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Britain's first Muslim free school is controlled by religious hardliners who ban children from singing or reading fairy tales and force staff to wear headscarves - according to the former head teacher and deputy who claim they were forced to leave.

Andrew Cutts-McKay resigned from his role as head of al Madinah School in Derby in August, two months after deputy Suzanne Southerland stepped down from her post.

Both allege they were 'bullied and sidelined' by members of the school's trust, which is predominantly Muslim. The school strongly denies the pair's claims.

But earlier this week, concerns were raised by teachers who complained they were being ordered to wear the hijab – even if they are not Muslim.

Now claims have been made that alongside the strict dress code, the school's 200 pupils are banned from playing stringed instruments, which are forbidden in the Islamic faith.

Singing is also forbidden unless it involves Islamic faith songs, while youngsters are not allowed to read fairy tales as these are 'non-Islamic'.

Other staff have highlighted ‘concerns’ over the school's practices, which include banning non-halal food and forcing female pupils as young as four to sit at the back of the class away from boys.

Female members of staff, some of whom are not Muslims, say they have been told to sign new contracts which force them to wear the hijab.

These also ban them from wearing jewellery on the school’s premises in Derby.

One woman, who had been interviewed for a position, claimed she was told she was not allowed to shake hands with male teachers to avoid ‘insult’.
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Just wow, doesn't sound right at all. If my child went to that school, I would pull them out. See what happens to the school trust after that.

Only problem with that would be British law on making sure your child doesn't miss any schooling, the parent could end up with a fine or I think they just added a possible prison sentence to that as well, will have to check.

Ok found this but it's old, because schools are now not allowed to authorise any holidays during school sessions.

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So if my kids was at that school, and if this accusation is proven true. I would take them out of school and home school till a new place is available at another school. That way it would be legal.
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We here in America better take a long hard look. We are well on the same path as the UK. Very sad and very scary. If we all sit back these changes are going to walk right in. May take a few years but think of your children's children. I don't want my beautiful grand daughter donning a damn burka, hiding her beautiful long curls, never singing or dancing, let alone play. America, we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves, like they want. we need to stand up and stand TALL.
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
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Ok well my children like to sing and one plays guitar and another plays violin, it would brake their hearts if the school suddenly banned these things. Call me racist if you must, but I think children should have a child hood.
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
 Quoting: Leslie 45954676


What rich culture?

Oh maybe you mean the one that slices the heads off Christians?

Or

maybe the culture of marrying little 9 year old girls and literally fucking them to death on their wedding night?

or

maybe the culture of making women subservient non-human pieces of chattel?

or

maybe the "culture" of killing women who are raped due to no fault of their own?

Should I go on?

Take your muslim "culture" and shove it up your idiotic ass!
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
 Quoting: Leslie 45954676


You're a fool and i will tell you why. In normal schools the banning of Islamic songs is not done, or are Islamic instruments banned, yet hypocritically the Muslim "Faith" better known as an ideology wants to Ban all things that do not go with their ideological driven religion and not expect to be called hypocrites?


Sorry but it is the muslims who are the hypocritical racists here expecting the UK to dismiss its entire history and culture to cater to immigrants of the Muslim faith? fool you're
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
 Quoting: Leslie 45954676


Ok well my children like to sing and one plays guitar and another plays violin, it would brake their hearts if the school suddenly banned these things. Call me racist if you must, but I think children should have a child hood.
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You're the logical one the Muslim faith is not logical and never was. The reason they Ban instruments involving strings is because it requires creativity and discipline (something forbidden in the Muslim faith other than to the religion) to master the instrument which goes agaisnt their ideology.
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
 Quoting: Leslie 45954676


You'll change your tune about them when they kill someone you care and love all because they werent muslim.
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Muslims are pretty dumb. God hates string instruments? What kind of dumb theology is that?
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Islam have no fuckin right to even enter our land.

Fuck the UN and all three old useless regimes.

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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
 Quoting: Leslie 45954676


If they want to keep their own culture, they should stay in their own countries. If they want to move to another country, they should be expected to conform to the values of that country.
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It's not like our schools force Muslims to do things that are against their religion, these days there are notes sent home to sign for all sorts. They can opt out of things if they want to. So why is this school allegedly forcing women to wear head dresses even though they are not Muslim, and stopping students from doing what is considered essential learning in our society.
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It's not like our schools force Muslims to do things that are against their religion, these days there are notes sent home to sign for all sorts. They can opt out of things if they want to. So why is this school allegedly forcing women to wear head dresses even though they are not Muslim, and stopping students from doing what is considered essential learning in our society.
 Quoting: alexisj9


Read up on Muslim history. its painted with blood. The basic way Muslims operated all the way through history was ride across the desert with 10,000 men or more tell the village its attacking "it will convert or die" (obvious what happens next) and then repeat the process. There is a reason the Christian crusasders spent nearly 200-400 years keeping the Muslims out of Europe and most of the west middle east.
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[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Britain's first Muslim free school is controlled by religious hardliners who ban children from singing or reading fairy tales and force staff to wear headscarves - according to the former head teacher and deputy who claim they were forced to leave.

Andrew Cutts-McKay resigned from his role as head of al Madinah School in Derby in August, two months after deputy Suzanne Southerland stepped down from her post.

Both allege they were 'bullied and sidelined' by members of the school's trust, which is predominantly Muslim. The school strongly denies the pair's claims.

But earlier this week, concerns were raised by teachers who complained they were being ordered to wear the hijab – even if they are not Muslim.

Now claims have been made that alongside the strict dress code, the school's 200 pupils are banned from playing stringed instruments, which are forbidden in the Islamic faith.

Singing is also forbidden unless it involves Islamic faith songs, while youngsters are not allowed to read fairy tales as these are 'non-Islamic'.

Other staff have highlighted ‘concerns’ over the school's practices, which include banning non-halal food and forcing female pupils as young as four to sit at the back of the class away from boys.

Female members of staff, some of whom are not Muslims, say they have been told to sign new contracts which force them to wear the hijab.

These also ban them from wearing jewellery on the school’s premises in Derby.

One woman, who had been interviewed for a position, claimed she was told she was not allowed to shake hands with male teachers to avoid ‘insult’.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns



And if you let it happen,that's who's fault again? yeah that look in the mirror is really telling,huh?
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It's not like our schools force Muslims to do things that are against their religion, these days there are notes sent home to sign for all sorts. They can opt out of things if they want to. So why is this school allegedly forcing women to wear head dresses even though they are not Muslim, and stopping students from doing what is considered essential learning in our society.
 Quoting: alexisj9


Read up on Muslim history. its painted with blood. The basic way Muslims operated all the way through history was ride across the desert with 10,000 men or more tell the village its attacking "it will convert or die" (obvious what happens next) and then repeat the process. There is a reason the Christian crusasders spent nearly 200-400 years keeping the Muslims out of Europe and most of the west middle east.
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This is more like Arab history. They're just a "convert or die" kind of race.
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Racist morans.

Muslims have a right to their culture and they have a right to express that culture.

What makes you oh so much better than them?

Just because they come here to make a better life for themselves and their families and keep their rich culture, you seem to hate them for it. So stupid!
 Quoting: Leslie 45954676


Says the ass kisser who is trying to protect her own ass!
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Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the
reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get
the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages
source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country
they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to
anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped
for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street
gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards)
food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will
increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves --
along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them
to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of
Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the
entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness
as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings).
Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and
threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,
sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and
ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other
religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a
weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then
start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
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So why does Islam ban the playing of "stringed" musical instruments ?
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It's not like our schools force Muslims to do things that are against their religion, these days there are notes sent home to sign for all sorts. They can opt out of things if they want to. So why is this school allegedly forcing women to wear head dresses even though they are not Muslim, and stopping students from doing what is considered essential learning in our society.
 Quoting: alexisj9


Read up on Muslim history. its painted with blood. The basic way Muslims operated all the way through history was ride across the desert with 10,000 men or more tell the village its attacking "it will convert or die" (obvious what happens next) and then repeat the process. There is a reason the Christian crusasders spent nearly 200-400 years keeping the Muslims out of Europe and most of the west middle east.
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This is more like Arab history. They're just a "convert or die" kind of race.
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Well technically speaking the Sikhs are not Muslims and their religion is more of a "Attack our culture physically and we will fight to the death" as the sikh like martial arts. At least the Sikhs dont butt their noses where they dont belong.
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So why does Islam ban the playing of "stringed" musical instruments ?
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they (string instruments) require dedicated and discipline to something other than Islam. Also string instruments cannot be used to make hypnotic Islamic music compared to the flute and drums they make use of.
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Britain's first Muslim free school is controlled by religious hardliners who ban children from singing or reading fairy tales and force staff to wear headscarves - according to the former head teacher and deputy who claim they were forced to leave.

Andrew Cutts-McKay resigned from his role as head of al Madinah School in Derby in August, two months after deputy Suzanne Southerland stepped down from her post.

Both allege they were 'bullied and sidelined' by members of the school's trust, which is predominantly Muslim. The school strongly denies the pair's claims.

But earlier this week, concerns were raised by teachers who complained they were being ordered to wear the hijab – even if they are not Muslim.

Now claims have been made that alongside the strict dress code, the school's 200 pupils are banned from playing stringed instruments, which are forbidden in the Islamic faith.

Singing is also forbidden unless it involves Islamic faith songs, while youngsters are not allowed to read fairy tales as these are 'non-Islamic'.

Other staff have highlighted ‘concerns’ over the school's practices, which include banning non-halal food and forcing female pupils as young as four to sit at the back of the class away from boys.

Female members of staff, some of whom are not Muslims, say they have been told to sign new contracts which force them to wear the hijab.

These also ban them from wearing jewellery on the school’s premises in Derby.

One woman, who had been interviewed for a position, claimed she was told she was not allowed to shake hands with male teachers to avoid ‘insult’.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns



And if you let it happen,that's who's fault again? yeah that look in the mirror is really telling,huh?
 Quoting: hawk8414


The muzzie percentage is higher in the uk.

Our muzzie population, and percentage in the us, will likewise continue to grow, and unless something drastic occurs, we're on the same path.
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Its a Muzlum school, who cares?
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So why does Islam ban the playing of "stringed" musical instruments ?
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they (string instruments) require dedicated and discipline to something other than Islam. Also string instruments cannot be used to make hypnotic Islamic music compared to the flute and drums they make use of.
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In other words, you have to have some talent, which they have none.
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So why does Islam ban the playing of "stringed" musical instruments ?
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Muzzies read and believe both the Quran and Hadiths:

“Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v: Narrated Abu ‘Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash’ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, “From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, ‘Return to us tomorrow.’ Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection.”
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Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72: Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, “Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah’s Apostle!” It happened on the ‘Id day and Allah’s Apostle said, “O Abu Bakr! There is an ‘Id for every nation and this is our ‘Id.”
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This is crazy. Even in muslim countries and muslim schools children sing and read fairy tales. They're universal.

I've been to some muslim countries for my work on Children's across the world and in most of the schools they had theaters to play movies and children were rehearsing for Cinderella play.

The ones taking control over this school in England must be the Talibani type who wont stand a chance in a muslim country. England needs to do something about it if its true.

ohno
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So why does Islam ban the playing of "stringed" musical instruments ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46559958


they (string instruments) require dedicated and discipline to something other than Islam. Also string instruments cannot be used to make hypnotic Islamic music compared to the flute and drums they make use of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4469901


In other words, you have to have some talent, which they have none.
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More or less yes. Ive heard tales of Islamic string instruments similar to a "Madelin" (cant spell it) but sounds nothing like it.

I have a friend who was a Muslim by birth but rejected the faith in choice of becoming a Sikh and he says the Sikh would cut down all Muslims long before they would ever join them in a Jihad (to which Sikhs see as hypocritical as she Sikh religion requires a physical attack for provocation of war)
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“Anas ibn Malik related from the Prophet (saws) that, “two cursed sounds are that of the musical instrument(mizmaar) played on the occasion of joy and grace, and the woeful wailing upon the occasion of adversity.”

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