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No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.

 
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I'm not saying I believe that ISON will bring the Black Death or ANY plague for that matter, but I don't see how Astro can credibly claim that it categorically WILL NOT. You don't freaking know Astro. You just don't know. It's possible this "comet" or whatever it is, has NEVER been through our solar system, in which case, no one really has any idea what it will bring. Posting a thread stating that ISON "is not going to spread the black death" is tantamount to atheists claiming that no God exists. Their knowledge base is insufficient to make that claim, as is yours.

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oh they can't come from space eh well some paid scientist's may wish to disagree with you in light of say the recent independent news article and how the only way them organisms could have only got on that balloon is if they came from space and that there is no physical process that could have got them up to a height of 27 km hmmm and you can't proof it 100% yourself so what makes you the authority on it very grandiose of you considering your limited experience of this earth fuck a creature that barely lives a hundred yrs knows everything eh where do these legends and myths come from history and ain't it funny that periodically that this disease comes out of nowhere just as a big freaking rock ice ball goes by hmmm no coincidence there then is it look anything is possible and just because we haven't experienced it first hand don't mean it can't happen
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Your a fool to think you know exactly what is and what is not coming in with this comet. There is no for certain way anyone on earth can have the slightest idea what this comet is bring in with it. So for you to say it is not bringing in something would just be an opinion on your part, not a fact. We are all for certain that Earth will pass through Comet ISON's tail, what it may possibly have in store for us is anyone's guess and opinion.

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:bumpz:
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I don't have to know exactly what "is" coming with the comet to know what is certainly not. Your logic is a fail.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Pedestal...not high enough I see :amazing:
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what do you make of this then DR. Astro??

[link to www.google.co.uk]

[link to postimg.org]
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I make of it a sad attempt at photoshopping a Hubble image and then photoshopping the photoshopped image onto a screen cap of the observatory software.
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why delete the thread if just another role playing hoax?
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Don't know, maybe the mods found it annoying like I did and didn't want it around. Maybe they just don't like you. Maybe they wanted to play up the conspiracy angle. That IS what it is though regardless of the reason it was deleted. Here's the Hubble image before you photoshopped it.
[link to astrobob.areavoices.com]
Piss poor job slapping that stupid Nibiru "picture" on it too.
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Ty for the science lesson.
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So what is this guy getting out of patrolling a bunch of supposed lunatics like us? If this guy has the smarts and credentials why would he be all over this conspiracy forum like a rash debunking everything?

This in itself is absolute proof that this site is infested with gatekeepers and handlers and people making sure that SOMETHING is kept hidden. People are having us killed for our silence.

LOOK AROUND YOU AT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED TRYING TO FREE US.

Breitbart
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Snowden is next (or he's a fucking psyop as well)
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No point trying to enlighten the plebe, they will just take your words of wisdom and twist them.
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dr astro doth protest too much, methinks
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i didn't know he was expert in the field of Inter-Stellar Life too.

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Astro-microbiologist.
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oh they can't come from space eh well some paid scientist's may wish to disagree with you in light of say the recent independent news article
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Reading comprehension. Work on it.
I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

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Do you believe in aliens.

the man....
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Great work Astro
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already?
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OH STFU

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:D
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I'm not saying I believe that ISON will bring the Black Death or ANY plague for that matter, but I don't see how Astro can credibly claim that it categorically WILL NOT. You don't freaking know Astro. You just don't know. It's possible this "comet" or whatever it is, has NEVER been through our solar system, in which case, no one really has any idea what it will bring. Posting a thread stating that ISON "is not going to spread the black death" is tantamount to atheists claiming that no God exists. Their knowledge base is insufficient to make that claim, as is yours.

Good day.
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BING fucking O!

But shills gotta shill ya know?
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Their knowledge base is insufficient to make that claim, as is yours.
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Wrong.
[link to aem.asm.org]
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what do you make of this then DR. Astro??

[link to www.google.co.uk]

[link to postimg.org]
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I make of it a sad attempt at photoshopping a Hubble image and then photoshopping the photoshopped image onto a screen cap of the observatory software.
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why delete the thread if just another role playing hoax?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46671573


Don't know, maybe the mods found it annoying like I did and didn't want it around. Maybe they just don't like you. Maybe they wanted to play up the conspiracy angle. That IS what it is though regardless of the reason it was deleted. Here's the Hubble image before you photoshopped it.
[link to astrobob.areavoices.com]
Piss poor job slapping that stupid Nibiru "picture" on it too.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL why are you accusing me of doing it????? I'm just observing and asking questions here! But nice job finding the hubble pic. You proved its a hoax.
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I usually like what you post, what you reply and generally enjoy your information.

I disagree with you this time.

I'm not saying it's going to cause "the black death", but you don't know what's going to happen.

That's the problem with "scientists" and "professional astronomers" these days.

You Are Not God.

I know you think you know what will happen and what won't happen because of your little math equations but in the end..


YOU ARE NOT GOD.

"Give a man a vagina and he will shpichs for a day. Teach a man to use his hand as a vagina, and he will shpichs for a lifetime." - General Aladeen
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Re: No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.
let's see now

OP, or PHDs with published research...

[link to journalofcosmology.com]

hmmmm

tough one that.

tell you what OP, you show us your published research debunking that paper, and we'll see, eh?
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You have a reading comprehension problem, as well as a problem with appeals to authority. I am a PhD with published research, that is irrelevant though, so too is your paper.

I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Come back when you've fixed that reading comprehension problem.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Journal of Cosmology is an absolutely craziness, a non-peer review journal ( [link to rationalwiki.org] , [link to en.wikipedia.org] , a refuge of cranks and crackpots involved in mutual disputes ( [link to cosmology.com] ).

The papers published in this "journal" are pseudoscience adorned with many spectacular images and null substance (See, for example a list of Joseph's "papers", [link to journalofcosmology.com] ; a Neuropsychologist with serious problems of narcissism -see his web page: [link to brainmind.com] )

A known tactic of cheeky and charlatans: cloth a business with an impressive name to mislead the unwary.
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Whatever...


Why are most scientist so eager to not point their finger at the most usual placeses for the origin of viruses--They are an Alien thing--They were brought here millions of years ago--by the most obivious ==Aliens =Viruses are not of this earth--Most likely from mars-& the moon==Because they are pretty close to us!And they are for the most part Dead Bodies in space!!Viruses& bacteria are the means that things that are dead--waste away --At one time The earth was all Vegitation-& Beasts--They died of because of Bacteria& Viruses!!

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]


He believes that huge amounts of micro-organisms land on Earth every day, including a tonne of bacteria. Given this, the chances would be that many surprise outbreaks of disease came from space.

He and his colleagues argue, in a research letter to the Lancet medical journal, that a strong case can be made for Sars being one of many illnesses from space, from the plague of Athens in the fifth century BC to the influenza pandemic of 1917-19.

[link to www.theguardian.com]


Scientists have found a new virus thought to be the biggest ever seen on Earth.
The virus, dubbed Pandoravirus, is one micrometre big - up to ten times the size of other viruses - and only six per cent of its genes resemble anything seen on Earth before.


[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


Need i keep going... There is no way to tell if Ison will bring something or not. We will find out..
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I usually like what you post, what you reply and generally enjoy your information.

I disagree with you this time.

I'm not saying it's going to cause "the black death", but you don't know what's going to happen.
 Quoting: Frostphase

I know it's not going to cause "the black death."
That's the problem with "scientists" and "professional astronomers" these days.

You Are Not God.
 Quoting: frost

No, I'm not. But I am a guy with a microbiology degree. Didn't see that coming, did you?
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let's see now

OP, or PHDs with published research...

[link to journalofcosmology.com]

hmmmm

tough one that.

tell you what OP, you show us your published research debunking that paper, and we'll see, eh?
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You have a reading comprehension problem, as well as a problem with appeals to authority. I am a PhD with published research, that is irrelevant though, so too is your paper.

I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Come back when you've fixed that reading comprehension problem.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Journal of Cosmology is an absolutely craziness, a non-peer review journal ( [link to rationalwiki.org] , [link to en.wikipedia.org] , a refuge of cranks and crackpots involved in mutual disputes ( [link to cosmology.com] ).

The papers published in this "journal" are pseudoscience adorned with many spectacular images and null substance (See, for example a list of Joseph's "papers", [link to journalofcosmology.com] ; a Neuropsychologist with serious problems of narcissism -see his web page: [link to brainmind.com] )

A known tactic of cheeky and charlatans: cloth a business with an impressive name to mislead the unwary.
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let's see now

OP, or PHDs with published research...

[link to journalofcosmology.com]

hmmmm

tough one that.

tell you what OP, you show us your published research debunking that paper, and we'll see, eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46970256


You have a reading comprehension problem, as well as a problem with appeals to authority. I am a PhD with published research, that is irrelevant though, so too is your paper.

I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Come back when you've fixed that reading comprehension problem.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Journal of Cosmology is an absolutely craziness, a non-peer review journal ( [link to rationalwiki.org] , [link to en.wikipedia.org] , a refuge of cranks and crackpots involved in mutual disputes ( [link to cosmology.com] ).

The papers published in this "journal" are pseudoscience adorned with many spectacular images and null substance (See, for example a list of Joseph's "papers", [link to journalofcosmology.com] ; a Neuropsychologist with serious problems of narcissism -see his web page: [link to brainmind.com] )

A known tactic of cheeky and charlatans: cloth a business with an impressive name to mislead the unwary.
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Thanks! Whenever I hear that journal's name red flags go up from past experience. Hadn't looked into that "journal" specifically in detail, but that makes sense.
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what do you make of this then DR. Astro??

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I make of it a sad attempt at photoshopping a Hubble image and then photoshopping the photoshopped image onto a screen cap of the observatory software.
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well, it sure looks like a mothership to me.
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Re: No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.
I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
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"Black death" has similar symptoms as "radiation poisoning" as pointed out countless times by various people.

With earths frequency approach zero hertz, the magnetic shield is currently compromised and expected to completely down (ZERO) prior to "flipping" (timeframe coincide with the passing of this comet) ... leaving earth wide open to potentially lethal gases, radiation etc ...

Are you saying this comet is moving through space with no energy source (radiation can be one of them) or gases?

If so, you're completely disingenous!
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what do you make of this then DR. Astro??

[link to www.google.co.uk]

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I make of it a sad attempt at photoshopping a Hubble image and then photoshopping the photoshopped image onto a screen cap of the observatory software.
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well, it sure looks like a mothership to me.
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No, it's a really, really obvious photoshopping of this Hubble image:
[link to astrobob.areavoices.com]
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Re: No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.
let's see now

OP, or PHDs with published research...

[link to journalofcosmology.com]

hmmmm

tough one that.

tell you what OP, you show us your published research debunking that paper, and we'll see, eh?
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You have a reading comprehension problem, as well as a problem with appeals to authority. I am a PhD with published research, that is irrelevant though, so too is your paper.

I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space.
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Come back when you've fixed that reading comprehension problem.
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Journal of Cosmology is an absolutely craziness, a non-peer review journal ( [link to rationalwiki.org] , [link to en.wikipedia.org] , a refuge of cranks and crackpots involved in mutual disputes ( [link to cosmology.com] ).

The papers published in this "journal" are pseudoscience adorned with many spectacular images and null substance (See, for example a list of Joseph's "papers", [link to journalofcosmology.com] ; a Neuropsychologist with serious problems of narcissism -see his web page: [link to brainmind.com] )

A known tactic of cheeky and charlatans: cloth a business with an impressive name to mislead the unwary.
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Sorry for the duplicated post!
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I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


"Black death" has similar symptoms as "radiation poisoning" as pointed out countless times by various people.

With earths frequency approach zero hertz, the magnetic shield is currently compromised and expected to completely down (ZERO) prior to "flipping" (timeframe coincide with the passing of this comet) ... leaving earth wide open to potentially lethal gases, radiation etc ...

Are you saying this comet is moving through space with no energy source (radiation can be one of them) or gases?

If so, you're completely disingenous!
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Complete gobblygoop. It was Yersinia pestis, not radiation.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
And no, our magnetic field is not what protects us from "comet radiation" or "comet gasses." The radiation a comet emits is not harmful to us here on earth and the gasses it emits are too low in density to matter, especially in this case where we're not even passing close to the comet. Otherwise humanity would have been wiped out in 1910 when Halley's comet brushed us with its tail. Some doom mongers predicted exactly that, and it didn't happen.
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Re: No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.
And you were around 333 years ago to prove this Asstro?
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Thanks astro for deleting my post rather than respond to me. What a nice guy you are... as I said, Nancy is claiming it will spread arsenic. Any truth to that?
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Re: No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.
I swear, some superstitions just won't die. No, comet ISON's dust is not going to infect us with "the black death" better known as Yersinia pestis. Few organisms can survive the harsh conditions of outer space. Some extremophiles can, but the most "space worthy" organisms on earth are not sources of plague. Some of the largest sources for potential interplanetary contamination by our own probes traveling to places like the moon, for example, are about organisms hidden inside the spacecraft or in compartments that are shielded from the sun's unfiltered UV light.
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Yersinia Pestis, the cause of the black death ( [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [link to www.nature.com] ), is particularly susceptible to UV light like its other gram negative brethren.
[link to aem.asm.org]
It wouldn't stand a chance floating along attached to a cometary dust particle in space. And yes, the dust that reaches us from ISON (if any at all - the thing is under-performing expectations) will be quite small.

[link to www2.ess.ucla.edu]

As you can see, if you solve for dust grain size, it is inversely proportional to the acceleration it experiences relative to the comet. The reason is simple; the dust tail is formed by solar radiation pressure, which has a greater influence over smaller particles. If a particle were to have left ISON on January 1, 2012, well before it was even discovered, and at a sun distance in excess of 8.6 AUs, it would need a total delta-V (change in velocity) of about 2265 m/s to reach earth on January 12, 2014, when we are potentially going to encounter some of ISON's dust.

[link to img837.imageshack.us]
(I manually set the virtual spacecraft in the sim to the exact same state vectors as ISON for that time, then saw how much delta-V was needed to reach earth on January 12, 2014 - the number is listed under dV applied as Tot and is in m/s - I tested it to make sure the course actually did bring the test particle to earth on January 12 2014)

That's 64195200 seconds later. For the sake of simplicity, let's say that the acceleration needed (alpha in the above formula) is simply the delta-V divided by the time to reach earth (it's really more than that - the closer it gets to earth, the more delta-V is needed to adjust the course to reach earth from the course the nucleus is on, so we're being generous to the final grain size in this assumption). That works out to an alpha of 3.528x10^-5 m/s^2. Solving for the dust grain size, that works out to about 10 microns. That is about the size of the dust grains that can therefore be expected to reach us on January 12th, provided there are enough particles of that size and accelerated by the sun's light along the right velocity vector to ultimately reach us.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


"Black death" has similar symptoms as "radiation poisoning" as pointed out countless times by various people.

With earths frequency approach zero hertz, the magnetic shield is currently compromised and expected to completely down (ZERO) prior to "flipping" (timeframe coincide with the passing of this comet) ... leaving earth wide open to potentially lethal gases, radiation etc ...

Are you saying this comet is moving through space with no energy source (radiation can be one of them) or gases?

If so, you're completely disingenous!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47003357


Complete gobblygoop. It was Yersinia pestis, not radiation.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
And no, our magnetic field is not what protects us from "comet radiation" or "comet gasses." The radiation a comet emits is not harmful to us here on earth and the gasses it emits are too low in density to matter, especially in this case where we're not even passing close to the comet. Otherwise humanity would have been wiped out in 1910 when Halley's comet brushed us with its tail. Some doom mongers predicted exactly that, and it didn't happen.
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If one uses common sense, they can discern who is spewing "gobblygoop".

Your agenda is now clear. Thanks for that.
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Re: No, ISON is not going to spread the "black death" on earth.
BS! You have no more evidence to prove your theory's than anybody else does. You are pulling guesses right out of your butt. When was the last time you went through a comet tail like we are going to experience with ISON's tail.
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We're not going through ISON's tail. The last time I went through a comet's "debris" like with ISON was right now; we're currently in the tail end of the September Epsilon Perseids. The meteors come from an unknown long period comet and originated in the Oort cloud, just like ISON.
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Not even CLOSE to being the same... but OK...





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