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No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.

 
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The scientists, sent a balloon 27km into the stratosphere, which came back carrying small biological organisms which they believe can only have originated from space.

Professor Milton Wainwright told The Independent that he was "95 per cent convinced" that the organisms did not originate from earth.
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But what if the super doomy black death comet-ey germs are protected by some kind of alien deep-space protecto-varnish that lets them survive their intergalactic plague spreading travels??

The protecto-varnish burns up in the atmosphere.....THEN revealing the doomy plague that is THEN succeptable to UV light.?
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I still say it's alien microbe hyperspace protecto-varnish.
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There is always a chance that UFOs will shoot it down, and thus proving the OP right.

IMO, the catastrophies should have started already with Elenin(since the math about the alignments and earthquakes were irrefutable), but the UFOs shot it down.

If this comet is really a winged planet programmed as a "population checkpoint," then it will really show the power of the UFOs vs "The Cosmic Programmer," and unfortunately, I have a feeling the UFOs will win, since they are not confined to this universe/simulation. They are at the very least, equal to the Programmer.

What I suggest is for people to pray for the 3 days of darkness, anything just to prove that there is more than this life, because the UFOs will NOT let this planet perish.
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Here allow me to prove you are full of shit!

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fuck me.. astro has copped shit here over the years...

you know what? he's another dude... fuck off random bullshit.. i like the dude... and further? i don't care whether he says pigs are in space... at least he has balls to man up.. so GTFO
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Here allow me to prove you are full of shit!

[link to journalofcosmology.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24606679


It helps to learn how to read first, anonymous coward.

I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space.
And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

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And How the hell do YOU know????? Are You GOD????
I am so sick of this shit!!!!
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And How the hell do YOU know????? Are You GOD????
I am so sick of this shit!!!!
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Tired of astro deflating your doom boner? What exactly are you sick of? Are you actually upset that "black death" WON'T "be raining down on us"? Do you really want doom so badly that you lash out at the one rational voice in the room? Wow.

Hey remember when we lined up with the galactic plane on 12/21/12 and the end if the Mayan calendar spelled doom/enlightenment/higher consciousness/earth calamity for all of us? Do you remember when Elenin cause a crust/pole shift? Remember when nibiru and the aliens were sure to visit us? No? Hey guess what! Me either.

Do you remember when Astro was telling you all that those things were bullshit, but you called him a shill anyways. I remember that.
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As anyone with the ability to do a webserach knows, cases of respiratory infections, pneumonic diseases, virulent flu strains, and other plague-like illnesses are increasing. So, while the arrogant and ignorant OP may be right in that one comet dust trail and transfer of particles into the upper atmosphere isn't going to cause the 'black death', the cumulative effect of all the accumulating particles - both space-born and Earth-released - is, right now, causing it to manifest. Not that the OP can even see this happening as he has his head so far up his ass that no amount of light, truth, or sound can reach his plugged ears and calcified brain. He will not have a very good ending to his time on this planet as things go along and his little world comes crashing down all around him. So, sit back, watch, and enjoy the total meltdown of the good Dr. - brought on by his wedding to the lie.
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BRAVO!
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I agree

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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Dear DR Astro,

don't take this the wrong way,

but you sir, are a firkin idiot.


stop talking about Yersinia pestis ,

this is an hearsay, you can find it in any medical book.


whats in question are,

1, the plagues happened after comets was seen, these comets were so bright, that people looked up, they where seen in the daylight, and night for days at a time,

2, the plague symptoms are the same as radiation poisoning,

3, comets have been found to soak in radiation from, either the SUN, or Cosmic Particles,

read this, quote," A team of U.S. and German astrophysicists have made the first ever detection of X-rays coming from a comet. Their discovery of a strong radiation signal -- about 100 times brighter than even the most optimistic predictions --

[link to heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov]


so if you can stop talking crap for once in your life, and answer the firking questions,

(1) is it possible that comet ISON, is charging its self up with radiation,

(2) and that when we go through the so called dust of comet ISON, that the whole Earth could quite possibly end up with millions of people with Radiation poisoning,

you work on facts i presume,


the facts that the plagues followed closely by bright comets seen in the skys for days and days,
everyone looking up and seeing them.

paintings about them, books, writings all about it,

or are you going to fall back on the medical books to try and bulshit me into believing all those people died around the world because of a bacteria,
carried on a god damn rat,

no rats in iceland, yet they still got the plague,

theres a hole in your logic'
you who know all the answers,
you say that science is magic,
and you expect me to buy it,

this isn't fear mongering, this could be closer to the truth than you might think,

but your a loyal member of society,
who believes what he is told,

so once again you will pull the veil back down over the eyes of the people who are in the process of waking up to the truth,

which is so far away from your truth its scary,
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Dear DR Astro,

don't take this the wrong way,

but you sir, are a firkin idiot.


stop talking about Yersinia pestis ,

this is an hearsay, you can find it in any medical book.

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The genetic research I linked to showed it was indeed Yersinia pestis. So you know what? You can GTFO.
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Dear DR Astro,

don't take this the wrong way,

but you sir, are a firkin idiot.


stop talking about Yersinia pestis ,

this is an hearsay, you can find it in any medical book.


whats in question are,

1, the plagues happened after comets was seen, these comets were so bright, that people looked up, they where seen in the daylight, and night for days at a time,

2, the plague symptoms are the same as radiation poisoning,

3, comets have been found to soak in radiation from, either the SUN, or Cosmic Particles,

read this, quote," A team of U.S. and German astrophysicists have made the first ever detection of X-rays coming from a comet. Their discovery of a strong radiation signal -- about 100 times brighter than even the most optimistic predictions --

[link to heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov]


so if you can stop talking crap for once in your life, and answer the firking questions,

(1) is it possible that comet ISON, is charging its self up with radiation,

(2) and that when we go through the so called dust of comet ISON, that the whole Earth could quite possibly end up with millions of people with Radiation poisoning,

you work on facts i presume,


the facts that the plagues followed closely by bright comets seen in the skys for days and days,
everyone looking up and seeing them.

paintings about them, books, writings all about it,

or are you going to fall back on the medical books to try and bulshit me into believing all those people died around the world because of a bacteria,
carried on a god damn rat,

no rats in iceland, yet they still got the plague,

theres a hole in your logic'
you who know all the answers,
you say that science is magic,
and you expect me to buy it,

this isn't fear mongering, this could be closer to the truth than you might think,

but your a loyal member of society,
who believes what he is told,

so once again you will pull the veil back down over the eyes of the people who are in the process of waking up to the truth,

which is so far away from your truth its scary,
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Astro FAIL!

However, there are other factors to consider: UV rays and fluctuations in solar activity. Wainwright et al., (2010) argue that the genomes of microbes in the upper atmosphere may suffer UV-ray induced mutations. Further, cyclic fluctuations in solar activity could also directly impact the genomes of microbes within the upper atmosphere. Thus, if they originate in space or from Earth, those microbes or viruses who suffer UV damage or genetic mutations do to cyclic increases in solar activity, may also insert these damaged genes into other bacteria which then infect the animals and plants of Earth.

Consider, for example, the 1918 flu pandemic which was caused by the combination of new viral genes with old viral genes, such that a new viral strain transferred its genes to an old viral strain, creating a deadly hybrid which killed maybe as many as 100 million humans. However, the first to be infected were birds, thus suggesting the source of the disease came from the sky.

Therefore, we are presented with a variety of scenarios which might be linked, and all involve the transfer of genes, including those which may have been mutated by UV rays or increased solar activity, and those which originated in bacteria and viruses from space. If these scenarios (or variations thereof) are accurate, this could explain the origin of Yersinia pestis and their variable gene pool which periodically acquires infective or mutated genes thus inducing plague after they fall to Earth.

The Black Death (1334-1350AD) for example, has all the hallmarks of a space incident component or trigger. That this disease spread from city to city has been well documented (Kelly 2006; McNeill 1977). However, the progression of the disease did not follow contours associated with travel routes, displaying a patchiness of incidence including zones of total avoidance (Figure 6). Moreover, the pattern of infection appear to travel the course of prevailing winds (Figures 7 and 8). This does not accord with straightforward infection via a rodent/flea carrier as is conventional to assume. Hoyle and Wickramasinghe (1979) interpreted these patterns as indicative of a space incident bacterium.

[link to journalofcosmology.com]
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Astro FAIL!
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AC FAIL!
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Dear DR Astro,

don't take this the wrong way,

but you sir, are a firkin idiot.


stop talking about Yersinia pestis ,

this is an hearsay, you can find it in any medical book.


whats in question are,

1, the plagues happened after comets was seen, these comets were so bright, that people looked up, they where seen in the daylight, and night for days at a time,

2, the plague symptoms are the same as radiation poisoning,

3, comets have been found to soak in radiation from, either the SUN, or Cosmic Particles,

read this, quote," A team of U.S. and German astrophysicists have made the first ever detection of X-rays coming from a comet. Their discovery of a strong radiation signal -- about 100 times brighter than even the most optimistic predictions --

[link to heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov]


so if you can stop talking crap for once in your life, and answer the firking questions,

(1) is it possible that comet ISON, is charging its self up with radiation,

(2) and that when we go through the so called dust of comet ISON, that the whole Earth could quite possibly end up with millions of people with Radiation poisoning,

you work on facts i presume,


the facts that the plagues followed closely by bright comets seen in the skys for days and days,
everyone looking up and seeing them.

paintings about them, books, writings all about it,

or are you going to fall back on the medical books to try and bulshit me into believing all those people died around the world because of a bacteria,
carried on a god damn rat,

no rats in iceland, yet they still got the plague,

theres a hole in your logic'
you who know all the answers,
you say that science is magic,
and you expect me to buy it,

this isn't fear mongering, this could be closer to the truth than you might think,

but your a loyal member of society,
who believes what he is told,

so once again you will pull the veil back down over the eyes of the people who are in the process of waking up to the truth,

which is so far away from your truth its scary,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16824312


clappa
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I expect a full apology from both of you in January.
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Not uncommonly, the comet's tail may cross the orbit of Earth. Tiny particles of solid material (cm – mm in size) ignite, showering Earth with “shooting stars” or meteors (Wickramasinghe et al., 2010). The larger objects in the comet’s wake have a chance of landing on the Earth as meteorites, with only a thin outer layer being ablated such that the interior (and whatever is living inside) is preserved. This is exactly what happened in 1910 when the Earth passed through the tail of Halley's Comet. Millions of pieces of debris impacted the atmosphere, lighting up the skies with flashes of light, and showering the planet with tons of cometary debris. On average over 2 million pounds of cosmic dust falls to Earth every day (Wickramasinghe et al., 2010). Based on evidence reviewed by Joseph (2009c; Joseph and Schild 2010a,b) if microbes are attached to this stellar debris, most would likely survive.


Figure 18. Comet Hale Bopp

The smaller sub-micron sized particles and any microbes and viral particles attached to them, do not burn up. Instead, they fall upon the upper atmosphere (the mesophere and stratosphere), and then slowly drift down and upon the air currents, sometimes staying aloft for years, crisscrossing the planet, gently falling downward, until finally making a soft landing on whatever is beneath them, be it ocean, river, animal, plant, or human (Wickramasinghe et al., 2010).

If bacteria and viruses are attached to these falling particles, then it could be surmised that as they descend through the air they may infect those hosts who are directly exposed and who inhale them (Hoyle and Wickramasinghe, 1979), beginning, perhaps with birds and flying insects.

Further, as they are caught up in the jet streams of the upper atmosphere, viruses and bacteria may be dispersed over wide areas of land and sea, triggering pockets of contagion which are separated by hundreds even thousands of miles. Comets may in fact be a source of diseases from space (Hoyle and Wickramasinghe, 1979), and once released into the upper atmosphere, microbes and viruses may be impacted by UV rays and cyclic changes in solar activity.
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Dear DR Astro,

don't take this the wrong way,

but you sir, are a firkin idiot.


stop talking about Yersinia pestis ,

this is an hearsay, you can find it in any medical book.


whats in question are,

1, the plagues happened after comets was seen, these comets were so bright, that people looked up, they where seen in the daylight, and night for days at a time,

2, the plague symptoms are the same as radiation poisoning,

3, comets have been found to soak in radiation from, either the SUN, or Cosmic Particles,

read this, quote," A team of U.S. and German astrophysicists have made the first ever detection of X-rays coming from a comet. Their discovery of a strong radiation signal -- about 100 times brighter than even the most optimistic predictions --

[link to heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov]


so if you can stop talking crap for once in your life, and answer the firking questions,

(1) is it possible that comet ISON, is charging its self up with radiation,

(2) and that when we go through the so called dust of comet ISON, that the whole Earth could quite possibly end up with millions of people with Radiation poisoning,

you work on facts i presume,


the facts that the plagues followed closely by bright comets seen in the skys for days and days,
everyone looking up and seeing them.

paintings about them, books, writings all about it,

or are you going to fall back on the medical books to try and bulshit me into believing all those people died around the world because of a bacteria,
carried on a god damn rat,

no rats in iceland, yet they still got the plague,

theres a hole in your logic'
you who know all the answers,
you say that science is magic,
and you expect me to buy it,

this isn't fear mongering, this could be closer to the truth than you might think,

but your a loyal member of society,
who believes what he is told,

so once again you will pull the veil back down over the eyes of the people who are in the process of waking up to the truth,

which is so far away from your truth its scary,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16824312


clappa
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I expect a full apology from both of you in January.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I don't apologize to nobody. They apologize to me.
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Everything is possible Mr. Astro.

It doesnt reads like this has to happen or will happen..but it could happen.
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Dear DR Astro,

don't take this the wrong way,

but you sir, are a firkin idiot.


stop talking about Yersinia pestis ,

this is an hearsay, you can find it in any medical book.


whats in question are,

1, the plagues happened after comets was seen, these comets were so bright, that people looked up, they where seen in the daylight, and night for days at a time,

2, the plague symptoms are the same as radiation poisoning,

3, comets have been found to soak in radiation from, either the SUN, or Cosmic Particles,

read this, quote," A team of U.S. and German astrophysicists have made the first ever detection of X-rays coming from a comet. Their discovery of a strong radiation signal -- about 100 times brighter than even the most optimistic predictions --

[link to heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov]


so if you can stop talking crap for once in your life, and answer the firking questions,

(1) is it possible that comet ISON, is charging its self up with radiation,

(2) and that when we go through the so called dust of comet ISON, that the whole Earth could quite possibly end up with millions of people with Radiation poisoning,

you work on facts i presume,


the facts that the plagues followed closely by bright comets seen in the skys for days and days,
everyone looking up and seeing them.

paintings about them, books, writings all about it,

or are you going to fall back on the medical books to try and bulshit me into believing all those people died around the world because of a bacteria,
carried on a god damn rat,

no rats in iceland, yet they still got the plague,

theres a hole in your logic'
you who know all the answers,
you say that science is magic,
and you expect me to buy it,

this isn't fear mongering, this could be closer to the truth than you might think,

but your a loyal member of society,
who believes what he is told,

so once again you will pull the veil back down over the eyes of the people who are in the process of waking up to the truth,

which is so far away from your truth its scary,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16824312


clappa
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I expect a full apology from both of you in January.
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I don't apologize to nobody. They apologize to me.
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Then at least be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I agree to stop posting on GLP forever if your doom materializes and ISON poisons "millions of people with radiation poisoning." Will you agree to stop posting here forever if your doom doesn't come true?
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Everything is possible Mr. Astro.

It doesnt reads like this has to happen or will happen..but it could happen.
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Yersinia pestis caused the black plague, and no, it can't come to us from comet dust. You need to learn to follow the evidence instead of leaving your mind so open your brain falls out. If you don't eliminate the impossible then you will never, ever find the truth.

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clappa
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I expect a full apology from both of you in January.
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I don't apologize to nobody. They apologize to me.
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Then at least be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I agree to stop posting on GLP forever if your doom materializes and ISON poisons "millions of people with radiation poisoning." Will you agree to stop posting here forever if your doom doesn't come true?
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Fat chance.
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I expect a full apology from both of you in January.
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I don't apologize to nobody. They apologize to me.
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Then at least be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I agree to stop posting on GLP forever if your doom materializes and ISON poisons "millions of people with radiation poisoning." Will you agree to stop posting here forever if your doom doesn't come true?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Fat chance.
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I see, so you lack the courage of your convictions. Thank you.
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I dont say that ISON will harm us in this or that way. I dont know and noone could be sure 100%. What we know is just a drop, what we dont know is an ocean, dear Astro!

But, you are just wrong when you say that viruses, bacteria etc. cant survive in space.

Maybe we came to earth as dust from space!
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I don't apologize to nobody. They apologize to me.
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Then at least be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I agree to stop posting on GLP forever if your doom materializes and ISON poisons "millions of people with radiation poisoning." Will you agree to stop posting here forever if your doom doesn't come true?
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Fat chance.
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I see, so you lack the courage of your convictions. Thank you.
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That makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you.
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But, you are just wrong when you say that viruses, bacteria etc. cant survive in space.
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I see, you can't read properly either. That's why I made this thread, so I wouldn't have to put up with people who can't read (or more likely, deliberately lie about what I actually said).
I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

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Then at least be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I agree to stop posting on GLP forever if your doom materializes and ISON poisons "millions of people with radiation poisoning." Will you agree to stop posting here forever if your doom doesn't come true?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Fat chance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44768327


I see, so you lack the courage of your convictions. Thank you.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


That makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you.
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Glad you agree.
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What a wonderful example of modern university education...

Creating people who are smart enough to accurately repeat what they are told ..

And dumb enough to think that this makes them smarter than everyone else..

Should have a picture of Astro next to that in the urban dictionary
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I have great respect for you Dr Astro but, how the fuck would you know?

It seems clear that NASA know very little about this comet given the false information we've had since its discovery, but you seem to know everything?
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Fat chance.
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I see, so you lack the courage of your convictions. Thank you.
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That makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you.
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Glad you agree.
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What? That you never make any sense?
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I have great respect for you Dr Astro but, how the fuck would you know?
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It's basic microbiology. Yersinia pestis wouldn't survive on comet dust.
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