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How are you people not believing the bible and turning your life over to Christ?

 
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Because we know the bible was written by the ruling elite that have enslaved the population for thousands upon thousands of years Idol1

It was used to enslave the Christian mind

Doesn't mean Christ isnt real(He is) it just means his followers have been told lies
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Yes makes so much sense its used to enslave thats why the elite are pushing christianity so hard upon the world. Ohh wait they arent they actually attack it. Good logic.
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I'm not sure you understand how they operate and what they are doing to subdue the masses. This below response was in regards to a user who claims that their agenda was to promote 'atheism':

You only perceive that they push 'atheism' because you want to feel persecuted for your beliefs so you can affirm them in your own mind. Why does the judicial system still make people to place their hand on a bible and swear to tell the truth before they testify? Why did/do all children in public schools have to recite the pledge of allegiance in school and affirm that we are "one nation, UNDER GOD"??? Why is our currency still stamped with 'in God We Trust'??? Because they love to promote atheism right?

Do you know why they send out mixed messages as part of their agenda? To keep the masses DIVIDED - and you fall for it! You've determined they are promoting atheism so now it keeps your faith strong in your religion. Those who identify with atheism will see the aforementioned things I highlighted above and believe that the agenda is to push 'God'/monotheism on the masses, and they will feel persecuted and adhere to their atheism.... It's all part of the social engineering to keep the common man divided and pitting against one another....If they only promoted ONE RELIGION then everyone would shed their differences and embrace unity - THEY DON'T WANT THAT. There is strength in numbers. They do not want homogeny - they want division, separatism, disharmony, discord, racial/gender tension, etc.... They will continue to send mixed messages to keep the masses polarized in their 'belief systems'. As long as you continue to perceive the world through the filter of that which separates or divides you from your fellow man - then you are still playing their game and feeding the system of control that has kept the masses subdued for thousands of years. Divide and conquer.
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I did that years ago but i still like to fuck bitchez and put drank in my cup.
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Seriously, everything happening right now was written about 4, 000 years ago and it's all comming into frutition exactly. War with Syria. Russia and other arab countries attacking Israel, Israel rebuilding the temple mount. Economic collapse, before you even knew the words "New World Order" it was written in the bible thousands of years ago about a one world government with a cashless monitored society.

Feel free to post verses from the bible that refer to Syria Gog and Magog Armagedeon as I am typing on my phone and its hard to write them.

To use the excuse that the leaders are following the bible exactly to somehow decieve the people makes no sense.

Do you honestly believe that the whole world nations and powers can be controlled in such a way, to follow something exactly to the dot? We can barley agree on simple things yet alone coordinate on that large of scale with countries like Iran, Syria, China, Russia or any other country for that matter.

Everything written in the bible about prophecy is happening exactly as written which proves the existence that an all knowing god wrote it, and the bible is true.

Meaning the part about ETERNAL life is also true. Gods promise and free gift is still alive today for everyone who chooses to accept it.

God came down from heaven in human form as Jesus and sacrificed himself and was slaughtered like an animal as a sacrifice for our sins.

That if we believe that he died for us, all of our sins are forgiven present and future and we will stand righteous before god and have everlasting life.

Not follow one thousand rules and if you mess up, or if you dont meditate properly you are doomed. Only pure love whould make it so easy and simple to live forever, just believe thats it.

If you have never known Jesus or had a personal relationship with him, or if you had at some point but never truly comitted your soul to him.

Today where ever you are in the world. You can pray this silently with no one even knowing.

Dear god lord Jesus, I believe that when you were crucified on the cross, you did it as a sacrifice for my Sins. I confess my sins before you and i know you will forgive them. I believe that you were raised from the dead. I want you to be my personal lord and my savior I want to have a personal loving relationship with you. In Jesus name amen.

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God came down from heaven in human form as Jesus and sacrificed himself and was slaughtered like an animal as a sacrifice for our sins.

That if we believe that he died for us, all of our sins are forgiven present and future and we will stand righteous before god and have everlasting life.


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What you're saying is that believing that 'Jesus' somehow died for your sins, and thus forgiving you for (and absolving you of) them, you are free to sin all you want and still get to go to heaven.

Meanwhile, the non-believers can lead sin-free lives, and they're going to hell anyway.

Not to mention that none of us were around when this sacrifice allegedly took place...ergo this alleged 'Jesus' character didn't do a damn thing for you, me, or anyone else born in the last ~2000 years.

That's one seriously fucked-up system, and I want no parts of it.
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How can you NOT believe in (choose you god from list below) and turning your life over to them?

Agdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu
An
Anahita
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu
Aphrodite
Apollo
Apsu
Ares
Artemis
Asclepius
Athena
Athirat
Athtart
Atlas
Baal
Ba Xian
Bacchus
Balder
Bast
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Bixia Yuanjin
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Camaxtli
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Chang Hsi See Heng-O.
Charun
Chemosh
Cheng-huang
Cybele
Dagon
Damkina
Davlin
Dawn
Demeter
Diana
Di Cang
Dionysus
Ea
El
Enki
Enlil
Eos
Epona
Ereskigal
Farbauti
Fenrir
Forseti
Fortuna
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Guanyin
Hades
Hanuman
Hathor
Hecate
Helios
Heng-o
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hestia
Hod
Hoderi
Hoori
Horus
Hotei
Huitzilopochtli
Hsi-Wang-Mu
Hygeia
Inanna
Inti
Iris
Ishtar
Isis
Ixtab
Izanaki
Izanami
Janus
Jesus
Juno
Jupiter
Juturna
Kagutsuchi
Kartikeya
Khepri
Ki
Kingu
Kinich Ahau
Kishar
Krishna
Kuan-yin
Kukulcan
Kvasir
Lakshmi
Leto
Liza
Loki
Lugh
Luna
Magna Mater
Maia
Marduk
Mars
Mazu
Medb
Mercury
Mimir
Min
Minerva
Mithras
Morrigan
Mot
Mummu
Muses
Nammu
Nanna
Nanna
Nanse
Neith
Nemesis
Nephthys
Neptune
Nergal
Ninazu
Ninhurzag
Nintu
Ninurta
Njord
Nugua
Nut
Odin
Ohkuninushi
Ohyamatsumi
Orgelmir
Osiris
Ostara
Pan
Parvati
Phaethon
Phoebe
Phoebus Apollo
Pilumnus
Poseidon
Quetzalcoatl
Rama
Rhea
Sabazius
Sarapis
Sarasvati
Selene
Shiva
Seshat
Seti
Shamash
Shapsu
Shen Yi
Shiva
Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
Sin
Sirona
Sol
Surya
Susanoh
Tawaret
Tefnut
Tezcatlipoca
Thanatos
Thor
Thoth
Tiamat
Tianhou
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tyche
Tyr
Utu
Ullr
Uzume
Vediovis
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Xipe
Xi Wang-mu
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Yam
Yarikh
Yhwh
Ymir
Yu-huang
Yum Kimil
Zeus
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And those false gods are all dead and gone, trampled underfoot by the true Creator, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The latest false god is Darwin's. That idol will be smashed as well.

Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. Absolutely the Beginning and the End.
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Gosh, OP, I guess it's pretty similar to not believing in a Ponzi scheme, pyramid scam or any other similar mass marketing gimmick, and turning one's life over to an ethereal stranger.
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God sacrificed himself to himself to appease his anger at us for being sinful, exactly the way he made us. He could have made us sinless at birth but chose to give us our own free will. Now if we can't believe in crazy stories, like this blood sacrifice one, and use our free will to believe in reality, this same God has chosen to create a place of eternal torture for us. So he will burn his beloved creations alive forever because we can't believe in this story. And even though God knows everything that will happen from the very start, we are still supposed to believe we have free will, even though it makes no sense. WOW, that really is amazing grace!!!
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The story is historical nothing crazy about it. Him knowing everything doesnt change your free will. If I know what your going to do tomorrow doesnt not impact your free will at all.

You burn yourself your the one who chooses with your own free will to believ or not, your decision leads you there. He tries everything in his power to not lead you there.

Lastly, he created us, we are sinful scumbags so he has every right to destroy every single one of us. His love shows that he gives us an option to be saved, and option that no one person on earth deserves.

If I drew something and didnt like the way it turned out I would destroy it and remake it. God on the other hand being loving sacrificed himself to not destroy us.

Yes he knew that we would be sinners, he actually made us without sin, but we chose it. End of the day he knew we would all sin, and he still created us because he knew some of us would still be saved.

Instead of not creating us at all, he decided too so a few can be created even if the rest destroy themselves.
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Thread: "FREE will" is a MYTH and always has been. But it sells books. Hell is big business.

Thread: is it really free will

Thread: But..GOD PLANNED hell..HE WANTS to torture most of your forever.

Thread: What is it with CHRISTIANS and their worship of HELL??

Thread: THIS is why people get turned off God and christians. How they are sickened by religion.
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don't look now, but your god is dead and gone too bwahhahahahah
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he told everyone that he was NOT the Messiah or their "savior" ... his mission here, was to convince you that DEATH is not real ... that there is no "reward or punishment" in an AFTER life, because there isn't any after-life .... LIFE IS ETERNAL

but Noooooo the humans wanted a Savior - so that's what they turned him into - even after he returned from Death

he isn't coming back - what would be the point - you are perfectly capable of saving yourself ... and the truth will set you free from religion
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Yes he isnt coming back thats why when he left he said im coming back lmao.
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don't look now, but your god is dead and gone too bwahhahahahah
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My god is a living god, Jesus rose from the dead and is alive.
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God came down from heaven in human form as Jesus and sacrificed himself and was slaughtered like an animal as a sacrifice for our sins.

That if we believe that he died for us, all of our sins are forgiven present and future and we will stand righteous before god and have everlasting life.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45341679


What you're saying is that believing that 'Jesus' somehow died for your sins, and thus forgiving you for (and absolving you of) them, you are free to sin all you want and still get to go to heaven.

Meanwhile, the non-believers can lead sin-free lives, and they're going to hell anyway.

Not to mention that none of us were around when this sacrifice allegedly took place...ergo this alleged 'Jesus' character didn't do a damn thing for you, me, or anyone else born in the last ~2000 years.

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Those in Christ may stumble in Sin, but honestly if you continue to willfully live a sinful lifestyle, then you are probably not saved in Christ. The Blood of Christ convicts you of sin and makes you fight against it. Turning over to sin can draw you away from the truth. One of the main topics in the Bible is to help the church fight against this behavior.

As for before Jesus' sacrifice, there was a system of baptism in place, and also the Mosaic Law. God is perfect Justice. It's safe to say he has provided a way for the Righteous to come to salvation in all times and places.

But if you have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, and rejected it, then you have no excuse.

And Romans 1:20 tells us that you have no excuse to deny God's existence in the first place. "I believed in Evolution!" is not going to help you during the judgement, because you know deep-down by the creation that evolution is a lie.
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Meaning the part about ETERNAL life is also true. Gods promise and free gift is still alive today for everyone who chooses to accept it.

God came down from heaven in human form as Jesus and sacrificed himself and was slaughtered like an animal as a sacrifice for our sins.

That if we believe that he died for us, all of our sins are forgiven present and future and we will stand righteous before god and have everlasting life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45341679


I reject this 'free gift' created by RELIGION because I will never celebrate human sacrifice and I know that all individuals will be accountable for their actions and the energy they created during their lifetimes. That is divine justice. There is no bypassing Universal Law with the religion(s) of men.

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And those false gods are all dead and gone, trampled underfoot by the true Creator, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The latest false god is Darwin's. That idol will be smashed as well.

Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. Absolutely the Beginning and the End.

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Not all of them.

Nice use of BOLD text - did god suggest that? Did the spirit move you to use bold text?

Is your posting here "doing god's work?"

Are you a WARRIOR in christ's army?

What self-appointed title do you choose to make yourself feel better?

Doesn't your own bible mention how useless it is to argue with people about god?

Why the need to beat folks over the head with your religion - is that how you lay up treasures in heaven? (If so I bet you got a BIG OL' PILE-O-TREASURE waiting for you!)
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Seriously, everything happening right now was written about 4, 000 years ago and it's all comming into frutition exactly. War with Syria. Russia and other arab countries attacking Israel, Israel rebuilding the temple mount. Economic collapse, before you even knew the words "New World Order" it was written in the bible thousands of years ago about a one world government with a cashless monitored society.

Feel free to post verses from the bible that refer to Syria Gog and Magog Armagedeon as I am typing on my phone and its hard to write them.

To use the excuse that the leaders are following the bible exactly to somehow decieve the people makes no sense.

Do you honestly believe that the whole world nations and powers can be controlled in such a way, to follow something exactly to the dot? We can barley agree on simple things yet alone coordinate on that large of scale with countries like Iran, Syria, China, Russia or any other country for that matter.

Everything written in the bible about prophecy is happening exactly as written which proves the existence that an all knowing god wrote it, and the bible is true.

Meaning the part about ETERNAL life is also true. Gods promise and free gift is still alive today for everyone who chooses to accept it.

God came down from heaven in human form as Jesus and sacrificed himself and was slaughtered like an animal as a sacrifice for our sins.

That if we believe that he died for us, all of our sins are forgiven present and future and we will stand righteous before god and have everlasting life.

Not follow one thousand rules and if you mess up, or if you dont meditate properly you are doomed. Only pure love whould make it so easy and simple to live forever, just believe thats it.

If you have never known Jesus or had a personal relationship with him, or if you had at some point but never truly comitted your soul to him.

Today where ever you are in the world. You can pray this silently with no one even knowing.

Dear god lord Jesus, I believe that when you were crucified on the cross, you did it as a sacrifice for my Sins. I confess my sins before you and i know you will forgive them. I believe that you were raised from the dead. I want you to be my personal lord and my savior I want to have a personal loving relationship with you. In Jesus name amen.

If you prayed the above sincirely with all your heart and soul, you are forever saved. God says nobody can snatch you from his hand once you are in it. Of course we will sin and fall again just like we all do everyday, but our sins will be forgiven and god will truly change our lives.

A little bit about me. I was an athiest born a muslim, practiced new age. And one day when I felt real empty probably still high from weed. I got down on my knees and prayed from the bottom of my heart and soul with tears flowing down my face, sobbing, and prayed: God please show me the real you, I want to know who you really are, weather you are allah, buddah, jaweah or whoever, I want to know the creator of all the universe.

I also prayed for my perfect soul mate, no such thing but the best person for me, and for $6, 000 to buy a taxi car so I could work. Immediately the next day or two I spoke to this girl online and we both got an undescribable feeling that we were meant to be together forever, this connectedness thats undescribable. We have now been 8 years together.

Secondly, one of my penny stocks which for the last 3-4 years was worthless all of a sudden went up 10, 000% in one day and was worth $6, 000. Out of the millions of penny stocks out there a company chose this one to do a reverse merger.

Also, when me amd my current fiance spoke online some weird things happened. One time we flipped coins to see if we were meant to be together. We basically ended up flipping 5 seperate times and 5 times ina row and we kept getting the same outcomes! The chances of this happening are Iimpossible or a probability that it would never happen in thousands of life times.

Lastly, in msn messenger you can send messages and the person would recieve them when they signed on. I sent her about 11 messages, and she got all of them besides one when she signed on.

When I mentioned Jesus name talking about something, I wrote something about it, then the next line I wrote to Jesus

All of a sudden she got the missing message which said "I LOVE YOU"

I will end with this and I pray that god will save many souls and that you truly get to experience the love of Jesus the creator of the universe in your own lives.

Take Care
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I refuse to be affiliated with any religion, but if I were to, why would I go to a religion they centers around male worship, human and animal sacrifice, and tells its followers that they are BORN as unworthy pieces of garbage and will continue to be unless they accept a MAN who cannot even be seen or proven to exist? It would piss me off knowing that while I am on earth suffering, my alleged "creator" is up safe in the clouds surrounded by peace WATCHING me do so, and refuses to intervene unless I get on my knees and start begging. WTF? I'm supposed to worship some being who allegedly saved humanity from his own wrath because he was too stupid to just create a peaceful race of humans? Makes no sense whatsoever. And if your god wants more people to follow his alleged word, then maybe he should show some damn proof of "his" existance rather than playing hide n go seek. Do you see how large the universe is? You think we only get to see earth and then we are done?

By the way, your bible was written by the exact same people who are ruling this planet. They knew what would happen in the future because they are the ones creating it.
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Those in Christ may stumble in Sin, but honestly if you continue to willfully live a sinful lifestyle, then you are probably not saved in Christ. The Blood of Christ convicts you of sin and makes you fight against it. Turning over to sin can draw you away from the truth. One of the main topics in the Bible is to help the church fight against this behavior.

As for before Jesus' sacrifice, there was a system of baptism in place, and also the Mosaic Law. God is perfect Justice. It's safe to say he has provided a way for the Righteous to come to salvation in all times and places.

But if you have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, and rejected it, then you have no excuse.

And Romans 1:20 tells us that you have no excuse to deny God's existence in the first place. "I believed in Evolution!" is not going to help you during the judgement, because you know deep-down by the creation that evolution is a lie.
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I've heard the gospel of jesus christ...it was told by a bunch of guys who liked to insert their penises into the anuses of little boys. Credibility problem.

I've also heard the gospel of jesus christ from the same people who told me about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. Credibility problem.

I've heard the gospel from guys on tv who accept cash, personal checks, and credit cards. Credibility problem.

See a trend yet? I could continue, but only if I truly must do so.


There is also not a SINGLE SHRED OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that even suggests that 'jesus' ever existed, let alone was god on earth.

The gospel was written decades (possibly even centuries) after its protagonist allegedly lived. No first-hand witnesses. All hearsay....and contradictory hearsay at that.

Why would anyone with any degree of common sense and reason believe such an absurd myth?
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OP,

Too bad you aren't an Ezekiel 36 Born-Again. If you were, you would KNOW that your post is full of confusion and shows your own failure to surrender self Unto God...

Jesus Witnesses in John 3:7 "Marvel not that I say unto you, Ye Must Be Born-Again!"

Turning your life over to Christ is not the same thing. In fact, Jesus doesn't want your life. HE Gave HIS Life To Enable you to Come Unto The Father and give your life to The Father.

In Ezekiel 36:26-27, we have the Old Testament Witness of The Born-Again Life:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jesus Witnesses this in John ch 17, HIS Prayer To The Father For The Remnant:
6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Jesus IS The WAY Unto The Father,
HIS Sacrifice Was To Enable YOU to Come Into Father's Presence and Remove The Stain of sin so Father Could Receive your surrender.

The Father Wants To KNOW you Personally and Directly.


Until you can Trust HIM with every aspect of your life and tell him so, you might think you know what God is doing; but such is not the case.


You are Laodicean, as are most Christians; and as such you/they are unwilling to Trust God Fully and make their Leap Of Faith.

Jesus Serves The Father's Will.
HE Only KNOWS those who have Been Enabled To Do HIS Father's Will.

Have you read John ch 17?
Does it describe your life?
Are you "dead to the world", Alive IN-HIM and living In Accord With The Father?
Do you realize that none can Come Unto The Father out of fear, but rather only from Love and Trusting Surrender?

Might be time for you to reflect on your situation and whether or not you've ever Been In Father-God's Presence and Given HIM your all? Unless you have and Know every aspect of your experience perhaps you are merely accepting the Laodicean false teachings and need to make your own Leap Of Faith???
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God sacrificed himself to himself to appease his anger at us for being sinful, exactly the way he made us. He could have made us sinless at birth but chose to give us our own free will. Now if we can't believe in crazy stories, like this blood sacrifice one, and use our free will to believe in reality, this same God has chosen to create a place of eternal torture for us. So he will burn his beloved creations alive forever because we can't believe in this story. And even though God knows everything that will happen from the very start, we are still supposed to believe we have free will, even though it makes no sense. WOW, that really is amazing grace!!!
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The story is historical nothing crazy about it. Him knowing everything doesnt change your free will. If I know what your going to do tomorrow doesnt not impact your free will at all.

You burn yourself your the one who chooses with your own free will to believ or not, your decision leads you there. He tries everything in his power to not lead you there.

Lastly, he created us, we are sinful scumbags so he has every right to destroy every single one of us. His love shows that he gives us an option to be saved, and option that no one person on earth deserves.

If I drew something and didnt like the way it turned out I would destroy it and remake it. God on the other hand being loving sacrificed himself to not destroy us.

Yes he knew that we would be sinners, he actually made us without sin, but we chose it. End of the day he knew we would all sin, and he still created us because he knew some of us would still be saved.

Instead of not creating us at all, he decided too so a few can be created even if the rest destroy themselves.
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Thread: "FREE will" is a MYTH and always has been. But it sells books. Hell is big business.

Thread: is it really free will

Thread: But..GOD PLANNED hell..HE WANTS to torture most of your forever.

Thread: What is it with CHRISTIANS and their worship of HELL??

Thread: THIS is why people get turned off God and christians. How they are sickened by religion.
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Its said that no one can confess Jesus as Lord except by the Holy Spirit and that no one can have the holy spirit unless they have repented.

So when every creaturein heaven and earth are all there in front of the throne confessing Jesus as lord according to scripture it means they MUST have all repented at some point..otherwise they could NOT make that confession.

And more to the point its said they would confess it to the GLORY of God the father.

If its a confessioned wrung out og them by hell torture that does not give the Father much glory now does it?

If that was thecase he is no better than a dictator forcing people to bow on pain of death.

We on earth hate people that do that and call them evil yet christians are convinced that God does the same to billions and is called "Good"?

I dont see their logic.
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And those false gods are all dead and gone, trampled underfoot by the true Creator, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The latest false god is Darwin's. That idol will be smashed as well.

Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. Absolutely the Beginning and the End.

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Not all of them.

Nice use of BOLD text - did god suggest that? Did the spirit move you to use bold text?

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I thought my bold witness of the true God complemented your list of pagan failures nicely.

You do realize that brilliant scientists all over the world are creationists because of the successful scientific predictions made by the Bible, right?

Sorry pal, your not dealing with another religious myth like Zeus or Darwinism.

This world WAS created. And that Creator provided us with an instruction manual called the Bible. Simple. End of Story.

Surrender to Jesus Christ.
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Surrender to Jesus Christ.
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Kneel before Zod.
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There is also not a SINGLE SHRED OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that even suggests that 'jesus' ever existed, let alone was god on earth.
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Wow, that's a new level of willful delusion and denial.

Not even the most committed atheist preachers would make that claim.


Jesus Christ as a real person is one of the most strongly supported figures in all of history.

[link to thedevineevidence.com]
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>in his own words
>from his own lips

you people are mind-bogglingly dim-witted.

There is no evidence that Jesus spoke english or wrote any books, and I'm sure as hell no going to take anyone's word for it. Anyone with half a brain would agree.
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Wow, that's a new level of willful delusion and denial.

Not even the most committed atheist preachers would make that claim.


Jesus Christ as a real person is one of the most strongly supported figures in all of history.

[link to thedevineevidence.com]
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There's ZERO evidence.

There was no 'Jesus'. It's all a fairy tale.

jesusneverexisted.com

Why are you so afraid of the truth? Why do you deny the nonexistance of 'Jesus'?

Why are you unaware that the Jesus character is nothing more than an amalgamation of many other fictitious gods who came before?
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You're story is almost the opposite of mine. I was born and raised a Christian. As I became an adult I began to question the reality of it all. Then, I finally got to point where I said a prayer...something like..."God, if you're out there give me a sign. I'll drop everything and champion for you. Just give me a sign. I want to do what is right. If you're truly out there and truly care, I know you will some day show me" Never got a thing. Years later, I became an atheist. It made sense to me that we're born, we live, we die and that's it. I was okay with that. I still practiced the Golden Rule just because it's a decent way to live. Then, at the age of 58 I had a heart attack and flat lined 3 times. My spirit/consciousness/essence was in a wonderful place. I sensed a dimension to myself that I'd never sensed before. What little information I got (that I remember) from that place came from within. No God, no Jesus, no judgement...only enlightenment. A presence there, but not God or Jesus as we've been taught.
What I got from this is it's not what you believe (or don't believe)...it's what's inside that's important. Practice the Golden Rule and look within yourself for love and understanding. (That's what Jesus meant when he said "the Kingdom is within...yes, there are a few truths in the Bible). When you do you will discover the importance of unconditional love and how it works. You will understand why people do the things they do and you will forgive them...no matter what it is they've done. You will forgive yourself because you know your ego and spirit are two different entities (it's like getting in a car and driving it. You have control of it...what are you going to do with it?). What happens in this life stays in this life and when the spirit leaves it's physical form it will come to know the value of unconditional love. That why some NDErs see God/Jesus...some don't. It's kind of a review of where you're consciousness was in this life.
I'm going to hear "oh, that's new age stuff" and negative comments like that. Well, that's okay. I don't care if you don't believe me...that's not important. But please follow the Golden Rule. It's okay to say "I don't believe you" but it's not okay to hate someone. Religion does that (especially the Abrahamic religions). They actually tend to sever the spirit from it's source. But if you feel you need religion and if your religion causes you practice unconditional love that's fine.
The bible is written by men, as are all religious texts. If any of them lead you to unconditional love, then that's good. When any of them lead to vanity, intolerance, or hate...that's bad. And indeed they do...especially the Abrahamic ones.
Peace and love to you.
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applause

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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Seriously, everything happening right now was written about 4, 000 years ago and it's all comming into frutition exactly. War with Syria. Russia and other arab countries attacking Israel, Israel rebuilding the temple mount. Economic collapse, before you even knew the words "New World Order" it was written in the bible thousands of years ago about a one world government with a cashless monitored society.

Feel free to post verses from the bible that refer to Syria Gog and Magog Armagedeon as I am typing on my phone and its hard to write them.

To use the excuse that the leaders are following the bible exactly to somehow decieve the people makes no sense.

Do you honestly believe that the whole world nations and powers can be controlled in such a way, to follow something exactly to the dot? We can barley agree on simple things yet alone coordinate on that large of scale with countries like Iran, Syria, China, Russia or any other country for that matter.

Everything written in the bible about prophecy is happening exactly as written which proves the existence that an all knowing god wrote it, and the bible is true.

Meaning the part about ETERNAL life is also true. Gods promise and free gift is still alive today for everyone who chooses to accept it.

God came down from heaven in human form as Jesus and sacrificed himself and was slaughtered like an animal as a sacrifice for our sins.

That if we believe that he died for us, all of our sins are forgiven present and future and we will stand righteous before god and have everlasting life.

Not follow one thousand rules and if you mess up, or if you dont meditate properly you are doomed. Only pure love whould make it so easy and simple to live forever, just believe thats it.

If you have never known Jesus or had a personal relationship with him, or if you had at some point but never truly comitted your soul to him.

Today where ever you are in the world. You can pray this silently with no one even knowing.

Dear god lord Jesus, I believe that when you were crucified on the cross, you did it as a sacrifice for my Sins. I confess my sins before you and i know you will forgive them. I believe that you were raised from the dead. I want you to be my personal lord and my savior I want to have a personal loving relationship with you. In Jesus name amen.

If you prayed the above sincirely with all your heart and soul, you are forever saved. God says nobody can snatch you from his hand once you are in it. Of course we will sin and fall again just like we all do everyday, but our sins will be forgiven and god will truly change our lives.

A little bit about me. I was an athiest born a muslim, practiced new age. And one day when I felt real empty probably still high from weed. I got down on my knees and prayed from the bottom of my heart and soul with tears flowing down my face, sobbing, and prayed: God please show me the real you, I want to know who you really are, weather you are allah, buddah, jaweah or whoever, I want to know the creator of all the universe.

I also prayed for my perfect soul mate, no such thing but the best person for me, and for $6, 000 to buy a taxi car so I could work. Immediately the next day or two I spoke to this girl online and we both got an undescribable feeling that we were meant to be together forever, this connectedness thats undescribable. We have now been 8 years together.

Secondly, one of my penny stocks which for the last 3-4 years was worthless all of a sudden went up 10, 000% in one day and was worth $6, 000. Out of the millions of penny stocks out there a company chose this one to do a reverse merger.

Also, when me amd my current fiance spoke online some weird things happened. One time we flipped coins to see if we were meant to be together. We basically ended up flipping 5 seperate times and 5 times ina row and we kept getting the same outcomes! The chances of this happening are Iimpossible or a probability that it would never happen in thousands of life times.

Lastly, in msn messenger you can send messages and the person would recieve them when they signed on. I sent her about 11 messages, and she got all of them besides one when she signed on.

When I mentioned Jesus name talking about something, I wrote something about it, then the next line I wrote to Jesus

All of a sudden she got the missing message which said "I LOVE YOU"

I will end with this and I pray that god will save many souls and that you truly get to experience the love of Jesus the creator of the universe in your own lives.

Take Care
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You're story is almost the opposite of mine. I was born and raised a Christian. As I became an adult I began to question the reality of it all. Then, I finally got to point where I said a prayer...something like..."God, if you're out there give me a sign. I'll drop everything and champion for you. Just give me a sign. I want to do what is right. If you're truly out there and truly care, I know you will some day show me" Never got a thing. Years later, I became an atheist. It made sense to me that we're born, we live, we die and that's it. I was okay with that. I still practiced the Golden Rule just because it's a decent way to live. Then, at the age of 58 I had a heart attack and flat lined 3 times. My spirit/consciousness/essence was in a wonderful place. I sensed a dimension to myself that I'd never sensed before. What little information I got (that I remember) from that place came from within. No God, no Jesus, no judgement...only enlightenment. A presence there, but not God or Jesus as we've been taught.
What I got from this is it's not what you believe (or don't believe)...it's what's inside that's important. Practice the Golden Rule and look within yourself for love and understanding. (That's what Jesus meant when he said "the Kingdom is within...yes, there are a few truths in the Bible). When you do you will discover the importance of unconditional love and how it works. You will understand why people do the things they do and you will forgive them...no matter what it is they've done. You will forgive yourself because you know your ego and spirit are two different entities (it's like getting in a car and driving it. You have control of it...what are you going to do with it?). What happens in this life stays in this life and when the spirit leaves it's physical form it will come to know the value of unconditional love. That why some NDErs see God/Jesus...some don't. It's kind of a review of where you're consciousness was in this life.
I'm going to hear "oh, that's new age stuff" and negative comments like that. Well, that's okay. I don't care if you don't believe me...that's not important. But please follow the Golden Rule. It's okay to say "I don't believe you" but it's not okay to hate someone. Religion does that (especially the Abrahamic religions). They actually tend to sever the spirit from it's source. But if you feel you need religion and if your religion causes you practice unconditional love that's fine.
The bible is written by men, as are all religious texts. If any of them lead you to unconditional love, then that's good. When any of them lead to vanity, intolerance, or hate...that's bad. And indeed they do...especially the Abrahamic ones.
Peace and love to you.
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That's a cool story, but the heart can be decieving. Just because you were there when you flatlined a few times doesnt mean what you experienced was your final place where you will go.

Also, majority of NDE experiences have a very common vision of seeing black and white light, maybe what you experienced was a hallucination and not a NDE or actual physical death.

There are stories of people being dead for 10-20min or so. There was a lady non religioud never heard about Jesus or god. Drowned on a rapids trip for 20min or so, saw Jesus, told her it wasnt her time, told her that her son was going to die and she needed to tell people about it. Years later her son died exactly as said and she wrote a book about it.

The fact that people that are non religious who see anything resembling god almost all of them see Jesus, should be a pretty big sign who the right guy is.
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Well, you're searching for that loophole to enforce what you believe. There's no loophole...there's only the truth in unconditional love. Contemplating with your beliefs in mind serves no purpose. Don't worry about me and what I've said...just please follow that Golden Rule.
Peace and love to you.
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Those in Christ may stumble in Sin, but honestly if you continue to willfully live a sinful lifestyle, then you are probably not saved in Christ. The Blood of Christ convicts you of sin and makes you fight against it. Turning over to sin can draw you away from the truth. One of the main topics in the Bible is to help the church fight against this behavior.

As for before Jesus' sacrifice, there was a system of baptism in place, and also the Mosaic Law. God is perfect Justice. It's safe to say he has provided a way for the Righteous to come to salvation in all times and places.

But if you have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, and rejected it, then you have no excuse.

And Romans 1:20 tells us that you have no excuse to deny God's existence in the first place. "I believed in Evolution!" is not going to help you during the judgement, because you know deep-down by the creation that evolution is a lie.
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I've heard the gospel of jesus christ...it was told by a bunch of guys who liked to insert their penises into the anuses of little boys. Credibility problem.

I've also heard the gospel of jesus christ from the same people who told me about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. Credibility problem.

I've heard the gospel from guys on tv who accept cash, personal checks, and credit cards. Credibility problem.

See a trend yet? I could continue, but only if I truly must do so.


There is also not a SINGLE SHRED OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that even suggests that 'jesus' ever existed, let alone was god on earth.

The gospel was written decades (possibly even centuries) after its protagonist allegedly lived. No first-hand witnesses. All hearsay....and contradictory hearsay at that.

Why would anyone with any degree of common sense and reason believe such an absurd myth?
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^ THIS ^

honestly why would anyone with any common sense believe that the "god of this world" has our best interest in mind, when all the evidence point to the fact that he doesn't give a rats ass about what happens to humanity ...

the more you pray - the worse things get - please stop ... you CAN NOT PETITION the LORD ... it pisses him off
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when are you going to get it ...

if you believe Jesus - then you believe that LIFE IS ETERNAL

so there is no "AFTER-LIFE" because live goes on and on and on

there is no reward for being good or punishment for being bad ... we are all good and bad ...duh - we are all EQUAL in the eyes of GOd - according to your Bible

why would god give us Free Will and then punish us for using it ?

and how did you miss the fact that it was organized religion that supposedly killed Jesus ? and that he opposed religion

why do you believe that you have to join a religion to worship God ... or to keep the golden rule

wake up - religion is for the weak and feeble minded individual that thinks they need "help" ... it was created to control the masses
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when are you going to get it ...

if you believe Jesus - then you believe that LIFE IS ETERNAL

so there is no "AFTER-LIFE" because live goes on and on and on

there is no reward for being good or punishment for being bad ... we are all good and bad ...duh - we are all EQUAL in the eyes of GOd - according to your Bible

why would god give us Free Will and then punish us for using it ?

and how did you miss the fact that it was organized religion that supposedly killed Jesus ? and that he opposed religion

why do you believe that you have to join a religion to worship God ... or to keep the golden rule

wake up - religion is for the weak and feeble minded individual that thinks they need "help" ... it was created to control the masses
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I don't join a religion I join the living god jesus christ. Everything you mention is exactly the opposite of what Jesus says. Go fix your brain. Yes religion was created to control the masses.

Is that why christianity is attacked all day and never preached? Why would they noy use the tool of christianity that they created? Yet institutionalized religions preach the opposite of what the bible says.

Yes love everyone on earth as yourself, that will control us and enslave us lmao.

The stupidity of people is amazing haha.
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How can you NOT believe in (choose you god from list below) and turning your life over to them?

Agdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu
An
Anahita
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu
Aphrodite
Apollo
Apsu
Ares
Artemis
Asclepius
Athena
Athirat
Athtart
Atlas
Baal
Ba Xian
Bacchus
Balder
Bast
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Bixia Yuanjin
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Camaxtli
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Chang Hsi See Heng-O.
Charun
Chemosh
Cheng-huang
Cybele
Dagon
Damkina
Davlin
Dawn
Demeter
Diana
Di Cang
Dionysus
Ea
El
Enki
Enlil
Eos
Epona
Ereskigal
Farbauti
Fenrir
Forseti
Fortuna
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Guanyin
Hades
Hanuman
Hathor
Hecate
Helios
Heng-o
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hestia
Hod
Hoderi
Hoori
Horus
Hotei
Huitzilopochtli
Hsi-Wang-Mu
Hygeia
Inanna
Inti
Iris
Ishtar
Isis
Ixtab
Izanaki
Izanami
Janus
Jesus
Juno
Jupiter
Juturna
Kagutsuchi
Kartikeya
Khepri
Ki
Kingu
Kinich Ahau
Kishar
Krishna
Kuan-yin
Kukulcan
Kvasir
Lakshmi
Leto
Liza
Loki
Lugh
Luna
Magna Mater
Maia
Marduk
Mars
Mazu
Medb
Mercury
Mimir
Min
Minerva
Mithras
Morrigan
Mot
Mummu
Muses
Nammu
Nanna
Nanna
Nanse
Neith
Nemesis
Nephthys
Neptune
Nergal
Ninazu
Ninhurzag
Nintu
Ninurta
Njord
Nugua
Nut
Odin
Ohkuninushi
Ohyamatsumi
Orgelmir
Osiris
Ostara
Pan
Parvati
Phaethon
Phoebe
Phoebus Apollo
Pilumnus
Poseidon
Quetzalcoatl
Rama
Rhea
Sabazius
Sarapis
Sarasvati
Selene
Shiva
Seshat
Seti
Shamash
Shapsu
Shen Yi
Shiva
Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
Sin
Sirona
Sol
Surya
Susanoh
Tawaret
Tefnut
Tezcatlipoca
Thanatos
Thor
Thoth
Tiamat
Tianhou
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tyche
Tyr
Utu
Ullr
Uzume
Vediovis
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Xipe
Xi Wang-mu
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Yam
Yarikh
Yhwh
Ymir
Yu-huang
Yum Kimil
Zeus
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Easy, they are all the product of fallen angels (many being the same entity but with different names in different cultures)---some are real, most are imagined, whereas Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is the Son of God and actually existed in history...
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when are you going to get it ...

if you believe Jesus - then you believe that LIFE IS ETERNAL

so there is no "AFTER-LIFE" because live goes on and on and on

there is no reward for being good or punishment for being bad ... we are all good and bad ...duh - we are all EQUAL in the eyes of GOd - according to your Bible

why would god give us Free Will and then punish us for using it ?

and how did you miss the fact that it was organized religion that supposedly killed Jesus ? and that he opposed religion

why do you believe that you have to join a religion to worship God ... or to keep the golden rule

wake up - religion is for the weak and feeble minded individual that thinks they need "help" ... it was created to control the masses
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"there is no reward for being good or punishment for being bad ... we are all good and bad ...duh - we are all EQUAL in the eyes of GOd - according to your Bible "

Proof that you have not read (or understood) the Bible although you do sound like a new age victim, alas...
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Why would I turn my life over to a psycho-path whom has never benefited to humanity? Your god is a lie just come to terms with it and stop being a brain washed shill. Honestly, if you had the least bit of intelligence you would just ignore your pedophile priests and come back to reality. Have a good day and prepare for war.whatever
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I don't join a religion I join the living god jesus christ.

Where is this jesus living at the moment? I want maps, photos, and driving directions.

I want irrefutable proof of this living Jesus. I want him to come to me and perform miracles in front of me to convince me that he really is a god.

After all these years, he refuses to show himself to me. Why does 'jesus' fear me? Why is he such a sniveling coward? Why does he select only the least credible and trustworthy people to preach about him, and yet expect us to buy the story?

Why, when 'god' decided to become an author, did he choose to write in Greek, and not learn the language better?

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