in Matthew 23 died in 70AD because they would not have paid attention to the words in Luke:20:24, they will be resurrected on the same day the two witnesses are resurrected from the grave. The 144,000 are sealed for protection (by being protected) during the last few years of war, if they were not sealed then there would be no 'remnant' that are 'left few in number' as in De:4:30. Noah and 7 others were the seed for today's population, the 144,000 are the seeds that allow Ezekiel 37 to manifest into reality where the gathered get a glorified body and a sinless heart meaning they never enter the physical grave. Pretty much like Jesus was during the 40 days after His resurrection.

"jesus failed! he cursed a tree its against the law"

Then God was right to take away His breath of life.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

If nothing else it confirms that He went to the same place Job did and he is quite specific when he says all sins in this life are sealed up when you enter the same death that Adam did. God was pleased to see that because it meant 1/2 of Ge:3:15 was completed. The other bruise will be as literal as a death on the cross was, as well as a lot of other deaths that the OT covers. Death is a prison and the ones who go there do get let out.

"can you fucking read? don't trust the the writers of the NT they are liars! read jer. just a verse after it! it doesn't say shes crying because the children are dead! it is said shes crying because the children went to a different land! and god says he will bring them back! that's a fail dude. a huge fail"
Multi-tasker in that I can read and understand, that is different than read and memorize.
All liars, we might as well get drunk then.

1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.


Do you understand what being a servant means in Isaiah 65?

Define the 'whole House of Israel' that will do the clean-up in Eze:39, it is the same group that is in Eze:37 and that same group is defined in all of Jeremiah:31 and in that verse it says children sent to the grave will be brought back because they are mourned for. The last enemy to be defeated is death, if you are in the grave you are in the land of the enemy when you should belong to 'the land of the living'. The theme is repeated in several places in Scripture, OT and NT.

The OT was a book kept in oral tradition for 100's of years, for the sake of argument lets assume Jews are not super-humans and some errors crept in that ended up in them getting exiled from the Holy Land. Let's also assume that while in exile the book that Moses taught was reproduced in letter perfect form by Daniel and his 3 friends during that exile. Let's also assume the OT available today is letter perfect to that first written document. The Gospel od John was in Greek originally and it was wriotten by the one called the 'beloved disciple' who was a disciple of John the Baptist rather than being an Apostle of Jesus.
Are you with me so far??
Lets assume that at least those books are authentic as anything from the OT.

I could make a strong argument that show the OT is more about the bruise to the heel and any OT prophecy not fulfilled is because the beginning of events that lead to a similar conclusion with the other bruise was just set in motion. That includes the death of those children, the completion sees them (and a lot more) come out of the literal grave.

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Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt:
and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.


Looting of Libyan treasure highlights illicit antiquities trade

London (CNN) -- The looting of a large collection of priceless coins, statues and jewelry from a bank vault during Libya's recent civil war has highlighted the risk of looting during times of conflict.
Interpol is hunting for the hoard of Roman and Hellenistic objects -- dubbed the "Benghazi Treasure" --stolen from the city's Commercial Bank in May 2011.

[link to www.cnn.com]


The Two Faces of Al Jazeera · Behind Benghazi: Muslim Brotherhood and Obama .... In ancient Egypt, tombs of commoners and kings were often looted just hours ... and mummies were torn open in search of gold, silver, and precious stones.
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Daniel 11:44-
44 But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. 45 And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.

Obama Troubled by Syrian Report, But Still Cautious...

Real Clear Politics 2013-08-23: President Obama said available information about an alleged mass chemical attack in Syria -- which may have killed more than 1,000 people -- moves beyond civil war and into “core” U.S. national interests in the use or transport of weapons of mass destruction. During a CNN interview broadcast Friday, the president said the deaths, including of children, reported in graphic detail this week are of “grave concern” and “very troublesome.”

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I hope that means OBAMA

ogrrr
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Christians claim that blood is the only atonement for sin.

as support they show lev 17:11

well read it! it says the life is in the blood, and that god gave us the blood to atone to sin.

nothing about blood being the ONLY atonement for sin, if you read the entire passage you can cleary see its talking about dietary laws and a prohibition for consuming blood, for the life is in the blood.

if they want to show that blood is the only atonement for sin, they should find it in lev chapters 1 - 6 which covers the rules of sacrifices.

and guess what, these chapters say nothing about blood being the only atonement for sin.

if you read chapter 17 you can see its not dealing with how to bring sacrifice, but how NOT to bring sacrifice.

if you read chapter 4, you will see that sin offering can only be brought to atone for "un intentional sins" not all sins.
so even if jesus is an atonement, he cant atone for all your sins.

read lev 5:11 it says that if one is too poor to bring an animal to sacrice, he can bring on tenth of an epha of flour...

this just proves blood is not the only atonement for sin... flour can do the trick.

im sorry jesus has been debunked.
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iron merging with clay.

have you not read how the royalty and rulers of Islamic countries take European white Christians for wives?

thus fulfilling clay merging with iron
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The Bible says iron cannot mix with clay, the giants in the era before the flood were a mixture of iron and clay, in the iron/clay that is the 4th metal kingdom Satan is the iron as is the Beast that is released for a period of 42 months.

All Gentiles that have heard of God fit into one of the 7 Churches, which Church is determined by the relationship they have with God. (Revelation was written by a Disciple of John the Baptist rather than the Apostle John, that little point makes a big difference in what the words mean. Fot instance OT believers cannot reject the words in the Gospel of John or revelation without tossing out the 12 books listed after Daniel. In order of when they came to be they should be before Daniel yet what they cover in prophecy is when the Gentiles come under judgment from God. Try as you might this verse covers all Gentiles, gathered or not they are in one of the Churches. The Jews in Matthew 23 should be 'missing' but their sins are forgiven because they have seen the grave. Re:20:4 has a list, the Church is mentioned but there is also the 'beheaded for the word of God' group and that covers a lot of events in the OT. If you did because God said something then when judgment comes those same people are given a reward for being 'mistreated by God'. The reward is to become part of the first group that is gathered rather than being in the 2nd group which is where they would normally be.

The ones in Matthew 23 died in 70AD because they would not have paid attention to the words in Luke:20:24, they will be resurrected on the same day the two witnesses are resurrected from the grave. The 144,000 are sealed for protection (by being protected) during the last few years of war, if they were not sealed then there would be no 'remnant' that are 'left few in number' as in De:4:30. Noah and 7 others were the seed for today's population, the 144,000 are the seeds that allow Ezekiel 37 to manifest into reality where the gathered get a glorified body and a sinless heart meaning they never enter the physical grave. Pretty much like Jesus was during the 40 days after His resurrection.
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ofcourse they cant...

that's why they are about to fail! EPIC FAIL

I want moshiach now!!
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the new testament is messing with your mind.

rev doesn't mean anything in reality.

its just trying to look cool as the visions of Daniel.
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Daniel warned of jesus.

Christian in Hebrew kra satan - call on satan.

Daniel warned of worshippers of 'wood and stone' cross and qaba, he even predicted the wood will come prior to stone!
I don't remember the exact verse, you ought to know it.

jesus is not the mashiach.
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I think you mean Deuteronomy 4, 28

"And there you will worship gods, man's handiwork, wood and stone, which neither see, hear, eat, nor smell".
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Daniel warned of jesus.

Christian in Hebrew kra satan - call on satan.

Daniel warned of worshippers of 'wood and stone' cross and qaba, he even predicted the wood will come prior to stone!
I don't remember the exact verse, you ought to know it.

jesus is not the mashiach.
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I think you mean Deuteronomy 4, 28

"And there you will worship gods, man's handiwork, wood and stone, which neither see, hear, eat, nor smell".
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shalom brother.

it repeats throught the holy tanach.
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read kings 2 when Solomon dedicated the temple.

there he talks about times when Israel will be taken captives.
and have no access to the temple. so with no option for sacrifice. they'll repent and make supplications!!!! repent and make supplications!! unto god, in the land they are held in captivity!!!

REPENT AND SUPPLICATION! no sacrifice no blood atonement no jesus!

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really? you cant see the fail here? it is not a prophecy in the first place.
second, herod never slaughtered children, we would know.
third the kids in Rachel's case didn't die. they were alive! she cried because they were in a land of the enemy.

FAIL
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Fail as soon as you show where they came back from 'vacation'. Similar to this gathering requirement or or you one that sees God as not being very specific, ... ever.

Eze:39:26:
After that they have borne their shame,
and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me,
when they dwelt safely in their land,
and none made them afraid.
Eze:39:27:
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze:39:28:
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.

Eze:39:29:
Neither will I hide my face any more from them:
for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD.
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Daniel warned of jesus.

Christian in Hebrew kra satan - call on satan.

Daniel warned of worshippers of 'wood and stone' cross and qaba, he even predicted the wood will come prior to stone!
I don't remember the exact verse, you ought to know it.

jesus is not the mashiach.
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I think you mean Deuteronomy 4, 28

"And there you will worship gods, man's handiwork, wood and stone, which neither see, hear, eat, nor smell".
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shalom brother.

it repeats throught the holy tanach.
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What may not be widely promoted is the king's daughter in Daniel 11 are the same wayward temple staff that resulted in the deaths of some OT Prophets, the reason Neb was sent to close down the Temple. The House of Prayer that will exist for the 1,000 years is the 'house' in Eze:47 that is the source of water for a literal river of the dimensions given in that chapter, before that happens woes number 1 and 2 have to be made manifest into reality.

Da:11:6:
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;
for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement:
but she shall not retain the power of the arm;
neither shall he stand,
nor his arm:
but she shall be given up,
and they that brought her,
and he that begat her,
and he that strengthened her in these times.

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really? you cant see the fail here? it is not a prophecy in the first place.
second, herod never slaughtered children, we would know.
third the kids in Rachel's case didn't die. they were alive! she cried because they were in a land of the enemy.

FAIL
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Fail as soon as you show where they came back from 'vacation'. Similar to this gathering requirement or or you one that sees God as not being very specific, ... ever.

Eze:39:26:
After that they have borne their shame,
and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me,
when they dwelt safely in their land,
and none made them afraid.
Eze:39:27:
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze:39:28:
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.

Eze:39:29:
Neither will I hide my face any more from them:
for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD.
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good! then you understand mashiach will come!

mashiach will defeat those who will come to war against us, this why the nations will know!!
he will gather the remnant of the jews and bring back the lost tribes.
and all will know god.

this is clearly have not happen.
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Daniel warned of jesus.

Christian in Hebrew kra satan - call on satan.

Daniel warned of worshippers of 'wood and stone' cross and qaba, he even predicted the wood will come prior to stone!
I don't remember the exact verse, you ought to know it.

jesus is not the mashiach.
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I think you mean Deuteronomy 4, 28

"And there you will worship gods, man's handiwork, wood and stone, which neither see, hear, eat, nor smell".
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shalom brother.

it repeats throught the holy tanach.
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What may not be widely promoted is the king's daughter in Daniel 11 are the same wayward temple staff that resulted in the deaths of some OT Prophets, the reason Neb was sent to close down the Temple. The House of Prayer that will exist for the 1,000 years is the 'house' in Eze:47 that is the source of water for a literal river of the dimensions given in that chapter.
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what???

the king daughter in Daniel 10? nothing about a king not daughter.

oh you meant eleven, k Ill check brb

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the king of the south and north.. both are kings of the kingdoms divided among the successors of alexander.

a daughter of the ptolemite kingdom came to marry a royal of the north to make peace.

they fought among each other, and the following versus are a really fast rewind of battles and events up until the end.

the kings of the north and kings of south changed many times throught the these versus, its not just 2 kings.

in verse 28 im pretty sure rome has conquered the land. it means the times of rome had started.

verse 36 is Muhammad.
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this just proves blood is not the only atonement for sin... flour can do the trick.

im sorry jesus has been debunked.

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The pens for blood sacrifice were never empty, the money'=-changers made sure of that.

Le:5:11:
But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves,
or two young pigeons,

then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering;
he shall put no oil upon it,
neither shall he put any frankincense thereon:
for it is a sin offering.

God was never all that fond of 'plan B'.

Isa:1:11:
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me?
saith the LORD:
I am full of the burnt offerings of rams,
and the fat of fed beasts;
and I delight not in the blood of bullocks,
or of lambs,
or of he goats.
Isa:1:12:
When ye come to appear before me,
who hath required this at your hand,
to tread my courts?
Isa:1:13:
Bring no more vain oblations;
incense is an abomination unto me;
the new moons and sabbaths,
the calling of assemblies,
I cannot away with;
it is iniquity,
even the solemn meeting.
Isa:1:14:
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
they are a trouble unto me;
I am weary to bear them.
Isa:1:15:
And when ye spread forth your hands,
I will hide mine eyes from you:
yea,
when ye make many prayers,
I will not hear:
your hands are full of blood.
Isa:1:16:
Wash you,
make you clean;
put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes;
cease to do evil;
Isa:1:17:
Learn to do well;
seek judgment,
relieve the oppressed,
judge the fatherless,
plead for the widow.
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this just proves blood is not the only atonement for sin... flour can do the trick.

im sorry jesus has been debunked.

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The pens for blood sacrifice were never empty, the money'=-changers made sure of that.

Le:5:11:
But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves,
or two young pigeons,

then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering;
he shall put no oil upon it,
neither shall he put any frankincense thereon:
for it is a sin offering.

God was never all that fond of 'plan B'.

Isa:1:11:
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me?
saith the LORD:
I am full of the burnt offerings of rams,
and the fat of fed beasts;
and I delight not in the blood of bullocks,
or of lambs,
or of he goats.
Isa:1:12:
When ye come to appear before me,
who hath required this at your hand,
to tread my courts?
Isa:1:13:
Bring no more vain oblations;
incense is an abomination unto me;
the new moons and sabbaths,
the calling of assemblies,
I cannot away with;
it is iniquity,
even the solemn meeting.
Isa:1:14:
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
they are a trouble unto me;
I am weary to bear them.
Isa:1:15:
And when ye spread forth your hands,
I will hide mine eyes from you:
yea,
when ye make many prayers,
I will not hear:
your hands are full of blood.
Isa:1:16:
Wash you,
make you clean;
put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes;
cease to do evil;
Isa:1:17:
Learn to do well;
seek judgment,
relieve the oppressed,
judge the fatherless,
plead for the widow.
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yes you are right!!

god wants us to repent pray keep the law and do charity.
he wants you not to sin! the offer, so offers wont be needed.

and what your doing is saying god I offer you the death of of pagan Christ (an offer made to baal and molech) who is founded upon a jewish heretic, an idea constructed into the mind through the writings of paul and onward.
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if you want to understand what the law really is, focus on the law.
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if you want to understand what the law really is, focus on the law.
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Try focusing on Grace, Forgiveness and loving GOD with all your heart soul and mind...
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If you don't stand for your faith, then you won't stand at all....
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have you not read how during the times of the prophets and kings and judges.

god always punished the Israelites and jews for going to the idolaters, passing their sons through the fires of molech.

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