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Pope Francis assures atheists: You donít have to believe in God to go to heaven (WHAT???)

 
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I don't believe in this bullshit at all, All religions are retarded but let me just give you another angle to look at it from, if you are following your conscience which is the way you differentiate right and wrong, would you then not be following the Christ like nature within you?

If you honestly believe that only through belief in Jesus or God in terms of saying "I believe in you" is the only way to get to heaven in your belief, that is extremely retarded.

A person could be good their whole life, do nothing wrong and go to hell for not believing?

That's justice right there.......NOT

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I don't believe in this bullshit at all, All religions are retarded but let me just give you another angle to look at it from, if you are following your conscience which is the way you differentiate right and wrong, would you then not be following the Christ like nature within you?

If you honestly believe that only through belief in Jesus or God in terms of saying "I believe in you" is the only way to get to heaven in your belief, that is extremely retarded.

A person could be good their whole life, do nothing wrong and go to hell for not believing?

That's justice right there.......NOT

LOL

resist
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Exactly, but when the Pope says so.. He is the false prophet
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Yup, it just isn't the SAME without that asshole-ish "BURN IN HELL!!!" overtone, you know?

If anyone heard too much of THAT heresy, they might start to think ALL religion may not be one in the same with obnoxious hypocrites screaming nonsense at you.

Indeed, this abomination MUST be STOPPED !!!!!!
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There is hope for GLP.
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Meet the False Prophet.
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YEP ! The wolf in sheep's clothing.
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I don't believe in this bullshit at all, All religions are retarded but let me just give you another angle to look at it from, if you are following your conscience which is the way you differentiate right and wrong, would you then not be following the Christ like nature within you?

If you honestly believe that only through belief in Jesus or God in terms of saying "I believe in you" is the only way to get to heaven in your belief, that is extremely retarded.

A person could be good their whole life, do nothing wrong and go to hell for not believing?

That's justice right there.......NOT

LOL

resist
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Well just the same, that's GOD for you!

At least it is to the goatherders of antiquity, whose mythology you deify.
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Pope on Dope!

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In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: ďYou ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who donít believe and who donít seek the faith. I start by saying Ė and this is the fundamental thing Ė that Godís mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

How many non-scriptural speeches is this Pope going to feed the world? Sorry Francis but the Bible clearly states that only through the blood of Jesus and accepting his gift of eternal life should anyone enter the kingdom of Heaven. So to say you can enter the kingdom by denying God is false and this guy is falsely prophesying.
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There are two kind of heavens.

The pope is right and refers to the material-heaven where souls with good karma can go. If the good karma is depleted, they take rebirth in the material world.
But there is another heaven, the eternal, spiritual one. If someone goes there, he will not be fored to return. But only souls who know god, themselfs and their duty can enter.

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The way to Jesus is by following his actions and living as he did, not through religion. Hence some one can become close to God without knowing him for who he is.

Do you really think God would turn away someone for not knowing who he is, sounds kind of vain and immature too me and not God like at all.
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Here is the big flaw in your statement. I know of no one who does not know who God is. They choose not accept him. And Many choose not to accept him because they choose to sin. It is much easier to say I don't believe in God so a person can do the things they wish, abortions, drugs, steal, gamble, sleep around, lie, without guilt. Most chose to worship the almighty dollar than God. SO yes people are making their choice.
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Listen! Everyone wants to think they are correct. Concerning religion especially. Every word written that resides in any book perceived as holy was written by the hand of man. I therefore find it amazing that people can be so blindly accepting of it.

Jesus never set his word to pen in his own hand. The ones doing the writing claimed that they were guided by the spirit to do so. When the Gospels were assembled The accounts can be somewhat accepted because visual evidence was being presented, however, emotion is a typical component and will almost always distort the facts. That is why science was invented.

Based on human nature what was written was what the writer thought they saw and heard guided by their own mind. What witnesses to anything write or express is seldom exactly what happened.

Many of the conclusions that people arrive at from the scriptures are are guided by how they think, this varies widely as evidenced by the plethora of denominations and sects of almost all religions.

The accounts of Jesus are no doubt incredible and I would never in my mind limit the power of God, but this is tempered with a knowledge of what man can pervert, even without intent.

Moderation is my key to living.

I know a spiritual realm exists from my own personal experiences and along with that comes a knowledge that things are seldom what they seem. God to me is the power that lies behind the construction of what ever exists in TRUTH...... not necessarily my reality.

Follow only what you can honestly validate from your own experience and spiritual connection.

Whether you believe or not in God you either follow the path that leads to spiritual profit or not. Our minds are as they are through a composite of many things that are not completely within our control. The Pope has a mind of his own and will follow his way and understanding...... what else can he do? Be a puppet? Then, tell me the worth of a Pope.
One Truth.... many realities
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Hi also added in one of his speeches that if the CRC as not teaching the word of JC , which would be the purpose of it, anyway-----------------'

Maybe acting according to what your conscious dictates IS in line with the teaching of JC. Some food for though.
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So much for hypochrites attending mass regularly and beleiving they are all holy while they exploit and kill millions...
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He is right, most near death experiences prove that.
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Conscious Out of Body Experiences also prove it. hf
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ANY NDE:

Is an intense extensional experience brought on by an endogenous opioid peptide surge due to an intense physiological or psychological trauma.

'God' and the Devil are just manifestations of said trauma and physiological response.


DEBUNKED!!!!


Next question please.


sheeppopesheep
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That's what TPTB would like you to think. I see you're being an obedient sheeple.

"I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not knowóGod knows. And I know that this manówhether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knowsówas caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell." 2 Corinthians 12:1-4

Paul is admitting here that Out-of-body experiences do occur. As far as NDEs go, the only reason these people "come back" is because the silver cord was not broken. The Silver cord (Jacob's Ladder), extending from the Astral World, links the Microcosm to the Macrocosm, the Created with the Creator, the body of flesh to the living Spirit. It can be compared to the umbilical cord that links an unborn baby to its mother. During our nightly OOB travels we use this cord to escape the physical body. When this cord breaks, death of the body occurs. The cord does not break as long as the body is fit for the Spirit to reside in.
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The way to Jesus is by following his actions and living as he did, not through religion. Hence some one can become close to God without knowing him for who he is.

Do you really think God would turn away someone for not knowing who he is, sounds kind of vain and immature too me and not God like at all.
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Here is the big flaw in your statement. I know of no one who does not know who God is. They choose not accept him. And Many choose not to accept him because they choose to sin. It is much easier to say I don't believe in God so a person can do the things they wish, abortions, drugs, steal, gamble, sleep around, lie, without guilt. Most chose to worship the almighty dollar than God. SO yes people are making their choice.
 Quoting: tripleh31


Here's another moron exposing the height of their ignorance. Insists that God is a "HE!!" Insists that those who do not accept this "HE God", have deep desires to abort, steal, do drugs, lie, gamble, sleep around, etc., etc, etc. Well, moron, I don't accept your stupid "HE God" and yet i don't have deep desires for any of your so called "sins!!" You holier than thou idiots should start reading your own bible. Strange how you morons keep avoiding certain scriptures that tell you exactly where the bear sh_t!!

ďKnow ye not that ye (the body) are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you (the body)?Ē 1 Cor. 3:16 Why do you keep forgetting that the Spirit of God (energy/Life/) is within each and every one of us - including the murderer!!

Luke 17:20, "The Kingdom comes not with observation (you can't see it because it is not physical). The kingdom of God is within you. Why do you keep looking outside yourself for "God" when you're told straight to your face that God is within you?
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The poe is right to a point because Jesus never actually TAUGHT eternal hell OR torure.

Here is what he actually said on the subject.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.
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Meet the False Prophet.
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bump

He's purposely perverting the gospel. Spreading false teachings,people should be weary of what to believe that comes out of this guys mouth.
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Sunday, February 17th, 2013
My dearly beloved daughter, the schism within the Catholic Church, as foretold, will now be witnessed, for all the world to see. The departure of My dearly beloved Holy Vicar, Pope Benedict XVI, marks the beginning of the end. I have, through you, My chosen prophet, over the last two years, tried to prepare My Church on earth for this sad event.

The Masonic elite have grasped control over My Church and they will wield the most wicked deceit upon Catholics. The Keys of Rome are now within My Hands having been passed over to Me by My Father. I will direct all of My followers so that the Truth can be sustained and that My Holy Word remains intact.

The false prophet will now take over the Seat in Rome and My Word, just as it was in My Time on earth, will be treated as heresy.

Make no mistake, for as the deceit is presented to the world, as if the new reign represents the Truth, you, My daughter, will suffer terribly in My Holy Name just as the prophets, which came before you.

My followers must remain calm and pray for the salvation of all of My most sacred servants who will be caught up in this abomination. I call on them to respond as follows.

Continue to follow My Teachings. Never waive from the Word of God. Remain loyal to your sacred duties and administer the Holy Sacraments as you have been instructed by Me.

The Teachings of the Catholic Church, based on its formation by My Apostle Peter, remain infallible. Now this will change once the foundation is rocked by the changes to come.

Shortly, you will no longer recognise My Church and you will feel very uncomfortable when you witness how My Holy Word will be tampered with.

Your Jesus
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The Warning - The Second
Many priests and Sacred Servant are informed about this "prophet", waiting for more proofs... but if they dont find any theological issues, OP u need to check by urself

he is the antichrist?
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The False Prophet is not the AntiChrist. 2 persons
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There will be am unholy trinity as per the Revelation (the beast, the antichrist and the false prophet)

The way to Jesus is by following his actions and living as he did, not through religion. Hence some one can become close to God without knowing him for who he is.

Do you really think God would turn away someone for not knowing who he is, sounds kind of vain and immature too me and not God like at all.
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It's all about professing that he came and died for our sins and except him as our lord and savior and except his gift of eternal life. Doing good deeds is great and all but you still have to except him into your heart. Only his blood and exceptance of his gift will wash away our sins.
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Jesus would consider you a pharisee.
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bsflagIdol1

I don't believe in this bullshit at all, All religions are retarded but let me just give you another angle to look at it from, if you are following your conscience which is the way you differentiate right and wrong, would you then not be following the Christ like nature within you?

If you honestly believe that only through belief in Jesus or God in terms of saying "I believe in you" is the only way to get to heaven in your belief, that is extremely retarded.

A person could be good their whole life, do nothing wrong and go to hell for not believing?

That's justice right there.......NOT

LOL

resist
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Exactly, but when the Pope says so.. He is the false prophet
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I love him, he is the most sensible, humble and caring Pope they have had in eons.

I was raised Catholic and it has been wonderful to see him behaving like Christ.

Christ loved all people and his catch cry was Judge not and you will not be judged.

He also said 'Love your neighbour as yourself."

Pope Francis is demonstrating all of this, he is the most Christlike Pope I have seen in ages.
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I love him, he is the most sensible, humble and caring Pope they have had in eons.

I was raised Catholic and it has been wonderful to see him behaving like Christ.

Christ loved all people and his catch cry was Judge not and you will not be judged.

He also said 'Love your neighbour as yourself."

Pope Francis is demonstrating all of this, he is the most Christlike Pope I have seen in ages.
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Then why did Jesus tell the woman caught in adultery to GO AND SIN NO MORE?????


Why didn't he just say....GO and try not to sin....???

Susie

If you don't stand for your faith, then you won't stand at all....
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There is a growing belief that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

He was big on Forgiveness and big on non judgement. These are all qualities of the New Pope.
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I love him, he is the most sensible, humble and caring Pope they have had in eons.

I was raised Catholic and it has been wonderful to see him behaving like Christ.

Christ loved all people and his catch cry was Judge not and you will not be judged.

He also said 'Love your neighbour as yourself."

Pope Francis is demonstrating all of this, he is the most Christlike Pope I have seen in ages.
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Open ur eyes brother...
None Jesuit' raised to the Holy Seat in centuries, not by chance
U know the Jesuit's boss is called the black pope?

U need to have a look at Revelation ASAP
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There is a growing belief that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

He was big on Forgiveness and big on non judgement. These are all qualities of the New Pope.
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The poe is right to a point because Jesus never actually TAUGHT eternal hell OR torure.

Here is what he actually said on the subject.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.
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You bring up good points, but your problem is that your not sharing all the verses that do support hell.

In your arguments, you should bring up all verses, that a typical Christian does use to support hell.

If you don't this, than it's merely new age cherry picking of verses, to support a watered down version of Christianity.
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I love him, he is the most sensible, humble and caring Pope they have had in eons.

I was raised Catholic and it has been wonderful to see him behaving like Christ.

Christ loved all people and his catch cry was Judge not and you will not be judged.

He also said 'Love your neighbour as yourself."

Pope Francis is demonstrating all of this, he is the most Christlike Pope I have seen in ages.
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Open ur eyes brother...
None Jesuit' raised to the Holy Seat in centuries, not by chance
U know the Jesuit's boss is called the black pope?

U need to have a look at Revelation ASAP
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I have read the Book of Revelation many times but rely on actions. I do not see him as anyone malevolent.

I think you should read "The Prayer of St Francis of Assisi" because that sums up what he stands for.
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I love him, he is the most sensible, humble and caring Pope they have had in eons.

I was raised Catholic and it has been wonderful to see him behaving like Christ.

Christ loved all people and his catch cry was Judge not and you will not be judged.

He also said 'Love your neighbour as yourself."

Pope Francis is demonstrating all of this, he is the most Christlike Pope I have seen in ages.
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Open ur eyes brother...
None Jesuit' raised to the Holy Seat in centuries, not by chance
U know the Jesuit's boss is called the black pope?

U need to have a look at Revelation ASAP
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I have read the Book of Revelation many times but rely on actions. I do not see him as anyone malevolent.

I think you should read "The Prayer of St Francis of Assisi" because that sums up what he stands for.
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Then i hope ull be ready to recognize the Abomination when he'll unify all churches and all religions into one, where sin wont be anymore Sin
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In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: ďYou ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who donít believe and who donít seek the faith. I start by saying Ė and this is the fundamental thing Ė that Godís mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

How many non-scriptural speeches is this Pope going to feed the world? Sorry Francis but the Bible clearly states that only through the blood of Jesus and accepting his gift of eternal life should anyone enter the kingdom of Heaven. So to say you can enter the kingdom by denying God is false and this guy is falsely prophesying.
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tellya where was this guy when I was growin up those southern Baptist preachers sayin god would strike me blind for sinning scared the shit outta me hiding
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I love him, he is the most sensible, humble and caring Pope they have had in eons.

I was raised Catholic and it has been wonderful to see him behaving like Christ.

Christ loved all people and his catch cry was Judge not and you will not be judged.

He also said 'Love your neighbour as yourself."

Pope Francis is demonstrating all of this, he is the most Christlike Pope I have seen in ages.
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Then why did Jesus tell the woman caught in adultery to GO AND SIN NO MORE?????


Why didn't he just say....GO and try not to sin....???

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Duhhh - that would be a dead give-away, now wouldn't it? He might very well have said exactly that if indeed he existed at all. As Celsus said, the gospels were tampered with over and over and over again until they said what the church fathers wanted them to say. The New Testament was condensed from some 1,500 various manuscripts of which more than 80,000 variations existed and most did not agree with one another. Many passages were often deleted entirely or changed to suit the Church fathers. This is evidenced by a letter written to the Church by philosopher Celsus who wrote: ďYou utter fables, and you do not even possess the art of making them seem likelyÖ. You have altered three, four, times and oftener the texts of your own Gospels in order to deny objections made to you.Ē

ďIt is an act of virtue to deceive and lie,
when by such means the interest of the church might be promoted.Ē Ė Bishop Eusebius (260-339)
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The poe is right to a point because Jesus never actually TAUGHT eternal hell OR torure.

Here is what he actually said on the subject.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46769106


You bring up good points, but your problem is that your not sharing all the verses that do support hell.

In your arguments, you should bring up all verses, that a typical Christian does use to support hell.

If you don't this, than it's merely new age cherry picking of verses, to support a watered down version of Christianity.
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All what is written above DOES explain those other verses as well when you get the MEANING of what jesus was saying.
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The poe is right to a point because Jesus never actually TAUGHT eternal hell OR torure.

Here is what he actually said on the subject.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.
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You bring up good points, but your problem is that your not sharing all the verses that do support hell.

In your arguments, you should bring up all verses, that a typical Christian does use to support hell.

If you don't this, than it's merely new age cherry picking of verses, to support a watered down version of Christianity.
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All what is written above DOES explain those other verses as well when you get the MEANING of what jesus was saying.
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Re: Pope Francis assures atheists: You donít have to believe in God to go to heaven (WHAT???)
There is a growing belief that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

He was big on Forgiveness and big on non judgement. These are all qualities of the New Pope.
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Of course!! Jewish law has it that to be a rabbi, you have to be married.
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