Warning: The DARK LORD has planted LIARS among the thousands of FALSE CHURCHES among you. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF WOLVES IN SHEEP SKIN COATS.

Not all scripture is the way, truth, and life. I was surprised to see some of the things that lies therein.

That you for this verse. You have blessed this thread with important information.


If anyone else has some scripture that would shed more light please post them. :)

It sounds like the moral of the story is that we need to do everything we can to stop sinning. Thanks for this, I made sure to write all this down to check later on.

Repent, stop, committing all sins that lead to death. Then God should come to help perfect you. With him all things are possible. A new heart. A new spirit.

Proverbs 26:15
A sluggard buries his hand in the dish; he is too lazy to bring it back to his mouth.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

Shouldn't repentance be one thing the people learn first?

Harbinger,

great thread! God bless you

Mark 6:12
They went out and preached that people should repent.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 5:32
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Luke 13:3
But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 26:20
First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.

Luke 15:7
I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.


Revelation 9:20-21
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.  Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

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Ain't that the truth!!!!

Are there any more questions that need to be addressed?

Any more lies in circulation that need to be exposed?

Imagine Freedom from spiritual enslavement. Tools to escape the traps of Satan. New eyes, new reality. Prayers strong enough to ask for anything within the will of God. Heal the sick the doctors cannot. Raise the dead they cannot save. God can be your sword and shield against your enemies. He sets you free from many burdens you see on the hearts and minds of men. He can feel you with joy, with love...happiness. Tranquillity.

He also gave you everything you see, smell, taste, touch, hear, and more. He created you. Is loyalty enough? Gratitude?

He is really awesome, you know? However, most do not love him enough to experience his greatness.



So many have no idea what he can do. They do not believe in..fairy tales.

Believe, and you will be a fairy tale..


Belief is a combination of faith and works. Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness.


How can I put this in worldly terms. This heavenly kingdom, this society is very very hard to get an initiation. God must recruit you himself. He chooses us. We do not choose him.

Imagine something like the MiB, men in black. Instead of "aliens" as the world may see them, imagine demons and a kingdom of darkness.

It's like a child growing up in a kingdom. As he admires the knights of the king he trains and trains and trains. Eventually the best of the best get recruited.


Once recruited, which is very rare, you literally become a fairy tale. Something most are unaware of..


You live a reality most have never lived or even understood.


In Christ...you are literally a new creation.

Imagine power in your voice alone. God created the earth in 6 days. He creates with a simple command!


Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:3
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.



Now, when you love God with all your mind, body, soul, and strength, he will put his spirit inside you. You become a holy temple in which he desires to be inside. God, the Father of lights, is the only immortal. So, with him inside you, you to, become immortal. But that's just one example of many for anything is possible for he that believes!


Okay, the power of the tongue can also work with speech. A simple thought in your heart alone can be heard by him. If he hears the desires of your heart he can make them come true. Because you love him, he shall love you even more. Please him, and he shall please you. Forsake him, and he shall forsake you.


If you are holy and he lives inside you, you can ask him for anything within his will and he will grant your desire...


However, most humans on the planet do not believe-in-him for he is not inside them. Many might believe he exist but that is not good enough. He is the power, the glory, the light. He must live inside you.


Most of these guys are liars..



If he lives inside you, you could ask him for many things.


You could ask him to raise the dead. Seriously..


You could ask him you bring rain and it could rain. You could rebuke a tornadoes threatening your city. You could rebuke your enemies. You could rebuke demons. The God Father has the power to protect you from anything, everything.

It's like a tank coming to blow your face off. Why not make a simple request? It's like praying that he turn off the power of the machine. Would the tank become immobile?

When some die, some have had holy bones. Remember, God lives inside. People could touch these bones and magical stuff would happen.

2 Kings 13:21
 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.


People can simply touch you and things could happen.

Luke 8:47
Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed.


Many things can be done.


2 Kings 2:8
Elijah took his cloak, rolled it up and struck the water with it. The water divided to the right and to the left, and the two of them crossed over on dry ground.

You are definitely passionate about your beliefs..
Good for you. I do read them, although may not agree however a bit shorter would be nice!!

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So, let us reason. Shall I persuade you? Is it possible to deduce you?


Imagine all the things God can do for you and yours. He blesses those who bless you. Curses those who curse you. All this and more.


What on this planet is not worth sacrificing? This kingdom called earth in which many are a citizen, is it not dying? Why not join a kingdom in the heavens above?

You cannot be a citizen in two seperate kingdoms. Choose your King!


I choose the king of kings.


Another thing, if the heavens are in space then would we be aliens if God was here first?

If you have truths that lead to your disagreements, prove them. Proof is proof and truth? The truth does not argue with the truth.

ok, first of all I am going by a limited knowledge at this point. Trying to be open as to what I may be missing.

My first problem is the bible was not written by god.
Bottom line. I think it was by 66 people over 400+ years from my limited research. That alone means it was written by men. We all know how good man is!!!

I am focusing on the energy of creation, what is it.
If there is a god, why does he let people twist and kill in his name. And if I am the minority and 85% of the people in this world who say they believe in god. Would it make sense that this would be a peaceful world.?? Instead I see people proclaim their faith, yet turn around the very next day and hurt this planet, fellow man etc..

Then they think they can go to church, repent and its all ok.
Just my thoughts.

If the holy spirit is inside someone and they begin to speak, think, or even write...God is there in spirit.

However, these bible translations, how many of them have the spirit?

Limited knowledge is not good enough to disagree when one doesn't know to know if they disagree or agree. If that makes sense.

God is not mocked. Imagine a sea full of fish and a line with bait. A mouse in a labyrinth. A kingdom and a king. A husband seeking a wife.

Okay, imagine that you cannot trust this fish, mouse, woman, or kingdom. They lie, cheat, steal, kill, or hate each other including you.

How would you fish them out? How would you know if their heart is with you or against you? There are many fisher my friend.


It's like a man walking into a church and starts getting people to mock and laugh at some celeb who did some sin. Well, they were just fished out and exposed to many many others we cannot see..

Everyone that does not truly have the holy spirit is a liar who lives a lie.


They are not fulfilling their purpose. Does the Creator not define the creation? When the creation no longer meets the standards it was made for..it is either repaired, destroyed, or something else..

There are many out there fishing. There are many types of bait.


It's like a spy sent out into the kingdom to mock, laugh, or persecuted the king. To get others to join in, to break laws. Then they report what was seen. What happens to those who have committed treason?


Many fishers...many many fishers.....

Ok, I agree with you..
so why does god not come and set a better course for those who sin?? Why has he let this world of liars, cheats, killers, destroyers continue...Yes this world is dying, because of us.

And the majority say they believe in god, yet they destroy his world..

Just Cant get my head around it..

Imagine a fish who betrays the other fish for some sort of benefit.



He goes out and gathers fish. Leads them into a dark tunnel. In this tunnel is a shark he made a deal with.




Out he goes to find more fish.

He did, we killed him.

ya ya, he died for our sins...but if he is god...he would see the peril we are in but is the absentee father so to speak.

I am enjoying this discussion by the way. I really am trying to understand as an atheist. I told my wife that I wish to seek what it is I am missing. Why am I so different. Why is it that I cannot see, even though I have tried..

Job 2:1
On another day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him.

Mark 1:12-13
At once the Spirit sent him out into the wilderness, and he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.

Matthew 13:38-40
The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,  and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.

Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

1 Peter 1:12
It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.




Hebrews 13:2
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.



Who or what is Satan, the devil? The dark lord? What is his purpose? What is his rank, title, or career so to speak?


Riddle me this. Riddle me that. Why is he not in jail?


Psalm 103:20
Praise the Lord, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word.

Job 4:17-19
 ‘Can a mortal be more righteous than God?
    Can even a strong man be more pure than his Maker?
 If God places no trust in his servants,
    if he charges his angels with error,
 how much more those who live in houses of clay,
    whose foundations are in the dust,
    who are crushed more readily than a moth!


Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

2 Peter 2:4-11
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority.
Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[d] the Lord.



Revelation 12:7-12
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”


Romans 8:37-39
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,  neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I do not know everything. I know nothing. I have posted examples and scripture but what absolutes do you see?


However, I am trying to speak in worldly terms to provide understanding of some sort. But Gods ways are higher than ours.



Let's say you are a king with a special kingdom. If one has chosen to be your enemy, to act like your enemies, would you open their eyes to see the magical road to your kingdom?

Please explain.

This really surprised me.


Genesis 19:5
They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

ok, ya...posting scripture does not help a beginner.



Let's say you are a king with a special kingdom. If one has chosen to be your enemy, to act like your enemies, would you open their eyes to see the magical road to your kingdom

ok, this makes some sense...

Q:But if he is my creator who loves me, why would he not open my eyes to his kingdom. I am by no means anyone's enemy or we would not be having this discussion.

I keep hoping he would come in my dreams and speak to me..
But nada. Nothing to this date makes me feel GOD.

I am curious...At what age did you come to know god. Was it later in life or taught to you at a young age??

I heard about Jesus when I was a child. Baptised because I was asked to do so. Was I serious? No way, I rebelled and hardly went to church, prayed, or even open the bible.


Around the end of 2010 I believe God rebuked me. Was soooo painful but I thank him for allowing whatever crushed me like that.


Then I started getting more serious and reading more and more because of...you guys. The sky, the dreams, the enemy..


I've become jealous of the worlds life as a whole within limits.

Your heart, your faith, your works..


2 Corinthians 13:8
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.