More Biblical Proof we are living the days spoken by the Prophet Daniel!

OK, but then you're mixing interpretations.

All of the elements represent empire, except the ONE element which represents Islam?

I don't think so ... (a religious system is ALWAYS referred to as a woman in Biblical prophecy, whether an adulteress or a whore, or bride)

There needs to be internal cohesion.

(the post right above this one has further argumentation which you'll need to account for, straight from Genesis)


I'll leave Daniel 9 / Isaiah 53 alone for now.

What about ideas? What about clear scriptural concepts repeated over and over?

Is it really worth relying on some random youtube video rather than logic and reason from the scriptures?

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The Messiah was 'cutoff' when God called John the baptist to be the High Priest. Only the Gospel of John (written by a disciple of John's)mentions events from the return and until John was put in prison, that is when Jesus began to preach so it takes a combined time to make a full 3 1/2 years and the cross being the event tat took away sacrifice as in Da:8 and Da:9 at 'mid'week'.

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no they aren't. you keep saying you don't want other people telling you about your laws, why do you try to decide what laws other people should follow? at least try to be consistent

YOU THINK THIS IS ABOUT ISRAEL??

Daniel 9:27

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[

i don't understand. youre trying to show luke was a prophet because he repeated some ot prophecies... shocking.

you say the beasts hold the truth?
each part of the body is represent by a beast. the clay is Muhammad and the little horn.

all the kings until the rome finally takes over are part of the bronze beast.

rome takes the scepter and role of iron, it is still here.

Isa:14:9:
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
it stirreth up the dead for thee,
even all the chief ones of the earth;
it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa:14:10:
All they shall speak and say unto thee,
Art thou also become weak as we?
art thou become like unto us?
Isa:14:11:
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee,
and the worms cover thee.
Isa:14:12:
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
Isa:14:13:
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
Isa:14:14:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Isa:14:15:
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
Isa:14:16:
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,
and consider thee,
saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;

Daniel 9 is not isiah 53...

Since the post is now on the previous page:

What about Genesis 3, the first prophecy about the Messiah:

And Jehovah God proceeded to say to the serpent (Satan): “Because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field. Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat all the days of your life. And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.”

What is the bruising of the head of the 'serpent'?

The destruction of Satan.

What is the bruise on the heel of the messiah?

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that is not talking about the little horn!

its talking about nebuchanazzer! whom went mad for 7 years because he thought!
have you not read? the dream of the tree and nebuchadnezzer becoming a mad man? a beast in the wild?

why do you think everything is a messianic prophecy??

when theres a messianic prophecy its always talking about Davidic king who will rule and bring utopia after israels tribulation etc etc.

the verses are not about messiah or satan.

man steps on the heads of snakes to kill them. snakes crawl so they bite the hills of human beings.

this is not a prophecy, it just explaining why and how we kill snakes and why snakes kill us.

Actually he was a scribe writing down what Jesus said, but whatever.

The head of gold in Da:2 would be the 1st beast in Da:7. The silver started with Nevb's son and two other men mentioned by name are represented by the 3 ribs in the 2nd beast.

The 3rd beast is the brass and the 4 wings are 4 possible kings, Alex being 1 and Rome being the next to last one as whatever.

The 4th beast has fallen angels as the leaders, they are the iron, the clay are 10 men that get kingdoms for 3 1/2 years that cover the globe.

Re:17:12:
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

So the snake feels 'enmity' with the woman? (the snake which deceived Eve)

And that enmity carries over to 'her' seed?

And then her seed steps on the snakes head?

Come on man .... alright, I'm done, see you in the kingdom when "all knees will bow" to Jehovah's appointed.

We can get a beer and laugh about this.

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the bronze was a mess. there were the 4 kings who enherited alex' kingdom, then the Egyptians came.

then there were kings who successed them. and fought among each other.
mainly the ptolemites of Egypt and the northern part.
it was a big mess.

it would be like saying the age of rome ended with the death of ceaser.

the silver started when media and Persia took over.

two hands! two people united against Babylon.

alexander started the bronze age. when he terminated Persia, and the times of the greeks started.

when rome took over the ptolemites we entered the iron age.

yes man, snakes hate people, and people hate snakes.

you have to pay the seven laws of noah to get the beer. id have to pay 613 laws, but im sure hope to meet you at the pub :D

Sure they are, that is why Re:12 is about Ge:3:15 and the determination made there. The 2nd woman in that chapter is Mary, mother of Jesus and the last woman are the ones sealed for protection from the same being cast out of heaven in that chapter.

that's because the NT is pertaining to be the succession of the OT!

which has been the essence of the argue.

now since we both agree that the OT ruled first. you have to prove the NT truly deserves it.

and when i point why its not the case, you guys use resort for excuses from the NT.

if you agree to that the lord god of Israel is real, that you would have to prove your jesus claim in the OT.

you had not done that.

you resort for excuses from the nt. your book is being the one who you try to prove, you cant use it as proof.

Wrong iron, the kings body itself is iron meaning different from being human.

Da:8:23:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
Da:8:24:
And his power shall be mighty,
but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully,
and shall prosper,
and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Da:8:25:
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart,
and by peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without hand.

The book of Jude is about the kings before the flood and the kings before Christ arrives with the 7th trump.

its the angel explaining Daniel what he saw just prior.
these verses talking about the ram that is Persia and madai.
the Capricorn is the ptolemites and the big horn is alex that had been broken and succeded by 4 kings than after them came another king from them (not a new beast) he was Antiochus, and the macabbean revolt, he stopped the temple work, this is why we celebrate hannukah.

rome is not included in this vision and explanations.
it is not talking about the 4th beast, it doesn't mention it.

and then he says after that would pass day evening and 2300 years until the end, and it is sealed.

all of them i rebuked, you don't pay attention, isiah 53 not talking about jesus and i proved it. your Daniel timelines is wrong.

not jesus, but mashiach is coming, and not returning.

absolute proof jesus could not be messiah.

the cursing of the fig tree.

he failed exactly like moses failed, when he smote the rock.

because moses did that, god did not allow him to enter Israel.
if moses did not smite the rock, he would have turned king with temple and bring a premature salvation, the world was not ready then.

if jesus was pertaining to be mashaich the fact he failed like moses, shows he was not mashiach.

and jesus failed in a lot of other places.

Isaiah is about how it pleased God to send His only son to the grave. The speaker of that verse is the beginning and the end of the Bible. The condensed version of the one true God can be pictured by reading Ge:1-3 and Re:1-3. Ge:3:15 put some events in the way of getting to the last part. All the actual history of the OT was geared towards the completion of that single verse. By rights the 4 Gospels belong to that history as the cross was used to define what the term 'bruise' means. The cross made it physical death, for a man (which is what Christ was manifest into by the Holy Spirit), death to a being of the 2nd birth (being able to see God's face and live while you also know about good and evil). Death to an angel who sins is a one way trip to the fiery lake, that is a bruise to Satan.

Proverb:8:22:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
before his works of old.

1Jo:3:8:
He that committeth sin is of the devil;
for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Re:16:17:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.

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I understand about the rock and pride and such but how did that apply to the fig tree that was made dry instead of green, at that time? Was it not symbolic of the title of 'my people' was passed from the 12 Tribes (the people that gave birth to the seed of Eve that was to be bruised in the heel and be taken off his feet) to the Gentiles who will see 2/3 of their number enter the grave on the same day the ones they called kings are overthrown at the end of the iron/clay kingdom. Acts:10 saw Gentiles come to Peter just after Peter was told that Gentile food was clean and he could eat any/all without it being a sin. God made it a point of making a prophecy and having Jesus be the fulfillment to make a commonality between prophecy and reality.
The prophecy was the arrest and death on the cross and the return for dictating the NT from Acts:10 on was for Gentiles in that all to the 4 corners of the earth were to hear about God. The NT was fully written by 100AD and Jews in the Nations were the first to hear about the 'updates'. The Temple in Re:5 took over from the one taken down in Jerusalem and prayers end up as vapors on the alter. The same sort of prayer than both Daniel and Jonah used. Teaching Gentiles brought all of them under the two laws and that entire population comes to be under a common judgment where 2/3 will die and 1/3 will live to become the ones that remain alive in the Nations after Jesus has 'sorted them' according to a set of standards given by God. Those standards are spelled out in the letters to the 7 Churches and on the day the 7th trump sounds that causes the 7 vials to be poured out and judgment over the world takes place.

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

M't:26:55:
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes,
Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?
I sat daily with you teaching in the temple,
and ye laid no hold on me.
M't:26:56:
But all this was done,
that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him,
and fled.



Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.


Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Re:19:14:
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in fine linen,
white and clean.
Re:19:15:
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
that with it he should smite the nations:
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

M't:13:41:
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;

The survivors of the vials are the remnant mentioned in the rest of that same passage.


If it wasn't the rock event God would have still had to find some reason to kill Moses before his 120th birthday. In Ge:6 God determined that a persons life would last 120 years and then the breath of life would leave. In Adam's time and until the last of the giants were killed 'one day' was 1,000 years long. Adam died at 930 years which would be 93 years out of a possible 100.

When the 10 Commandments became Law that 120 year rule came into effect and it will be the standard for the period of time that the New earth is in. Moses was the first and his death would have been very close to his 120th birthday.

Heb:9:27:
And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:

When Moses is resurrected he has a very short time before the judgment of being a sinner takes place and if judged in the OT while alive he would have been sent to the fiery lake instead of the common grave that Job:14 references as being active until Job is no longer there.

Isa:65:17:
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.
Isa:65:18:
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create:
for,
behold,
I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
Isa:65:19:
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
and joy in my people:
and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her,
nor the voice of crying.

The first people that gain immortality are the ones that are alive for the 1,000 years and by the time New Jerusalem lands on the New Earth all humans ever born are inside. When the gates open living water comes out and the same healing that took place in Israel at the start of the 1,000 years (Ezekiel 47) takes place on the new earth and once that phase is complete it stands that the ones outside the city walls are the ones that only came alive at the start of the Great White Throne event. The ones that took part in Zec:14 stay inside New Jerusalem and they act as Priests and Kings to the ones living outside the city walls. Isaiah 65 is addressed to the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20, in particular the ones killed by Christ's sword (the 7 vial in total) and their punishment is what the 2/3 will be doing for the 1,000 year reign and they remain under lock and key when the fallen angels are set free for their execution to the fiery lake. While the 1,000 years started out as total ruin the end sees it returned back to a garden as far as the borders in Ge:2 go. The rest of the planet gets rain where needed so when Satan is released it just happens to be at the time everyone is gathered for the yearly feast of the Tabernacle. The escape for the perfected people it to be taken to the place where the great White Throne is located and then return to a world that looks like this earth in Ge:2.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Once Re:22 is fulfilled and 'the rest' are living in their houses they are given in marriage so they have children. When a child is born in that era it is called an'infant' for the first 20 years, at the age of 20 the title 'infant' is replaced by the term 'child' and that stage will last a full 100 years. We call it 'adult' and that stage people marry and over the 100 years have 100 children. At the age of 120 years God judges them to be a sinner or not, when found to be not a sinner the title 'child' is dropped and the one called 'old-man' is taken and that title lasts for eternity. The title comes with certain gifts and the price paid is you no longer can have your own children, you enter a stage where the new children are your 'grand-kids' and the ones that are inside the city are still not given in marriage but 'their children' would be the ever increasing number called 'children of God'

Isa:65:20:
There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isa:65:21:
And they shall build houses,
and inhabit them;
and they shall plant vineyards,
and eat the fruit of them.


Here is an example of how god made Him a 'winner' from the start'. God 'caused' the event to happen just so the term 'land of the enemy' could be defined and to show that it has a beginning and an ending. The actual children killed have to again be standing where they died along with their mothers of God is not involved, that is not the last sign, that is the first sign. That and the example of who the 'little ones' are (called 'children' by Paul and the Beloved Disciple)

M't:2:16:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
M't:2:17:
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
M't:2:18:
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.

Jer:31:15:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Jer:31:16:
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
Jer:31:17:
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.

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Technically Scripture calls it Grecia so while Alex may have been the leaderv at the time Jerusalem came under his control he died within a few weeks so any General should be part of Grecia rather than being a 'new horn' as you suggest. 4 new horns should be 4 new leaders just like in the silver, something that holds a name. Rome took over in 50BC (easy math) so they would have to be at least the 5th ruler over Jerusalem that fulfilled all the requirements, like the one in Da:2 that says they will become a great kingdom in the world after they control Jerusalem. Given the direction from Jerusalem you can't help but hit Rome square on, let alone that in 500 years she fulfilled all the required verses, like being named the 6th king that counts Neb as the first and the silver as a few more and Alex as another one.
All that by accident??


Rome would be in the 3rd beast, part of the brass, the iron/clay kingdom has not started yet.

Da:7:6:
After this I beheld,
and lo another,
like a leopard,
which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;
the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.

Dominion is something like Alex had, after Alex Rome was the biggest 'dominion' that ever controlled Jerusalem. What you are promoting is considered a 'speed-bump' in Scripture.

Da:9:25:
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again,
and the wall,
even in troublous times.


To fall within the 2nd half of the 70th week the 2300 would have to start about the time God called John to begin preaching and making disciples. 7 years would be 2520 and that would be Peter's vision in Acts:10 so the death of Stephen could be on a day that the numbers fit. As it is only the 3 1/2 years leading to the cross has actual references.

Da:8:13:
Then I heard one saint speaking,
and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice,
and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Da:8:14:
And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days;
then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Ac:8:1:
And Saul was consenting unto his death.
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem;
and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria,
except the apostles.

you Christ tards are really stupid, you isolate versus and say "praise the lord its jesus!" isiah 53 is not speaking about jesus! it is speaking about gods son THE NATION OF ISRAEL
verse 5: it says he suffers from our sins. - not FOR our sins but BECAUSE of them.
I bet you don't even know the whole passage.
read verse 10, it says "if he accepts the guilt and faith he will see seed, and his days will be prolonged"

how does that fit jesus?? jesus had no kids, and he didn't live long.

the writers of the NT made up prophecies that are not messianic.