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SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING REPORT

 
Dudeashane

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HOLY WOW!!

You mean we have an even MORE detailed breakdown of the communications and it still makes no sense?

So can we move to the next phase?
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Timing and logic mismatch:

9:53 Newtown's reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.

9:58 Standby a few minutes in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time.


So is the building 'clear' or not at 9:53...

It seems awfully quick to declare a school building 'clear' when shots were supposedly fired only 10 minutes earlier.

5 minutes later they are 'conducting' - as in in progress - an interior search. That contradicts 'cleared' declaration of 9:53.
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Yes, there's a clear contradiction there, no pun intended.
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Did you notice about 6 minutes elapsed between the time the police arrived and Adam allegedly took his own life?
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Timing and logic mismatch:

9:53 Newtown's reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.

9:58 Standby a few minutes in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time.


So is the building 'clear' or not at 9:53...

It seems awfully quick to declare a school building 'clear' when shots were supposedly fired only 10 minutes earlier.

5 minutes later they are 'conducting' - as in in progress - an interior search. That contradicts 'cleared' declaration of 9:53.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46984232


Yes, there's a clear contradiction there, no pun intended.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35168830


Not trying to derail the thread and keep going by all means. Since you are trying very hard to put a timeline together that could possibly put this all together, and I mean you can prove that children died and you have a better idea who is the culprit ( s ). Here is a question.


If I was someone who thinks that this was a staged event what can you point to that would make me say " oh okay that seems credible"
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Where was Chief Kehoe during all this time?
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Where was Chief Kehoe during all this time?
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Timing and logic mismatch:

9:53 Newtown's reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.

9:58 Standby a few minutes in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time.


So is the building 'clear' or not at 9:53...

It seems awfully quick to declare a school building 'clear' when shots were supposedly fired only 10 minutes earlier.

5 minutes later they are 'conducting' - as in in progress - an interior search. That contradicts 'cleared' declaration of 9:53.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46984232


Yes, there's a clear contradiction there, no pun intended.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35168830


Not trying to derail the thread and keep going by all means. Since you are trying very hard to put a timeline together that could possibly put this all together, and I mean you can prove that children died and you have a better idea who is the culprit ( s ). Here is a question.


If I was someone who thinks that this was a staged event what can you point to that would make me say " oh okay that seems credible"
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I would point to this thread.

Thread: Amazing. Sandy Hook first 15 minutes
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Timing mismatch:

09:53 "...building has...been cleared."

10:09 - Photo of children walking in partking lot supposedly snapped.

C/P references from above:


9:53 Newtown's reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.

At 10:09 am, 10 minutes after she climbed out of her vehicle, she snapped the shutter on an elementary school class being led out of the school by two Connecticut State Police officers.


So what were kids doing for 16 minutes? They were supposedly outside the building long before the picture was taken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46984232


Audio says "building has not been cleared."

Some have thought it says "building has now been cleared," but it actually says "not."
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10:04 We have staging area for the student, the personnel and the parents. Outside by the street.

10:12 Set up a triage area up by the fire house.

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#1 - parents, students and everyone was INSIDE the firehouse. Not 'outside by the street.'

#2 - Triage area was set up in school parking lot. Not the firehouse. So either someone failed to listen or knew they were given bad instructions since transportation of injured from the school to the firehouse would have been hard.

How is it that absolutely no dead or injured were every brought out the triage area? Not one.
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There was some kind of temporary welfare-checking area that Detective Rachel Van Ness and 401 (401 was EMS or a paramedic of some kind) were staffing. I think by street they mean the driveway of the school, but not sure. They refer in the audio, also, to Van Ness and 401 being near the fence, and I think there are even photos that show them there. Det. Van Ness is involved with children's welfare in other capacities, and I think that's why she was assigned down by the school to assist with children coming out. She and 401 were supposed to be checking the children for injuries, since they were still keeping EMS out.

I don't know why, at that early point, they wouldn't want to just be getting kids out as fast as they could, but I suppose if they were seriously enough wounded, they'd want to avoid having them run/be carried too far.
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so-far we've determined:

1 The shooting at the school started around 9:30 am

2 Two parents arrived immediately after 9:30

3 A special kind of bullet was used, probably a 233 caliber hollow point type which is especially harmful upon entering the body.

4 One 911 call came in around 9:32 possibly from Barbara Sibley or a school teacher.

5 The police arrived around 9:40 am and call in the vehicle plates 872-YEO

6 Sergeant David Kullgren was the Commanding officer on scene

7 Another 911 call was received around 9:43. This second call could be from Sally Cox and Babara Halstead because the dispatcher said (teachers) saw shadows. (Sally Cox and Barbara Halstead called together and spent up to four hours in the school closet according to wikipedia)

8 The shooting lasted longer than the 5 minutes originally stated and would have been more like 16 minutes in length

9 The shooter probably died around 9:46 when the shooting stopped.

10 Ambulances staged at the Fire station. Ambulance a2 was allowed into the scene. Ambulance a3 asked for permission to inter the scene at 9:59 but was denied access.

11 Chief Michael Kehoe told the newspaper Sinko was disciplined for failing to carry his radio.

The chief said the 24-year veteran was not going to be a first responder and was not on duty on Dec. 14 when the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School sent dozens of officers racing to the scene.

Kehoe said Sinko arrived at the school about two hours later and his failure to respond more quickly did not result in additional casualties.

[link to www.wtnh.com]
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Correction 223 caliber bullet
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so-far we've determined:

1 The shooting started around 9:30 am

2 Two parents arrived immediately after 9:30

3 A special kind of bullet was used, probably a 223 caliber hollow point type which is especially harmful upon entering the body.

4 One 911 call came in around 9:32 possibly from Barbara Sibley or a school teacher.

5 The police arrived around 9:40 am and called in the vehicle license plates 872-YEO

6 Sergeant David Kullgren was the Commanding officer on scene.

7 Another 911 call was received around 9:43. This second call could be from Sally Cox and Babara Halstead because the dispatcher said (teachers) saw shadows. (Sally Cox and Barbara Halstead called together and spent up to four hours together in the school closet according to wikipedia)

8 The shooting lasted longer than the 5 minutes originally stated and would have been more like 16 minutes in length.

9 The shooter probably died around 9:46 when the shooting stopped.

10 Ambulances staged at the Sandy Hook Fire Station. Ambulance a2 was allowed into the scene. Ambulance a3 asked for permission to inter the scene at 9:59 but was denied access.

11 A Newtown police lieutenant has been disciplined for being out of communication on the day 26 people died at the Sandy Hook school shooting. Chief Michael Kehoe told the newspaper Sinko was disciplined for failing to carry his radio. Lt. George Sinko received a written reprimand.

The chief said the 24-year veteran was not going to be a first responder and was not on duty on Dec. 14 when the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School sent dozens of officers racing to the scene.

Kehoe said Sinko arrived at the school about two hours later and his failure to respond more quickly did not result in additional casualties.

[link to www.wtnh.com]

[link to www.newstimes.com]
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When are the cars in the parking lot hit with bullets, green Honda ?
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so-far we've determined:

1 The shooting started around 9:30 am

2 Two parents arrived immediately after 9:30

3 A special kind of bullet was used, probably a 223 caliber hollow point type which is especially harmful upon entering the body.

4 One 911 call came in around 9:32 possibly from Barbara Sibley or a school teacher.

5 The police arrived around 9:40 am and called in the vehicle license plates 872-YEO

6 Sergeant David Kullgren was the Commanding officer on scene.

7 Another 911 call was received around 9:43. This second call could be from Sally Cox and Babara Halstead because the dispatcher said (teachers) saw shadows. (Sally Cox and Barbara Halstead called together and spent up to four hours together in the school closet according to wikipedia)

8 The shooting lasted longer than the 5 minutes originally stated and would have been more like 16 minutes in length.

9 The shooter probably died around 9:46 when the shooting stopped.

10 Ambulances staged at the Sandy Hook Fire Station. Ambulance a2 was allowed into the scene. Ambulance a3 asked for permission to inter the scene at 9:59 but was denied access.

11 A Newtown police lieutenant has been disciplined for being out of communication on the day 26 people died at the Sandy Hook school shooting. Chief Michael Kehoe told the newspaper Sinko was disciplined for failing to carry his radio. Lt. George Sinko received a written reprimand.

The chief said the 24-year veteran was not going to be a first responder and was not on duty on Dec. 14 when the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School sent dozens of officers racing to the scene.

Kehoe said Sinko arrived at the school about two hours later and his failure to respond more quickly did not result in additional casualties.

[link to www.wtnh.com]

[link to www.newstimes.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47245730


In addition to lieutenant George Sinko receiving a reprimand, Police Chief Micheal Kehoe could be facing facing a non confidence vote over this. Word of the possible no-confidence vote took him by surprise.

[link to www.newstimes.com]
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I am not sure if this another rabbit hole but I checked the comments below several times.

9:41 Last note, we got a chopper in front of the building.

9:41 Acknowledge we don't have any visual crew on station.

The sound quality was poor but I heard the words chopper and visual.


Having said that, I thought this looks preplanned although it is possible an already airborne chopper was pulled of an assignment from close-by. I am still wondering how a helicopter managed to get there so fast. Wouldn't the airport have records on that helicopters flight plan? And wouldn't that record be available under the freedom of information? It might provide some interesting details about the event. The next entry at 9:41 appears to acknowledge the prior call where he says "we don't have any visual crew on station." Is he acknowledging the chopper is there (with cameras) because there aren't any cameras on the ground (on station)

Does that sound reasonable?
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bump

Bump it up please
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I am not sure if this another rabbit hole but I checked the comments below several times.

9:41 Last note, we got a chopper in front of the building.

9:41 Acknowledge we don't have any visual crew on station.

The sound quality was poor but I heard the words chopper and visual.


Having said that, I thought this looks preplanned although it is possible an already airborne chopper was pulled of an assignment from close-by. I am still wondering how a helicopter managed to get there so fast. Wouldn't the airport have records on that helicopters flight plan? And wouldn't that record be available under the freedom of information? It might provide some interesting details about the event. The next entry at 9:41 appears to acknowledge the prior call where he says "we don't have any visual crew on station." Is he acknowledging the chopper is there (with cameras) because there aren't any cameras on the ground (on station)

Does that sound reasonable?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47245730


First is: "Last known shots were in front of the building."
Second is: "Acknowledge: we don't have any official crew on station."

First is from police audio; second is EMS audio.
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Longer excerpt is:

09:40:10 Dispatch: Medic, you are requested to stage Methodist Church, Sandy Hook Center; I will need two ambulances at this time."
09:41:04 Male: "[?], last known gunshots were in the front of the building."
09:41:09 Male, distant: “Sandy Hook Center, full crew.”
09:41:11 Dispatch, distant: “Received, I'll need the medic to respond as well as a second ambulance.”
09:41:18 Male: “Acknowledge; we don't have official crew on station.”
09:41:29 Male: "[?] party on the...I've got him proned out."
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Officer Penna heard the shot. Then two Officers Chapman and Smith spotted a rifle on the floor near the second classroom. The gun must have been in the hallway. Upon entering that room, they found the deceased gunman, along with the bodies of several children and adults.
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Longer excerpt is:

09:40:10 Dispatch: Medic, you are requested to stage Methodist Church, Sandy Hook Center; I will need two ambulances at this time."
09:41:04 Male: "[?], last known gunshots were in the front of the building."
09:41:09 Male, distant: “Sandy Hook Center, full crew.”
09:41:11 Dispatch, distant: “Received, I'll need the medic to respond as well as a second ambulance.”
09:41:18 Male: “Acknowledge; we don't have official crew on station.”
09:41:29 Male: "[?] party on the...I've got him proned out."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47248667


I understand some people heard the word "official" instead of "visual" but if they check again maybe it's not official. And the entry prior sounds all wrong. Sorry, but that's my take.

Maybe we need a third opinion.....
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Because it really sounds like "chopper" 9:41 mark

regardless there was a chopper there and it was very early
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Longer excerpt is:

09:40:10 Dispatch: Medic, you are requested to stage Methodist Church, Sandy Hook Center; I will need two ambulances at this time."
09:41:04 Male: "[?], last known gunshots were in the front of the building."
09:41:09 Male, distant: “Sandy Hook Center, full crew.”
09:41:11 Dispatch, distant: “Received, I'll need the medic to respond as well as a second ambulance.”
09:41:18 Male: “Acknowledge; we don't have official crew on station.”
09:41:29 Male: "[?] party on the...I've got him proned out."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47248667


I understand some people heard the word "official" instead of "visual" but if they check again maybe it's not official. And the entry prior sounds all wrong. Sorry, but that's my take.

Maybe we need a third opinion.....
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It's an ambulance getting ready to head to Sandy Hook School. The feed we're transcribing here is largely "Newtown Area Fire & Newtown Police." It's a combination of Fire/EMS radio traffic, and police traffic. Dispatcher Bob Nute speaks to both Fire/EMS, and police, but on different frequencies.

I'm in the process of separating the two channels now so it's easier to understand.

When A2 (I think that's who's saying it--either A2 or A3) says "we don't have official crew on station," they're referring to the staffing of the ambulances. Ambulances are sent with a driver and various crew; paramedics, etc., and they can be certified ALS (Advanced Life Support) or BLS (Basic Life Support).
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Sorry - A2 and A3 are ambulances with the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps.

Their homepage shows the two ambulances used that day (A2 and A3):

[link to newtown-ambulance.org]
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Here's the link to their apparatus:

[link to newtown-ambulance.org]
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8667 Your right. I went back listened to the 9:41 mark in VideoStudio7 and I heard that also" Last known shots were in the front of the building.

Must have been the program I was using before or the wrong codec but it came through clear this time. thanks!
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I am going to do another thread on the helicopter and post the findings here.

I'll name it " Sandy Hook Chopper Questions"
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I am going to do another thread on the helicopter and post the findings here.

I'll name it " Sandy Hook Chopper Questions"
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Sounds good, Canada - in a different feed I heard reference to an air ambulance, and the exchange said something like "he's at the hangar but it'll be 45 minutes before he's in the air," something to that effect. 45 min is a long time.
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I am not sure if this another rabbit hole but I checked the comments below several times.

9:41 Last note, we got a chopper in front of the building.

9:41 Acknowledge we don't have any visual crew on station.

The sound quality was poor but I heard the words chopper and visual.


Having said that, I thought this looks preplanned although it is possible an already airborne chopper was pulled of an assignment from close-by. I am still wondering how a helicopter managed to get there so fast. Wouldn't the airport have records on that helicopters flight plan? And wouldn't that record be available under the freedom of information? It might provide some interesting details about the event. The next entry at 9:41 appears to acknowledge the prior call where he says "we don't have any visual crew on station." Is he acknowledging the chopper is there (with cameras) because there aren't any cameras on the ground (on station)

Does that sound reasonable?
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Did you consider that maybe it was a drone with a camera? Drones do not have to be big.
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