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THIS is why people get turned off God and christians. How they are sickened by religion.

 
orpheuskingstone

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Accoring to most christians..(This is what they teach and what I too was taught)..Its also in just about every "Burn in hell NDE vid they post..

Tomorrow will bring forth another 250000 opportunities for god to put his torture devices in hell to good use.

You know,,his flesh eating worms he created..his boiling mud and lava pits...his torture racks and flames and hot pokers and such.

Yes..each day..for the 250,000 that die every day..this is what our loving and oh so forgiving and merciful god has in store for those who did not fall for the blackmail he pumps out here every day of "BOW to me or BUUURRRRNN!!...but HE loves YOU,,NEVER FORGET THAT.

Logical?

No.

SADISTIC.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46344121


so is your stubborness, which is worse?

dont fool yourself op, your readers are gone, and you are alone, because im gone now too.

good luck with this, really.

hf
 Quoting: orpheuskingstone


They are gone because they cannot debunk it.

Orhave what they really beleive aired out in public like this.

Remeber that time Jesus was surrounded by the pharisees as he stooped to the ground and wrote in the dans?....and they all went away silent..not able to find grounds for further argument?

Its like that.

The truth of what they teach..and do..and how they act..is there for ALL to see.

So..they either hang around and insult and belittle..or walk away utterly stumped...unable to debunk or argue.


because to do so means they disagree with their OWN doctrine.
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did you just call yourself jesus?
only the song of silence soothes every soul.
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Christians twist scripture or ignore them to create the eternal torture theme...as that is the AGENDA...to further a LIE!

Like this..

What the word actually SAYS

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

And what they actually TEACH..

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.


And What the word actually SAYS

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

And what they actually TEACH..

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive.

And What the word actually SAYS

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

And what they actually TEACH..

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

And What the word actually SAYS

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And what they actually TEACH..

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

And What the word actually SAYS

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

And what they actually TEACH..

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

And What the word actually SAYS

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

And what they actually TEACH..

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me.

And What the word actually SAYS

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And what they actually TEACH..

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.


And What the word actually SAYS


John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

And what they actually TEACH..

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.
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Took a fair bit of twisting of scripture to make them say the OPPOSITE of whats there...but most christians should not have a problem with it because its what they EXACTLY teach..
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"13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14

The bible doesn't say that EVERYONE will be with God, the people being tortured forever in hell ideas aren't real but you're taking those verses out of context
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Re: THIS is why people get turned off God and christians. How they are sickened by religion.
OK ill sum it up.

"Forgive your enemies." God says through jesus.

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.


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Your enemies are your equal. God doesn't have enemies, because they are not Gods equal, they are creations of his, and has rights of ownership to give life or take it, over all his creations. I marvel, that people here can even try to compel others into belief, that they are equal to God, or capable of sitting in judgement of God, your personal understanding is so severally limited.
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Accoring to most christians..(This is what they teach and what I too was taught)..Its also in just about every "Burn in hell NDE vid they post..

Tomorrow will bring forth another 250000 opportunities for god to put his torture devices in hell to good use.

You know,,his flesh eating worms he created..his boiling mud and lava pits...his torture racks and flames and hot pokers and such.

Yes..each day..for the 250,000 that die every day..this is what our loving and oh so forgiving and merciful god has in store for those who did not fall for the blackmail he pumps out here every day of "BOW to me or BUUURRRRNN!!...but HE loves YOU,,NEVER FORGET THAT.

Logical?

No.

SADISTIC.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46344121


so is your stubborness, which is worse?

dont fool yourself op, your readers are gone, and you are alone, because im gone now too.

good luck with this, really.

hf
 Quoting: orpheuskingstone


They are gone because they cannot debunk it.

Orhave what they really beleive aired out in public like this.

Remeber that time Jesus was surrounded by the pharisees as he stooped to the ground and wrote in the dans?....and they all went away silent..not able to find grounds for further argument?

Its like that.

The truth of what they teach..and do..and how they act..is there for ALL to see.

So..they either hang around and insult and belittle..or walk away utterly stumped...unable to debunk or argue.


because to do so means they disagree with their OWN doctrine.
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did you just call yourself jesus?
 Quoting: orpheuskingstone


Its called analogy.

Comparison.

Similar situation.

So once again the attempt to belittle and debunk with a false accusation and allusion fails.
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so is your stubborness, which is worse?

dont fool yourself op, your readers are gone, and you are alone, because im gone now too.

good luck with this, really.

hf
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They are gone because they cannot debunk it.

Orhave what they really beleive aired out in public like this.

Remeber that time Jesus was surrounded by the pharisees as he stooped to the ground and wrote in the dans?....and they all went away silent..not able to find grounds for further argument?

Its like that.

The truth of what they teach..and do..and how they act..is there for ALL to see.

So..they either hang around and insult and belittle..or walk away utterly stumped...unable to debunk or argue.


because to do so means they disagree with their OWN doctrine.
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did you just call yourself jesus?
 Quoting: orpheuskingstone


Its called analogy.

Comparison.

Similar situation.

So once again the attempt to belittle and debunk with a false accusation and allusion fails.
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so you, jesus, hate the christians in your analogy?

nah dude, yur ego, flat out.

time to look at yourself.

*holds up mirror

how does your analogy look now?
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im not attacking you, im attacking your demon.

didnt you say you you had scared mine away?

cmon man, show some respect please.

its tiring.
only the song of silence soothes every soul.
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im not attacking you, im attacking your demon.

didnt you say you you had scared mine away?

cmon man, show some respect please.

its tiring.
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You want to see how a demon reacts?

Its like this.


you know what? fuck you op.. enjoy your end mother fucker.. like i will also enjoy mine.. at least im not going out hating away and all miserable asshole like you man.. i wrote a nice long post for you above but you just ignored it and went on and on with your stupid hate filled nonsense so from god to you is a big FUCK YOU DIE CUNT.. and you know what you only have it coming cause your the fucker asshole your the shit head your the loser who has failed upon every chance you where given and then you still find someone else to blame for your own short comings and you still find some one else to blame for your own hate filled bull shit and you still try and push your agenda and look for sympathy from others when youv had it much easier than many many many on this planet and all you did was fuck up and fuck up and fuck over and over and over until you realized that your nothing more than the cursed dickhead you are.. and you know what above i wrote that god loves you and god is good and god is great but as asshole rat like you doesnt get to see or experience that because you are a rotten piece of shit and you only get back what you put out there all along.. and no none of it was good and none of it was right.. and no you are not a good person no you are not a worthy person and no you are not even worth anything in the eyes of the lord and i can assure you that no body else needs to tell you just how fucked up you are compared to the real people of this world.. so fuck and at least die with a little dignity instead of going out like the loser you came in as..
 Quoting: 1witnessOfGod 30970843


And this..

you know what op? im getting real fucking tired of your demonic shit you damn blasphemy!

I will jump for joy in utter glee with the biggest smile on my face when I see your eternal soul cast into the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone for ALL ETERNITY you lying filth!

you really don't understand this do you? this is REALITY. life in Hell is as real as this one, in fact more so since the senses are enhanced. you will ROAST like a pig broiled for dinner. you will FRY in Hellfire. you will hunger but will go hungry, you will thirst but will go thirsty FOREVER as demons torture and stab you with spears forged in Hellfire.

you will be torn limb from limb only to be regenerated and torn apart again.

you will never get used to the pain either,

it will be just as painful on your 1000000th day in hell as your first and it will never stop. its eternal. a thousand years will pass, a million years will pass, a billion, a trillion and your are NEVER any closer to it ending.

tell me, is this really what you want? keep spreading your lies and hatred for the truth and you will get it.
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and this..


WE PREACH ONLY LOVE AND PEACE..ALWAYS HAVE!!!its all the OTHER religions that are WRONG and will all BURN IN HELL for their EVIL like YOU WILL DOUBTER!!!!.

But YOU MOCKERS and The evil ones of SATAN just WONT LISTEN and DESERVE TO BURN by their OWN FREE WILL...you CHOOSE to let God BURN YOU ALIVE FOREVER and you DESERVE IT!!!!

I am sure glad I am saved and not going to be TORTURED IN FLAMES by GOD forever and ever..I am going to be RAPTURED AWAY while you all BUUUURN AS YOUR EVIL DEEDS DESERVE!!!

YES...all you evil ones who mock GOD and DARE to ask any questions like doubting that God made hell to torture you in will FACE THE FLAMES of ETERNAL AGONY as God SPITS you like VOMIT OUT of his MOUTH in his disgust at your unbelief.

He created hell for vile unrepentant evil sinners who refuse to accept Jesus!!!!.

BURN in HELL you FOUL MOCKERS OF GODS HORRORS THAT HE HAS LINED UP FOR YOU...you will WRITHE in the FLAMES of his WRATH FOR REFUSUNG HIM!!

Just remember all you who MOCK and choose to believe the lies of SATAN or DARE to questioon US the TRUE believers......you CHOSE to watch your flesh peel away from your body in hell ETERNALLY in UNTOLD AGONY..its YOUR own STUPID STUBBORN FAULT you SATANIC EVIL UNREPENTANT FOOLS!..the FOOL says in his heart "There is NO GOD" and so HELL is FULL OF FOOLS who CHOSE yo go there!!!

DIE in your sins you worthless HEATHENS and MOCKERS!!..DIE,,because Jesus loved you SO much you REJECTED him you deserve DEATH FOREVER IN AGONY YOU FILTHY SINNERS!

US TRUE BELEIVERS...THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE ONES...HAVE TO TELL THESE EVIL FILTHY UNWASHED SINNERS WHAT AWAITS THEM IF THEY DONT LISTEN TO IT OR DARE TO QUESTION GODS RIGHT TO TORTURE THEM FOREVER IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR REFUSING HIM!!

SPREADING THE GOOD NEWS OF GODS EVERLASTING LOVE!!!!

JESUS IS LORD!!!

hf

PEACE TO YOU and may you find Jesus.....BEFORE HE RETURNS ADN BURNS YOU ALIVE FOREVER AND EVER!!!


BTW he LOVES YOU ALL.
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Thread: TO ALL THOSE WHO MOCK CHRISTIANS AND MOCK GOD AND HELL!...LISTEN AND REPENT!

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nope, still here.

what do you want to talk about in 20 words or less.

i have other shit to do to, so please..
only the song of silence soothes every soul.
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Hell is in Sheol, South Korea.
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Instead of sinking to their level and saying all this, come lead by example and join us over here...

Thread: I have ascended and can help you ascend as well. AMA
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Instead of sinking to their level and saying all this, come lead by example and join us over here...

Thread: I have ascended and can help you ascend as well. AMA
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i fight the fights, you write the books brother.

just sayin.

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nope, still here.

what do you want to talk about in 20 words or less.

i have other shit to do to, so please..
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If God is all knowing and the alpha and omega then everything that takes place is already known by him because he is already AT the end of time looking back on it.

Thats why his prophcies never fail because its all workled out alread..as far as he is concerned its already happenned.
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nope, still here.

what do you want to talk about in 20 words or less.

i have other shit to do to, so please..
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If God is all knowing and the alpha and omega then everything that takes place is already known by him because he is already AT the end of time looking back on it.

Thats why his prophcies never fail because its all workled out alread..as far as he is concerned its already happenned.
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prophecy is self fulfilling, and not the good side doing it.
only the song of silence soothes every soul.
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Hell is false doctrine period
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The real teaching is that you are either within or without.
But don't listen to me, I'm just a sinner:)
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nope, still here.

what do you want to talk about in 20 words or less.

i have other shit to do to, so please..
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If God is all knowing and the alpha and omega then everything that takes place is already known by him because he is already AT the end of time looking back on it.

Thats why his prophcies never fail because its all workled out alread..as far as he is concerned its already happenned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46381687


prophecy is self fulfilling, and not the good side doing it.
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Here is a mindscrew for you.

Get your head around this.

Remember in the book of revelation how the Lord took John into the future and showed him everything that was taking place?

and he told him to write it down..then John was back in his own century and wrote it all down,

and then through the years the bad guys saw these writings and have tried to make them happen...

and now they are..

and right now John himself is watching what is taking place NOW and writing all that he sees down..which the bad guys will read and make happen..and thus John is seeing the results of what he wrote..

popcorn
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nope, still here.

what do you want to talk about in 20 words or less.

i have other shit to do to, so please..
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If God is all knowing and the alpha and omega then everything that takes place is already known by him because he is already AT the end of time looking back on it.

Thats why his prophcies never fail because its all workled out alread..as far as he is concerned its already happenned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46381687


prophecy is self fulfilling, and not the good side doing it.
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Here is a mindscrew for you.

Get your head around this.

Remember in the book of revelation how the Lord took John into the future and showed him everything that was taking place?

and he told him to write it down..then John was back in his own century and wrote it all down,

and then through the years the bad guys saw these writings and have tried to make them happen...

and now they are..

and right now John himself is watching what is taking place NOW and writing all that he sees down..which the bad guys will read and make happen..and thus John is seeing the results of what he wrote..

popcorn
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in this we agree, fuck prophecy.
only the song of silence soothes every soul.
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The problem with christians as I see it is they believe they have the one and only 'truth' and feel it is their job to push it on everyone else. You push your moral code on everyone as if it's magically the right way.


Christianity has a very simple dualistic model in which it operates and in a dynamic system where not everything is black and white this way of thinking is nothing less than a cognitive disorder.

You are angry at people reacting to having this religion shoved in their face 24/7 and only wonder why they won't 'see the light'.

Christianity is very clever though because if anything comes along to challenge it or even totally disprove an aspect of it or the bible with empirical evidence it can easily be ignored as a test of your faith, For example: Dinosaur bones are well over 5000 years old. Response: They were put there by god as a test or evil atheist scientists are interpreting the data in line with their master, Satan.

Unfortunately this is impossible to explain to someone who is inflicted with this cognitive disorder because well, you have a cognitive disorder.

As a non-christian it is interesting to note that Christians and insane people will elicit the same response from me should I accidentally be drawn into a conversation with one. That is at some point during the mad ramblings of either I find myself slowly backing away going "ok, I've got to go".


Another point to mention is Christians often wear the dislike people have for their nosy insidious ways as a badge of honour because now you are being crucified for your beliefs just like jesus was. Did it ever occur to you that people don't need your mentally ill interpretation of the world because it is a flawed model?

A cartoon I saw recently comes to mind that had the caption: "Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet." That really sums it up quite nicely really. Whatever your beliefs are they are YOUR beliefs, they may be true for you but they are NOT universally true, the dualistic mindset cannot comprehend this which in a way makes everything I say moot.

You are 100% right people are reactionary to delusions that keep people locked in ignorance and so they should be.
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The problem with christians as I see it is they believe they have the one and only 'truth' and feel it is their job to push it on everyone else. You push your moral code on everyone as if it's magically the right way.


Christianity has a very simple dualistic model in which it operates and in a dynamic system where not everything is black and white this way of thinking is nothing less than a cognitive disorder.

You are angry at people reacting to having this religion shoved in their face 24/7 and only wonder why they won't 'see the light'.

Christianity is very clever though because if anything comes along to challenge it or even totally disprove an aspect of it or the bible with empirical evidence it can easily be ignored as a test of your faith, For example: Dinosaur bones are well over 5000 years old. Response: They were put there by god as a test or evil atheist scientists are interpreting the data in line with their master, Satan.

Unfortunately this is impossible to explain to someone who is inflicted with this cognitive disorder because well, you have a cognitive disorder.

As a non-christian it is interesting to note that Christians and insane people will elicit the same response from me should I accidentally be drawn into a conversation with one. That is at some point during the mad ramblings of either I find myself slowly backing away going "ok, I've got to go".


Another point to mention is Christians often wear the dislike people have for their nosy insidious ways as a badge of honour because now you are being crucified for your beliefs just like jesus was. Did it ever occur to you that people don't need your mentally ill interpretation of the world because it is a flawed model?

A cartoon I saw recently comes to mind that had the caption: "Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet." That really sums it up quite nicely really. Whatever your beliefs are they are YOUR beliefs, they may be true for you but they are NOT universally true, the dualistic mindset cannot comprehend this which in a way makes everything I say moot.

You are 100% right people are reactionary to delusions that keep people locked in ignorance and so they should be.
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LOL.

Good saying.
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nope, still here.

what do you want to talk about in 20 words or less.

i have other shit to do to, so please..
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If God is all knowing and the alpha and omega then everything that takes place is already known by him because he is already AT the end of time looking back on it.

Thats why his prophcies never fail because its all workled out alread..as far as he is concerned its already happenned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46381687


prophecy is self fulfilling, and not the good side doing it.
 Quoting: orpheuskingstone


Here is a mindscrew for you.

Get your head around this.

Remember in the book of revelation how the Lord took John into the future and showed him everything that was taking place?

and he told him to write it down..then John was back in his own century and wrote it all down,

and then through the years the bad guys saw these writings and have tried to make them happen...

and now they are..

and right now John himself is watching what is taking place NOW and writing all that he sees down..which the bad guys will read and make happen..and thus John is seeing the results of what he wrote..

popcorn
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Now THAT is interesting. I didn't expect to learn anything on this thread
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If God is all knowing and the alpha and omega then everything that takes place is already known by him because he is already AT the end of time looking back on it.

Thats why his prophcies never fail because its all workled out alread..as far as he is concerned its already happenned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46381687


prophecy is self fulfilling, and not the good side doing it.
 Quoting: orpheuskingstone


Here is a mindscrew for you.

Get your head around this.

Remember in the book of revelation how the Lord took John into the future and showed him everything that was taking place?

and he told him to write it down..then John was back in his own century and wrote it all down,

and then through the years the bad guys saw these writings and have tried to make them happen...

and now they are..

and right now John himself is watching what is taking place NOW and writing all that he sees down..which the bad guys will read and make happen..and thus John is seeing the results of what he wrote..

popcorn
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Now THAT is interesting. I didn't expect to learn anything on this thread
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Mind bender isnt it?
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prophecy is self fulfilling, and not the good side doing it.
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Here is a mindscrew for you.

Get your head around this.

Remember in the book of revelation how the Lord took John into the future and showed him everything that was taking place?

and he told him to write it down..then John was back in his own century and wrote it all down,

and then through the years the bad guys saw these writings and have tried to make them happen...

and now they are..

and right now John himself is watching what is taking place NOW and writing all that he sees down..which the bad guys will read and make happen..and thus John is seeing the results of what he wrote..

popcorn
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Now THAT is interesting. I didn't expect to learn anything on this thread
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Mind bender isnt it?
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You tell me?
So the evil in this world is being perpetrated by humans with no free will?
How did God know, with free will in the design, that this plan would work?hmmmmmmm:)
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Here is a mindscrew for you.

Get your head around this.

Remember in the book of revelation how the Lord took John into the future and showed him everything that was taking place?

and he told him to write it down..then John was back in his own century and wrote it all down,

and then through the years the bad guys saw these writings and have tried to make them happen...

and now they are..

and right now John himself is watching what is taking place NOW and writing all that he sees down..which the bad guys will read and make happen..and thus John is seeing the results of what he wrote..

popcorn
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Now THAT is interesting. I didn't expect to learn anything on this thread
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Mind bender isnt it?
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You tell me?
So the evil in this world is being perpetrated by humans with no free will?
How did God know, with free will in the design, that this plan would work?hmmmmmmm:)
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Because he is already at the finish line and looks back through history, and with that knowledge made sure everything worked out to its maximum potential and losing nothing in the end.

How CAN he lose?

Would not be much of a God is he lost anything.
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OK ill sum it up.

"Forgive your enemies." God says through jesus.

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.


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Your enemies are your equal. God doesn't have enemies, because they are not Gods equal, they are creations of his, and has rights of ownership to give life or take it, over all his creations. I marvel, that people here can even try to compel others into belief, that they are equal to God, or capable of sitting in judgement of God, your personal understanding is so severally limited.
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Thank you!

When I learnt that Mark Twain vomited the idea that 'no one can be as great as God, but anyone can be as good as Him". I lost respect to his wit and humour; it does not amuse me any more!
He actually hated the God of Abraham.
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OK ill sum it up.

"Forgive your enemies." God says through jesus.

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.


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Your enemies are your equal. God doesn't have enemies, because they are not Gods equal, they are creations of his, and has rights of ownership to give life or take it, over all his creations. I marvel, that people here can even try to compel others into belief, that they are equal to God, or capable of sitting in judgement of God, your personal understanding is so severally limited.
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Thank you!

When I learnt that Mark Twain vomited the idea that 'no one can be as great as God, but anyone can be as good as Him". I lost respect to his wit and humour; it does not amuse me any more!
He actually hated the God of Abraham.
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That was probably because he heard over and over that the God of Abraham would be spending eternity making certain most of the humans HE brought into existence would be screaming in utmost agony foever.

If God did not want that to happen he would have created a different system.

Its a good thing he did.

Everyone has been lies to for centuries thanks to the catholic church who stole hell from the greeks who got it from the egyptians who got it from Nimrod.
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OK ill sum it up.

"Forgive your enemies." God says through jesus.

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46344121
Your enemies are your equal. God doesn't have enemies, because they are not Gods equal, they are creations of his, and has rights of ownership to give life or take it, over all his creations. I marvel, that people here can even try to compel others into belief, that they are equal to God, or capable of sitting in judgement of God, your personal understanding is so severally limited.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45594808


Thank you!

When I learnt that Mark Twain vomited the idea that 'no one can be as great as God, but anyone can be as good as Him". I lost respect to his wit and humour; it does not amuse me any more!
He actually hated the God of Abraham.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46242520


That was probably because he heard over and over that the God of Abraham would be spending eternity making certain most of the humans HE brought into existence would be screaming in utmost agony foever.

If God did not want that to happen he would have created a different system.

Its a good thing he did.

Everyone has been lies to for centuries thanks to the catholic church who stole hell from the greeks who got it from the egyptians who got it from Nimrod.
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burning at the stake to simulate hell
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The problem with christians as I see it is they believe they have the one and only 'truth' and feel it is their job to push it on everyone else. You push your moral code on everyone as if it's magically the right way.


Christianity has a very simple dualistic model in which it operates and in a dynamic system where not everything is black and white this way of thinking is nothing less than a cognitive disorder.

You are angry at people reacting to having this religion shoved in their face 24/7 and only wonder why they won't 'see the light'.

Christianity is very clever though because if anything comes along to challenge it or even totally disprove an aspect of it or the bible with empirical evidence it can easily be ignored as a test of your faith, For example: Dinosaur bones are well over 5000 years old. Response: They were put there by god as a test or evil atheist scientists are interpreting the data in line with their master, Satan.

Unfortunately this is impossible to explain to someone who is inflicted with this cognitive disorder because well, you have a cognitive disorder.

As a non-christian it is interesting to note that Christians and insane people will elicit the same response from me should I accidentally be drawn into a conversation with one. That is at some point during the mad ramblings of either I find myself slowly backing away going "ok, I've got to go".


Another point to mention is Christians often wear the dislike people have for their nosy insidious ways as a badge of honour because now you are being crucified for your beliefs just like jesus was. Did it ever occur to you that people don't need your mentally ill interpretation of the world because it is a flawed model?

A cartoon I saw recently comes to mind that had the caption: "Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet." That really sums it up quite nicely really. Whatever your beliefs are they are YOUR beliefs, they may be true for you but they are NOT universally true, the dualistic mindset cannot comprehend this which in a way makes everything I say moot.

You are 100% right people are reactionary to delusions that keep people locked in ignorance and so they should be.
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So you are here casting stones, condemning others, yet you ignore the log in your own eyes?
Who gave you the delusion that you are under to equate donuts/dieting to sodomites/marriage? That is a belief from the minds of wicked men who hold nothing sacred and holy and who do not know the body is the temple, and you therefore reason based upon their false words. Their words are your gospel. This world is fighting because they know not the gospel of peace. This world is fighting because they are carnal minds filled with the words of men and They can only reason from those words. Minds filled with garbage, lies and falsehoods can never come to the truth unless the light shines on that darkness. So what happens? They come along like all of these posts, including the OP's and yours, blanket condemning everyone else as wrong and themselves as right.

There is only one truth. There is only one righteousness and that is the righteousness of Almighty God. But in a world gone mad of billions insisting and acting as if each of us is that Almighty God, then we stay divided. You have done no differently than the self righteous Pharisees hauling the woman caught in adultery before Jesus. And the OP has done the very same thing. Accuse accuse accuse. Condemn condemn condemn. In it you miss the point that he is making - those who accuse and condemn have no right to do so if they themselves are hypocrites and sinners. It makes them unrighteous judges. They condemn on appearances without the hidden things in darkness being exposed by the light. It is only His light which can reveal those hidden things. They were condemning unrighteously.

You have already condemned The Most High God as a liar by preferring to believe what man has told you. You believe them and by doing so, you convict Almighty God as the liar.

Jesus WEPT over Jerusalem. He WEPT. In this alone He demonstrates that there is no fairy tale ending which man wants to believe in. He knew the outcome for Jerusalem, and by extrapolation, the world. Look around you as He too witnesses judgement upon the Earth. Man knows that he will stand before Him in judgement, yet continues to pursue his iniquity and evil ways as if there is no judgement. But yet Jesus, the Truth, WEPT over their future. I would rather believe Him than any man and his words that insists on logic that is circular. He already forgave our sins taking them in his body upon the cross. That shed blood and the grace of God - saves me. People looking to some future forgiveness are banking on His graces which exist TODAY. But they do not want it TODAY because they love the darkness and want to stay in it. What gives any person the right therefore to conclude that it is available after one's physical life is done here? Eternal life is a GIFT OF GOD. A gift is not obligatory.

The OP is too busy mocking, accusing and condemning. The OP has no interest in the truth nor teaching. Someone in Christ EDIFIES the body of Christ. This post isn't edification - its mockery and accusations. The OP full well knows that the tares are mature, yet funny enough, never mentions them. The OP has no interest in edifying the body of Christ because the OP is busy preaching the words that non-Christians WANT TO HEAR.

Are there Christians who preach endless torture? Sure, but I can honestly say that I have never experienced it. The only time that I do see it is on glp from posters who I can discern that are not in Christ - and the non-Christians lap the indoctrination up. Why? Because they use it for what it's designed to do - as just another reason to keep you from seeking the Truth. They have no understanding that the enemies of Christ sit right in the churches and pose as Christians to do one thing only - to influence their minds. You equate donuts with homosexuals as if their is no difference. Who gave you that belief? Who put that in your mind? The very same enemies of Christ who tell people that they'll be "endlessly tortured". How else do so many come to teach their own children that a deathstyle of disease, 500+ sexual partners, suicide, depression, and degradation is "normal" yet refuse to teach their children that a Saviour was born? Mass media portrays one as a helpless victim and the other as a tyrant. Yet, these same people are never taught that all the Ceasars were rapid homosexuals who willingly tied Christians to posts and lit them on fire or threw them alive to lions - women AND CHILDREN. How is it today that so many have the exact opposite image than reality? God is no tyrant - men are. And yet you sit here under mass media falsehoods comparing sodomites with donuts? They only exist to blind you to the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. They only exist to keep you tied to this world so that you won't realise that Christ is not of this world. They only exist to separate you from your Creator. And yet, you believe them and their words whilst tossing away the very book containing the gospel of salvation.

They exist to "turn people off". A drunkard caught up in his lifestyle wants to only hear that drinking isn't bad. They do not want to hear the opposite. a sexual addict caught up in his sexual desires does not want to hear anything regarding how it hurts him and others. In the same way, those who do not WANT to acknowledge their Creator will latch on to any excuse and reason to not seek that Creator - EVEN IF THAT EXCUSE IS A LOAD OF LIES. You choosing to believe those words in some cartoon is you simply calling the Creator a liar. You probably dismiss scripture as written by mere men and use that as an excuse to not believe the words. But hypocritically, you conclude that the cartoon's words, written by men, are truth and therefore you believe them. Who taught you to overlook such glaring hypocrisy? I'll tell you now - the enemies of Christ. They do no differently than in Judea 2,000 years ago - fill your mind with such lies, falsehoods and garbage that you cannot reach any other conclusion than what they designated for you to reach. They choose your decisions and they make your decisions for you by simply filling your mind with their words. You are Satan for the very same reason that Jesus called Peter 'Satan' - your mind is on the things of men and not the things of the Father. By believing men, you deem your Creator a liar. Thus, you reason falsely and conclude falsely. The whole world is doing the same as they race headlong into the lake.
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Now THAT is interesting. I didn't expect to learn anything on this thread
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Mind bender isnt it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46381687


You tell me?
So the evil in this world is being perpetrated by humans with no free will?
How did God know, with free will in the design, that this plan would work?hmmmmmmm:)
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Because he is already at the finish line and looks back through history, and with that knowledge made sure everything worked out to its maximum potential and losing nothing in the end.

How CAN he lose?

Would not be much of a God is he lost anything.
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And here is the promise:

(Thes) jkv

2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
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Mind bender isnt it?
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You tell me?
So the evil in this world is being perpetrated by humans with no free will?
How did God know, with free will in the design, that this plan would work?hmmmmmmm:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46386974


Because he is already at the finish line and looks back through history, and with that knowledge made sure everything worked out to its maximum potential and losing nothing in the end.

How CAN he lose?

Would not be much of a God is he lost anything.
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And here is the promise:

(Thes) jkv

2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
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And what of those who were decieved?
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Don't believe everything you hear.

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