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C-Span 9/11 debate. Truthers Own It!

 
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The skeptic starts out strong, but once the Webster gets a word in he's hopelessly flooded with the facts of reality. The truther's victory is evident in the audience's reaction. Make sure you watch it until the end, it starts getting hilarious. If everyone on earth saw this debate everyone would be a rabid truther.

This Tarpley guy knows his stuff, I highly recommend watching his other youtube videos.

Stay Diligent! The Truth is making a Resurgence!

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godamn, is there a bot program that just randomly hands out 1 stars? It was immediate. Either that or someone has no life and opts for the dumbest form of trolling.
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Truthers usually appear victorious in a debate of this type because they have done much more research into the event than the person they are debating with. The problem is that truthers only search for things that support their position and discard anything that doesn't. The person on the other side of the debate usually doesn't even have a clue what the hell they are talking about and the truthers strut around like they've actually "won" something... until their "evidence" gets debunked, that is. Then it's back to the drawing board.

This cycle repeats itself over and over until most people just get sick of arguing the same stupid shit day after day and walk away from the "debate" entirely. The truthers then take this as a sign that they've "won", blissfully unaware of the fact that they haven't actually proven anything and have only succeeded in boring people into submission.

Seriously, it's been 12 years since 9-11 and they have yet to uncover or reveal anyone involved. The US government can't keep the lid on some prisoners being mishandled at GITMO or Abu Ghraib and you dumb asses expect us to believe that they can lock 9-11 down so tight that there isn't even a grainy video, intercepted cell phone call, work order for an obnoxious amount of thermite, voice disguised confession, or any kind of real proof what-so-ever that can be produced after all of this time?

Seriously?
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...and for the record, I am the one that gave you 1 star. I'd have given you zero but that option isn't available.
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...and for the record, I am the one that gave you 1 star. I'd have given you zero but that option isn't available.
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...and for the record, I am the one that gave you 1 star. I'd have given you zero but that option isn't available.
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That skeleton is actually appropriate symbolism for this topic.

It's dead.
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Truthers usually appear victorious in a debate of this type because they have done much more research into the event than the person they are debating with. The problem is that truthers only search for things that support their position and discard anything that doesn't. The person on the other side of the debate usually doesn't even have a clue what the hell they are talking about and the truthers strut around like they've actually "won" something... until their "evidence" gets debunked, that is. Then it's back to the drawing board.

This cycle repeats itself over and over until most people just get sick of arguing the same stupid shit day after day and walk away from the "debate" entirely. The truthers then take this as a sign that they've "won", blissfully unaware of the fact that they haven't actually proven anything and have only succeeded in boring people into submission.

Seriously, it's been 12 years since 9-11 and they have yet to uncover or reveal anyone involved. The US government can't keep the lid on some prisoners being mishandled at GITMO or Abu Ghraib and you dumb asses expect us to believe that they can lock 9-11 down so tight that there isn't even a grainy video, intercepted cell phone call, work order for an obnoxious amount of thermite, voice disguised confession, or any kind of real proof what-so-ever that can be produced after all of this time?

Seriously?
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With something like 9/11 or the JFK assassination you can only make an educated opinion. What REALLY matters when it comes to 9/11 truth isn't showing a smoking gun, but just getting people on your side, and debates like this increase the numbers of truthers massively.

You're doing the same thing you've blamed truthers for right now by using anecdotal evidence against 9/11 truth to get more people on your side. You can't prove it didn't happen, we as of yet haven't obtained 100% certainty it did. The only thing you can do is see the best arguments from both sides and IMO the official story is always lacking, even in the most reputable proponents like Popular Mechanics.

As time has gone on more people have sided with 9/11 truth and eventually that will reach a tipping point. With RT's pro truther report yesterday it's obvious we're reaching a milestone.

And just because nothing solid has come out in 12 years doesn't mean nothing will ever come of it. Just yesterday new footage was revealed of building 7 collapsing. New discoveries are even still being made about the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. Webster Tarpley has only recently managed to narrow down the culprits for hiding the truth about the impending Japanese attack to one or two people in this video: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

turns out it wasn't FDR, but rather it was the British who allowed the sneak attack to succeed in order to weaken their biggest rival, the US.

You see, it's not that every rock has been turned over with nothing gained, it's that the issue is so complex that it takes many years to unravel it.

And only a dumbass would lump an organization as massive and compartmentalized as the US government together in order to say that one poorly executed mission by one aspect of it makes everyone in it just as dumb. That's a typical under-informed response by the skeptics. Next you'll say George Bush is too dumb to pull something like that off, as if George Bush actually has any control over the situation. lolatu

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...and for the record, I am the one that gave you 1 star. I'd have given you zero but that option isn't available.
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That skeleton is actually appropriate symbolism for this topic.

It's dead.
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There are more truthers than ever. More and more 9/11 truth is reaching the mainstream, just like how JFK truth has lost almost all of it's stigma as time has gone on. It's your kind that's going extinct dead3
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bump The truth will ALWAYS live on..hf Long live the TRUTH!
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You'll never find an as in depth examination of 9/11 than this.
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US news and world report is tasked with rating universities.

If your Architecture school signs on with the "official" view of 9-11, you might want to cancel the sub.
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Noticing the date of this debate.. it was in April 2012.. not exactly extremely recent...
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Truthers usually appear victorious in a debate of this type because they have done much more research into the event than the person they are debating with. The problem is that truthers only search for things that support their position and discard anything that doesn't. The person on the other side of the debate usually doesn't even have a clue what the hell they are talking about and the truthers strut around like they've actually "won" something... until their "evidence" gets debunked, that is. Then it's back to the drawing board.

This cycle repeats itself over and over until most people just get sick of arguing the same stupid shit day after day and walk away from the "debate" entirely. The truthers then take this as a sign that they've "won", blissfully unaware of the fact that they haven't actually proven anything and have only succeeded in boring people into submission.

Seriously, it's been 12 years since 9-11 and they have yet to uncover or reveal anyone involved. The US government can't keep the lid on some prisoners being mishandled at GITMO or Abu Ghraib and you dumb asses expect us to believe that they can lock 9-11 down so tight that there isn't even a grainy video, intercepted cell phone call, work order for an obnoxious amount of thermite, voice disguised confession, or any kind of real proof what-so-ever that can be produced after all of this time?

Seriously?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20993795


With something like 9/11 or the JFK assassination you can only make an educated opinion. What REALLY matters when it comes to 9/11 truth isn't showing a smoking gun, but just getting people on your side, and debates like this increase the numbers of truthers massively.

You're doing the same thing you've blamed truthers for right now by using anecdotal evidence against 9/11 truth to get more people on your side. You can't prove it didn't happen, we as of yet haven't obtained 100% certainty it did. The only thing you can do is see the best arguments from both sides and IMO the official story is always lacking, even in the most reputable proponents like Popular Mechanics.

As time has gone on more people have sided with 9/11 truth and eventually that will reach a tipping point. With RT's pro truther report yesterday it's obvious we're reaching a milestone.

And just because nothing solid has come out in 12 years doesn't mean nothing will ever come of it. Just yesterday new footage was revealed of building 7 collapsing. New discoveries are even still being made about the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. Webster Tarpley has only recently managed to narrow down the culprits for hiding the truth about the impending Japanese attack to one or two people in this video: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

turns out it wasn't FDR, but rather it was the British who allowed the sneak attack to succeed in order to weaken their biggest rival, the US.

You see, it's not that every rock has been turned over with nothing gained, it's that the issue is so complex that it takes many years to unravel it.

And only a dumbass would lump an organization as massive and compartmentalized as the US government together in order to say that one poorly executed mission by one aspect of it makes everyone in it just as dumb. That's a typical under-informed response by the skeptics. Next you'll say George Bush is too dumb to pull something like that off, as if George Bush actually has any control over the situation. lolatu
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As to FDR and Pearl Harbor it was known but US intelligence even back in 1926 and 27 that Britian and the Emperor of Japan were designing attack plans for taking the US Pacific Fleet off the map so that the Big Pond could be shared by Britain and Japan.. and the plans even included taking over teh Dutch East India colonies.. hence seizing the Dutch colonies.. for the joint ownership of Britain and Japan...

FDR knew what was coming but he was in fact bound by the Constitution that he had to have something actually happen in such an attack on Pearl Habor or Congress would never have Declared War and put him in the Role of the Commander and Chief.

But after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and espeically the advent of the IRBMs and Sea Launched nuclear weapons it was felt that such a nuclar attack would be so fast hard an heavy and cover large portions of the USA that it might even be no Congress left to act to declare war.. which is how the War Power Act came into being...

And just like after the dismantling of the USSR,. the USA got the news an reports of just how close the USA came to be hit 90 times which tactal nukes against a million man naval attack on Cuba.. Americans and not even the American intellegent agencies had had the first clue what the Soviets in Cube were advised and orderd to do IF the USA started an invasion of Cuba.

There are known knowns, there are unknown knowns and then there are teh unknown unknowns.. The people in mass of the USA are right now still in that category of the Unknown Knowns.. as to their own informational sources.

There is a reason that much Top Secret Classified stuff continues to remain Top Secret Classified stuff for 75 years or even longer.

At any rate lets all spend a few more months in deeply Re Thinking the entire issue.. and consider every single theory and discovery that has been found or developed since that day 12 years ago..
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Truthers usually appear victorious in a debate of this type because they have done much more research into the event than the person they are debating with. The problem is that truthers only search for things that support their position and discard anything that doesn't. The person on the other side of the debate usually doesn't even have a clue what the hell they are talking about and the truthers strut around like they've actually "won" something... until their "evidence" gets debunked, that is. Then it's back to the drawing board.

This cycle repeats itself over and over until most people just get sick of arguing the same stupid shit day after day and walk away from the "debate" entirely. The truthers then take this as a sign that they've "won", blissfully unaware of the fact that they haven't actually proven anything and have only succeeded in boring people into submission.

Seriously, it's been 12 years since 9-11 and they have yet to uncover or reveal anyone involved. The US government can't keep the lid on some prisoners being mishandled at GITMO or Abu Ghraib and you dumb asses expect us to believe that they can lock 9-11 down so tight that there isn't even a grainy video, intercepted cell phone call, work order for an obnoxious amount of thermite, voice disguised confession, or any kind of real proof what-so-ever that can be produced after all of this time?

Seriously?
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With something like 9/11 or the JFK assassination you can only make an educated opinion. What REALLY matters when it comes to 9/11 truth isn't showing a smoking gun, but just getting people on your side, and debates like this increase the numbers of truthers massively.

You're doing the same thing you've blamed truthers for right now by using anecdotal evidence against 9/11 truth to get more people on your side. You can't prove it didn't happen, we as of yet haven't obtained 100% certainty it did. The only thing you can do is see the best arguments from both sides and IMO the official story is always lacking, even in the most reputable proponents like Popular Mechanics.

As time has gone on more people have sided with 9/11 truth and eventually that will reach a tipping point. With RT's pro truther report yesterday it's obvious we're reaching a milestone.

And just because nothing solid has come out in 12 years doesn't mean nothing will ever come of it. Just yesterday new footage was revealed of building 7 collapsing. New discoveries are even still being made about the Pearl Harbor conspiracy. Webster Tarpley has only recently managed to narrow down the culprits for hiding the truth about the impending Japanese attack to one or two people in this video: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

turns out it wasn't FDR, but rather it was the British who allowed the sneak attack to succeed in order to weaken their biggest rival, the US.

You see, it's not that every rock has been turned over with nothing gained, it's that the issue is so complex that it takes many years to unravel it.

And only a dumbass would lump an organization as massive and compartmentalized as the US government together in order to say that one poorly executed mission by one aspect of it makes everyone in it just as dumb. That's a typical under-informed response by the skeptics. Next you'll say George Bush is too dumb to pull something like that off, as if George Bush actually has any control over the situation. lolatu
 Quoting: alter-ego

Is there testimony from anyone involved? Nope.

Got any photos, video, or audio that incriminates ANYONE for a specific act? Nope.

Do you have anything except a seemingly never ending stream of circumstantial evidence which has never been subjected to the rigors of a thorough and impartial analysis? Nope.



What you have is a fantasy dreamed up by a bunch of like minded nitwits who have way too much time on their hands. If this "movement" is indeed growing, this is not an example of the case being more compelling or the evidence being more convincing because it is no more compelling and no more convincing than it was ten years ago. There is no new "evidence" at all. It is the exact same shit being recycled and repackaged over and over again.

No, if the movement IS growing I'm afraid that this is only evidence that "the movement" is reaching more and more stupid people. There are a lot of stupid people in the world. I expect that you could expand the ranks by a factor of 1000 if you really dug deep. You could probably hold a "Million Moron March" on Washington in time. But this still does nothing to provide the kind of evidence that has been missing from the start.

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