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Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.

 
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says ison is the oldest ortt cloud comet and the magnitude didnt change for a 132 day period as it approachs our sun...
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Magnitude didn't change because it's a spaceship, duh!

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ISON discovered almost 1 year ago, and for a third of that time the magnitude did not change (according to this astronomer). how can this be possible since its been heading our way inbound towards the sun ever since it was spotted?
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says ison is the oldest ortt cloud comet and the magnitude didnt change for a 132 day period as it approachs our sun...
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Magnitude didn't change because it's a spaceship, duh!
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Interestingly that is one theory. Hoagland speculated that Phobos was a spacecraft. "Daniel" suggested that arks from the bible were spacecraft with asteroids being a perfect pre-built craft. I suppose it's possible.

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How would he know exactly that ISON is the oldest comet from the Oort Cloud?
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How would he know exactly that ISON is the oldest comet from the Oort Cloud?
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The whole concept of an "Oort Cloud" is pure speculation, as are "black holes," "dark matter," "The Big Bang" and any other number of the assumptions of THEORETICAL PHYSICS trumpeted, routinely, as accepted fact.
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
The magnitude, obviously, should have increased by now. That is weird....
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How would he know exactly that ISON is the oldest comet from the Oort Cloud?
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The whole concept of an "Oort Cloud" is pure speculation, as are "black holes," "dark matter," "The Big Bang" and any other number of the assumptions of THEORETICAL PHYSICS trumpeted, routinely, as accepted fact.
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but that "all seeing man in the sky watching everything you do" that's real huh....LOL
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The magnitude, obviously, should have increased by now. That is weird....
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Maybe something to due with velocity vector. Magnitude does not increase even though the object is in motion. Long time since i did physics though.

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Magnitude didn't change because it's a spaceship, duh!
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Magnitude didn't change because it's a spaceship, duh!
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The magnitude would change if that spacesgip were indeed getting closer.

DOUBLE "DUH!!"
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How would he know exactly that ISON is the oldest comet from the Oort Cloud?
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The whole concept of an "Oort Cloud" is pure speculation, as are "black holes," "dark matter," "The Big Bang" and any other number of the assumptions of THEORETICAL PHYSICS trumpeted, routinely, as accepted fact.
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but that "all seeing man in the sky watching everything you do" that's real huh....LOL
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Yes.
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i love these "doom soon to be squashed by astro threads" lol.
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i love these "doom soon to be squashed by astro threads" lol.
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but this man outranks astro and his boy wonder
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i love these "doom soon to be squashed by astro threads" lol.
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Don't assume that too early...... Astro might be the one proven wrong......rofl
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
Thread derailment is a common feature.

However - this astronomer is just stating the facts he observes - so you cant really contradict that.

Of course you can go ad hominem or you can try to disprove - but until that these observations must prevail.
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Magnitude didn't change because it's a spaceship, duh!
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Doesn't matter...from our point of view it should....unless he is using a kind of distortion field to protect itself during his voyage or just that it what is produce after wards. Just saying..
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
Perhaps for the same reason as the sun is quiet now during it's active period: The brown dwarf.

Thread: ISON; THE WINGED ONE, NEW IMAGES...WOW THIS THING IS HUGE


The brown dwarf is behind Comet Ison in the same way it was behind Comet Holmes when it outburst in 2007

Thread: Is the Blue/Red Kachina prophecy being fulfilled???
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
I have been out of the science scene for a while ever since I realized modern day science is full of it. But what exactly is "magnitude", are we talking about mass here?
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Magnitude has been brightening DAILY!

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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
I have been out of the science scene for a while ever since I realized modern day science is full of it. But what exactly is "magnitude", are we talking about mass here?
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brightness, i think
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
Perhaps for the same reason as the sun is quiet now during it's active period: The brown dwarf.

Thread: ISON; THE WINGED ONE, NEW IMAGES...WOW THIS THING IS HUGE


The brown dwarf is behind Comet Ison in the same way it was behind Comet Holmes when it outburst in 2007

Thread: Is the Blue/Red Kachina prophecy being fulfilled???
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ISON is 3 miles wide, a brown dwarf would be at minimum larger than the earth.....

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i love these "doom soon to be squashed by astro threads" lol.
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Don't assume that too early...... Astro might be the one proven wrong......rofl
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again, I ask, are you going to admit what a fool you've been when September 20th passes? you always avoid the question...
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
I have been out of the science scene for a while ever since I realized modern day science is full of it. But what exactly is "magnitude", are we talking about mass here?
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brightness, i think
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correct, brightness of the object
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Re: Astronomer talking about ISON: unchanged magnitude for 4 month period.
I have been out of the science scene for a while ever since I realized modern day science is full of it. But what exactly is "magnitude", are we talking about mass here?
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brightness, i think
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correct, brightness of the object
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Yes.
Specifically, the brightness we see, which is affected by distance, as well as the intrinsic brightness of the object.

An increase of one magnitude equates to about 2½ times as bright (2.512 to be exact)
2 magnitudes = about 6.3 x as bright
3 magnitudes = about 16 x as bright
4 magnitudes = about 40 x as bright
An increase of 5 magnitudes is 100 times as bright.

And magnitude figures go DOWN as brightness INCREASES.
The dimmest stars you can see by naked-eye from a dark rural site are about magnitude 6
The brightest stars are magnitude 1 or less
Venus is about -4 (minus four)
Full Moon is about -13
The Sun is about - 27
The 14 magnitude difference between the Full Moon and the Sun, equates to about 400,000 x the brightness

ISON is currently at about 11.7, and I can remember only a few weeks ago it was at about 12.5
A difference of 0.8 magnitude - which is about twice as bright.





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