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Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?

 
Manifest Destiny
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Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
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intersting question, anyone want to answer?
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In the United States in the 19th century, Manifest destiny was the widely held belief that American settlers were destined to expand across the continent. Miller argues:

Historians have for the most part agreed that there are three basic themes to Manifest Destiny. 1. The special virtues of the American people and their institutions; 2. America's mission to redeem and remake the world in the image of America; 3. A divine destiny under God's direction to accomplish this wonderful task.[1]

Historian Frederick Merk said this concept was born out of "A sense of mission to redeem the Old World by high example [...] generated by the potentialities of a new earth for building a new heaven".[2]

Historians have emphasized that "Manifest Destiny" was a contested concept--many prominent Americans (such as Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Grant and most Whigs and Republicans) rejected it. Historian Daniel Walker Howe wrote, "Nevertheless American imperialism did not represent an American consensus; it provoked bitter dissent within the national polity."[3] Nationwide, probably most Democrats supported Manifest Destiny and most Whigs strongly opposed it.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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09/22/2013 07:26 AM
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
 Quoting: Manifest Destiny 46057115


Because they are the loudest.

Up till now, it has worked.
Anonymous Coward
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09/22/2013 07:33 AM
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
Yes - not God but the Archon Yahweh. The reasons why are too divorced from the memes that TPTB (Lucifer) have saturated you with for me to attempt to explain.
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
Yes - not God but the Archon Yahweh. The reasons why are too divorced from the memes that TPTB (Lucifer) have saturated you with for me to attempt to explain.
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If you can't explain your reasons for believing this, you can't expect to convince others of your point of view.
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I don't think it was the intent as Americans so much as the expressed intent of our existing freedom of speech to spread the word of Jesus Christ and His Good News.

I think something has been lost in the translation. While economically we have been able to provide food and clothing to those less fortunate (it's easier to tell the truth of Christ when someone's belly is full and they have a roof over their head)the environment that prevents the common man to provide those basic needs for themselves, ie., despotic rulers, etc., are much harder to remove without the show of force or insurgence of troops, etc.

You can see how with good intent it can be perceived as something else...

Does anyone disagree it's kind or fair that innocent people should be gassed by their own government? It's horrid of course, we should be outraged that this happen to our fellow man. Should we do something about it? I think we should.

The unpopularity of that decision is what we promise when we can do something about it~~~risking our loved ones and resources to that end. Is it a governmental decision? Or is it personal one?

Are we too big to care? Can a group of individuals banded together as a nation make decisions that affect other nation states? Or should a group of individuals from a nation band together and volunteer to take out Assad.....

I can't, I'm infirm, but I'd contribute my tax dollars to anyone who had the guts to do it. Evil needs to be removed from this world when we have the means to do it...
Definitely not made for this world--at least not this century.

...you are dangerous to everyone---not because you are ungifted, but because you embrace evil with your teachings. In so doing, in trying to be kind, to be unselfish, in trying to be nonjudgmental, you allow evil to become far more powerful than it otherwise would. You refuse to see evil, and so you welcome it among you. You allow it to exist. You give it power over you. You are a people who have welcomed death and refuse to denounce it. You are an empire naked to the shadow of evil. Terry Goodkind, NAKED EMPIRE
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
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Exceptional Joke.
Anonymous Coward
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09/22/2013 08:29 AM
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
What moral values are we talking about here, exactly?
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If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
 Quoting: Manifest Destiny 46057115


beaten in the orient, beaten in the middle east, beaten in south america, beaten in europe.

How is that imposing things going for God and his chosen people?
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If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
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Because no other country was founded on the principles of individual freedom and limited government.
 Quoting: Rogue Messenger


Well, that party's pretty much over, if you hadn't noticed.
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09/22/2013 08:39 AM
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If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
 Quoting: Manifest Destiny 46057115


Because no other country was founded on the principles of individual freedom and limited government.
 Quoting: Rogue Messenger


Greece and Rome were early tryouts.
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09/22/2013 08:45 AM
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
The French, British and the American Empires were/are tools of globalism. It’s like forming activist groups to change society, just on a larger scale. There are 2 expansionist ideologies right now; The Islamic International and the Marxist International(banking cartel). The US (government,media banks) has been taken over and is used to breakdown other societies, so the banking cartel can seize control. World government is the goal.
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those who were duped into believing they were chosen duped others into thinking they were number one. those who think theyre number one believe its best to force the beliefs that benefit the ones who think they were chosen onto others.
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Just as bad as the other lot..
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
No. I think however they think they have. I think it is very unlikely that god intends anyone to impose anything on others. Imposing and showing are to different things.
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
No - the idea of 'manifest destiny' is political nonsense used to rationalize murder and theft.
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
 Quoting: Manifest Destiny 46057115


Because they are the loudest.

Up till now, it has worked.
 Quoting: Great White 47196469


laugh
An Australian calling someone loud.
Anonymous Coward
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
No - the idea of 'manifest destiny' is political nonsense used to rationalize murder and theft.
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History is nothing but suffering.

There were many other great disasters in different societies, not race related (as usually defined) but of dramatic harshness. The nature of these disasters, some within a very limited time span, some spread out in time, pose issues concerning what types and magnitudes of events societies can cope with and allow recovery from without suffering severe permanent declines.
These include:

Limited

A) Famines:
* China (1958-62): 30-40 million
* North China (1867-79): 9-13 million
* India (1769-70): 3-10 million
* Russia (1932-34): 10 million
* Ireland (1846-51): 1 million (over one-ninth of the population)

B) Mainly Diseases:
* Black Death in Europe (1347-51) c. 20-26 million (about one-quarter to one-third of Europe’s population)
* Amerindian population (sixteenth Century) c. 40 million (about 80 percent of its precontact population)
* Australian Aborginies (1788-1850): c. 700,000
* Worldwide Influenza (1918-19): 25-50 million

C) Internal Uprising:
* China -Taiping Rebellion (1850-1864): c. 20 million
* Russian Purges and Collectivization (1930’s): c. 15-25 million
* World War II Holocaust (1941-1945): over 6 million
*Chinese Civil War (1949-54): over 7.5 million

D)Wars of Conquest:
* China - Genghis Khan (13th Century): 35 million
* Manchu Invasion (17th Century): 25 million
*Congo (1880-1920): 10 million

E) Human Sacrifice:
* Aztecs (Fifteenth Century) up to 20,000 per year

In addition, there are estimates of other events, such as the numbers killed in
Africa in civil wars between 1945 and 2000, of over 14.5 million, and the 1970’s deaths
in Cambodia (1975-1978) of about 2 million.

Killing of individuals – as in the human sacrifice of war captives, as practiced
by Aztecs, Incas, and (until about 1870) Indians on the Northwest
Coast of mainland North America.

[link to www.yale.edu]
Anonymous Coward
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No that would be the asians, silly dont you know the ones that control you can never be discussed, and why they control the world and no one ever says it but blames it on everyone else.

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09/22/2013 09:18 AM
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
If you can't explain your reasons for believing this, you can't expect to convince others of your point of view.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46057115

No, Jeremiah 25 lists who will be fighting against God when that particular time arrives. That doesn't rule out the Rothschild Klan using America to finalize it's version of the biblical end-times that started in the 1880's when they began to fund the creation of the Israel we have today.
It only takes a few references to show that all Nations will be in the same peril when God is ready to intervene and then nothing can stop that. Today's woes are man-made so they can be started and stopped by men, should they have a desire to do so.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Jer:25:31:
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Jer:25:32:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
Jer:25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
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Re: Have Americans been chosen by God to impose their values on everyone else?
If so, I'd like to know why this course is justified.
 Quoting: Manifest Destiny 46057115

They havent. Justice is coming soon enough.

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