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SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING REPORT

 
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Hollow points are MORE lethal. They travel a shorter distance once inside the body. They have a higher kill ratio because they cause more damage. If this is the bullet used we should examine it further.
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I have to ask why someone would think this is a waste of time. The type of bullet does matter. That would answer a lot of other questions too like why there was such a high kill ratio and how far the bullets travel among others. All my questions are pertinent. And NO, I am not new here.
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I have to agree the "bullets" are not the major concern, the concern is how a kid whose only experience is playing video games can be such a crack shot to hit all his targets - dead, no surviving victims other than the supposed adults, in such a short window of time. Not even Rambo could have pulled this off.
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[link to m.youtube.com] This video here is worth talking about in their timeline
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It is fascinating because there are kids running down the road in her story but she walks to the door to find another mom standing there. I guess with the glass broken out and it so quiet you just wait for the other mom to show up and not worry about the kids LMAO.

So to embellish the " timeline " these two moms would have had to arrive before the shooting paused. According to the dispatch this was at the most 2 minutes and ended almost 30 seconds after the shooting started again.

So the first mom did not hear any shooting? She was standing there. She did not hear any commotion? No janitor yelling to lock the doors? No janitor telling the shooter to put the gun down?
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I have to ask why someone would think this is a waste of time. The type of bullet does matter. That would answer a lot of other questions too like why there was such a high kill ratio and how far the bullets travel among others. All my questions are pertinent. And NO, I am not new here.
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I does matter. What kind of bullest hit that green Honda in the parking lot. ..?
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What's the type of bullet used?

These kinds of questions are always asked in an investigation and if they know the answer it will be in the police report.

It's standard procedure.
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I have to ask why someone would think this is a waste of time. The type of bullet does matter. That would answer a lot of other questions too like why there was such a high kill ratio and how far the bullets travel among others. All my questions are pertinent. And NO, I am not new here.
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I have to agree the "bullets" are not the major concern, the concern is how a kid whose only experience is playing video games can be such a crack shot to hit all his targets - dead, no surviving victims other than the supposed adults, in such a short window of time. Not even Rambo could have pulled this off.
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Hollow points (if used) would answer part of your question. It's standard procedure to try and determine the type and caliber of bullet used in any investigation.
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[link to m.youtube.com] This video here is worth talking about in their timeline
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It is fascinating because there are kids running down the road in her story but she walks to the door to find another mom standing there. I guess with the glass broken out and it so quiet you just wait for the other mom to show up and not worry about the kids LMAO.

So to embellish the " timeline " these two moms would have had to arrive before the shooting paused. According to the dispatch this was at the most 2 minutes and ended almost 30 seconds after the shooting started again.

So the first mom did not hear any shooting? She was standing there. She did not hear any commotion? No janitor yelling to lock the doors? No janitor telling the shooter to put the gun down?
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Good stuff. Look I am not saying I know everything. In fact I want other to try and pick this report apart. Maybe we'll all learn something in the process.
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I have to ask why someone would think this is a waste of time. The type of bullet does matter. That would answer a lot of other questions too like why there was such a high kill ratio and how far the bullets travel among others. All my questions are pertinent. And NO, I am not new here.
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I have to agree the "bullets" are not the major concern, the concern is how a kid whose only experience is playing video games can be such a crack shot to hit all his targets - dead, no surviving victims other than the supposed adults, in such a short window of time. Not even Rambo could have pulled this off.
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And that is the point.
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This is how I remember some of the facts presented by the media and the police. That isn't saying it's all 100 percent truthful or accurate. I want people to ask questions. Make edits.
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I am thinking the 911 caller could have been the teacher that arrived late. Is that possible?
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This is how I remember some of the facts presented by the media and the police. That isn't saying it's all 100 percent truthful or accurate. I want people to ask questions. Make edits.
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Nothing wrong with that. The authorities still have not given a good accounting of the timeline nor the who, what, why and how of the event. That is the task at hand. They cannot give ample evidence of anything other than a drill taking place.
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At 9:38 it was reported the school was in lockdown. Is this the police dispatch saying that? If the 911 caller the school was in lockdown. I would guess she was the teacher that was late arriving. She would know better than anyone if the school was in lockdown. Does that sound reasonable?
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At 9:38 it was reported the school was in lockdown. Is this the police dispatch saying that? If the 911 caller the school was in lockdown. I would guess she was the teacher that was late arriving. She would know better than anyone if the school was in lockdown. Does that sound reasonable?


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I see I messed it up again. This is what I meant...


"At 9:38 it was reported the school was in lockdown. Is this the police dispatch saying that? If the 911 caller said the school was in lockdown then I would guess she was the teacher who arrived late. She would know better than anyone if the school was in lockdown wouldn't she? Does that sound reasonable?"


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If he saw the black jackets strewn around the black Honda with all the car doors open wouldn't she also hear gunfire and notice the broken glass near the door and then call 911?

I still think the 911 caller could be the late arriving teacher.
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I can't believe I am still in the 9:35 to 9:40 timeframe.

and page 3 already
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I am thinking the 911 caller could have been the teacher that arrived late. Is that possible?
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BARBARA SIBLEY
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I am thinking the 911 caller could have been the teacher that arrived late. Is that possible?
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BARBARA SIBLEY
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How could that be? Based on the timeline by the time she got there the shooting would have been done.
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I am thinking the 911 caller could have been the teacher that arrived late. Is that possible?
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BARBARA SIBLEY
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Here's a snippet about Barara Sibley from TIME.

Quote..

Barbara Sibley was being a good mom—but she did not know she would have to walk into hell to prove it. Her eight-year old had left something at home and so she drove over to the Sandy Hook School to deliver it. But something was odd about the compound when she got there at around 9:30. "It's an elementary school," she recalls to TIME. “There are usually kids outside or something. It was very quiet." She ran into another mom at the front entrance, where visitors had to be buzzed in. Thats when it became clear something was amiss: the window next to the door had been shattered. "There was glass everywhere," she says. "And that's when we heard gunfire."

End quote...


But she's not a teacher. She is a mother of one of the students. As for the lock-down that would have started with the sound of the gunfire in my estimation. If the Babara arrived at 9:30 as she says then maybe she did call 911 or maybe the other mom they mentioned in the article made the call. Hard to say.

But that would mean the shooting lasted longer than five minutes wouldn't it. We're shortly before 9:30 until 9:40 ?? Because they say the police didn't arrive until 9:41 and I think the shooter was still active at that time. Sounds like the official report is wrong.

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[link to newsfeed.time.com]
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This is from the "Sandy Hook Video Vault"

" Sandy Hook Elementary bullet forensic evidence Barbara Sibley got there at around 9:30. If she got there at 9:30 then the shooter just walked right in because the 9:30 AM lock down time was published! "

[link to sandyhook.ustart.info]


I think he's referring to daily lockup time if he's saying it was published. I can't see them buzzing in 450 or more people. So maybe Lanza did just walk in.

But then there's the broken glass. Was the glass broken by the shooter before-hand to gain entry or was it shot out from inside by random gunfire?

If he arrived before 9:30 he probably just walked in. That was probably his intention.

He may also have arrived at 9:30 just in time for the published lockup and been refused entry. Then he would have to break the glass. Barbara Sibley must have arrive just seconds after he got inside in that case.
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Lockup probably takes place everyday at 9:30. Then they start buzzing in stragglers, visitors, parents etc.

Lockup not to be confused with lock-down.
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As long is there isn't a BATMAN MAP connecting this shit!!
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School nurse Sally Cox and Barbara Halstead called 911 according to Wikipedia. That would jive with other reports that calls came from "inside" the school. That doesn't mean all the calls came from the school though. Maybe Babara Sibley called as well. Here's the piece from wiki...

"She and the school secretary Barbara Halstead called 9-1-1 and hid in a first-aid supply closet for up to four hours. Custodian Rick Thorne ran through hallways, alerting classrooms."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

CNN also reported calls came from "inside" the school if you can believe them.....

"At the police station, dispatchers began to take calls from inside the school. Authorities say the first emergency call about the shooting came in at "approximately" 9:30 a.m."

Custodians name is Rick Thorne. He also may have called 911 but there's no mention of it anywhere.

[link to www.cnn.com]
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As long is there isn't a BATMAN MAP connecting this shit!!
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Is that you Sedensky?
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As long is there isn't a BATMAN MAP connecting this shit!!
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Is that you Sedensky?
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School nurse Sally Cox and Barbara Halstead called 911 according to Wikipedia. That would jive with other reports that calls came from "inside" the school. That doesn't mean all the calls came from the school though. Maybe Babara Sibley called as well. Here's the piece from wiki...

"She and the school secretary Barbara Halstead called 9-1-1 and hid in a first-aid supply closet for up to four hours. Custodian Rick Thorne ran through hallways, alerting classrooms."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

CNN also reported calls came from "inside" the school if you can believe them.....

"At the police station, dispatchers began to take calls from inside the school. Authorities say the first emergency call about the shooting came in at "approximately" 9:30 a.m."

Custodians name is Rick Thorne. He also may have called 911 but there's no mention of it anywhere.

[link to www.cnn.com]
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I remember there was some confusion on which custodian was working that morning. Kevin Anzellotti is the head custodian and I don't remember if he had the day off or what the story was, but there was confusion in regards to this. Also I found something interesting, here is email access to the staff at Sandy Hook, so if anyone wants to ask any particular staff member a question - why don't you email them? [link to newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net]
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So more that one source said that Sally Cox made a 911 call.

Wiki says Sally Cox and Barbara Halstead made the call.

But then they both spend four hours in the closet???

Didn't they think to call back and ask if it's over.

I think that's the call they haven't released.

It would probably answer too many questions.
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Why are we re-evaluating the time frame this way?

There is no evidence to prove this out.


I get the feeling that Sedensky is fishing for what would fly by testing it here.



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Why are we re-evaluating the time frame this way?

There is no evidence to prove this out.


I get the feeling that Sedensky is fishing for what would fly by testing it here.

 Quoting: Dudeashane


or else he's just gone fishing.
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Why are we re-evaluating the time frame this way?

There is no evidence to prove this out.


I get the feeling that Sedensky is fishing for what would fly by testing it here.

 Quoting: Dudeashane


or else he's just gone fishing.
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"fly fishing" at that
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Why did I break it up into frames? so we wouldn't be jumping all over the board. It keeps the topic focused. It also helps establish what happened and when it happened.
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The next time-frame is 9:40 to 9:50

9:41 am is when the first officer arrived. According to police reports the shooter took his life upon hearing the police arrive. We will delve into the facts and try to determine if this is really the case. We will examine the response time and actions taken to secure the area. The EMS response time will also be examined. This is going to get interesting.....

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