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SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING REPORT

 
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The shooter interred through the front door and headed for the Principals Hochsprung office. She is most likely deceased by this time and the shooter has moved on passed Roig's classroom to Rousseau’s claseroom and then to Soto's classroom. Is it safe to assume that between 9:35 and 9:40 the shooter is still alive? This is my hypothesis. [edit]

I want to break this part down. If someone else has something to contribute feel free.
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The shooter interred through the front door and headed for the Principals Hochsprung office. She is most likely deceased by this time and the shooter has moved on passed Roig's classroom to Rousseau’s claseroom and then to Soto's classroom. Is it safe to assume that between 9:35 and 9:40 the shooter is still alive? This is my hypothesis. [edit]

I want to break this part down. If someone else has something to contribute feel free.
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When I say Hochsrung is deceased by this time, I mean by 9:35.
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This part of our report will start at the school. The shooting of Nancy Lanza will be covered later in the report.

Dec 14, 2012

So lets say the shooting at the school started around 9:20 because thats when the first witness reported hearing shots. (Gene) Whether crazy or not he did report hearing gunfire around that time.

It makes sense because the it takes time to assess a situation and then call it in to 911. The teacher who arrived late may have been the one who called 911. Does anyone remember her name?
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Before you get too far into it, you may want to change the date? Getting it wrong from the beginning will damage any good you try to do.
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Thanks. I missed that but as long as you know that's all that matters.
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So I am saying if the shooter entered the school before 9:35 then he may have already killed Hochsprunge and moved on to classroom 2 and 3. He wasn't able to get in first classroom so he began shooting kids in the next classroom which was Rousseau's. That is my understanding. [edit]
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This is also the time they reported the janitor was running down the hallway warning people to lock doors or locking doors himself. This part is unclear. We don't know the janitors name either.
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Ted Varga (one of the teachers) stuck his head out his classroom door and smelled (tasted) gun powder so the story goes. He helped some of his kids escape and then came back to rescue two other teachers in the conference room by removing a board from a window which they then climbed through to safety. Still working on the 9:35-40 timeframe
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If you look at the very first words to come out of school personnel/the district--who can be rightly expected to not want any deficiencies known--I believe almost from day one there were the "doors locked automatically" and "new security system" mantras, as well as the constant emphasis that the shooters entered AFTER 9:30.

So if they're protesting too much, one has to examine the possibility that shooters walked in unopposed either because they came before 9:30, were known to staff, were dressed as clergy, or all three.
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It's also possible that someone lackadaisically buzzed them in, is somewhat liable for the incident, and wants to hide that fact.
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8:30AM- The actors check in.
9:30AM- The media reports a fake shooting
10:00AM- Those involved cash their million dollar checks and wait for more to come in from charity
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Some of the children hid in closets and bathrooms. Only those visible to him were targets. The shooter used hundreds of rounds of ammunition. And this is the contentious part (The rifle used was a Bushmaster .223-caliber)

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Okay I'll play along.

First thing you need to remember is the event starts 9:30.
Why is this important?

Because they need to explain why "Adam" had to shoot his way in. Remember the doors are open until then. Since the classes start at 9:30 that is when they lock the doors and begin class.

Don't go thinking he was just out to shoot anything because the police state that he forced his way into the school.


Anytime before 9:30 and there are still parents dropping kids off and buses bringing kids in. Someone would have noticed a dude in a black car park in the " no parking " zone...and he would have been a little too obvious toting all that firepower walking up to the door. Aside from the fact that the teachers would not be in meetings yet since before 9:30 the would still be getting kids in classes and all the hubbub that takes place before the bell rings.

So the event has to start at or after 9:30 or the whole story loses even more credibility.
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8:30AM- The actors check in.
9:30AM- The media reports a fake shooting
10:00AM- Those involved cash their million dollar checks and wait for more to come in from charity
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10:01AM- Politicians start pushing gun control and pull out the legislation they had written up years earlier awaiting just such an occasion

10:02AM- GLP calls their bluff and nobody buys their phony bullshit.
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Gov. Dannel Malloy said the shooter decided to kill himself when he heard police closing in about 10 minutes into the attack. "We surmise that it was during the second classroom episode that he heard responders coming and apparently at that decided to take his own life," Malloy said on ABC's "This Week." Police said they found hundreds of unused bullets at the school, which enrolled about 450 students in kindergarten through fourth grade.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

I only reference this article as a starting point. Feel free to add your 2 cents
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"The chief medical examiner has said the ammunition was a type designed to expend its energy in the victim's tissues and stay inside the body to inflict the maximum amount of damage."

OP: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???


The quote is from the same article I referenced above.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]






AGAIN: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???
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Gov. Dannel Malloy said the shooter decided to kill himself when he heard police closing in about 10 minutes into the attack. "We surmise that it was during the second classroom episode that he heard responders coming and apparently at that decided to take his own life," Malloy said on ABC's "This Week." Police said they found hundreds of unused bullets at the school, which enrolled about 450 students in kindergarten through fourth grade.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

I only reference this article as a starting point. Feel free to add your 2 cents
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This is not an official timeline. This is surmising. He can pontificate because he is the governor but he is not quoting any official source.

According to the official report 5 minutes after the shooting started it was over.
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[link to www.google.com]

So he was in the second classroom out of the two he entered, heard police coming and popped a few shots at them and hit this green Honda. ?
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"The chief medical examiner has said the ammunition was a type designed to expend its energy in the victim's tissues and stay inside the body to inflict the maximum amount of damage."

OP: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???


The quote is from the same article I referenced above.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]



It means they needed to use terms to make it seem like it was just a monster hell bent on doing the most damage possible. Carver only said these words to stay with the storyline but to not open up the discussion on what type of ammo was actually used because most would be able to tell you if he was right or not.


AGAIN: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???
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Okay I'll play along.

First thing you need to remember is the event starts 9:30.
Why is this important?

Because they need to explain why "Adam" had to shoot his way in. Remember the doors are open until then. Since the classes start at 9:30 that is when they lock the doors and begin class.

Don't go thinking he was just out to shoot anything because the police state that he forced his way into the school.


Anytime before 9:30 and there are still parents dropping kids off and buses bringing kids in. Someone would have noticed a dude in a black car park in the " no parking " zone...and he would have been a little too obvious toting all that firepower walking up to the door. Aside from the fact that the teachers would not be in meetings yet since before 9:30 the would still be getting kids in classes and all the hubbub that takes place before the bell rings.

So the event has to start at or after 9:30 or the whole story loses even more credibility.
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Yes I know a school bus driver and what you say makes sense.

He probably would have drawn attention before 9:30 and ire from the bus drivers.
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"The chief medical examiner has said the ammunition was a type designed to expend its energy in the victim's tissues and stay inside the body to inflict the maximum amount of damage."

OP: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???


The quote is from the same article I referenced above.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]



It means they needed to use terms to make it seem like it was just a monster hell bent on doing the most damage possible. Carver only said these words to stay with the storyline but to not open up the discussion on what type of ammo was actually used because most would be able to tell you if he was right or not.


AGAIN: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???
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Hollow point bullets are mean bastard bullets. They expand while they enter the body. Is that what he means when he says the energy expands as it enters the tissue?

Why do they even make Hollow point bullets?

This should be examined further.
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"The chief medical examiner has said the ammunition was a type designed to expend its energy in the victim's tissues and stay inside the body to inflict the maximum amount of damage."

OP: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???


The quote is from the same article I referenced above.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]



It means they needed to use terms to make it seem like it was just a monster hell bent on doing the most damage possible. Carver only said these words to stay with the storyline but to not open up the discussion on what type of ammo was actually used because most would be able to tell you if he was right or not.


AGAIN: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???
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 Quoting: Dudeashane


Hollow point bullets are mean bastard bullets. They expand while they enter the body. Is that what he means when he says the energy expands as it enters the tissue?

Why do they even make Hollow point bullets?

This should be examined further.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31483651


Red herring. No offense but you must be new. We have already explored this and it is a path that means nothing.

Type of bullets do not matter. What matters is the timeline presented as official does not work and the " eyewitness" accounts are all at odds with it.

If you really want to walk aimlessly down a path that leads to nowhere tell me what second floor Carver had not gotten to for the bodies to be examined.
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Here is the link for your reference.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Start at the 2 minute mark. There is no second floor so maybe you can figure out what he meant.

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If you really want to walk aimlessly down a path that leads to nowhere tell me what second floor Carver had not gotten to for the bodies to be examined.
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I thought that the "Magnificent Thing" was a double decker camper bus / chuckwagon / mobile examination station ?
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If you really want to walk aimlessly down a path that leads to nowhere tell me what second floor Carver had not gotten to for the bodies to be examined.
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I thought that the "Magnificent Thing" was a double decker camper bus / chuckwagon / mobile examination station ?
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Funny! Did you notice the pics with all the guys walking around it and the camper carrying sub sandwiches?
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Here is the link for your reference.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Start at the 2 minute mark. There is no second floor so maybe you can figure out what he meant.

hiding
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Did someone claim there was a 2nd floor?
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Here is the link for your reference.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Start at the 2 minute mark. There is no second floor so maybe you can figure out what he meant.

hiding
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Did someone claim there was a 2nd floor?
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Carver did. He said his technicians were on the second floor and he did not get there yet. From 2 minute mark to 2:50 he sets it up nicely so there is no way to misunderstand where he is talking about.
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If you really want to walk aimlessly down a path that leads to nowhere tell me what second floor Carver had not gotten to for the bodies to be examined.
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I thought that the "Magnificent Thing" was a double decker camper bus / chuckwagon / mobile examination station ?
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Funny! Did you notice the pics with all the guys walking around it and the camper carrying sub sandwiches?
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LOLZ. I will comment about sandy hook crisis food . But back to silly ass Carver and his 2 nd floor statement. I thinks he might be referring to Farmington , that is where they took all the bodies to at 1 in the morning. . You know what they say here. Pics or it didn't happen, cool story bro.
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"The chief medical examiner has said the ammunition was a type designed to expend its energy in the victim's tissues and stay inside the body to inflict the maximum amount of damage."

OP: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???


The quote is from the same article I referenced above.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]



It means they needed to use terms to make it seem like it was just a monster hell bent on doing the most damage possible. Carver only said these words to stay with the storyline but to not open up the discussion on what type of ammo was actually used because most would be able to tell you if he was right or not.


AGAIN: Does that mean the shooter used hollow point bullets???
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 Quoting: Dudeashane


Hollow point bullets are mean bastard bullets. They expand while they enter the body. Is that what he means when he says the energy expands as it enters the tissue?

Why do they even make Hollow point bullets?

This should be examined further.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31483651


Red herring. No offense but you must be new. We have already explored this and it is a path that means nothing.

Type of bullets do not matter. What matters is the timeline presented as official does not work and the " eyewitness" accounts are all at odds with it.

If you really want to walk aimlessly down a path that leads to nowhere tell me what second floor Carver had not gotten to for the bodies to be examined.
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The type of bullets matter to me. You second floor question looks more like a red herring. Sorry
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[link to m.youtube.com] This video here is worth talking about in their timeline
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I have to ask why someone would think this is a waste of time. The type of bullet does matter. That would answer a lot of other questions too like why there was such a high kill ratio and how far the bullets travel among others. All my questions are pertinent. And NO, I am not new here.
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I have to ask why someone would think this is a waste of time. The type of bullet does matter. That would answer a lot of other questions too like why there was such a high kill ratio and how far the bullets travel among others. All my questions are pertinent. And NO, I am not new here.
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I does matter. What kind of bullest hit that green Honda in the parking lot. ..?

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