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The reason that the FED is purchasing 85 billion per month in bonds is to artificially "Float" the economy.

This is called Quantitative Easing. It is good if you are wealthy and horrible if you work for a pay check.

When liquidity(Money) is pumped into the economy because of these Bond purchases it INCREASES the money supply.

If you are wealthy and have alot of money this is great because even though the increase in money lowers the value of a dollar it also makes purchasing assets cheaper for YOU so you ca scoop up more land,houses,commodities etc. at a cheaper price.

This is how the Wealthy give the APPEARANCE that people are pending and that the economy is healthy when it is NOT.

If you are at the OTHER end and draw a paycheck to make your living this added liquidity into the economy is DEATH to your paycheck because more dollars in the system makes your limited dollar worth LESS and it make sellers have to raise prices in order to make a profit, this is INFLATION.

If the FED DID NOT purchase the Bonds then they would have to raise interest rates causing your credit card bills, mortgages and loans to go up but they would ALSO be hurt by a lowered dividend on their stocks.

So with QE or Bond purchases only YOU are hurt because of Inflation. Inflation doesn't hurt the wealthy because they have lots of cash to make up for the moneys lower value because of QE (Quantitative Easing).
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Re: A Response To:Why is the FED purchasing 85 billion per month. QE Explained.
The reason that the FED is purchasing 85 billion per month in bonds is to artificially "Float" the economy.

This is called Quantitative Easing. It is good if you are wealthy and horrible if you work for a pay check.

When liquidity(Money) is pumped into the economy because of these Bond purchases it INCREASES the money supply.

If you are wealthy and have alot of money this is great because even though the increase in money lowers the value of a dollar it also makes purchasing assets cheaper for YOU so you can scoop up more land,houses,commodities etc. at a cheaper price.

This is how the Wealthy give the APPEARANCE that people are spending and that the economy is healthy when it is NOT.

If you are at the OTHER end and draw a paycheck to make your living this added liquidity into the economy is DEATH to your paycheck because more dollars in the system makes your limited dollar worth LESS and it make sellers have to raise prices in order to make a profit, this is INFLATION.

If the FED DID NOT purchase the Bonds then they would have to raise interest rates causing your credit card bills, mortgages and loans to go up but they would ALSO be hurt by a lowered dividend on their stocks.

So with QE or Bond purchases only YOU are hurt because of Inflation. Inflation doesn't hurt the wealthy because they have lots of cash to make up for the moneys lower value because of QE (Quantitative Easing).
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Printing money is pretty easy isn´t it. Compared to producing something.
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The reason that the FED is purchasing 85 billion per month in bonds is to artificially "Float" the economy.

This is called Quantitative Easing. It is good if you are wealthy and horrible if you work for a pay check.

When liquidity(Money) is pumped into the economy because of these Bond purchases it INCREASES the money supply.

If you are wealthy and have alot of money this is great because even though the increase in money lowers the value of a dollar it also makes purchasing assets cheaper for YOU so you can scoop up more land,houses,commodities etc. at a cheaper price.

This is how the Wealthy give the APPEARANCE that people are spending and that the economy is healthy when it is NOT.

If you are at the OTHER end and draw a paycheck to make your living this added liquidity into the economy is DEATH to your paycheck because more dollars in the system makes your limited dollar worth LESS and it make sellers have to raise prices in order to make a profit, this is INFLATION.

If the FED DID NOT purchase the Bonds then they would have to raise interest rates causing your credit card bills, mortgages and loans to go up but they would ALSO be hurt by a lowered dividend on their stocks.

So with QE or Bond purchases only YOU are hurt because of Inflation. Inflation doesn't hurt the wealthy because they have lots of cash to make up for the moneys lower value because of QE (Quantitative Easing).
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The Rich scoop up the Assets cheaply after pumping the extra cash into the system lowering the dollar value.

The market responds with stock trade which the owners of the FED Bank also dominate by owning 70% o the Stock market.
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The lower valued dollar causes food prices and commodities to go up causing the worker to pay more and more money for the same piece of meat or bread.

The angry worker is told to blame the poor through the media which is owned by corporate monopolies by the people who buy the 85 billion in bonds and who also own 70% of the stock market.
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The lower valued dollar causes food prices and commodities to go up causing the worker to pay more and more money for the same piece of meat or bread.

The angry worker is told to blame the poor through the media which is owned by corporate monopolies by the people who buy the 85 billion in bonds and who also own 70% of the stock market.
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Its a plantation system.
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I guess you really didn't want to know.
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Thanks OP why would interest rates go p if fed did not do QE and wouldn't higher rates hurt workeers
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It doesn't do a thing for the economy. In fact, it hurts the American citizens through inflation of needed items such as food.

What it does is destroy the American dollar and our nation by continuing unsustainable spending. If they stopped buying, then our government would be forced to make the tough choices that are necessary to keep our nation going. Instead, they keep digging us deeper and deeper in the hole.

Before this is through, if we don't find a way to stop them, then the dollar will be toast and our Republic with it.
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The lower valued dollar causes food prices and commodities to go up causing the worker to pay more and more money for the same piece of meat or bread.

The angry worker is told to blame the poor through the media which is owned by corporate monopolies by the people who buy the 85 billion in bonds and who also own 70% of the stock market.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


Its a plantation system.
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I absolutely appreciate the information OP. And I think I also see that I kind of monopolized the other thread about this, and thus your need to make a different thread about it. :).

I don't really understand why you say the angry worker is told to blame the poor via the media. I haven't really seen the media do this, so I didn't really understand where you were coming from on this.
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Thanks OP why would interest rates go p if fed did not do QE and wouldn't higher rates hurt workeers
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Interest rates fluctuate naturally but they have been artificially held down by the Bond purchases.

A natural corection takes place whn Interet rates are allowed to stabilize but this leads to economic hardship because your credit card bills and mortgages and loan rates would also do up but you would alose have more money because the dollar would deflate causing your dollar to be worth more.

Prices for food and commodities would go down but if there are no jobs you would still lose out because you would have no money to keep up.

This would cause the Workers to scrutinize the Rich and demand that they pay more in taxes to the Government so that the government could provide relief to the worker in the form of subsidies and programs to create jobs.

Both QE or the resultant revolt without QE are wealth redistribution.

QE is a sneaky form of wealth redistribution because the Rich scoop up cheap assets and give the markets confidence where they make money again of their dividends.

The 2008 Derivative scam was the greatest theft in human history next to the Trans Atlantic slave trade. The Slave trade took 200 year but the 2008 Bond scam was accomplished from Clinton's term to Bush II's term.

Now the 1% in the West are in dire need of new revenue sources as this holding pattern cannot be maintained. The result will be War.

Ta Party Republicans in Congress are a new threat as well because their antic over the debt ceiling reduces confidence in China and Russia in holding dollars.China and Russia are working their way out of holding dollars because of all of the shenanigans of the 1% and American politics.

The next move is to try to capture the energy resources of the Middle East and generate an economy off of War Contracts with the US Government and US Companies owned by the 1%.

This will decrease the amount of poor and low wage workers when they are killed in war as well.
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Re: A Response To:Why is the FED purchasing 85 billion per month. QE Explained.
The lower valued dollar causes food prices and commodities to go up causing the worker to pay more and more money for the same piece of meat or bread.

The angry worker is told to blame the poor through the media which is owned by corporate monopolies by the people who buy the 85 billion in bonds and who also own 70% of the stock market.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


Its a plantation system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


I absolutely appreciate the information OP. And I think I also see that I kind of monopolized the other thread about this, and thus your need to make a different thread about it. :).

I don't really understand why you say the angry worker is told to blame the poor via the media. I haven't really seen the media do this, so I didn't really understand where you were coming from on this.
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Austerity.

Austerity is always discussed for the poor and workers but no sacrifice is ever entertained by the Rich they are called "Job Creators" at all times and are portrayed without greed or stain.

Austerity is spoken of as inevitable i the Western press even though it has a negative effect on economies when it is applied It does however keep the Rich from shelling out assistance to the poor and the newly poor made that way by austerity.
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Re: A Response To:Why is the FED purchasing 85 billion per month. QE Explained.
The lower valued dollar causes food prices and commodities to go up causing the worker to pay more and more money for the same piece of meat or bread.

The angry worker is told to blame the poor through the media which is owned by corporate monopolies by the people who buy the 85 billion in bonds and who also own 70% of the stock market.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


Its a plantation system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


I absolutely appreciate the information OP. And I think I also see that I kind of monopolized the other thread about this, and thus your need to make a different thread about it. :).

I don't really understand why you say the angry worker is told to blame the poor via the media. I haven't really seen the media do this, so I didn't really understand where you were coming from on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38638284


Austerity.

Austerity is always discussed for the poor and workers but no sacrifice is ever entertained by the Rich they are called "Job Creators" at all times and are portrayed without greed or stain.

Austerity is spoken of as inevitable i the Western press even though it has a negative effect on economies when it is applied It does however keep the Rich from shelling out assistance to the poor and the newly poor made that way by austerity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


In a household economy you cut back and tighten your belt and save nd not overspend to get back on track.

The Western press owned by corporations shoves microphones in peoples faces so they will repeat this.

Well that is not how NATIONAL economics works. In National economics you must spur spending by getting money into the peoples hands sop that they can spend, like starting a car this spark CAN get the economy up out of the ditch and rolling again when done properly.

The problem with that is where is that money going to come from if everyone is broke? Well it comes from the Government redistributing some of the Wealth of the Richest in the society in the form of TAXATION.

This who conversation is verboten in the Western press. That is because the Media is all monopolized by the 1% who do not want this conversation to even happen.
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Its a plantation system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


I absolutely appreciate the information OP. And I think I also see that I kind of monopolized the other thread about this, and thus your need to make a different thread about it. :).

I don't really understand why you say the angry worker is told to blame the poor via the media. I haven't really seen the media do this, so I didn't really understand where you were coming from on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38638284


Austerity.

Austerity is always discussed for the poor and workers but no sacrifice is ever entertained by the Rich they are called "Job Creators" at all times and are portrayed without greed or stain.

Austerity is spoken of as inevitable i the Western press even though it has a negative effect on economies when it is applied It does however keep the Rich from shelling out assistance to the poor and the newly poor made that way by austerity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


In a household economy you cut back and tighten your belt and save nd not overspend to get back on track.

The Western press owned by corporations shoves microphones in peoples faces so they will repeat this.

Well that is not how NATIONAL economics works. In National economics you must spur spending by getting money into the peoples hands sop that they can spend, like starting a car this spark CAN get the economy up out of the ditch and rolling again when done properly.

The problem with that is where is that money going to come from if everyone is broke? Well it comes from the Government redistributing some of the Wealth of the Richest in the society in the form of TAXATION.

This who conversation is verboten in the Western press. That is because the Media is all monopolized by the 1% who do not want this conversation to even happen.
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Like it or not, these are the facts. Don't kill the messenger.
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Re: A Response To:Why is the FED purchasing 85 billion per month. QE Explained.
Thanks OP why would interest rates go p if fed did not do QE and wouldn't higher rates hurt workeers
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Interest rates fluctuate naturally but they have been artificially held down by the Bond purchases.

A natural corection takes place whn Interet rates are allowed to stabilize but this leads to economic hardship because your credit card bills and mortgages and loan rates would also do up but you would alose have more money because the dollar would deflate causing your dollar to be worth more.

Prices for food and commodities would go down but if there are no jobs you would still lose out because you would have no money to keep up.

This would cause the Workers to scrutinize the Rich and demand that they pay more in taxes to the Government so that the government could provide relief to the worker in the form of subsidies and programs to create jobs.

Both QE or the resultant revolt without QE are wealth redistribution.

QE is a sneaky form of wealth redistribution because the Rich scoop up cheap assets and give the markets confidence where they make money again of their dividends.

The 2008 Derivative scam was the greatest theft in human history next to the Trans Atlantic slave trade. The Slave trade took 200 year but the 2008 Bond scam was accomplished from Clinton's term to Bush II's term.

Now the 1% in the West are in dire need of new revenue sources as this holding pattern cannot be maintained. The result will be War.

Ta Party Republicans in Congress are a new threat as well because their antic over the debt ceiling reduces confidence in China and Russia in holding dollars.China and Russia are working their way out of holding dollars because of all of the shenanigans of the 1% and American politics.

The next move is to try to capture the energy resources of the Middle East and generate an economy off of War Contracts with the US Government and US Companies owned by the 1%.

This will decrease the amount of poor and low wage workers when they are killed in war as well.
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Thanks OP but still do not get why do bond purchases hold interest rates down
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OP Luxemburg owes like 2 trillion plus in debt .
And most of the countries in the world do as well they all owe money.
What do you think of what this person is saying? Is it true?

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I just had a thought... What if, the new hundreds coming out were a new currency. You are paid in hundreds and instead of getting change after a purchase, you would have to spend it in it's entirety in one trip, or held as credit at places like gas stations, etc. Certainly large corporation's would benefit, as they will be able to have their cake and eat it too. It would shut down small business as well. A train wreck for the ppl. As a bonus, when the bill is burned, they will have gold as well. Just a thought.
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Thanks OP why would interest rates go p if fed did not do QE and wouldn't higher rates hurt workeers
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Interest rates fluctuate naturally but they have been artificially held down by the Bond purchases.

A natural corection takes place whn Interet rates are allowed to stabilize but this leads to economic hardship because your credit card bills and mortgages and loan rates would also do up but you would alose have more money because the dollar would deflate causing your dollar to be worth more.

Prices for food and commodities would go down but if there are no jobs you would still lose out because you would have no money to keep up.

This would cause the Workers to scrutinize the Rich and demand that they pay more in taxes to the Government so that the government could provide relief to the worker in the form of subsidies and programs to create jobs.

Both QE or the resultant revolt without QE are wealth redistribution.

QE is a sneaky form of wealth redistribution because the Rich scoop up cheap assets and give the markets confidence where they make money again of their dividends.

The 2008 Derivative scam was the greatest theft in human history next to the Trans Atlantic slave trade. The Slave trade took 200 year but the 2008 Bond scam was accomplished from Clinton's term to Bush II's term.

Now the 1% in the West are in dire need of new revenue sources as this holding pattern cannot be maintained. The result will be War.

Ta Party Republicans in Congress are a new threat as well because their antic over the debt ceiling reduces confidence in China and Russia in holding dollars.China and Russia are working their way out of holding dollars because of all of the shenanigans of the 1% and American politics.

The next move is to try to capture the energy resources of the Middle East and generate an economy off of War Contracts with the US Government and US Companies owned by the 1%.

This will decrease the amount of poor and low wage workers when they are killed in war as well.
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Thanks OP but still do not get why do bond purchases hold interest rates down
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The FED and the banks are in an agreement. The FED says I will buy the Bonds and the Bank says if you buy the bonds then I will agree to keep interest rates low on my loans.

But the people who own the FED also own the Banks. So they are making assets cheap with QE and scooping them up as the banks put those assets on their books. Giving the APPEARANCE of a healthy viable economy as they buy up EVERYTHING cheaply.

The worker is not even in the equation.






When yo understand that the people who own the (FIRe)sector, now own the Media since the 90's and are also the owners of the biggest military contractors and "Intelligence" contractors then you see that they are selling Bonds to themselves.

Finance>Insurance>Real Eastate = FIre Sector.
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OP Luxemburg owes like 2 trillion plus in debt .
And most of the countries in the world do as well they all owe money.
What do you think of what this person is saying? Is it true?


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I'm only discussing America because Im an American IN America. I could get into the EU and how the owners of the FED own the EU but Im not having a conversation to make points. I'm really trying to inform Americans about what is being done to them.

Americans are not seeing the enemy so they are striking out n the dark and hitting each other in the face.
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I just had a thought... What if, the new hundreds coming out were a new currency. You are paid in hundreds and instead of getting change after a purchase, you would have to spend it in it's entirety in one trip, or held as credit at places like gas stations, etc. Certainly large corporation's would benefit, as they will be able to have their cake and eat it too. It would shut down small business as well. A train wreck for the ppl. As a bonus, when the bill is burned, they will have gold as well. Just a thought.
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Only a financially comfortable person wastes time on such thoughts.

I'm about reality.
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OP Luxemburg owes like 2 trillion plus in debt .
And most of the countries in the world do as well they all owe money.
What do you think of what this person is saying? Is it true?


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I'm only discussing America because Im an American IN America. I could get into the EU and how the owners of the FED own the EU but Im not having a conversation to make points. I'm really trying to inform Americans about what is being done to them.

Americans are not seeing the enemy so they are striking out n the dark and hitting each other in the face.
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So lets talk America who does America owe the 17 trillion to?

They did not borrow it from another country but a group of banks, so do almost 200 other countries also owe trillions to these banks.
Pls watch the video it explains how the banks are the new hidden feudal lords.
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"In the second phase of Feudalism, the Modern Feudalism as it might be called, the bases of the wealth are neither the land and the buildings nor the capital of the anterior Capitalism. These “steady” ingredients of wealth are rendered henceforth burdensome in Modern Feudalism. In this current form of Feudalism, the basis of wealth is the profitability derived from the rapid movement of capital so as to become de-materialized and take the form of a “flow”, so as to achieve the status of complete invisibility. Here, the masters of wealth, the new “despots”, are at majority anonymous or at least unknown to most of the people, as they hide behind the vague term “markets” which constitute the new immaterial castles of the modern feudal lords. Also, the territory of the modern fiefs is not specified and has no certain location. It is diffused everywhere, even in the most remote havens of refuge. The fluid fief of the market “despots” is incorporated and carried by EVERY person, matter, situation and convention that can directly be influenced by the wills and the target settings of the “despots.”

If we attempted to define these new immaterial towers of the modern feudal lords, the so-called “markets”, we would conclude that they are nothing more than a mechanism which under the pretext of evaluating and pricing the “investment dangers”, multiplies the given ordinal, plastic, electronic or in any other form, money while simultaneously attacks the sovereign National State that was born almost at the same time with Capitalism and lived in step with it until the dawn of the 21st century. The main attack is materialized through the imposition of the arbitrary dogma stating that the survival of nations no longer depends on their military or political power but instead, on their ability to continuously fund their debts as if they were companies, despite the fact that nations are destined to obligatorily exist even in the event of their bankruptcy.

However, in parallel but not tantamount with Capitalism, the National State is the one that for two centuries in a row finds itself on the other side of the social “capitalistic” contract and guarantees the rights of people that have been acquired through hard social-political struggles. The National State guarantees the rights of people that require a future and continuous demand such as their pension, their health insurance and so forth. If the National State disappears, nothing will exist on the other side of the contract and thus the contract will be declared as invalid and non-existing. The invisible and anonymous feudal lords of the “markets” are neither obliged nor have the good intentions to “lose” money so as to preserve the rights of people that existed in the “past” state of Capitalism, by providing pensions and healthcare for huge crowds that have nothing to do with the new mechanism of profitability which is not based on the capitalist production (or the consecutive consumption of what is produced). In all the “advanced” world, the humongous urban class (with all of its stratifications) will be neutralized through an accelerating povertization process, by being condemned henceforth to linger out its life near the poverty level in each country and, in some cases, below or far below of it. "
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OP Luxemburg owes like 2 trillion plus in debt .
And most of the countries in the world do as well they all owe money.
What do you think of what this person is saying? Is it true?


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I'm only discussing America because Im an American IN America. I could get into the EU and how the owners of the FED own the EU but Im not having a conversation to make points. I'm really trying to inform Americans about what is being done to them.

Americans are not seeing the enemy so they are striking out n the dark and hitting each other in the face.
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So lets talk America who does America owe the 17 trillion to?

They did not borrow it from another country but a group of banks, so do almost 200 other countries also owe trillions to these banks.
Pls watch the video it explains how the banks are the new hidden feudal lords.
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I'll check it out bit they are not hidden at all. The population i just dumbed down and ignorant.

Americans wait overnight in the street o buy products made with slave labor from Communists, how the Hell can a people like that defeat wealthy feudalists?

Our saving grace is that the feudalist system cannot be maintained any longer and war is coming. Sadly.
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Re: A Response To:Why is the FED purchasing 85 billion per month. QE Explained.
I just had a thought... What if, the new hundreds coming out were a new currency. You are paid in hundreds and instead of getting change after a purchase, you would have to spend it in it's entirety in one trip, or held as credit at places like gas stations, etc. Certainly large corporation's would benefit, as they will be able to have their cake and eat it too. It would shut down small business as well. A train wreck for the ppl. As a bonus, when the bill is burned, they will have gold as well. Just a thought.
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Only a financially comfortable person wastes time on such thoughts.

I'm about reality.
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Actually, I live on $800 a month, before expenses. Thoughts are not waste son.
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I just had a thought... What if, the new hundreds coming out were a new currency. You are paid in hundreds and instead of getting change after a purchase, you would have to spend it in it's entirety in one trip, or held as credit at places like gas stations, etc. Certainly large corporation's would benefit, as they will be able to have their cake and eat it too. It would shut down small business as well. A train wreck for the ppl. As a bonus, when the bill is burned, they will have gold as well. Just a thought.
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Only a financially comfortable person wastes time on such thoughts.

I'm about reality.
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Actually, I live on $800 a month, before expenses. Thoughts are not waste son.
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It's kinda like being in a war in a foxhole talking about what if we were invisible.
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Thanks OP why would interest rates go p if fed did not do QE and wouldn't higher rates hurt workeers
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Interest rates fluctuate naturally but they have been artificially held down by the Bond purchases.

A natural corection takes place whn Interet rates are allowed to stabilize but this leads to economic hardship because your credit card bills and mortgages and loan rates would also do up but you would alose have more money because the dollar would deflate causing your dollar to be worth more.

Prices for food and commodities would go down but if there are no jobs you would still lose out because you would have no money to keep up.

This would cause the Workers to scrutinize the Rich and demand that they pay more in taxes to the Government so that the government could provide relief to the worker in the form of subsidies and programs to create jobs.

Both QE or the resultant revolt without QE are wealth redistribution.

QE is a sneaky form of wealth redistribution because the Rich scoop up cheap assets and give the markets confidence where they make money again of their dividends.

The 2008 Derivative scam was the greatest theft in human history next to the Trans Atlantic slave trade. The Slave trade took 200 year but the 2008 Bond scam was accomplished from Clinton's term to Bush II's term.

Now the 1% in the West are in dire need of new revenue sources as this holding pattern cannot be maintained. The result will be War.

Ta Party Republicans in Congress are a new threat as well because their antic over the debt ceiling reduces confidence in China and Russia in holding dollars.China and Russia are working their way out of holding dollars because of all of the shenanigans of the 1% and American politics.

The next move is to try to capture the energy resources of the Middle East and generate an economy off of War Contracts with the US Government and US Companies owned by the 1%.

This will decrease the amount of poor and low wage workers when they are killed in war as well.
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Thanks OP but still do not get why do bond purchases hold interest rates down
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If the fed doesn't buy the bonds then the price goes down, meaning: the interest rate goes up
and since there is less demand for our debt from japan and china... QE forever
resist we much!
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Thanks OP why would interest rates go p if fed did not do QE and wouldn't higher rates hurt workeers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47248486


Interest rates fluctuate naturally but they have been artificially held down by the Bond purchases.

A natural corection takes place whn Interet rates are allowed to stabilize but this leads to economic hardship because your credit card bills and mortgages and loan rates would also do up but you would alose have more money because the dollar would deflate causing your dollar to be worth more.

Prices for food and commodities would go down but if there are no jobs you would still lose out because you would have no money to keep up.

This would cause the Workers to scrutinize the Rich and demand that they pay more in taxes to the Government so that the government could provide relief to the worker in the form of subsidies and programs to create jobs.

Both QE or the resultant revolt without QE are wealth redistribution.

QE is a sneaky form of wealth redistribution because the Rich scoop up cheap assets and give the markets confidence where they make money again of their dividends.

The 2008 Derivative scam was the greatest theft in human history next to the Trans Atlantic slave trade. The Slave trade took 200 year but the 2008 Bond scam was accomplished from Clinton's term to Bush II's term.

Now the 1% in the West are in dire need of new revenue sources as this holding pattern cannot be maintained. The result will be War.

Ta Party Republicans in Congress are a new threat as well because their antic over the debt ceiling reduces confidence in China and Russia in holding dollars.China and Russia are working their way out of holding dollars because of all of the shenanigans of the 1% and American politics.

The next move is to try to capture the energy resources of the Middle East and generate an economy off of War Contracts with the US Government and US Companies owned by the 1%.

This will decrease the amount of poor and low wage workers when they are killed in war as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


Thanks OP but still do not get why do bond purchases hold interest rates down
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If the fed doesn't buy the bonds then the price goes down, meaning: the interest rate goes up
and since there is less demand for our debt from japan and china... QE forever
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That would cause a normal correction and the resulting increase in the average peoples mortgages and credit cards would cause them to DEMAND that the Government take money from the Rich to help them.

So rather than allow that to happen the 1% run their QE scam and slowly,quietly strangle th working poor while using their control of the Media to preach Austerity which is blaming the poor.
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I absolutely appreciate the information OP. And I think I also see that I kind of monopolized the other thread about this, and thus your need to make a different thread about it. :).

I don't really understand why you say the angry worker is told to blame the poor via the media. I haven't really seen the media do this, so I didn't really understand where you were coming from on this.
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Austerity.

Austerity is always discussed for the poor and workers but no sacrifice is ever entertained by the Rich they are called "Job Creators" at all times and are portrayed without greed or stain.

Austerity is spoken of as inevitable i the Western press even though it has a negative effect on economies when it is applied It does however keep the Rich from shelling out assistance to the poor and the newly poor made that way by austerity.
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In a household economy you cut back and tighten your belt and save nd not overspend to get back on track.

The Western press owned by corporations shoves microphones in peoples faces so they will repeat this.

Well that is not how NATIONAL economics works. In National economics you must spur spending by getting money into the peoples hands sop that they can spend, like starting a car this spark CAN get the economy up out of the ditch and rolling again when done properly.

The problem with that is where is that money going to come from if everyone is broke? Well it comes from the Government redistributing some of the Wealth of the Richest in the society in the form of TAXATION.

This who conversation is verboten in the Western press. That is because the Media is all monopolized by the 1% who do not want this conversation to even happen.
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Like it or not, these are the facts. Don't kill the messenger.
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I hear what you're saying now. I've had the luxury of being very wealthy as well as being very poor. Though troubling during the time I was poor, I definitely learned quite a bit from the "other" side. I've been to dinner parties where there's a drunk fat guy laughing and putting his arm around some guy's kid, telling him how he can have a job at his company. And I've been with groups of people talking about how they can beat the disability system and get more money from the gov't.

One thing I've noticed, is that the only stories that are told by the poor are about what greedy assholes the rich are, and the only stories the rich tell are what lazy assholes the poor are.

Sometimes I wish everyone had this perspective, because it's a real eye opener to be sympathetic to both sides. I think you hit the nail on the head above when you said giving money to people can spur the economy "if done properly". I couldn't agree more. That's the problem though, it isn't being done properly, there's too much corruption everywhere now for ANY thing to get done properly. Politicians are getting kickbacks from Unions if they agree to make it the taxpayer's responsibility to make sure gov't pension funds are fully funded. This is one of the things that makes my blood boil. The pension managers are allowed to gamble with the pension funds. But if they lose the gamble, the taxpayers have to back it up.

On the other hand, you have the rich taking advantage of all of these financial percs/corruption left and right. They have financial opportunities at every turn. They have safety nets if they fail etc. But trust me, unless you've been in a situation where you no longer have those opportunities and safety nets, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever how important they are. They're blind in that respect.

People all see every issue from a biased point of view, it's sad really. So much corruption now, I can't even imagine getting ourselves out from under it all. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. One thing's for sure is that there should be no stone left unturned if we ever do get a chance to fix it all.
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Austerity.

Austerity is always discussed for the poor and workers but no sacrifice is ever entertained by the Rich they are called "Job Creators" at all times and are portrayed without greed or stain.

Austerity is spoken of as inevitable i the Western press even though it has a negative effect on economies when it is applied It does however keep the Rich from shelling out assistance to the poor and the newly poor made that way by austerity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


In a household economy you cut back and tighten your belt and save nd not overspend to get back on track.

The Western press owned by corporations shoves microphones in peoples faces so they will repeat this.

Well that is not how NATIONAL economics works. In National economics you must spur spending by getting money into the peoples hands sop that they can spend, like starting a car this spark CAN get the economy up out of the ditch and rolling again when done properly.

The problem with that is where is that money going to come from if everyone is broke? Well it comes from the Government redistributing some of the Wealth of the Richest in the society in the form of TAXATION.

This who conversation is verboten in the Western press. That is because the Media is all monopolized by the 1% who do not want this conversation to even happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


Like it or not, these are the facts. Don't kill the messenger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41448563


I hear what you're saying now. I've had the luxury of being very wealthy as well as being very poor. Though troubling during the time I was poor, I definitely learned quite a bit from the "other" side. I've been to dinner parties where there's a drunk fat guy laughing and putting his arm around some guy's kid, telling him how he can have a job at his company. And I've been with groups of people talking about how they can beat the disability system and get more money from the gov't.

One thing I've noticed, is that the only stories that are told by the poor are about what greedy assholes the rich are, and the only stories the rich tell are what lazy assholes the poor are.

Sometimes I wish everyone had this perspective, because it's a real eye opener to be sympathetic to both sides. I think you hit the nail on the head above when you said giving money to people can spur the economy "if done properly". I couldn't agree more. That's the problem though, it isn't being done properly, there's too much corruption everywhere now for ANY thing to get done properly. Politicians are getting kickbacks from Unions if they agree to make it the taxpayer's responsibility to make sure gov't pension funds are fully funded. This is one of the things that makes my blood boil. The pension managers are allowed to gamble with the pension funds. But if they lose the gamble, the taxpayers have to back it up.

On the other hand, you have the rich taking advantage of all of these financial percs/corruption left and right. They have financial opportunities at every turn. They have safety nets if they fail etc. But trust me, unless you've been in a situation where you no longer have those opportunities and safety nets, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever how important they are. They're blind in that respect.

People all see every issue from a biased point of view, it's sad really. So much corruption now, I can't even imagine getting ourselves out from under it all. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. One thing's for sure is that there should be no stone left unturned if we ever do get a chance to fix it all.
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When you OWN the Federal Reserve Private Bank you never have to fear losing your wealth.

You and I aren't talking about the same level of wealth.
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I guess you really didn't want to know.
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No its not that.. Its just that your logic makes no sense... Increasing the money supply causes real assets to increase.. Its as though you've never picked up an economics book in your life..
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I guess you really didn't want to know.
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No its not that.. Its just that your logic makes no sense... Increasing the money supply causes real assets to increase.. Its as though you've never picked up an economics book in your life..
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