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How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?

 
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How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
There's quite a bit of discussion about Sandy Hook School doors and locks and barricading in classrooms and meeting rooms where no one died.

But what about Victoria Soto and Lauren Rousseau's classrooms?

According to the official story, literally every child who survived was in other rooms; literally every child who died was in one of these two rooms.

Were the doors open?

Shut?

Locked?

Barricaded?

Has this ever been discussed or determined?
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
January 31, 2013|By DAVE ALTIMARI and STEVEN GOODE, daltimar@courant.com, The Hartford Courant
NEWTOWN - — Following the Dec. 14 slaying of students and school personnel at Sandy Hook Elementary School, town education officials took steps to make sure all substitute teachers have keys to their classrooms so they can lock the doors at the start of each day.

"We became aware that not all substitutes had keys," Superintendent of Schools Janet Robinson said Wednesday.

Each school was notified that substitutes should be given classroom keys. The issue arose after the shooting when the father of substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau, one of the victims, raised questions about whether she was provided with a key to the classroom.
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"We were never told if Soto’s room was locked. Assuming that it was, entry would had to have taken place with great force. Yet there was no report of her door being breached.

If the lock was fired on, there would be a great deal of damage to it. Any group of first responders would have stopped there first, one would think, seeing the damage.

The two boys, Aidan Licata and Bryce Maksel, who were in the group that escaped simply stated that when the shooter came into the room they immediately ran. Neither boy said that the shooter blasted the lock first. So, Soto’s room must have been unlocked …or the shooter had a key.

Staying with official versions, officers discovered seven children alive and well locked in a closet in Ms. Soto’s room. They have said that the information about Ms Soto telling the shooter that her children were in the auditorium came from these survivors. In addition, we are told, several of her students made an attempt to flee, but were killed in the act by the shooter.

Here is another spot to hit the pause button. If Soto had hidden all of her class, then why did some run? Wouldn’t they have remained where the were? It seems she had managed to hide only seven. And if the remaining children were out in plain sight, what good does it do to tell a shooter that the children were somewhere else?

It’s nonsense, but it keeps getting repeated by MSM as if it were gospel. It reminds me of that “Let’s roll” meme born out of the Flight 93 myth spun from 911. Had the entire class been hidden, none would have run. If the shooter entered her room while she was in the act of hiding them, it would do no good to say that they were in the auditorium. There is no way to salvage this account. It is, at least in part, an invention."

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"Some said Ms. Soto rushed children into closets and cupboards. Others described a more chaotic scene of terrified children huddled along the far wall.

Ms. Soto slammed the door shut, but it was no obstacle.

Aidan, a 6-year-old boy, told his mother everything later.

“He said the gunman burst into the room,” his mother, Diane Licata, said. “He shot Ms. Soto and then began shooting the children.”

Aidan was screaming.

“He was running around, as were many of the children,” his mother said.

Some dashed behind the gunman, lunging for the door.

“They just ran,” Ms. Licata said.

Before reaching the hallway, Aidan paused to hold the door for his friend Emma."

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"According to one of Soto’s students, Aidan, however, those details are not entirely accurate. Aidan explains that when the students first heard the gunshots, which sounded like “falling hammers,” Soto moved her first-grade students to the other side of the room, following school lockdown procedures. Moments later, the gunman appeared in Soto’s doorway. Victoria then positioned herself in front of the students, and the gunman shot her. Five other students were killed as well, but the rest of Soto’s class managed to run out of the room, past the gunman and escape to safety.

Aidan’s father explains, “They ran past the guy. He was standing in the doorway, and they just ran right past him."

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So, Victoria Soto and the marked kids were the only non-Satanic people in a town full of Satanists, and they became targets?

Also, is it strange that the Janitor, the person who would have classroom keys, is also the person that had the final standoff with Adam Lanza and also happens to have no media attention whatsoever?
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
I think the shooter allowed friends of Janet Vollmer to escape- her son Scott is a Bloomberg employee and was almost certainly identified as the shooter. Any of janet Vollmer's friends were either off from work or were not killed: Joanne Didonato (off), Sally Cox (made eye contact and shooter inexplicable walked away), Natalie Hammond (shot in the extremities- while Noah Pozner got 11 in the head?), Kevin Anzellotti (off) - get the picture ?

It would be interesting to see of Janet Vollmer disliked her boss Hochsprung and if she disliked Soto and the others.

How did Roig have time to lock her classroom all the way by the front door but Soto did not have time to lock hers ? Definitely indicates multiple shooters and simu;ltaneous assaults on two classrooms.see this thread:

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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Diagram of school and room assignments, 2010-2011 school year:

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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Eric Holder gave Sandy Hook 2.5 million dollars; for the movie rights.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
"Robinson said the school district's policy was for teachers to set the lock, located on the hallway side of the door, with their classroom keys when they arrived and started work in the event of a lock-down during the school day.

"They are supposed to have their doors locked and then just slam them shut (if there is a lockdown)," Robinson said."

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CCTV only fed to NSA?
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
It never happened, it was a government drill. We cannot examine the evidence because there is none. The MSM was carefully controlled if they weren't in fact "in on it." I'm certain the higher ups at the major networks knew what was going on.

To think that Lanza walked into a elementary school and in 5 minutes killed 26 people dead, 20 of which were children, so dead in fact that EMS was never even sent in to examine the children, and no parents were so hysterical when they were not reunited with their kids, that they did not try to rush in the school?

Anyone with half a brain who saw the parents being interviewed knows it was BS.

And now the old school is torn down, and all the principals in the play have left town. Anyone else in the town suspicious was paid off to stay quiet.

I start thinking about it and it really makes me mad. I want the cover blown off this thing so freaking bad.
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It never happened, it was a government drill. We cannot examine the evidence because there is none. The MSM was carefully controlled if they weren't in fact "in on it." I'm certain the higher ups at the major networks knew what was going on.

To think that Lanza walked into a elementary school and in 5 minutes killed 26 people dead, 20 of which were children, so dead in fact that EMS was never even sent in to examine the children, and no parents were so hysterical when they were not reunited with their kids, that they did not try to rush in the school?

Anyone with half a brain who saw the parents being interviewed knows it was BS.

And now the old school is torn down, and all the principals in the play have left town. Anyone else in the town suspicious was paid off to stay quiet.

I start thinking about it and it really makes me mad. I want the cover blown off this thing so freaking bad.
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They tore it down already ?
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It never happened, it was a government drill. We cannot examine the evidence because there is none. The MSM was carefully controlled if they weren't in fact "in on it." I'm certain the higher ups at the major networks knew what was going on.

To think that Lanza walked into a elementary school and in 5 minutes killed 26 people dead, 20 of which were children, so dead in fact that EMS was never even sent in to examine the children, and no parents were so hysterical when they were not reunited with their kids, that they did not try to rush in the school?

Anyone with half a brain who saw the parents being interviewed knows it was BS.

And now the old school is torn down, and all the principals in the play have left town. Anyone else in the town suspicious was paid off to stay quiet.

I start thinking about it and it really makes me mad. I want the cover blown off this thing so freaking bad.
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They tore it down already ?
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Not yet but it may as well be, they still don't allow anyone to approach the school even though the investigation is closed. The roads are still roped off.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Sorry for the bad thread title, folks--that should be *1st grade classrooms* not kindergarten.

According to this article, Roig's 1st grade classroom (Room 12) was nearest the lobby (right across from the main office and principal's office), then came Victoria Soto's 1st grade classroom (Room 10), then Lauren Rousseau's 1st grade classroom (Room 8).
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Sorry for the bad thread title, folks--that should be *1st grade classrooms* not kindergarten.

According to this article, Roig's 1st grade classroom (Room 12) was nearest the lobby (right across from the main office and principal's office), then came Victoria Soto's 1st grade classroom (Room 10), then Lauren Rousseau's 1st grade classroom (Room 8).
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Repeat after me everyone, Nobody was shot, it did not happen, it was all a FEMA staged event!
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Sorry for the bad thread title, folks--that should be *1st grade classrooms* not kindergarten.

According to this article, Roig's 1st grade classroom (Room 12) was nearest the lobby (right across from the main office and principal's office), then came Victoria Soto's 1st grade classroom (Room 10), then Lauren Rousseau's 1st grade classroom (Room 8).
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One issue I've always had with the official narrative:

Roig's class was much nearer to the shooter's point of entry to the building, yet was quickly able to hide all her kids safely.

Soto, meanwhile, has ample time to get her kids out of harm's way, as the shooter fires on Rousseau's class, but doesn't. Why? Did she even close her door?

None of it makes sense, and I think that's what the official whitewashers are struggling with now.
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Diagram of school and room assignments, 2010-2011 school year:

[link to i69.servimg.com]
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Cool..first time I've seen an actual layout of the school.

So, Lanza came through the front door, shoot Hochsprung and and another woman, then he would have had to proceed straight down the the hall because we are told he opened the door to the nurses office, the same nurse who saw his face and/or his boots. Then he would have had to go back around the corner to get to the first grade classrooms.

One would think he would of just proceeded down the hall to the second grade classrooms, as they were so close to the nurses office. Why would he have went back around the corner to the first grade classes?
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
I think it's becoming pretty apparent that on December 14, 2012, some Sandy Hook staff either did not follow--or weren't equipped to follow--their school's own classroom door protocol.

Ex-Newtown School Superintendent Janet Robinson's explained that before classes begin teachers are to use their room keys to set each classroom door to "locked," then leave the door open but able to be swiftly pulled shut in the event of a lockdown.

I think there are multiple indications that the doors of the first three classrooms--rooms 12, 10, and 8--were either open, not locked, or both.

In room 12, Roig stated she barricaded the classroom door. Was this really an extra security measure, or did she do it because she hadn't set the door to "lock" and didn't have time to do so once she heard a commotion?

In room 10, no child describes the door being locked--some even imply it was already open.

In room 8, Lauren Roussea was said to have "no key" to her classroom door, meaning she couldn't have set it to "lock" before starting class that day.

We hear several accounts about other teachers that day who "quickly locked their doors," indicating, again, that they hadn't followed school procedure that morning.

However--we don't really know if this protocol existed. We have to keep in mind that blaming the teachers for not following a phantom protocol could just be a way for the school district to get itself off the blame hook.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Sorry for the bad thread title, folks--that should be *1st grade classrooms* not kindergarten.

According to this article, Roig's 1st grade classroom (Room 12) was nearest the lobby (right across from the main office and principal's office), then came Victoria Soto's 1st grade classroom (Room 10), then Lauren Rousseau's 1st grade classroom (Room 8).
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Repeat after me everyone, Nobody was shot, it did not happen, it was all a FEMA staged event!
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Has to be exposed either way, lad.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
I think it's becoming pretty apparent that on December 14, 2012, some Sandy Hook staff either did not follow--or weren't equipped to follow--their school's own classroom door protocol.

Ex-Newtown School Superintendent Janet Robinson's explained that before classes begin teachers are to use their room keys to set each classroom door to "locked," then leave the door open but able to be swiftly pulled shut in the event of a lockdown.

I think there are multiple indications that the doors of the first three classrooms--rooms 12, 10, and 8--were either open, not locked, or both.

In room 12, Roig stated she barricaded the classroom door. Was this really an extra security measure, or did she do it because she hadn't set the door to "lock" and didn't have time to do so once she heard a commotion?

In room 10, no child describes the door being locked--some even imply it was already open.

In room 8, Lauren Roussea was said to have "no key" to her classroom door, meaning she couldn't have set it to "lock" before starting class that day.

We hear several accounts about other teachers that day who "quickly locked their doors," indicating, again, that they hadn't followed school procedure that morning.

However--we don't really know if this protocol existed. We have to keep in mind that blaming the teachers for not following a phantom protocol could just be a way for the school district to get itself off the blame hook.
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No man, you're not getting it. No doors were locked. No doors were unlocked. Nobody died that day. There is zero...nada...zip...zilch for proof of anyone dying. Nobody bothered to sue anyone. No lawsuits because no crime was committed, well, except for the great deception that is Sand Hook.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Sorry for the bad thread title, folks--that should be *1st grade classrooms* not kindergarten.

According to this article, Roig's 1st grade classroom (Room 12) was nearest the lobby (right across from the main office and principal's office), then came Victoria Soto's 1st grade classroom (Room 10), then Lauren Rousseau's 1st grade classroom (Room 8).
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Repeat after me everyone, Nobody was shot, it did not happen, it was all a FEMA staged event!
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CCTV only fed to NSA?
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
10 months later.

Not one single drop of blood to be found.

Amazing.


No blood, no foul.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Why hasn't the janitor been interviewed as of yet? Wasn't it reported that he was the hero running around locking doors as well??? If he's such a hero, why wasn't he interviewed?
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Why hasn't the janitor been interviewed as of yet? Wasn't it reported that he was the hero running around locking doors as well??? If he's such a hero, why wasn't he interviewed?
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Well that is the thing. Why interview someone on how a drill was executed?

I really wonder how hard it is for Sedensky to create a report out of this mess....considering most is made up.
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Re: How did shooters breach the two Sandy Hook kindergarten classrooms?
Why hasn't the janitor been interviewed as of yet? Wasn't it reported that he was the hero running around locking doors as well??? If he's such a hero, why wasn't he interviewed?
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Well that is the thing. Why interview someone on how a drill was executed?

I really wonder how hard it is for Sedensky to create a report out of this mess....considering most is made up.
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If the report gets to difficult, just take a play from the old 9/11 commission and just leave it out or just interview important people not under oath. . . You know. . .so they can answer questions ;)
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What good is a locked door against a machine gun?
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What good is a locked door against a machine gun?
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A machine gun? Who has been feeding you bs? Even the bs story that they have been feeding us here in America doesn't have a machine gun in the story, only normal semi auto's, and it's pretty hard to break into a door by shooting out the lock. No matter how much Hollywood tries to pretend it is.

I don't buy a word of the Sandy Hook story. But as a Substitute teacher, I've been trying to explain to local school districts for years that it's just not safe to leave substitute teachers without a way to lock the room.

Substitutes are put in a bad position. We are responsible for everything and everyone in a room, where we have no ability to lock the door. So, no only can we not protect the children during a lock down, we can't lock the door when we leave allowing any student, staff, roaming parent, or people off the streets to walk in and take anything they want. When stuff, goes missing, they blame the substitute and call us thieves.

If you are stupid enough to trust your local school with your precious children, at least demand that the substitute has a key. Not only will this protect your child's possessions, it might save their life!!!

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