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Before you read this, just know that neither God nor any Angels came down and made themselves manifest to tell me I was right...so I may be wrong. Debate is welcome.

Many people have a hard time believing Christianity. Many cannot attach themselves to the faith without more in-depth answers to puzzling questions the Bible leaves us with. For these types, it is not enough to follow emotionally based appeals to a state where they can proclaim that they believe, but they must analytically examine the Bible and understand it through the prism of logic in order to come to the faith. That being said, I do not think there is a great enough effort to reach out to these folks, and I also do not think that we spend enough time enriching and strengthening our own faiths through the type of thinking that would appeal to these people. Some people in the faith actually believe that it cannot be explained or understood within the constraints of logic – at least not all the time - but that because God is God, he sometimes steps outside the laws of logic and miraculously provides truths that one can only come to believe through faith – not logic. With these people, I disagree. To me, God is Love, the Creator, the Origin of the Universe and That Which Separated (Divided) somethingness from nothingness, when all there was was nothingness. God is the Law Maker, the Promise Keeper, incapable of contradicting himself, and ultimately, the Origin and Ultimate Result of Perfect Logic.

Anyhow, I'm not going to go further down the path of explaining my understanding of God right now. I mainly intend to show you the “Math of Salvation” through Christ.

One of the big questions people seem to have about Salvation, is “How?”. How does one man save the souls of ALL people on earth? How does that make sense in terms of numbers? How is it that the penalty for ALL of our sins can be canceled out by the death and resurrection of Jesus?

Let's examine the factors involved.

First, no impurity can enter Heaven. Just one sin committed will make you impure. Having sinned only once in our lives, we are eternally damned. Also, remember that we all came into this world with original sin, and this sin also makes us impure. The Bible tells us that original sin passes down from the biological father, not the mother. Therefore, as Jesus was born of a virgin birth, he was free of original sin.

Second, before Christ arrived, the Jews (God's Chosen People) would atone for their sins through the sacrifice of blood (animals). I do not really know how that kind of atonement would work, but it seems that those judged to be righteous (and I would assume that means generally “atoned for and of a good heart, action and love for God”), would not go to Heaven, but to “Abraham's Bosom”.

Third, the original Law of the Jews and the only official System of Governance and Law for them, has been, and will always be, their Theocracy. This means Rule By God. The laws given to the Jews by God were both the laws on earth for them and the spiritual laws they were bound to. They were the same. To put it in today's terms, if our laws in America were the Laws that God gave us, it would mean that not paying your taxes, or running a red light, or smoking in a non-smoking area, would not only get you in trouble with the system of law enforcement on earth, but it would also be counted as a sin in heaven.

Fourth, in the Law of the Jews (God's Law for them), you could atone for your crimes/sins, and equally as important in my mind, you could intercede in the punishment of another's crimes/sins. An understanding of intercession is crucial. Example: Say you stole a loaf of bread and the punishment for that is that you have a hand cut off. You're judged to be guilty, and then sentenced. Then, because I have not committed the same crime/sin, I can step in and say that I want my hand cut off as a substitute for yours. In that case, you, the criminal/sinner, would obviously have to agree to the offer made by me. I can't just step in and have my hand cut off without your knowledge and acceptance, and count that as having paid your penalty. This is why you must acknowledge your sins through repentance and accept the gift of salvation.

Numbers play a part here. If you stole two loaves of bread and the punishment is then to have two hands cut off, to intercede fully, I would have to offer up both my hands to be cut off for yours. What happens then if you stole 3? I cannot step in and have 3 hands cut off. I only have 2. You only have 2 as well, so I don't know how they would handle that...but I hope you're getting the gist of this... On Earth, punishments are mathematically linked. One for One. What then can I do if the total punishment for your crime is death? I would then have to give my life to intercede for yours.

The punishments on Earth are not the same as the spiritual punishment. As you may recall, the only spiritual punishment for us is eternal damnation (there are degrees within, but it's still all eternal damnation) - and this is for having sinned only once. If you sin twice, the total punishment is the punishment for the first sin plus the punishment for the second sin. This is where more math starts to kick in. Remember, God is the God of Logic...

An eternity (as in eternal damnation) is an infinite amount of time. Mathematically then, we need to treat eternity like its numerical equivalent (or conceptual, I guess), “Infinity”. Now, what is infinity + 1? That's right, it's infinity. What's infinity times 2 (This would be the amount of time in damnation you would spend for having sinned twice)? Infinity times 2 is also infinity. What is infinity times infinity? Infinity. Infinity to the infinitieth power? Infinity. Get the idea?

So, what could I do to intercede for your sins, spiritually speaking? Well, nothing. I have sinned, and I was tainted from the start with original sin. Plus, because I have sinned once (and much more than once, obviously), I am just as guilty and damned as the rest of mankind. If, however, I had never sinned and had not original sin, I could take on the one sin you have (let's just say you only have one sin to pay for), and I would be damned eternally, and you would not. What if you had committed two sins? Could I pay the penalty for BOTH of your sins, had I never been marked by sin? Absolutely. The spiritual penalty of committing one sin is the same as having committed two, as eternal damnation + eternal damnation = eternal damnation. As a matter of fact, lets say you have committed 8,755,932,001,234 sins in your life. Could I intercede for you spiritually if I had never sinned? Yes. The math is the same. The conditions for it to work would be that I would have never sinned, and that the intercession can be done in terms of the Law. Basically, the system of law under which I would intercede would actually have to have the authority or ability to be not just an Earth-law, but it would also have to be Spiritual-law, which is what we find through the Law - the Theocracy - of the Jews.

So now, what if you had committed an infinite number of sins (not recommended), could you be saved? Yes! The math is still the same. Would I, the person who has never sinned, be able to save two people though? Even if they had both committed an infinite number of sins? Yes! The penalty is the same. As a matter of mathematical fact, if I had never been touched by sin, and the system of law I acted under had authority spiritually to let me intercede, then I could save an infinite number of people even if they had each committed an infinite number of sins. I could intercede for them all because the penalty I would pay is the same penalty I would pay for saving just one person from one of their sins. This is why Jesus is The Perfect Lamb, the Perfect Sacrifice for all our sins. The atonement by his blood and the intercession he gives us as a gift is mathematically perfect to save us from our sins. (It is perfect in many other ways besides just mathematically, as well...but I digress...)

You will never encounter a person on Earth whose love, grace, and mercy exceeds that of God's. He has done His part, it is now up to us to accept His love, grace, mercy, and salvation – and if we have already accepted this, then to thank God and revel in His grace and love, and to love Him back (as you should anyway, even if you had not been given or accepted salvation...because as you know...He kind of gave you everything you have already, and all of existence owes itself to Him).

I am definitely not perfect. I however do not think that my imperfections and unfitness allow me to stand on the sidelines and neglect the Great Commission - the duties I have as a Christian to speak the word. I am a horrible sinner, but my life and my heart are overjoyed by the Love, Grace, Mercy, and Perfection of God and His Plans, and this is why I am sharing what I know. So that you may feel what I feel, no matter what kind of vile sinner you think you may be. God Loves you and gives you salvation freely. You're covered if you accept the gift. It's been mathematically proven.

P.S. The Judeo-Christian faith is the only one that is Mathematically Perfect that I know of. It's been hidden by inattentiveness and a lack of mathematical understanding on our part for thousands of years (infinity as a mathematical concept has only been understood pretty recently). I've studied many other religions, and I cannot find another religion which even makes a real attempt to be mathematical. Most others just try to emulate the mystery and power which is contained in the Bible, but none understood that the Bible was mathematically perfect, so none (as far as I can tell) emulated that. The End.

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Small posts are a problem for me. Sorry.
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AMEN!
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The bible is bullshit
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No it isn't. You just don't understand it.
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AMEN!
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Thanks. Speaking of "Saved By Grace", do you believe (as I do) that the only way to be saved is through Christ?

I used to think there were other ways, but when I understood the math and legality of what was done through Christ's intercession, I knew that the only way was through Him.

Also, do you think that salvation can be taken away, lost or forfeited?
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The bible is bullshit
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No it isn't. You just don't understand it.
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I was given a bible in 1977, dated, inscription, very personal gift, for successfully going through all the training, being confirmed, official member of the church, etc..

In 2009 I finally read the whole thing.
Then I threw it in the trash.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45922344


I did the same.

For about 9 years, I left the faith in a big way. I became suicidal and didn't see the point in much of anything.

I kept investigating other religions and philosophies and would just sit for dozens of hours every week thinking about my purpose and the point of it all.

I went to school for Math and Computer Science. Came out believing in the Bible and Salvation through Christ again, because of the education I got in math.

Unfortunately, I also came out of my 9 years in the wilderness with some bad habits and a kind of disconnect from the type of Christians I was able to easily interact with previously... but I'm still trying to improve...

Question:
Why did you throw it in the trash?
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The bible is bullshit
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No it isn't. You just don't understand it.
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I was given a bible in 1977, dated, inscription, very personal gift, for successfully going through all the training, being confirmed, official member of the church, etc..

In 2009 I finally read the whole thing.
Then I threw it in the trash.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45922344


I did the same.

For about 9 years, I left the faith in a big way. I became suicidal and didn't see the point in much of anything.

I kept investigating other religions and philosophies and would just sit for dozens of hours every week thinking about my purpose and the point of it all.

I went to school for Math and Computer Science. Came out believing in the Bible and Salvation through Christ again, because of the education I got in math.

Unfortunately, I also came out of my 9 years in the wilderness with some bad habits and a kind of disconnect from the type of Christians I was able to easily interact with previously... but I'm still trying to improve...

Question:
Why did you throw it in the trash?
 Quoting: MagTog


I realized, it's a collection of stories. Probably written by either delusional men, or men that never intended it to be taken literally word for word. It has been translated and re-translated over and over, parts are missing, much has probably been deliberately altered for various agendas, and most of it simply defies any logic or reason.

It is a metaphorical story. And not a very good one. And I'm certainly not going to completely change and devote my life to a book like that. (or any book for that matter).

If there is an ultimate power in the universe that created everything, I expect it would want us to use the brains it gave us to THINK, and reason, and work things out for ourselves, and explore and discover, and make mistakes, and all the things that go into being a living thing.

Not obsess over some cryptic garbage in an ancient book, and spend our entire lives trying to decipher it.

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OP, this is how I see it too, for it makes to me much sense.
Although I am not confident relying on my own understanding.

Sorry for not being able to come up with something to add to what you've said.
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No it isn't. You just don't understand it.
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I was given a bible in 1977, dated, inscription, very personal gift, for successfully going through all the training, being confirmed, official member of the church, etc..

In 2009 I finally read the whole thing.
Then I threw it in the trash.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45922344


I did the same.

For about 9 years, I left the faith in a big way. I became suicidal and didn't see the point in much of anything.

I kept investigating other religions and philosophies and would just sit for dozens of hours every week thinking about my purpose and the point of it all.

I went to school for Math and Computer Science. Came out believing in the Bible and Salvation through Christ again, because of the education I got in math.

Unfortunately, I also came out of my 9 years in the wilderness with some bad habits and a kind of disconnect from the type of Christians I was able to easily interact with previously... but I'm still trying to improve...

Question:
Why did you throw it in the trash?
 Quoting: MagTog


I realized, it's a collection of stories. Probably written by either delusional men, or men that never intended it to be taken literally word for word. It has been translated and re-translated over and over, parts are missing, much has probably been deliberately altered for various agendas, and most of it simply defies any logic or reason.

It is a metaphorical story. And not a very good one. And I'm certainly not going to completely change and devote my life to a book like that. (or any book for that matter).

If there is an ultimate power in the universe that created everything, I expect it would want us to use the brains it gave us to THINK, and reason, and work things out for ourselves, and explore and discover, and make mistakes, and all the things that go into being a living thing.

Not obsess over some cryptic garbage in an ancient book, and spend our entire lives trying to decipher it.

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What do you think it was like for Christians before the Bible was compiled? Many churches only had segments of what we now call the Bible. I think the one thing central to all of those old churches was their belief in the gospels...the rest was an aid to help put Christ and Salvation in context.

I don't think ALL of the Bible needs to be known, understood, or even examined to gain salvation.

For me, the proof is in the Math of Salvation. Truly, even if I personally saw a person writing the Bible and the person told me he/she was making everything up, I would still believe the Salvation through Christ that randomly came from this person's pen...just because the math and logic are perfect. God perfect.

I have my doubts about parts of the Bible too. Right now, I'm struggling with Paul, and trying to determine whether his involvement was legit.

I don't think it matters all that much what Paul said though. What's of the most importance is what Jesus said and what he did. The other words, in my opinion, can be ignored.
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OP, this is how I see it too, for it makes to me much sense.
Although I am not confident relying on my own understanding.

Sorry for not being able to come up with something to add to what you've said.
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Thanks, bud. I'm right there with you in not trusting my own understanding. However, when something is confirmed through logic and math, I can tell you of my certainty of understanding, at least that logical portion.

What part of Spain are you in?
I was there in '99 for a Missions trip, handing bibles to Muslims coming over from Morrocco on the ferries. Algeciras, Almeria, some other place near there with ancient Roman aqueducts and some time in Gibraltar. I loved it.
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OP, this is how I see it too, for it makes to me much sense.
Although I am not confident relying on my own understanding.

Sorry for not being able to come up with something to add to what you've said.
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Thanks, bud. I'm right there with you in not trusting my own understanding. However, when something is confirmed through logic and math, I can tell you of my certainty of understanding, at least that logical portion.

What part of Spain are you in?
I was there in '99 for a Missions trip, handing bibles to Muslims coming over from Morrocco on the ferries. Algeciras, Almeria, some other place near there with ancient Roman aqueducts and some time in Gibraltar. I loved it.
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I am in Canarian Islands; but am a russian guy, ukrainian, to be more precise.

I like the math here... with probabilities:



Although they are 351, it seems

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Yeh, but even before his impressive intuitive math I wanted to suggest that that psalmist with heartbeat was somewhat masonic.
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something like that, yes..


Genesis 2:2, 33rd verse of the Bibles

On the seventh day he rested....
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you are a twisted mason after all.
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AMEN!
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Thanks. Speaking of "Saved By Grace", do you believe (as I do) that the only way to be saved is through Christ?

I used to think there were other ways, but when I understood the math and legality of what was done through Christ's intercession, I knew that the only way was through Him.

Also, do you think that salvation can be taken away, lost or forfeited?
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Yes, I think Christ is the only way.. I don't think you can lose your salvation. If you don't do anything to earn it, how can you do anything to lose it? That would be saying His work on the cross was not sufficient.
I do think you can backslide and live like you're lost, but I believe God will give you some wakeup calls if that happens.
I also believe that many who claim to no longer believe never REALLY believed to start with. I mean, once you grasp how great a thing God has done for us, and how undeserving we are, how could you ever turn your back on Him?
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This is something that needs to be taught in church. It will help a lot of people in their faith. Thanks.
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Was the original post too difficult to read? I can probably format it better and clean up some confusion, elaborate more or simplify where needed, etc...

Feedback?
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Small posts are a problem for me. Sorry.
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i've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and i'm all out of bubble gum.rex
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Yet all you can do on here is
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AMEN!
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Thanks. Speaking of "Saved By Grace", do you believe (as I do) that the only way to be saved is through Christ?

I used to think there were other ways, but when I understood the math and legality of what was done through Christ's intercession, I knew that the only way was through Him.

Also, do you think that salvation can be taken away, lost or forfeited?
 Quoting: MagTog


I totally get (but never thought of before) that when someone steps in to have his hand cut off in place of the robber, that his gift of saving your hand from being cut off has to be presented to you (the robber) and accepted in order for the replacement to be valid.
I never thought of salvation in this manner before and this is what being saved really is. It really helps when you use this illustration and why each one in order to be saved must ACCEPT Christ's death in replacement for ours.
Thanks for this thought- provoking thread OP.

As far as once saved always saved is concerned, I still have times of indecision re this. From my own experience though, once a person has accepted God's plan of salvation, and if sincere at the time, God will often cause some life situations where the backslidden person will be humbled and be brought back into the fold. But,I've seen some ppl curse God and never repent before they die. I don't see how they can still be saved while still in this state.
Only God can read the heart.
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Thank you for taking the time to post this thread.. I am sharing this with my husband who thinks more mathmatically...
this has made an impression on me and I am sure it will make one on him. I have never thought of Christs ransom in this way.. it opens doors, again THANK YOU!!
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AMEN!
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Thanks. Speaking of "Saved By Grace", do you believe (as I do) that the only way to be saved is through Christ?

I used to think there were other ways, but when I understood the math and legality of what was done through Christ's intercession, I knew that the only way was through Him.

Also, do you think that salvation can be taken away, lost or forfeited?
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I totally get (but never thought of before) that when someone steps in to have his hand cut off in place of the robber, that his gift of saving your hand from being cut off has to be presented to you (the robber) and accepted in order for the replacement to be valid.
I never thought of salvation in this manner before and this is what being saved really is. It really helps when you use this illustration and why each one in order to be saved must ACCEPT Christ's death in replacement for ours.
Thanks for this thought- provoking thread OP.

As far as once saved always saved is concerned, I still have times of indecision re this. From my own experience though, once a person has accepted God's plan of salvation, and if sincere at the time, God will often cause some life situations where the backslidden person will be humbled and be brought back into the fold. But,I've seen some ppl curse God and never repent before they die. I don't see how they can still be saved while still in this state.
Only God can read the heart.
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Thank you for your feedback! I'm so happy some people are finding worth in what I wrote. The logical aspects of God and salvation are what brought me back to the faith.

As for being brought back into the fold...I'm getting a big dose of that right now. Life is going crazy and falling apart...but it's bringing me closer to the path I should have been on anyway.

After much thought, I think that even those that backslide and die while cursing God are still eligible to receive salvation, due to the math. I can't say how God would judge them though, but one thing is for sure - we would not curse God or backslide had we not been deceived by the Lucifer and the world. A fair judge that knows everything would take all into consideration. God will be/is a fair judge. That should not give us the feeling that we can backslide as much as we want - that the initial acceptance of the gift is all that counts. Just like you said, only God can read our hearts...and that is what matters most - after the acceptance of the gift of intercession, of course.
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Thank you for taking the time to post this thread.. I am sharing this with my husband who thinks more mathmatically...
this has made an impression on me and I am sure it will make one on him. I have never thought of Christs ransom in this way.. it opens doors, again THANK YOU!!
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Awesome! Thank you!!!

Could you let me know what he (and you) thinks after reading it? I worry that I didn't convey the message well enough.

Thanks again for the feedback, guys.
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Wow. Just look at my red. You don't see hate for Jesus like that very much, nor reasoning that starved of intelligence.

I have a feeling I know who left it too. Hint: He has 1 red karma vote and about 5k greens, almost all of which were for "reporting an abusive post". Anyhow, with someone like that, who deletes all of their red by using cheater green, so concerned with their own image and such an arrogant, speech-censoring, ocd thread rat, I don't really have a response. Pearls to swine it would be.

Get that guy World of Warcraft. Maybe he'll disappear into it.
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With a math error like 1+1=1 I can prove I'm Gawd because God is one, I'm one, and 1+1 is one Gawd.

Anyway, with correct math Pascal proved that an honest faith is worth more than everything you might ever earn and more. So it may not be a proof of where the truth is but its a motive to read and learn about the topic enough to make an honest decision.


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Great post!
EVERYTHING that was created by The LORD is mathematically perfect, and it all works together in ways that the simple minds of human beings will NEVER, EVER understand.
We are offered Salvation through the Grace of Jesus that exceeds all understanding. All we have to do is reach out and accept what we're being offered through HIM, by believing in HIM, asking for forgiveness and inviting HIM to dwell in your heart. We'll be sinners until the day we die, but we'll still be saved.
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With a math error like 1+1=1 I can prove I'm Gawd because God is one, I'm one, and 1+1 is one Gawd.

Anyway, with correct math Pascal proved that an honest faith is worth more than everything you might ever earn and more. So it may not be a proof of where the truth is but its a motive to read and learn about the topic enough to make an honest decision.


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Hrm. Did I make an error?
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Great post!
EVERYTHING that was created by The LORD is mathematically perfect, and it all works together in ways that the simple minds of human beings will NEVER, EVER understand.
We are offered Salvation through the Grace of Jesus that exceeds all understanding. All we have to do is reach out and accept what we're being offered through HIM, by believing in HIM, asking for forgiveness and inviting HIM to dwell in your heart. We'll be sinners until the day we die, but we'll still be saved.
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Absolutely Correct!
Thank God there are still some people like you.

I hate that I'm still a sinner, but knowing I am saved gives me strength.
All glory to God.
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With a math error like 1+1=1 I can prove I'm Gawd because God is one, I'm one, and 1+1 is one Gawd.

Anyway, with correct math Pascal proved that an honest faith is worth more than everything you might ever earn and more. So it may not be a proof of where the truth is but its a motive to read and learn about the topic enough to make an honest decision.


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Hrm. Did I make an error?
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Good video btw. I really like the explanations involving expected value, as well as the personal testimony. Thanks!
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Re: Math of Salvation
Great post!
EVERYTHING that was created by The LORD is mathematically perfect, and it all works together in ways that the simple minds of human beings will NEVER, EVER understand.
We are offered Salvation through the Grace of Jesus that exceeds all understanding. All we have to do is reach out and accept what we're being offered through HIM, by believing in HIM, asking for forgiveness and inviting HIM to dwell in your heart. We'll be sinners until the day we die, but we'll still be saved.
 Quoting: SweetLilTT


Absolutely Correct!
Thank God there are still some people like you.

I hate that I'm still a sinner, but knowing I am saved gives me strength.
All glory to God.
 Quoting: Galfeslaf



I hate it that I'm a FILTHY sinner, and sometimes when I think about how Jesus pursued me, carried me and saved me, when I didn't deserve HIS love, it breaks my heart. I owe EVERYTHING to HIM, everything.
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With a math error like 1+1=1 I can prove I'm Gawd because God is one, I'm one, and 1+1 is one Gawd.

Anyway, with correct math Pascal proved that an honest faith is worth more than everything you might ever earn and more. So it may not be a proof of where the truth is but its a motive to read and learn about the topic enough to make an honest decision.


 Quoting: reitze


Hrm. Did I make an error?
 Quoting: Galfeslaf


Good video btw. I really like the explanations involving expected value, as well as the personal testimony. Thanks!
 Quoting: Galfeslaf


Thanks. I'm an engineer but I did take some philosophy and it was all about pointing out the obvious errors people tried to use in BS arguments. Seems interpretation of Pascal's Wager is loaded that way too - and because it was meaningful to me I desired to put out my take on it.

BTW IDK about you... did you error? about what?
Dare to dream
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P.S. The Judeo-Christian faith is the only one that is Mathematically Perfect that I know of.
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 Quoting: MagTog

stop here ^!
There is NO such religion "Judeo-Christian" !
There is Christianism (a higher philosophy based on forgiveness) and there is Judaism (a tooth for tooth hateful "philosophy")
That ^ "new age" mix is another lie of those who conspired to kill Christ. (<-- period)
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You're right that there is no "Judeo-Christian" faith (although I would be surprised if no-one tried to make a hybrid of the two). My bad....although I think most people understood what I was trying to say. I guess I should have said that the Bible is mathematically perfect and the Protestant Christian faith does the best at interpreting the Bible, out of all other faiths...and that no other religion comes close to being backed by mathematical perfection.That took a lot of words...I'm hoping most people understood my shorthand to be what I meant it to be.

However, you do know that Jesus said not one bit of the law will change, right? So...it still is "Judeo" in a sense. What Jesus did is defeat the law by taking on the sins of the world...further explained in the original post.

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