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God's Kingdom is not "within" ones heart- It is a real government ruling from heaven
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


How do they hold the Kingdom if not from their hearts?
 Quoting: PPP


Here's how we can benefit from the relief and benefits Jehovah's kingdom will bring, after defeating Satan's reign of terror;
"After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
Mt22:37
 Quoting: DGN


Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

What do you make of this?
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Jehovah was speaking to his firstborn of all creation, Jesus in his prehumen existence-(Colossians 1:15, 16)
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How do they hold the Kingdom if not from their hearts?
 Quoting: PPP


Here's how we can benefit from the relief and benefits Jehovah's kingdom will bring, after defeating Satan's reign of terror;
"After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
Mt22:37
 Quoting: DGN


Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

What do you make of this?
 Quoting: two books


Jehovah was speaking to his firstborn of all creation, Jesus in his prehumen existence-(Colossians 1:15, 16)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are surmising.
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Here's how we can benefit from the relief and benefits Jehovah's kingdom will bring, after defeating Satan's reign of terror;
"After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
Mt22:37
 Quoting: DGN


Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

What do you make of this?
 Quoting: two books


Jehovah was speaking to his firstborn of all creation, Jesus in his prehumen existence-(Colossians 1:15, 16)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are surmising.
 Quoting: two books


Really? Who was he talking to then?
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That's the question, isn't it? I don't know and neither do you. You can only guess.

Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

What do you make of this?
 Quoting: two books


Jehovah was speaking to his firstborn of all creation, Jesus in his prehumen existence-(Colossians 1:15, 16)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are surmising.
 Quoting: two books


Really? Who was he talking to then?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden
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Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

What do you make of this?
 Quoting: two books


Jehovah was speaking to his firstborn of all creation, Jesus in his prehumen existence-(Colossians 1:15, 16)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are surmising.
 Quoting: two books


Really? Who was he talking to then?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


That's the question, isn't it? I don't know and neither do you. You can only guess.
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Jehovah was speaking to his firstborn of all creation, Jesus in his prehumen existence-(Colossians 1:15, 16)
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are surmising.
 Quoting: two books


Really? Who was he talking to then?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


That's the question, isn't it? I don't know and neither do you. You can only guess.
 Quoting: two books






"2 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men."-Proverbs 8:22-31
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Thy Kingdom Come

Thy will be done


ON EARTH

AS IT IS IN HEAVEN...

 Quoting: christian


yes, children first basically

It is the fathers will that we worship the son
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Don't forget the Father.
 Quoting: Harbinger Of Truth


Jesus Christ is the Son, not the Father

in Christianity, the only way to 'the kingdom' is to worship the Son
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


That's just one of many issues I had with protestant churches. They worship Jesus like he just lives down the street. Very little mention of "God" in their teachings.
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You are surmising.
 Quoting: two books


Really? Who was he talking to then?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


That's the question, isn't it? I don't know and neither do you. You can only guess.
 Quoting: two books






"2 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men."-Proverbs 8:22-31
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The Proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel?

Seems to be Solomon speaking about himself. Nowhere does it mention Jesus. Again, you surmise.
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We have rejected his message. look around you !




I would be pissed too... The planet getting all high on his presence.. something beyond holy...beyond comprehension.
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Demons....
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Fucking beast.

Aint my problem. I will take what is mine; maybe you will know when I am gone.
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You should have mailed the check.
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Really? Who was he talking to then?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


That's the question, isn't it? I don't know and neither do you. You can only guess.
 Quoting: two books






"2 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men."-Proverbs 8:22-31
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The Proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel?

Seems to be Solomon speaking about himself. Nowhere does it mention Jesus. Again, you surmise.
 Quoting: two books




Ummm if you read the verses closely, logic has it that it isn't Solomon speaking about himself- was Solomon there before god created the earth? Was he God's "Master worker"- when you read this scripture and the one I already quoted at Colossian's- the puzzle becomes clearer- not to mention many other scriptures
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That's the question, isn't it? I don't know and neither do you. You can only guess.
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"2 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men."-Proverbs 8:22-31
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The Proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel?

Seems to be Solomon speaking about himself. Nowhere does it mention Jesus. Again, you surmise.
 Quoting: two books




Ummm if you read the verses closely, logic has it that it isn't Solomon speaking about himself- was Solomon there before god created the earth? Was he God's "Master worker"- when you read this scripture and the one I already quoted at Colossian's- the puzzle becomes clearer- not to mention many other scriptures
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh,the Bible is a puzzle? So,according to you, 30 chapters of Solomon's Proverbs is Solomon but 1 Chapter that doesn't mention Jesus is somehow about Jesus because you want it to be.

See this is what I mean. Bible thumpers interpret the book to mean whatever fits their notions. If you had any real respect for the book you would take it to mean just what it says (granted its language is rather antiquated). Why attribute mystical fanatasies for everything. Read it, for a change, the way you would read any other account of something that happened.

If you read an account of a Lord so and so in Great Britain do you assume this Lord is God?
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If the Jehovah's Witness Governing Body says one thing...Then turns around and say the opposite, how can one say the light is getting brighter? Because what is described above is the OPPOSITE!
 Quoting: BANE 44369151


God's Kingdom is not "within" ones heart- It is a real government ruling from heaven
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


How do they hold the Kingdom if not from their hearts?
 Quoting: PPP


Here's how we can benefit from the relief and benefits Jehovah's kingdom will bring, after defeating Satan's reign of terror;
"After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
Mt22:37
 Quoting: DGN


If by God you mean a Master, then I am my self God
but if you mean a Creator, I rather like to praise life itself and don't give to fomented names
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The secret to find the kingdom of God, is to fast for a few days (water only) while praying, and only if your doctor okays it. It happened after 3 days for me.

Listen to this:


John 14:27
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
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"2 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men."-Proverbs 8:22-31
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


The Proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel?

Seems to be Solomon speaking about himself. Nowhere does it mention Jesus. Again, you surmise.
 Quoting: two books




Ummm if you read the verses closely, logic has it that it isn't Solomon speaking about himself- was Solomon there before god created the earth? Was he God's "Master worker"- when you read this scripture and the one I already quoted at Colossian's- the puzzle becomes clearer- not to mention many other scriptures
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh,the Bible is a puzzle? So,according to you, 30 chapters of Solomon's Proverbs is Solomon but 1 Chapter that doesn't mention Jesus is somehow about Jesus because you want it to be.

See this is what I mean. Bible thumpers interpret the book to mean whatever fits their notions. If you had any real respect for the book you would take it to mean just what it says (granted its language is rather antiquated). Why attribute mystical fanatasies for everything. Read it, for a change, the way you would read any other account of something that happened.

If you read an account of a Lord so and so in Great Britain do you assume this Lord is God?
 Quoting: two books


With all due respect, you have given no understanding whatsoever

And anything of an explanation given you would only would fall upon deaf ears I fear

If you can explain the hope for the future and a better understanding into the subject at hand, please do
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The Proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel?

Seems to be Solomon speaking about himself. Nowhere does it mention Jesus. Again, you surmise.
 Quoting: two books




Ummm if you read the verses closely, logic has it that it isn't Solomon speaking about himself- was Solomon there before god created the earth? Was he God's "Master worker"- when you read this scripture and the one I already quoted at Colossian's- the puzzle becomes clearer- not to mention many other scriptures
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh,the Bible is a puzzle? So,according to you, 30 chapters of Solomon's Proverbs is Solomon but 1 Chapter that doesn't mention Jesus is somehow about Jesus because you want it to be.

See this is what I mean. Bible thumpers interpret the book to mean whatever fits their notions. If you had any real respect for the book you would take it to mean just what it says (granted its language is rather antiquated). Why attribute mystical fanatasies for everything. Read it, for a change, the way you would read any other account of something that happened.

If you read an account of a Lord so and so in Great Britain do you assume this Lord is God?
 Quoting: two books


With all due respect, you have given no understanding whatsoever

And anything of an explanation given you would only would fall upon deaf ears I fear

If you can explain the hope for the future and a better understanding into the subject at hand, please do
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are the one making the statements of fact, not me. I don't believe. There is only knowing and not knowing. I don't KNOW anything about what God is. What Heaven is. Who Jesus was. etc... You claim that you do but all you can do is post up Bible quotes that don't prove your contentions.

You say there is a real government in Heaven. O.K. Tell me what Heaven is. Where is it? What goes on there? How do you KNOW?

"Know;
to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth."

You must know about the place you so desperately want to go to, right?
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Ummm if you read the verses closely, logic has it that it isn't Solomon speaking about himself- was Solomon there before god created the earth? Was he God's "Master worker"- when you read this scripture and the one I already quoted at Colossian's- the puzzle becomes clearer- not to mention many other scriptures
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh,the Bible is a puzzle? So,according to you, 30 chapters of Solomon's Proverbs is Solomon but 1 Chapter that doesn't mention Jesus is somehow about Jesus because you want it to be.

See this is what I mean. Bible thumpers interpret the book to mean whatever fits their notions. If you had any real respect for the book you would take it to mean just what it says (granted its language is rather antiquated). Why attribute mystical fanatasies for everything. Read it, for a change, the way you would read any other account of something that happened.

If you read an account of a Lord so and so in Great Britain do you assume this Lord is God?
 Quoting: two books


With all due respect, you have given no understanding whatsoever

And anything of an explanation given you would only would fall upon deaf ears I fear

If you can explain the hope for the future and a better understanding into the subject at hand, please do
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are the one making the statements of fact, not me. I don't believe. There is only knowing and not knowing. I don't KNOW anything about what God is. What Heaven is. Who Jesus was. etc... You claim that you do but all you can do is post up Bible quotes that don't prove your contentions.

You say there is a real government in Heaven. O.K. Tell me what Heaven is. Where is it? What goes on there? How do you KNOW?

"Know;
to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth."

You must know about the place you so desperately want to go to, right?
 Quoting: two books


Well, considering the fact that my hope is NOT going to heaven, my knowledge of that dimension is as limited as any human. Other than what the Bible reveals about heaven....

Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides


The knowledge the Bible holds out as to who God is, who Jesus is, what God's Kingdom is etc... is an equal opportunity to all to learn, it is just a matter of whether one chooses to learn or not
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Oh,the Bible is a puzzle? So,according to you, 30 chapters of Solomon's Proverbs is Solomon but 1 Chapter that doesn't mention Jesus is somehow about Jesus because you want it to be.

See this is what I mean. Bible thumpers interpret the book to mean whatever fits their notions. If you had any real respect for the book you would take it to mean just what it says (granted its language is rather antiquated). Why attribute mystical fanatasies for everything. Read it, for a change, the way you would read any other account of something that happened.

If you read an account of a Lord so and so in Great Britain do you assume this Lord is God?
 Quoting: two books


With all due respect, you have given no understanding whatsoever

And anything of an explanation given you would only would fall upon deaf ears I fear

If you can explain the hope for the future and a better understanding into the subject at hand, please do
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are the one making the statements of fact, not me. I don't believe. There is only knowing and not knowing. I don't KNOW anything about what God is. What Heaven is. Who Jesus was. etc... You claim that you do but all you can do is post up Bible quotes that don't prove your contentions.

You say there is a real government in Heaven. O.K. Tell me what Heaven is. Where is it? What goes on there? How do you KNOW?

"Know;
to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth."

You must know about the place you so desperately want to go to, right?
 Quoting: two books


Well, considering the fact that my hope is NOT going to heaven, my knowledge of that dimension is as limited as any human. Other than what the Bible reveals about heaven....

Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides


The knowledge the Bible holds out as to who God is, who Jesus is, what God's Kingdom is etc... is an equal opportunity to all to learn, it is just a matter of whether one chooses to learn or not
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


So, you are a Christian who does not want to go to Heaven? Strange.

"Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides" That's it? That is all the Bible has taught you about Heaven? You are vague and disingenuous as you try to hide the fact that you really don't understand what you are preaching.
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With all due respect, you have given no understanding whatsoever

And anything of an explanation given you would only would fall upon deaf ears I fear

If you can explain the hope for the future and a better understanding into the subject at hand, please do
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are the one making the statements of fact, not me. I don't believe. There is only knowing and not knowing. I don't KNOW anything about what God is. What Heaven is. Who Jesus was. etc... You claim that you do but all you can do is post up Bible quotes that don't prove your contentions.

You say there is a real government in Heaven. O.K. Tell me what Heaven is. Where is it? What goes on there? How do you KNOW?

"Know;
to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth."

You must know about the place you so desperately want to go to, right?
 Quoting: two books


Well, considering the fact that my hope is NOT going to heaven, my knowledge of that dimension is as limited as any human. Other than what the Bible reveals about heaven....

Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides


The knowledge the Bible holds out as to who God is, who Jesus is, what God's Kingdom is etc... is an equal opportunity to all to learn, it is just a matter of whether one chooses to learn or not
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


So, you are a Christian who does not want to go to Heaven? Strange.

"Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides" That's it? That is all the Bible has taught you about Heaven? You are vague and disingenuous as you try to hide the fact that you really don't understand what you are preaching.
 Quoting: two books


If you have insight about heaven share it, we're listening.
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You are the one making the statements of fact, not me. I don't believe. There is only knowing and not knowing. I don't KNOW anything about what God is. What Heaven is. Who Jesus was. etc... You claim that you do but all you can do is post up Bible quotes that don't prove your contentions.

You say there is a real government in Heaven. O.K. Tell me what Heaven is. Where is it? What goes on there? How do you KNOW?

"Know;
to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth."

You must know about the place you so desperately want to go to, right?
 Quoting: two books


Well, considering the fact that my hope is NOT going to heaven, my knowledge of that dimension is as limited as any human. Other than what the Bible reveals about heaven....

Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides


The knowledge the Bible holds out as to who God is, who Jesus is, what God's Kingdom is etc... is an equal opportunity to all to learn, it is just a matter of whether one chooses to learn or not
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


So, you are a Christian who does not want to go to Heaven? Strange.

"Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides" That's it? That is all the Bible has taught you about Heaven? You are vague and disingenuous as you try to hide the fact that you really don't understand what you are preaching.
 Quoting: two books


If you have insight about heaven share it, we're listening. What work do the chosen ones do there?
 Quoting: DGN

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Re: If God's Kingdom is just in "one's heart"- why did Jesus say THIS:
Rudolf Steiner, the Christian clairvoyant, said that the true Lord's Prayer was this, and he spoke it aloud daily.


Father,
You who were, are and will be
In our inmost being,
May your name be glorified and praised in us.
May your kingdom grow in our deeds
and inmost lives.
May we perform your will as
you, Father, lay it down in our inmost being.
You give us spiritual nourishment, the bread of life, superabundantly
in all the changing conditions of our lives.
Let our mercy toward others make up for the sins done to our being.
You do not allow the tempter to work in us beyond the capacity of our strength - for nn temptation can live in your being, Father, and the tempter is only appearance and delusion,
from which you lead us, Father, through the light of knowledge.
May your power and glory work in us
through all periods and ages of time.

Amen.
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Re: If God's Kingdom is just in "one's heart"- why did Jesus say THIS:
Rudolf Steiner, the Christian clairvoyant, said that the true Lord's Prayer was this, and he spoke it aloud daily.


Father,
You who were, are and will be
In our inmost being,
May your name be glorified and praised in us.
May your kingdom grow in our deeds
and inmost lives.
May we perform your will as
you, Father, lay it down in our inmost being.
You give us spiritual nourishment, the bread of life, superabundantly
in all the changing conditions of our lives.
Let our mercy toward others make up for the sins done to our being.
You do not allow the tempter to work in us beyond the capacity of our strength - for nn temptation can live in your being, Father, and the tempter is only appearance and delusion,
from which you lead us, Father, through the light of knowledge.
May your power and glory work in us
through all periods and ages of time.

Amen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14804591


Commendations on an exquisite explanation of the Lord"s prayer, may Jehovah grant you strength, conviction, and determination to teach and inspire all whom you can.
"After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.” Mt22:34:hf
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Re: If God's Kingdom is just in "one's heart"- why did Jesus say THIS:
Rudolf Steiner, the Christian clairvoyant, said that the true Lord's Prayer was this, and he spoke it aloud daily.


Father,
You who were, are and will be
In our inmost being,
May your name be glorified and praised in us.
May your kingdom grow in our deeds
and inmost lives.
May we perform your will as
you, Father, lay it down in our inmost being.
You give us spiritual nourishment, the bread of life, superabundantly
in all the changing conditions of our lives.
Let our mercy toward others make up for the sins done to our being.
You do not allow the tempter to work in us beyond the capacity of our strength - for nn temptation can live in your being, Father, and the tempter is only appearance and delusion,
from which you lead us, Father, through the light of knowledge.
May your power and glory work in us
through all periods and ages of time.

Amen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14804591


Change not the words given of man lest the warning in revelations come upon you.
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When you understand the kingdom is within you gods will be done.
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"Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth"- Matthew 6:9, 10
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Earth and Heart are the same thing.

eart-h = World (above)
h-eart = love (below)
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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Re: If God's Kingdom is just in "one's heart"- why did Jesus say THIS:
Rudolf Steiner, the Christian clairvoyant, said that the true Lord's Prayer was this, and he spoke it aloud daily.


Father,
You who were, are and will be
In our inmost being,
May your name be glorified and praised in us.
May your kingdom grow in our deeds
and inmost lives.
May we perform your will as
you, Father, lay it down in our inmost being.
You give us spiritual nourishment, the bread of life, superabundantly
in all the changing conditions of our lives.
Let our mercy toward others make up for the sins done to our being.
You do not allow the tempter to work in us beyond the capacity of our strength - for nn temptation can live in your being, Father, and the tempter is only appearance and delusion,
from which you lead us, Father, through the light of knowledge.
May your power and glory work in us
through all periods and ages of time.

Amen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14804591


Change not the words given of man lest the warning in revelations come upon you.
 Quoting: LightofChrist 47437800


Due warning is well given, there are no 'Christian" clairvoyants (Du18:10) but the simplification of Jesus prayer was well done.
However, regarding clairvoyants consider the warning;
"When you are entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God." De18:11
damned
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because the Kingdomis like a seed..it is within us..but as a seed..it has to grow ..so it can produce the fruits..
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You get to clean all earthly stuffs, make space, then start planting Kingdom of God seed .
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Oh,the Bible is a puzzle? So,according to you, 30 chapters of Solomon's Proverbs is Solomon but 1 Chapter that doesn't mention Jesus is somehow about Jesus because you want it to be.

See this is what I mean. Bible thumpers interpret the book to mean whatever fits their notions. If you had any real respect for the book you would take it to mean just what it says (granted its language is rather antiquated). Why attribute mystical fanatasies for everything. Read it, for a change, the way you would read any other account of something that happened.

If you read an account of a Lord so and so in Great Britain do you assume this Lord is God?
 Quoting: two books


With all due respect, you have given no understanding whatsoever

And anything of an explanation given you would only would fall upon deaf ears I fear

If you can explain the hope for the future and a better understanding into the subject at hand, please do
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


You are the one making the statements of fact, not me. I don't believe. There is only knowing and not knowing. I don't KNOW anything about what God is. What Heaven is. Who Jesus was. etc... You claim that you do but all you can do is post up Bible quotes that don't prove your contentions.

You say there is a real government in Heaven. O.K. Tell me what Heaven is. Where is it? What goes on there? How do you KNOW?

"Know;
to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth."

You must know about the place you so desperately want to go to, right?
 Quoting: two books


Well, considering the fact that my hope is NOT going to heaven, my knowledge of that dimension is as limited as any human. Other than what the Bible reveals about heaven....

Heaven is a spiritual realm where the Creator resides


The knowledge the Bible holds out as to who God is, who Jesus is, what God's Kingdom is etc... is an equal opportunity to all to learn, it is just a matter of whether one chooses to learn or not
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Heaven as in the place the Father originates from is not a dimension of this universe it is beyond the comprehension of human mind and beyond your realms. However heavens can be seen also as the spaces above including dimension in this way dimensions can change and new organisations be formed. Hence the new earth and heavens is symbolic reference of coming new worlds and new dimensions as old are changed and purified and made whole.

Few will even remain to see the Millennium most will spend a time in the lower dimensions of underworlds. Only the 144,000 will be righteous enough to be spared the risk of second death the rest will experience much hardship before being able to be saved, and this is due to eternal law for they were not found ready when the Spirit called and died in their sins. They did not recognize the Light when the light spoke to them nor knew him, for truth escaped them and they found only lies.

It is written Jesus shall adopt those whom are redeemed of earth becoming their Father, Lord and God. Through the adoption of the Son of God is those redeemed become children of God and part of family of Heavens which is beyond the earths realm. The Son of God shall establish a kingdom indeed on earth in a new world during the Millennium, and in that time the influence of Hell shall be sealed away and the ways and mystery of Heaven taught openly to the many worlds redeemed.

But before that time comes the earth shall fall as Babylon, and this shall be dimensional and hell will open up unto world as if the opening of a pit and torment shall be as-if the choking of smoke in all the days of those tribulations. This will occur because of mankind's love of sin and the wickedness and selfishness that all mankind has lived by, blessed are they whom die henceforth in name of Lord seeking to uphold righteousness and counted not as hypocrites. For in those days I speak of now shall Antichrist arise to rule and he will come forth after a great destruction has befalling the earth, and shall seek the destruction of those whom believe in Christ.

And they whom have not filled themselves in oil shall be overtaken in spirit by his presence as darkness consumeth their souls and they shall fall to the mark and accept his kingdoms rule and commit all manner of evils and abominations. For behold to not believe in God gives power to demonic spirits to overtake the flesh and mind and bind the soul to underworld leading to the evil potential within the person to manifest as rotten fruits. Those Christians whom are hypocrites whom shall forsake their faith in the hardships and sufferings they will endure and shall choose to remain in kingdom of Mammon as his servant than to give their life in name of Lord. They shall be as counted as the goats with the unbelievers.

Prepare ye world the hour is almost at hand that the earth shall sway as a drunkard to and fro, that she shall lose her place in space. Behold the sign of the Sun for as mankind rejects the Light of Christ so shall the Sun darken it light and behold mankind is out of time, in crack of thunder and like lightning and with mighty shaking shall the pit of hell burst forth as the smoke of a volcano then mankind will be faced with a time that has never been since worlds were formed nor shall ever be again. Many people just by what they see shall be so terrified that they will have heart-attacks for their hearts will fail them, behold in beginning of the great tribulation shall even a third of humanity die and their souls shall be taken into underworlds of hell.

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