More Biblical Proof we are living the days spoken by the Prophet Daniel!

you are the first to use the second coming thing.

there is not second coming doctrine the OT.

jesus said nothing about second coming.

the followers invented the second coming, and said it will be in their lifetimes... they are wating in their graves still.

come on its easy to see the NT is not inspired.

im afraid to tell you its wrong.

hook is also used to get things together, it does not denote piercing.

the sound in the bible for behold or "the" is not the sound of hey, more like O

That explains everything...of course if you dont believe in the nt you wont believe in Jesus. So only part of the Bible is the truth and word of God huh? Why do you choose to only believe part of it, that doesnt make sense. You might as well not believe at all or be a christian. There is no other way to heaven except believing in Jesus with a honest heart He died and rose again for you, thats what He said in the nt. Jesus is the human form of God ( the Son) who came to pay the ultimate price for YOUR sins so that you can be with Him forever in heaven. Thats how much He loves you! He never wants to be seperated from you. You cant get to heaven your own works or deeds as Jesus said. Dreamily if you reject Jesus...who is God you will go to hell. I am warning you out of love.

The Waw has a "w" sound (called the vav in modern Hebrew with a "v" sound) and is a picture of a peg or nail which is used to secure or add things together.

The Hey has a "h" sound and is a picture of a man with his arms raised up, shouting and pointing at a great site as if to say "behold, look at that". This letter is used to mean "the" in the sense of pointing to something of importance.

Source: [link to www.ancient-hebrew.org]

you got some screwed up logic.

the original bible is the OT it was there way before the NT!

I have no reason to consider the NT apart of my bible... that is stupidity on your behalf to think that I do.

according to your logic the the NT and OT go hand in hand! but they DONT!

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as if the writers of the NT didn't actually based it on the writings of OT...

Peace be into Daniel.

That be all.

44 OT prophecies Jesus fulfilled.

[link to christianity.about.com]

Beyond that, Daniel 9 predicts the YEAR messiah would be 'cut off'.

Purely from a probability calculation, denying Jesus is the messiah is 'bad math'.

From a philosophical point of view, denying that Jesus is the messiah is illogical, and relies on sophistry.

Reject the Bible, that's your choice.. but accepting the OT and denying that Jesus fulfills the messiah's attributes is nonsense.

To prove that he is not, ... well, you can't.

The NT is verified from multiple disparate anachronistic sources.

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The new covenant is still a promise, the ones that take part in it will include the 144,000 that are sealed for protection before any trump sounds. The two witnesses are protected for a total of 1260 days and they die 4 days before the return. Following the timeline of the day of the cross the two witnesses would be resurrected at noon, the time Jesus was put on the cross, at 3PM He died, at 3PM on that resurrection day all the sinners in the world are dead by 3PM and the 1/3 that are still alive are witnesses and are Gentiles of the righteous in the 7 Churches that have been tested by fire. The 144,000 are joined by all the ones mentioned in Eze:37 and they and the 'Church' do what Zec:14 mentions and they do it 1,000 time without fail and then Satan is released with all fallen angels and GOD sends them to the fiery lake.

Eze:37:11:
Then he said unto me,
Son of man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel:
behold,
they say,
Our bones are dried,
and our hope is lost:
we are cut off for our parts.
Eze:37:12:
Therefore prophesy and say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.

Eze:37:22-28:
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king to them all:
and they shall be no more two nations,
neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols,
nor with their detestable things,
nor with any of their transgressions:
but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces,
wherein they have sinned,
and will cleanse them:
so shall they be my people,
and I will be their God.
And David my servant shall be king over them;
and they all shall have one shepherd:
they shall also walk in my judgments,
and observe my statutes, and do them.
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant,
wherein your fathers have dwelt;
and they shall dwell therein,
even they,
and their children,
and their children's children for ever:
and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them;
it shall be an everlasting covenant with them:
and I will place them,
and multiply them,
and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
My tabernacle also shall be with them:
yea,
I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel,
when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Eze:39:23-29:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD;
Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob,
and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel,
and will be jealous for my holy name;
After that they have borne their shame,
and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me,
when they dwelt safely in their land,
and none made them afraid.
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.
Neither will I hide my face any more from them:
for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD.


The 10 Commandments became Law with the exodus, before that the law was was the one that governed the 'sons of God' from Ge:6 and their children called the 'giants'. The giants existed until the exodus wars when they were exterminated down to their livestock. The law than fallen angels were under is the same one that all men who enter the new earth will be under. Immortal beings that know about good and evil with the lake being the punishment for sin being the fiery lake. That is why no one ever sins from the day the 7th trump sounds. By 3PM all the wicked are dead, by 6PM all the names in the book in Re:10 and Da:12 have been read out and the first ones to come under the new law and the new covenant are alive and standing on the earth. Within 30. day the first feast of the tabernacles will be taking place. Eze:39 covers a 7 year clean up and a graveyard made for the bones of the 4 angelic beings that made up the 200M horsemen that kill 1/3 of mankind. That id the Gog of the revolt after the 1,000 years.

The day of return brings in the 'new law' when the 7th vial is poured out. The change from the OT Law of blood sacrifice was changed at the cross when Jesus said, 'It is finished.' (all things associated with the bruise to the heel, Re:16 is all things associated with the bruise to Satan's head.

Re:16:17:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.

Re:21:6:
And he said unto me,
It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

When God says, 'It is done'' it is the last that are given the law and they come alive at the Great White Throne event.

heres the thing, a lot of these prophecies he fulfilled? are not messianic prophecies at all, almost all of them were fulfilled by david!
theres a book all about that the key of david by warder cresson [link to www.jewish-history.com]

Christians read passages of things that are not messianic prophecies and make themselves believe its a prophecy.

daniels time line is a good point you make, cuase as jew I would say it strongest like proof Christians have... buts is a fail, a total fail. since the ministers have done such a great mess with it, with all the distortion it would take me along time to explain it, and I simply wont be bothered with such a thing.

so watch this

My friend, I already thoroughly debunked this man.

You can keep linking it to me ... but I've seen it, rebutted (destroyed) his argument.

He is a SOPHIST. His argumentation relies on 'word' arguments, and not logic/reason.

The ONLY thing I agree with him about is that the trinity is pagan.

CLEARLY Daniel predicted the year of death of messiah.

So either you acknowledge that it was Jesus of Nazareth, or you need to show what OTHER messiah was 'cut-off' within ~60 years of Christs death.

[alternatively, simply reject the Bible]

So what do YOU say?

Was there another messiah which was cut-off within ~60 years of Jesus death?

This gentlemen is a noob, or a liar! No other option.

(IMO, he is both)

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The perfect god.....
That creates imperfect humans....
And then blames them for its mistakes.

Did you read the picture book Bible from ~500 AD?

....

I mean, seriously, ponder what you are suggesting.

what does jesus have to with all that happens in Ezekiel?
jesus did not fulfill what ezekial said, the dead have not risen.

and what youre doing is saying jesus WILL fulfill these things when he comes back... dude wake up according to your 'inspired' book he was supposed to come at the time of the apostles.
and now you are even providing a revelation about whats going on.

revelation is not happening, and wont happen.

what actually is going on the world is daniels vision.

which in said no the things are sealed until the END! sealed for anyone!

doesn't seem to me the were sealed to john... who didn't live in the end time.

Did you know the 2300 days/evenings of Revelations / Daniel perfectly coincide with 4 remaining Jewish Festival dates?

What are the chances of that using probability math?

1:100000000000 ?

So either you believe in extreme odds, or Revelations and Daniel are describing the same events ...

I'm also curious about what you have to say about the post above your last post.

You have two options:

find ANOTHER messiah within ~60 years of 32 AD

OR

reject the OT

So which is it?

Do you know of another messiah cut-off?

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you are not perfect, you cant determine that a perfect creator is forbidden from creating imperfect creations.

his thoughts are not for us, nor do we know hes ways.

but it seems Christians are sure they know gods ways.
the only reason for their heresy is because they always resort to assume, that if they were god, they would create the jesus, in order to support their jesus concept in the first place.

Once as a Priest as in the heritage of Mary, a daughter of Aaron and that was to fulfill the bruise to the heel of Eve's seed.
Once as a king with authority to kill sinners and resurrect people like Job (chapter 14)
As a King there are 24 thrones that belong to the 24 elders of Re:5. They would be the OT Saints that came out of the grave on the same morning Jesus did and they would have ascended like Jesus but they remained in the Temple when Jesus came back later that same day.

In the resurrection everybody alive at the end of day 1 will be alive on the day Satan is released (and all other fallen angels), they are a static population that will include all of Israel going back to Jacob and the righteous in the 7 Churches and anybody else that Re:20:4 includes. They increase in knowledge over the 1,000 years and in the 1,000 feasts of the tabernacle that they have sets the tone for their role once the New Earth starts. They will reside in New Jerusalem and they will play host to a celebration just like Israel does in Zec:14.

M't:22:30:
For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The people that are not alive for the 1,000 years will be the ones living outside the city and they will be the ones building house in Isaiah 65 and they will be the ones to have children that give the ever increasing number over eternity.

I already answered that, its quite obvious the shcolars of the rcc tried to mimic Daniel's theme.

2300 days? there are many jewish festivals in 6.5 years...

your time line is stupid! it says mashiac! not THE mashiach.
mashiach is anointed. david was mashiach cyrus was mashiach the ark was mashiach the priests were mashiachs... who were cut off in 70 AD.

watch the video I provided above. it explains it thoughraly.

This earth was only made 'very good', the new earth that was always in prophecy will be the one where sin and death never enter. This is a seed bank for that place.

what your saying is not going to happen.

you resort to the NT to prove the OT! you cant do that!

since you comprehend the OT came first, you must prove the NT via the OT!

you don't do that, you pertain to that by resorting back to the NT.

why not try to answer all the refutes I had already made? none of you had proved me wrong, I proved you wrong many times by now.

your belief is lost many of its credibility and you have not tried to restore it once. you just make up new points for me to disprove.

Your ignorance is NOT bliss. Let God be true and every man a liar. People perish for their lack of knowledge. You my friend need to grab a Nee King James Bible and read.

yes! you are getting these prophecies from the beloved OT!

and the mashiach will judge who enters and who not, in the valley of jehoshophat. and this happens in the end time!

jesus did not fulfill that.

and now you must resort to second coming which has no support in the OT.
and the NT itself hurts the credibility of the second coming.

I know you love the god of the OT and he loves you to, he made your lives so much easier by giving you only 7 laws.

noachite laws, were second law given. you don't know of the law of the sons of god, because you don't know the law of god.

the laws are, the law of adam and the garden, the law of the noachites, the law of moses (strictly to jews, gentiles keep the noachites) and the law that is to be changed at the end time!
if jesus changed the law prior to the end time... well then I guess you can say the OT is dead, and jesus with it!
cause jesus wont be any messiah without the OT that tells you about messiah.

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im ignorant?

why would I read kjv? I know is corrupted, try not be ignorant and read what I said all over this thread.

You're really going to make me repeat myself eh?



Respectfully, I don't think you understand the issue at hand, and you're falling into this gentleman's same argumentation style: sophistry.

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The best place to start is Daniel 12:11, here we find two events separated by a period of time. “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.” The constant feature is removed, and then one thousand two hundred and ninety days later the disgusting thing is placed.

The next verse explains itself quiet well, Dan 12:12: “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty five days!” This depicts those who reach the first day of the paradise new earth.

There is also another time period mentioned in the twelfth chapter of Daniel 12:7, and that is of the: “appointed time, appointed times and a half.” We know from comparing Revelation 12:14 and 12:6 that this time period equals one thousand two hundred and sixty days. As well we read at Rev 11:3: “And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” So the beginning of the time table in the twelfth chapter of Daniel starts with the constant feature being removed. Then twelve hundred sixty days later that time period ends. We know from Dan 12:11 that thirty days later, the twelve hundred ninety day time table ends, then forty five days after that the thirteen hundred and thirty fifth day comes in.

Now let’s take a look at Daniel 8:13, 14 where we read: “And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?” So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

So what does this have to do with Jewish Festivals?

Are you familiar with minor/major prophetic fulfillment?

What do you think passover symbolizes?

I don't want you to feel I patronizing you, im not.

im just bursting the bubble that has been the lies fed to you.

before I found out about the conspiracy world, I must admit... i accepted jesus.

it is the bursting of my normal world bubble with the pin of conspiracy that has encouraged me to investigate my Judaism, i came from a secularist family.

and from human being who believes in the OT to another human being who believes in the OT, I say to you, god loves you, keep his seven laws given to all humanity.

if since reading the beloved OT you come to love god so much that you the 7 laws are not enough for you... the join us as brothers.

take up the law and taste the full taste of torah and commandments which david sings about it psalms.

pin this.

That's just stupid. It clearly speaks of ONE man:
Isa 53:1 ¶ Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

But it's not surprising, guy in the video is blind.
2Co 3:12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

You're blind Israel guy.

Here's some more Last days stuff:
[link to eternal-productions.org]

and the idiot that don't know about the Trinity you are almost as blind but that's what happens when you guys are not born again, you will never get to know the deep things.