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a question for anyone that's Jewish

 
Manu-Koelbren

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How long have you all been waiting for this messiah? can't you see you're just retarded? doublefacepalm


That's your opinion and I have mine. Don't like it, to bad.
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That's not your opinion, that's some distorted stuff you read in a book and you took for granted. There's no messiah coming, there's no magical stuff nor dragons nor men with eyes of fire, this should be clear to anyone with a mature mind. People who believe in superstitious nonsense are just like children mentally.

I honestly believe our ancient ancestors witnessed some messed up cataclysms caused by very shocking astral phenomena and also some of them possessed a very advanced technology from lost eras. The combination of these things plus a tendency to mythify accounts led to a bunch of books filled with distortions and allegory being written and morons to this day believe these distorted tales.

It's time to grow up people, there's no one coming to save you.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Oh and don't forget ancients doing hallucinogenic drugs and writing down their experiences as fact.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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How long have you all been waiting for this messiah? can't you see you're just retarded? doublefacepalm


That's your opinion and I have mine. Don't like it, to bad.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


That's not your opinion, that's some distorted stuff you read in a book and you took for granted. There's no messiah coming, there's no magical stuff nor dragons nor men with eyes of fire, this should be clear to anyone with a mature mind. People who believe in superstitious nonsense are just like children mentally.

I honestly believe our ancient ancestors witnessed some messed up cataclysms caused by very shocking astral phenomena and also some of them possessed a very advanced technology from lost eras. The combination of these things plus a tendency to mythify accounts led to a bunch of books filled with distortions and allegory being written and morons to this day believe these distorted tales.

It's time to grow up people, there's no one coming to save you.
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As I said you have a right to your opinion. Have a good evening.
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How long have you all been waiting for this messiah? can't you see you're just retarded? doublefacepalm


That's your opinion and I have mine. Don't like it, to bad.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


That's not your opinion, that's some distorted stuff you read in a book and you took for granted. There's no messiah coming, there's no magical stuff nor dragons nor men with eyes of fire, this should be clear to anyone with a mature mind. People who believe in superstitious nonsense are just like children mentally.

I honestly believe our ancient ancestors witnessed some messed up cataclysms caused by very shocking astral phenomena and also some of them possessed a very advanced technology from lost eras. The combination of these things plus a tendency to mythify accounts led to a bunch of books filled with distortions and allegory being written and morons to this day believe these distorted tales.

It's time to grow up people, there's no one coming to save you.
 Quoting: girl with open eyes

As I said you have a right to your opinion. Have a good evening.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Yeah whatever, you're an archetypal person, I don't even know why I bother. Keep believing in your fairytale if that makes life more bearable.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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I'm not a jew but I play one on TV. Jews believe, according to their filthy Talmud, that Jesus is the son of a prostitute, currently in hell boiling in a vat of shit.

That's what your good little buddy the jew thinks of Jesus. Imagine what he must think of you.
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That's not your opinion, that's some distorted stuff you read in a book and you took for granted. There's no messiah coming, there's no magical stuff nor dragons nor men with eyes of fire, this should be clear to anyone with a mature mind. People who believe in superstitious nonsense are just like children mentally.

I honestly believe our ancient ancestors witnessed some messed up cataclysms caused by very shocking astral phenomena and also some of them possessed a very advanced technology from lost eras. The combination of these things plus a tendency to mythify accounts led to a bunch of books filled with distortions and allegory being written and morons to this day believe these distorted tales.

It's time to grow up people, there's no one coming to save you.
 Quoting: girl with open eyes

As I said you have a right to your opinion. Have a good evening.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Yeah whatever, you're an archetypal person, I don't even know why I bother. Keep believing in your fairytale if that makes life more bearable.
 Quoting: girl with open eyes

Well for one I didn't ask of your opinion since you are an atheist. And for two this post was for people who practice Judaism and comparing it to Christian beliefs. Get it now? Good shove off!
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I'm not a jew but I play one on TV. Jews believe, according to their filthy Talmud, that Jesus is the son of a prostitute, currently in hell boiling in a vat of shit.

That's what your good little buddy the jew thinks of Jesus. Imagine what he must think of you.
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I think they think we are less then beast... that is written in their holy book the Talmud, The unfinished book of the lord.
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As I said you have a right to your opinion. Have a good evening.
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Yeah whatever, you're an archetypal person, I don't even know why I bother. Keep believing in your fairytale if that makes life more bearable.
 Quoting: girl with open eyes

Well for one I didn't ask of your opinion since you are an atheist. And for two this post was for people who practice Judaism and comparing it to Christian beliefs. Get it now? Good shove off!
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Well I'll tell you one thing regarding that, Christianity seems like washed down retarded stuff compared to Judaism. Christianity is like when they explain kids that some bird brings babies and Judaism is the whole biological description of the sexual act. It's that drastic. Jews truly consider Christian beliefs utterly retarded and they have a point.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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None of this matters. It's another variant on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The only thing that "God" or the Creator or Divine Spirit or whatever you want to call this energy wants from us, is for us to treat others as we would be treated, and I would add, to be stewards over his creation and treat that well, too. That's pretty much what Jesus said, but one can believe in what Jesus said, without "worshipping" him or creating stories about virgin births. Other men have said this too. I'm not sticking up for any side here - ALL of them have it wrong because all the world's established religions are about making people afraid and controlling them. That's all.
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Jews and Catholics etc all need to unite on the New Jerusalem calendar.


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How did the New Jerusalem calendar come to you? By work? By inspiration? Found it?
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Yeah whatever, you're an archetypal person, I don't even know why I bother. Keep believing in your fairytale if that makes life more bearable.
 Quoting: girl with open eyes

Well for one I didn't ask of your opinion since you are an atheist. And for two this post was for people who practice Judaism and comparing it to Christian beliefs. Get it now? Good shove off!
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Well I'll tell you one thing regarding that, Christianity seems like washed down retarded stuff compared to Judaism. Christianity is like when they explain kids that some bird brings babies and Judaism is the whole biological description of the sexual act. It's that drastic. Jews truly consider Christian beliefs utterly retarded and they have a point.
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But according to you there is no God, so why would you believe anything that pertains to a religion?
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So if you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, who do you think is? Also the OT is in the version of the Christian Bible just as it is with the Torah. So explain to me how our Bible is not right but yours is? Just curious
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Why don't you tell me why "Christians' don't follow the Jewish holiday's, if your Messiah was Jewish? The scriptures is the first part of "The Bible", so by not following the "bible" and nothing but the bible, then why bother?

Jesus celebrated Passover, and so why don't you?
Jesus celebrated Yom Kippur, so why don't you?

This religion crap makes no sense, when "rules" are made up.
....."watch out Johnny, you're going to go to hell if you eat meat during lent?"

Stupid!
Plain outright stupid!
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Lol.....you're talking about Catholics ....they make up alot of stuff

But then again so did the Jews ....God gave the Law to Moses who then gave it to the Jews ...who then went and added to it ....espically when the Jewish people were captives in Babylon

There's all kinda of things that Jews follow today that never was in the Law of Moses
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The chicken swing!



And thus sayeth the lord swing those chickens hard!
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So if you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, who do you think is? Also the OT is in the version of the Christian Bible just as it is with the Torah. So explain to me how our Bible is not right but yours is? Just curious
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Why don't you tell me why "Christians' don't follow the Jewish holiday's, if your Messiah was Jewish? The scriptures is the first part of "The Bible", so by not following the "bible" and nothing but the bible, then why bother?

Jesus celebrated Passover, and so why don't you?
Jesus celebrated Yom Kippur, so why don't you?

This religion crap makes no sense, when "rules" are made up.
....."watch out Johnny, you're going to go to hell if you eat meat during lent?"

Stupid!
Plain outright stupid!
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Lol.....you're talking about Catholics ....they make up alot of stuff

But then again so did the Jews ....God gave the Law to Moses who then gave it to the Jews ...who then went and added to it ....espically when the Jewish people were captives in Babylon

There's all kinda of things that Jews follow today that never was in the Law of Moses
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The chicken swing!



And thus sayeth the lord swing those chickens hard!
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christ takes the sins of the world. repent and ask forgiveness.... onpen your heart and mind to the idea that the prophesies of the old testament were fulfilled .... more to come too!hf
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Why don't you tell me why "Christians' don't follow the Jewish holiday's, if your Messiah was Jewish? The scriptures is the first part of "The Bible", so by not following the "bible" and nothing but the bible, then why bother?

Jesus celebrated Passover, and so why don't you?
Jesus celebrated Yom Kippur, so why don't you?

This religion crap makes no sense, when "rules" are made up.
....."watch out Johnny, you're going to go to hell if you eat meat during lent?"

Stupid!
Plain outright stupid!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43697238


Lol.....you're talking about Catholics ....they make up alot of stuff

But then again so did the Jews ....God gave the Law to Moses who then gave it to the Jews ...who then went and added to it ....espically when the Jewish people were captives in Babylon

There's all kinda of things that Jews follow today that never was in the Law of Moses
 Quoting: Simple_Man


The chicken swing!



And thus sayeth the lord swing those chickens hard!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46841218


christ takes the sins of the world. repent and ask forgiveness.... onpen your heart and mind to the idea that the prophesies of the old testament were fulfilled .... more to come too!hf
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YES he does!
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But according to you there is no God, so why would you believe anything that pertains to a religion?
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I didn't really say that I believe there is no God, how could I possibly know that for sure? What I am totally certain of is that the version of god you believe in is merely a fairytale to keep people under control. THere's no way a rational adult can read those middle eastern bronze age superstitious silly stories and really believe it is all factual. The only way that can be brought about is by heavy indoctrination and brainwashing of a very intellectually and emotionally challenged population.

Just really think it through for a second, how did you allow all that ludicrous crap to fill your mind? I will give you the answer you're too afraid of admitting, it's because you can't accept the fact that you don't have all the answers and your ego cannot tolerate existing in such confusing realm without being able to have some set of beliefs to support itself upon. It's that simple.

So for all I care religious people just keep believing in santa for adults if that makes your life more bearable, and be in denial when someone finally comes and burt your bubble if you can't mature enough to go past it. But be certain that there's no savior to come save you from your own ignorance and cowardice. Like all religious nuts before you, you will die without seeing any second coming or any messiah, unless you count whatever BS the NWO is willing to feed your gullible selves to implement global governance in a time not too far from now (yeah, the elites also know you're dumb and how to exploit it).
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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But according to you there is no God, so why would you believe anything that pertains to a religion?
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I didn't really say that I believe there is no God, how could I possibly know that for sure? What I am totally certain of is that the version of god you believe in is merely a fairytale to keep people under control. THere's no way a rational adult can read those middle eastern bronze age superstitious silly stories and really believe it is all factual. The only way that can be brought about is by heavy indoctrination and brainwashing of a very intellectually and emotionally challenged population.

Just really think it through for a second, how did you allow all that ludicrous crap to fill your mind? I will give you the answer you're too afraid of admitting, it's because you can't accept the fact that you don't have all the answers and your ego cannot tolerate existing in such confusing realm without being able to have some set of beliefs to support itself upon. It's that simple.

So for all I care religious people just keep believing in santa for adults if that makes your life more bearable, and be in denial when someone finally comes and burt your bubble if you can't mature enough to go past it. But be certain that there's no savior to come save you from your own ignorance and cowardice. Like all religious nuts before you, you will die without seeing any second coming or any messiah, unless you count whatever BS the NWO is willing to feed your gullible selves to implement global governance in a time not too far from now (yeah, the elites also know you're dumb and how to exploit it).
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An evil power such as the NWO doesn't want anyone to think there is a God because they are Satanic, so I don't see your point in that. I'm not going to get into it with you. It's fine of you don't like my beliefs I don't have to answer to you or anyone else on here that has their head up their butt. DO you realize having faith in some higher being whether people think it's God or another name....it makes their lives a little better? To many people have had miracles happen to them, to many people have had images or sightings of the virgin Mary, or Jesus appear to them when they were in time of need. It has happened to me wide awake, it has happened to my Aunt a few days before my grandpa passed away. I had a great grandmother that spoke in tongues. I wish people would get it's not about religions that I am into it's having a relationship with Christ/God a very super power. So get off my case. You don't see me shoving the Bible down your throat do you?
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I'm not a jew but I play one on TV. Jews believe, according to their filthy Talmud, that Jesus is the son of a prostitute, currently in hell boiling in a vat of shit.

That's what your good little buddy the jew thinks of Jesus. Imagine what he must think of you.
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Jews don't believe in "hell"
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But according to you there is no God, so why would you believe anything that pertains to a religion?
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I didn't really say that I believe there is no God, how could I possibly know that for sure? What I am totally certain of is that the version of god you believe in is merely a fairytale to keep people under control. THere's no way a rational adult can read those middle eastern bronze age superstitious silly stories and really believe it is all factual. The only way that can be brought about is by heavy indoctrination and brainwashing of a very intellectually and emotionally challenged population.

Just really think it through for a second, how did you allow all that ludicrous crap to fill your mind? I will give you the answer you're too afraid of admitting, it's because you can't accept the fact that you don't have all the answers and your ego cannot tolerate existing in such confusing realm without being able to have some set of beliefs to support itself upon. It's that simple.

So for all I care religious people just keep believing in santa for adults if that makes your life more bearable, and be in denial when someone finally comes and burt your bubble if you can't mature enough to go past it. But be certain that there's no savior to come save you from your own ignorance and cowardice. Like all religious nuts before you, you will die without seeing any second coming or any messiah, unless you count whatever BS the NWO is willing to feed your gullible selves to implement global governance in a time not too far from now (yeah, the elites also know you're dumb and how to exploit it).
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


An evil power such as the NWO doesn't want anyone to think there is a God because they are Satanic, so I don't see your point in that. I'm not going to get into it with you. It's fine of you don't like my beliefs I don't have to answer to you or anyone else on here that has their head up their butt. DO you realize having faith in some higher being whether people think it's God or another name....it makes their lives a little better? To many people have had miracles happen to them, to many people have had images or sightings of the virgin Mary, or Jesus appear to them when they were in time of need. It has happened to me wide awake, it has happened to my Aunt a few days before my grandpa passed away. I had a great grandmother that spoke in tongues. I wish people would get it's not about religions that I am into it's having a relationship with Christ/God a very super power. So get off my case. You don't see me shoving the Bible down your throat do you?
 Quoting: girl with open eyes


Well you don't see me telling you to drop your silly beliefs don't you? I am saying believe whatever you want, but I ain't gonna validate your flawed perceptions either. The truth is the truth and undeniable, and it is that for 2000 years people just like you have been living their lives in expectations and absolute belief that they would get to see the day of the lord and the coming of the messiah. Before them there were other similar religions with similar expectation for thousands of years, and you know the truth_? 99 per cent didn't get to see any day of the lord or coming of the messiah, and the 1 per cent that did, well they didn't get what they had been sold.

The reality of things is that people have been making up shit from time immemorial, it's something that people naturally do. You see, there's so much we don't understand from phenomena in the realm we exist in that people are bound to make shit up when they experience something unexplainable, more so when people live in ignorant, superstitious eras. WHat do you think people would perceive were they exposed to some sort of astral body flying by earth accompanied by several smaller objects and triggering all sort of earthy calamities? Would it be some fiery dragon dispensing its wrath on the sinful humans? would it be an angry god coming to punish us for our transgressions? And what would happen if they would witness this astral object clash with another object and be vanquished? WOuld that other object be the savior that delivered mankind? The messiah in his white horse with a host of angels coming to do battle against the Beast? What would happen if these things happened cyclically every x amount of millennia and the myths of the ancestors of those who witnessed those events coincided with those of the descendants?

You see, people observe events they can't explain and they process them in a way that it's apt for their limited understanding and then they mythify them and with time these things become dogmas and humans start attributing to them their own flawed concepts. That's the origin of all these things you believe and even when you prefer to live in denial about it I will continue to communicate this vision of things because I think it's worth to do it, just as you believe it's worth it to continue spreading these absurd distorted versions of them that you believe in.

Oh and btw, the NWO is totally interested in people being religious, they just don't want a religion that's antagonistic to THEIR plans wink

Last Edited by Manu-K on 09/14/2013 02:48 PM
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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5* for good educational thread. A lot of Jewish
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explaining things, that's been my experience.
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5* for good educational thread. A lot of Jewish
people are great about answering questions and
explaining things, that's been my experience.
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Jews are smart and at least they have a much more complex mystical set of beliefs which are much closer to the old mysteries of the ancient world. I do enjoy much more listening to the Jews explaining their beliefs, even if I may not agree, than Christians repeating their old tired proselytizing lines we've all heard thousands of times already and which are totally absurd and no one except very gullible and scared individuals could find anything interesting about.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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But according to you there is no God, so why would you believe anything that pertains to a religion?
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I didn't really say that I believe there is no God, how could I possibly know that for sure? What I am totally certain of is that the version of god you believe in is merely a fairytale to keep people under control. THere's no way a rational adult can read those middle eastern bronze age superstitious silly stories and really believe it is all factual. The only way that can be brought about is by heavy indoctrination and brainwashing of a very intellectually and emotionally challenged population.

Just really think it through for a second, how did you allow all that ludicrous crap to fill your mind? I will give you the answer you're too afraid of admitting, it's because you can't accept the fact that you don't have all the answers and your ego cannot tolerate existing in such confusing realm without being able to have some set of beliefs to support itself upon. It's that simple.

So for all I care religious people just keep believing in santa for adults if that makes your life more bearable, and be in denial when someone finally comes and burt your bubble if you can't mature enough to go past it. But be certain that there's no savior to come save you from your own ignorance and cowardice. Like all religious nuts before you, you will die without seeing any second coming or any messiah, unless you count whatever BS the NWO is willing to feed your gullible selves to implement global governance in a time not too far from now (yeah, the elites also know you're dumb and how to exploit it).
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


An evil power such as the NWO doesn't want anyone to think there is a God because they are Satanic, so I don't see your point in that. I'm not going to get into it with you. It's fine of you don't like my beliefs I don't have to answer to you or anyone else on here that has their head up their butt. DO you realize having faith in some higher being whether people think it's God or another name....it makes their lives a little better? To many people have had miracles happen to them, to many people have had images or sightings of the virgin Mary, or Jesus appear to them when they were in time of need. It has happened to me wide awake, it has happened to my Aunt a few days before my grandpa passed away. I had a great grandmother that spoke in tongues. I wish people would get it's not about religions that I am into it's having a relationship with Christ/God a very super power. So get off my case. You don't see me shoving the Bible down your throat do you?
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Well you don't see me telling you to drop your silly beliefs don't you? I am saying believe whatever you want, but I ain't gonna validate your flawed perceptions either. The truth is the truth and undeniable, and it is that for 2000 years people just like you have been living their lives in expectations and absolute belief that they would get to see the day of the lord and the coming of the messiah. Before them there were other similar religions with similar expectation for thousands of years, and you know the truth_? 99 per cent didn't get to see any day of the lord or coming of the messiah, and the 1 per cent that did, well they didn't get what they had been sold.

The reality of things is that people have been making up shit from time immemorial, it's something that people naturally do. You see, there's so much we don't understand from phenomena in the realm we exist in that people are bound to make shit up when they experience something unexplainable, more so when people live in ignorant, superstitious eras. WHat do you think people would perceive were they exposed to some sort of astral body flying by earth accompanied by several smaller objects and triggering all sort of earthy calamities? Would it be some fiery dragon dispensing its wrath on the sinful humans? would it be an angry god coming to punish us for our transgressions? And what would happen if they would witness this astral object clash with another object and be vanquished? WOuld that other object be the savior that delivered mankind? The messiah in his white horse with a host of angels coming to do battle against the Beast? What would happen if these things happened cyclically every x amount of millennia and the myths of the ancestors of those who witnessed those events coincided with those of the descendants?

You see, people observe events they can't explain and they process them in a way that it's apt for their limited understanding and then they mythify them and with time these things become dogmas and humans start attributing to them their own flawed concepts. That's the origin of all these things you believe and even when you prefer to live in denial about it I will continue to communicate this vision of things because I think it's worth to do it, just as you believe it's worth it to continue spreading these absurd distorted versions of them that you believe in.

Oh and btw, the NWO is totally interested in people being religious, they just don't want a religion that's antagonistic to THEIR plans wink
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I don't think that the book of Revelation is to be taken literally as if a real dragon is going to come down and breathe it's wrath on us. I think it's a metaphorical way of something else. And I don't think anyone is really truly going to understand that. I have no problem talking about what is possible. But it's for me to choose what's real or not. I don't claim to know everything about the Bible and religion but I find it fascinating and I do believe the Bible is a true historical book from things of the past.
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I didn't really say that I believe there is no God, how could I possibly know that for sure? What I am totally certain of is that the version of god you believe in is merely a fairytale to keep people under control. THere's no way a rational adult can read those middle eastern bronze age superstitious silly stories and really believe it is all factual. The only way that can be brought about is by heavy indoctrination and brainwashing of a very intellectually and emotionally challenged population.

Just really think it through for a second, how did you allow all that ludicrous crap to fill your mind? I will give you the answer you're too afraid of admitting, it's because you can't accept the fact that you don't have all the answers and your ego cannot tolerate existing in such confusing realm without being able to have some set of beliefs to support itself upon. It's that simple.

So for all I care religious people just keep believing in santa for adults if that makes your life more bearable, and be in denial when someone finally comes and burt your bubble if you can't mature enough to go past it. But be certain that there's no savior to come save you from your own ignorance and cowardice. Like all religious nuts before you, you will die without seeing any second coming or any messiah, unless you count whatever BS the NWO is willing to feed your gullible selves to implement global governance in a time not too far from now (yeah, the elites also know you're dumb and how to exploit it).
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An evil power such as the NWO doesn't want anyone to think there is a God because they are Satanic, so I don't see your point in that. I'm not going to get into it with you. It's fine of you don't like my beliefs I don't have to answer to you or anyone else on here that has their head up their butt. DO you realize having faith in some higher being whether people think it's God or another name....it makes their lives a little better? To many people have had miracles happen to them, to many people have had images or sightings of the virgin Mary, or Jesus appear to them when they were in time of need. It has happened to me wide awake, it has happened to my Aunt a few days before my grandpa passed away. I had a great grandmother that spoke in tongues. I wish people would get it's not about religions that I am into it's having a relationship with Christ/God a very super power. So get off my case. You don't see me shoving the Bible down your throat do you?
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Well you don't see me telling you to drop your silly beliefs don't you? I am saying believe whatever you want, but I ain't gonna validate your flawed perceptions either. The truth is the truth and undeniable, and it is that for 2000 years people just like you have been living their lives in expectations and absolute belief that they would get to see the day of the lord and the coming of the messiah. Before them there were other similar religions with similar expectation for thousands of years, and you know the truth_? 99 per cent didn't get to see any day of the lord or coming of the messiah, and the 1 per cent that did, well they didn't get what they had been sold.

The reality of things is that people have been making up shit from time immemorial, it's something that people naturally do. You see, there's so much we don't understand from phenomena in the realm we exist in that people are bound to make shit up when they experience something unexplainable, more so when people live in ignorant, superstitious eras. WHat do you think people would perceive were they exposed to some sort of astral body flying by earth accompanied by several smaller objects and triggering all sort of earthy calamities? Would it be some fiery dragon dispensing its wrath on the sinful humans? would it be an angry god coming to punish us for our transgressions? And what would happen if they would witness this astral object clash with another object and be vanquished? WOuld that other object be the savior that delivered mankind? The messiah in his white horse with a host of angels coming to do battle against the Beast? What would happen if these things happened cyclically every x amount of millennia and the myths of the ancestors of those who witnessed those events coincided with those of the descendants?

You see, people observe events they can't explain and they process them in a way that it's apt for their limited understanding and then they mythify them and with time these things become dogmas and humans start attributing to them their own flawed concepts. That's the origin of all these things you believe and even when you prefer to live in denial about it I will continue to communicate this vision of things because I think it's worth to do it, just as you believe it's worth it to continue spreading these absurd distorted versions of them that you believe in.

Oh and btw, the NWO is totally interested in people being religious, they just don't want a religion that's antagonistic to THEIR plans wink
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I don't think that the book of Revelation is to be taken literally as if a real dragon is going to come down and breathe it's wrath on us. I think it's a metaphorical way of something else. And I don't think anyone is really truly going to understand that. I have no problem talking about what is possible. But it's for me to choose what's real or not. I don't claim to know everything about the Bible and religion but I find it fascinating and I do believe the Bible is a true historical book from things of the past.
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YEs to both counts, it is all metaphorical and it's all based on real history, but unless you have the key to really know what it means you're meant to end up in a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings with religion can turn very dangerous. Back then in the ancient world truths had to be protected from the profane because were they to end up in their power they'd quickly be distorted and used for the wrong purposes. Unfortunately this method of saving the mysteries in obscure metaphorical writings turned into a very bad idea when the ignorant began taking those writings literally and twisted them to their own very dark agendas.
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An evil power such as the NWO doesn't want anyone to think there is a God because they are Satanic, so I don't see your point in that. I'm not going to get into it with you. It's fine of you don't like my beliefs I don't have to answer to you or anyone else on here that has their head up their butt. DO you realize having faith in some higher being whether people think it's God or another name....it makes their lives a little better? To many people have had miracles happen to them, to many people have had images or sightings of the virgin Mary, or Jesus appear to them when they were in time of need. It has happened to me wide awake, it has happened to my Aunt a few days before my grandpa passed away. I had a great grandmother that spoke in tongues. I wish people would get it's not about religions that I am into it's having a relationship with Christ/God a very super power. So get off my case. You don't see me shoving the Bible down your throat do you?
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Well you don't see me telling you to drop your silly beliefs don't you? I am saying believe whatever you want, but I ain't gonna validate your flawed perceptions either. The truth is the truth and undeniable, and it is that for 2000 years people just like you have been living their lives in expectations and absolute belief that they would get to see the day of the lord and the coming of the messiah. Before them there were other similar religions with similar expectation for thousands of years, and you know the truth_? 99 per cent didn't get to see any day of the lord or coming of the messiah, and the 1 per cent that did, well they didn't get what they had been sold.

The reality of things is that people have been making up shit from time immemorial, it's something that people naturally do. You see, there's so much we don't understand from phenomena in the realm we exist in that people are bound to make shit up when they experience something unexplainable, more so when people live in ignorant, superstitious eras. WHat do you think people would perceive were they exposed to some sort of astral body flying by earth accompanied by several smaller objects and triggering all sort of earthy calamities? Would it be some fiery dragon dispensing its wrath on the sinful humans? would it be an angry god coming to punish us for our transgressions? And what would happen if they would witness this astral object clash with another object and be vanquished? WOuld that other object be the savior that delivered mankind? The messiah in his white horse with a host of angels coming to do battle against the Beast? What would happen if these things happened cyclically every x amount of millennia and the myths of the ancestors of those who witnessed those events coincided with those of the descendants?

You see, people observe events they can't explain and they process them in a way that it's apt for their limited understanding and then they mythify them and with time these things become dogmas and humans start attributing to them their own flawed concepts. That's the origin of all these things you believe and even when you prefer to live in denial about it I will continue to communicate this vision of things because I think it's worth to do it, just as you believe it's worth it to continue spreading these absurd distorted versions of them that you believe in.

Oh and btw, the NWO is totally interested in people being religious, they just don't want a religion that's antagonistic to THEIR plans wink
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I don't think that the book of Revelation is to be taken literally as if a real dragon is going to come down and breathe it's wrath on us. I think it's a metaphorical way of something else. And I don't think anyone is really truly going to understand that. I have no problem talking about what is possible. But it's for me to choose what's real or not. I don't claim to know everything about the Bible and religion but I find it fascinating and I do believe the Bible is a true historical book from things of the past.
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YEs to both counts, it is all metaphorical and it's all based on real history, but unless you have the key to really know what it means you're meant to end up in a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings with religion can turn very dangerous. Back then in the ancient world truths had to be protected from the profane because were they to end up in their power they'd quickly be distorted and used for the wrong purposes. Unfortunately this method of saving the mysteries in obscure metaphorical writings turned into a very bad idea when the ignorant began taking those writings literally and twisted them to their own very dark agendas.
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That's exactly what happened, the profane got their hands on the Bible
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An evil power such as the NWO doesn't want anyone to think there is a God because they are Satanic, so I don't see your point in that. I'm not going to get into it with you. It's fine of you don't like my beliefs I don't have to answer to you or anyone else on here that has their head up their butt. DO you realize having faith in some higher being whether people think it's God or another name....it makes their lives a little better? To many people have had miracles happen to them, to many people have had images or sightings of the virgin Mary, or Jesus appear to them when they were in time of need. It has happened to me wide awake, it has happened to my Aunt a few days before my grandpa passed away. I had a great grandmother that spoke in tongues. I wish people would get it's not about religions that I am into it's having a relationship with Christ/God a very super power. So get off my case. You don't see me shoving the Bible down your throat do you?
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Well you don't see me telling you to drop your silly beliefs don't you? I am saying believe whatever you want, but I ain't gonna validate your flawed perceptions either. The truth is the truth and undeniable, and it is that for 2000 years people just like you have been living their lives in expectations and absolute belief that they would get to see the day of the lord and the coming of the messiah. Before them there were other similar religions with similar expectation for thousands of years, and you know the truth_? 99 per cent didn't get to see any day of the lord or coming of the messiah, and the 1 per cent that did, well they didn't get what they had been sold.

The reality of things is that people have been making up shit from time immemorial, it's something that people naturally do. You see, there's so much we don't understand from phenomena in the realm we exist in that people are bound to make shit up when they experience something unexplainable, more so when people live in ignorant, superstitious eras. WHat do you think people would perceive were they exposed to some sort of astral body flying by earth accompanied by several smaller objects and triggering all sort of earthy calamities? Would it be some fiery dragon dispensing its wrath on the sinful humans? would it be an angry god coming to punish us for our transgressions? And what would happen if they would witness this astral object clash with another object and be vanquished? WOuld that other object be the savior that delivered mankind? The messiah in his white horse with a host of angels coming to do battle against the Beast? What would happen if these things happened cyclically every x amount of millennia and the myths of the ancestors of those who witnessed those events coincided with those of the descendants?

You see, people observe events they can't explain and they process them in a way that it's apt for their limited understanding and then they mythify them and with time these things become dogmas and humans start attributing to them their own flawed concepts. That's the origin of all these things you believe and even when you prefer to live in denial about it I will continue to communicate this vision of things because I think it's worth to do it, just as you believe it's worth it to continue spreading these absurd distorted versions of them that you believe in.

Oh and btw, the NWO is totally interested in people being religious, they just don't want a religion that's antagonistic to THEIR plans wink
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I don't think that the book of Revelation is to be taken literally as if a real dragon is going to come down and breathe it's wrath on us. I think it's a metaphorical way of something else. And I don't think anyone is really truly going to understand that. I have no problem talking about what is possible. But it's for me to choose what's real or not. I don't claim to know everything about the Bible and religion but I find it fascinating and I do believe the Bible is a true historical book from things of the past.
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YEs to both counts, it is all metaphorical and it's all based on real history, but unless you have the key to really know what it means you're meant to end up in a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings with religion can turn very dangerous. Back then in the ancient world truths had to be protected from the profane because were they to end up in their power they'd quickly be distorted and used for the wrong purposes. Unfortunately this method of saving the mysteries in obscure metaphorical writings turned into a very bad idea when the ignorant began taking those writings literally and twisted them to their own very dark agendas.
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I never denied that religions can twist things. One I think is complete evil is Roman Catholics. I don't go all into the religions. I don't think non-believers get that you need to just be a good and decent person and believe me from reading things on here there are many that aren't. Then you have "true Christians" that aren't either. I think the whole point of the Bible is to be the best you can be. What really gets me on here is you get judged for your views and I hate that with a passion.
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Well you don't see me telling you to drop your silly beliefs don't you? I am saying believe whatever you want, but I ain't gonna validate your flawed perceptions either. The truth is the truth and undeniable, and it is that for 2000 years people just like you have been living their lives in expectations and absolute belief that they would get to see the day of the lord and the coming of the messiah. Before them there were other similar religions with similar expectation for thousands of years, and you know the truth_? 99 per cent didn't get to see any day of the lord or coming of the messiah, and the 1 per cent that did, well they didn't get what they had been sold.

The reality of things is that people have been making up shit from time immemorial, it's something that people naturally do. You see, there's so much we don't understand from phenomena in the realm we exist in that people are bound to make shit up when they experience something unexplainable, more so when people live in ignorant, superstitious eras. WHat do you think people would perceive were they exposed to some sort of astral body flying by earth accompanied by several smaller objects and triggering all sort of earthy calamities? Would it be some fiery dragon dispensing its wrath on the sinful humans? would it be an angry god coming to punish us for our transgressions? And what would happen if they would witness this astral object clash with another object and be vanquished? WOuld that other object be the savior that delivered mankind? The messiah in his white horse with a host of angels coming to do battle against the Beast? What would happen if these things happened cyclically every x amount of millennia and the myths of the ancestors of those who witnessed those events coincided with those of the descendants?

You see, people observe events they can't explain and they process them in a way that it's apt for their limited understanding and then they mythify them and with time these things become dogmas and humans start attributing to them their own flawed concepts. That's the origin of all these things you believe and even when you prefer to live in denial about it I will continue to communicate this vision of things because I think it's worth to do it, just as you believe it's worth it to continue spreading these absurd distorted versions of them that you believe in.

Oh and btw, the NWO is totally interested in people being religious, they just don't want a religion that's antagonistic to THEIR plans wink
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


I don't think that the book of Revelation is to be taken literally as if a real dragon is going to come down and breathe it's wrath on us. I think it's a metaphorical way of something else. And I don't think anyone is really truly going to understand that. I have no problem talking about what is possible. But it's for me to choose what's real or not. I don't claim to know everything about the Bible and religion but I find it fascinating and I do believe the Bible is a true historical book from things of the past.
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YEs to both counts, it is all metaphorical and it's all based on real history, but unless you have the key to really know what it means you're meant to end up in a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings with religion can turn very dangerous. Back then in the ancient world truths had to be protected from the profane because were they to end up in their power they'd quickly be distorted and used for the wrong purposes. Unfortunately this method of saving the mysteries in obscure metaphorical writings turned into a very bad idea when the ignorant began taking those writings literally and twisted them to their own very dark agendas.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren

I never denied that religions can twist things. One I think is complete evil is Roman Catholics. I don't go all into the religions. I don't think non-believers get that you need to just be a good and decent person and believe me from reading things on here there are many that aren't. Then you have "true Christians" that aren't either. I think the whole point of the Bible is to be the best you can be. What really gets me on here is you get judged for your views and I hate that with a passion.
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I've always believed it's better to study religion than become a believer in religion. That way you can always take out all the best you find in all religion and become immune to the bad. There's a lot of unnecessary stuff in most big religions that do most harm than good to the average person. Most people are very limited and most of those precepts, rules and threats of punishment end up create more hysteria and badly repressed impulses that end up surfacing in undesirable ways than anything good. People end up embracing their religion as if it was their sports team or country flag and it develops in them feelings of animosity towards others who don't believe in the same thing. Brutish masses aroused by these primitive feelings perpetuate the cycle of conflict that does precisely all the harm we all want to escape from.

PEople don't need so many books of useless fables to know that their real purpose in here is to become the best they can be, do good onto others and leave this place a bit better than they found it.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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That's exactly what happened, the profane got their hands on the Bible
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Exactly. I'd be confident to say their scheme failed big time.
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I don't think that the book of Revelation is to be taken literally as if a real dragon is going to come down and breathe it's wrath on us. I think it's a metaphorical way of something else. And I don't think anyone is really truly going to understand that. I have no problem talking about what is possible. But it's for me to choose what's real or not. I don't claim to know everything about the Bible and religion but I find it fascinating and I do believe the Bible is a true historical book from things of the past.
 Quoting: girl with open eyes


YEs to both counts, it is all metaphorical and it's all based on real history, but unless you have the key to really know what it means you're meant to end up in a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings with religion can turn very dangerous. Back then in the ancient world truths had to be protected from the profane because were they to end up in their power they'd quickly be distorted and used for the wrong purposes. Unfortunately this method of saving the mysteries in obscure metaphorical writings turned into a very bad idea when the ignorant began taking those writings literally and twisted them to their own very dark agendas.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren

I never denied that religions can twist things. One I think is complete evil is Roman Catholics. I don't go all into the religions. I don't think non-believers get that you need to just be a good and decent person and believe me from reading things on here there are many that aren't. Then you have "true Christians" that aren't either. I think the whole point of the Bible is to be the best you can be. What really gets me on here is you get judged for your views and I hate that with a passion.
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I've always believed it's better to study religion than become a believer in religion. That way you can always take out all the best you find in all religion and become immune to the bad. There's a lot of unnecessary stuff in most big religions that do most harm than good to the average person. Most people are very limited and most of those precepts, rules and threats of punishment end up create more hysteria and badly repressed impulses that end up surfacing in undesirable ways than anything good. People end up embracing their religion as if it was their sports team or country flag and it develops in them feelings of animosity towards others who don't believe in the same thing. Brutish masses aroused by these primitive feelings perpetuate the cycle of conflict that does precisely all the harm we all want to escape from.

PEople don't need so many books of useless fables to know that their real purpose in here is to become the best they can be, do good onto others and leave this place a bit better than they found it.
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I wish that were true but you won't see that happening anytime soon, yes there are really wonderful people still. But as you can see the world is just getting worse by the year. SO much hate on here and out in the world.
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When Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" he did not not mean I, this person living in this place and in this time. He did not mean I as in me, this unique me.

He meant the "I" that is in everyone. The I that is the true you and the true me - the I that is our center - that and only that is the "The Way, The Truth and the Life."

Not the body, not the mind, not the will. Not education or money. Not family. Not religion. Not ethnicity. Not nationality. Not faith. Not somebody else that lived long ago or will come back way in the future.

The I that is The Way is the center of your being. The center that is everywhere and nowhere. The part of you that you rarely truly listen to and can only hear when you quiet yourself and are still such that "Be Still and Know that I am God"

The Messiah is and has always been here and always will be here. There is no Person that will save you, no God come down from heaven - because you were never lost to begin with. You were only asleep and now need to wake up and listen and be.
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YEs to both counts, it is all metaphorical and it's all based on real history, but unless you have the key to really know what it means you're meant to end up in a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings with religion can turn very dangerous. Back then in the ancient world truths had to be protected from the profane because were they to end up in their power they'd quickly be distorted and used for the wrong purposes. Unfortunately this method of saving the mysteries in obscure metaphorical writings turned into a very bad idea when the ignorant began taking those writings literally and twisted them to their own very dark agendas.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren

I never denied that religions can twist things. One I think is complete evil is Roman Catholics. I don't go all into the religions. I don't think non-believers get that you need to just be a good and decent person and believe me from reading things on here there are many that aren't. Then you have "true Christians" that aren't either. I think the whole point of the Bible is to be the best you can be. What really gets me on here is you get judged for your views and I hate that with a passion.
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I've always believed it's better to study religion than become a believer in religion. That way you can always take out all the best you find in all religion and become immune to the bad. There's a lot of unnecessary stuff in most big religions that do most harm than good to the average person. Most people are very limited and most of those precepts, rules and threats of punishment end up create more hysteria and badly repressed impulses that end up surfacing in undesirable ways than anything good. People end up embracing their religion as if it was their sports team or country flag and it develops in them feelings of animosity towards others who don't believe in the same thing. Brutish masses aroused by these primitive feelings perpetuate the cycle of conflict that does precisely all the harm we all want to escape from.

PEople don't need so many books of useless fables to know that their real purpose in here is to become the best they can be, do good onto others and leave this place a bit better than they found it.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren

I wish that were true but you won't see that happening anytime soon, yes there are really wonderful people still. But as you can see the world is just getting worse by the year. SO much hate on here and out in the world.
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Well don't be overwhelmed, we're supposed to struggle in this realm. If everything was perfect and sweet what would be the purpose? You wouldn't know how to appreciate anything good if all desirable things were just handed to you wink
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When Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" he did not not mean I, this person living in this place and in this time. He did not mean I as in me, this unique me.

He meant the "I" that is in everyone. The I that is the true you and the true me - the I that is our center - that and only that is the "The Way, The Truth and the Life."

Not the body, not the mind, not the will. Not education or money. Not family. Not religion. Not ethnicity. Not nationality. Not faith. Not somebody else that lived long ago or will come back way in the future.

The I that is The Way is the center of your being. The center that is everywhere and nowhere. The part of you that you rarely truly listen to and can only hear when you quiet yourself and are still such that "Be Still and Know that I am God"

The Messiah is and has always been here and always will be here. There is no Person that will save you, no God come down from heaven - because you were never lost to begin with. You were only asleep and now need to wake up and listen and be.

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