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So We Aren't Going to War. Great! But.....

 
Éireann
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So We Aren't Going to War. Great! But.....
I slept through Obama's speech last night if there even was one. I was exhausted after my trip to Waco and just couldn't stay awake for it nor did I have the energy to endure it.

So I wake up this morning, get my coffee, and sit down to check my email and the news and this is in my email box. It's from Congressman Alan Grayson. It reads like propaganda, but I'm used to that. What pissed me off is that there is no mention of Putin's accomplishment any where in the damn letter. They are taking all of the credit. Here is the letter for your perusal.

After three frenetic weeks, during which time Team Grayson was burning the midnight oil every night, it's time to take stock of what we've accomplished.

Here were the headlines in late August, just before we started our campaign against U.S. military intervention in Syria.

"Syria crisis: UK and US finalise plans for military strikes" - The Guardian, August 27.
"Syria strike due in days, West tells opposition - sources" - Reuters, August 27.
"Strike Against Syria is Imminent" - Reuters, August 27.
"Obama Will Bomb Syria" - Politico, August 26.
"U.S. military 'ready' to attack Syria, Hagel says" - CBS News, August 27.

And here are the headlines, now:

"Obama to explore diplomatic route on Syria," - Reuters, September 10.
"U.S. to Work Through U.N. on Syria Arms Proposal" - The New York Times, September 10.
"Obama Agrees To U.N. Discussion Of Putting Syria Chemical Weapons Under International Control" - Associated Press, September 10.
"Syria Will Sign Chemical Weapons Convention, Declare Arsenal, Foreign Ministry Says" - Reuters, September 10.

Let's go behind the headlines, to the numbers in Congress. Bloomberg News just came out with its own count of how every single member of the U.S. House and Senate would vote on war with Syria. In the U.S. Senate, which is institutionally designed to favor war and bailouts, the war vote is losing 34-22. That's shocking - the Senate is voting for peace?! In the U.S. House of Representatives, it's even better. House members oppose war by a 10-to-one margin. The Washington Post has it at 26 in favor, 251 against.

In other words, we are winning. Peace is winning.

How did this miracle happen?

To answer that question, look in the mirror.

You did this. Your calls and e-mails. Your pressure. The military industrial complex, the neoconservatives like Dick Cheney, the foreign policy corporate-funded think tanks in D.C., the warmongers at the State Department - they wanted war, but you wouldn't let them. We stood up for peace.

Now, what's interesting is not just that we averted military action (so far). It's also what has happened, because we averted military action. We showed that successful diplomacy, shunted aside just a week ago as irrelevant, is actually possible.

Think about this. We are on the verge of a solution that:
Removes chemical weapons from Syria, preventing another attack and putting them out of the reach of both the Assad regime and Al Qaeda,
Does not require the use of dangerous military force by the United States, Compels Syria to become a signer to the Chemical Weapons Convention, Restores the role of Congress in matters of war and peace, and Rejuvenates the United Nations as a platform for peace. This happened only because of our work. To his credit, President Obama listened. He listened to Congress, to the voices of allies around the world asking us to pause, and most importantly, to We the People of These United States. But you spoke, President Obama listened, and now peace may bloom.

Of course, we may still go to war - the war lobby is fierce and relentless. Even as we speak, warmongers in Congress are writing new war resolution language, thinking that if they tweak this word or that word, making it an itsy-bitsy, teensy-weensy war, it can pass. To that, we say, "a big, fat NO."

We have shown that Peace can be more powerful than War.

And hopefully, one day soon, we will not be arguing about where to direct our bombs. If you and I keep working together, we will be trying to figure out what to do with the fruits of peace - the Peace Dividend.

Courage,

Rep. Alan Grayson
 Quoting: Rep. Alan Grayson


I was like. Um. Ok. But?!!!!

Honorable Sir:

I would love to think that my letters and calls to both Congress and the Senate made a difference, however, it was Russian President Putin who came up with the idea that paved the way for peace. After he announced putting Syria's chemical weapon's, which used to be Iraq's chemical weapons, under UN control, our - President - kind of lost any credible reason for killing more innocent Syrians.

I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, but our President got bested by the President of another country plain and simple. President Obama has murdered any semblance of America as a super power. Impeach this clown before he gets us all killed!
 Quoting: My Reply to the Congressman

Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Éireann (OP)
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09/11/2013 11:43 AM

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It just amazes me.

They give a little credit for this "miracle of peace" to the people, some credit to themselves, and credit to Obama????

Uhhhh.

wtf
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
Master Jedi Powers

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09/11/2013 11:45 AM
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What the fuck? Obama is pouting like a little kid!
(GLP aka American Jedi)

Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth.
Kenny Powers

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Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum....

"The last of the old?"

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Éireann (OP)
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What the fuck? Obama is pouting like a little kid!
 Quoting: Master Jedi Powers

I need to google his speech from last night. But I think I'll drink my coffee in peace before doing so. I'm still not recovered from my road trip.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
Éireann (OP)
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09/11/2013 11:50 AM

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Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum
 Quoting: Master Jedi Powers

Bwahahahaha!

ilaugh

You slay me, Jedi. That is a great thing to have in a sig line.

Sorta roughly translated "Lots of fancy talk, very little wisdom."

Yep. That about sums up D.C.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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Go to President of Russia twitter page and you can leave Putin a message congratulating him for being a real man unlike the mooslim we got in the white house. at least he has real sense we don't even have a real president. The whole damn thing was faked! He was a hologram! yep! ask Phen, she'll tell you. I think he is still in Russia because of the G 20 summit meetings. Seriously.
Éireann (OP)
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Go to President of Russia twitter page and you can leave Putin a message congratulating him for being a real man unlike the mooslim we got in the white house. at least he has real sense we don't even have a real president. The whole damn thing was faked! He was a hologram! yep! ask Phen, she'll tell you. I think he is still in Russia because of the G 20 summit meetings. Seriously.
 Quoting: hawk8414

I will do that. Thanks, hawk :)
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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Go to President of Russia twitter page and you can leave Putin a message congratulating him for being a real man unlike the mooslim we got in the white house. at least he has real sense we don't even have a real president. The whole damn thing was faked! He was a hologram! yep! ask Phen, she'll tell you. I think he is still in Russia because of the G 20 summit meetings. Seriously.
 Quoting: hawk8414

I will do that. Thanks, hawk :)
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You are welcome.
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Re: So We Aren't Going to War. Great! But.....
It just amazes me.

They give a little credit for this "miracle of peace" to the people, some credit to themselves, and credit to Obama????

Uhhhh.

wtf
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah, I do not understand that either.
Why would they give credit to Obama, all he did was NOT go along with the stupid plan he had. And is probably already plotting a different way of doing the same, in a different way or at a later date.

Obama, Not executing ONE of the stupid/dangerous plans he has, doesn't make up for all the other things he did and is doing.

If someone destroys the apartment-building he lives in and then threatens to go and destroy an apartment-building further down the street. If he then sees that several people are patrolling the street to make sure that it doesn't happen, and he then suddenly announces that he is NOT going to trash that apartment-building, does not mean that person is suddenly "good". And it doesn't do anything for the damage he has already caused.

If Obama would admit that he was wrong, and apologized to Assad, and made amends to the American people, and would start to undo several of the acts and orders that are destroying America and her Freedom.
Then I might consider giving him credit.

So far Obama has been a ravenous wolf. Feeding off of the destruction of the United States of America.
That he is so full of what he has devoured, that he takes a moment to take a nap, does not mean he is peaceful, or that he has changed his course.

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Last Edited by Aldabaran08 on 09/11/2013 12:20 PM
Éireann (OP)
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It just amazes me.

They give a little credit for this "miracle of peace" to the people, some credit to themselves, and credit to Obama????

Uhhhh.

wtf
 Quoting: Éireann


yeah, I do not understand that either.
Why would they give credit to Obama, all he did was NOT go along with the stupid plan he had. And is probably already plotting a different way of doing the same, in a different way or at a later date.

Obama, Not executing ONE of the stupid/dangerous plans he has, doesn't make up for all the other things he did and is doing.

If someone destroys the apartment-building he lives in and then threatens to go and destroy an apartment-building further down the street. If he then sees that several people are patrolling the street to make sure that it doesn't happen, and he then suddenly announces that he is NOT going to trash that apartment-building, does not mean that person is suddenly "good". And it doesn't do anything for the damage he has already caused.

If Obama would admit that he was wrong, and apologized to Assad, and made amends to the American people, and would start to undo several of the acts and orders that are destroying America and her Freedom.
Then I might consider giving him credit.

So far Obama has been a ravenous wolf. Feeding off of the destruction of the United States of America.
That he is so full of what he has devoured, that he takes a moment to take a nap, does not mean he is peaceful, or that he has changed his course.

...
 Quoting: Aldabaran08

Dank je wel, mijn lief :) You understand the situation perfectly.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
Éireann (OP)
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09/11/2013 12:37 PM

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Not sure why people give bad karma for my posting a thread to chat about shit with like-minded friends. This is sort of what forums are for... ya know?

Get over yerself! Don't like the topic or the poster? Feel free to move along.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum
 Quoting: Master Jedi Powers

Bwahahahaha!

ilaugh

You slay me, Jedi. That is a great thing to have in a sig line.

Sorta roughly translated "Lots of fancy talk, very little wisdom."

Yep. That about sums up D.C.
 Quoting: Éireann


Yes ma'am they are exactly who I had in mind.
(GLP aka American Jedi)

Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth.
Kenny Powers

If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare.
American Jedi

Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them.
Albert Einstein

Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum....

"The last of the old?"

"No, the first of the new."

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