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UPDATE

5th October 2013

Now that NASA is effectively closed we are all reliant on other sources for our information on Comet ISON, but is this information any better than theirs?

Several theories are currently being purported on the internet from ISON is about to disintegrate to its getting brighter and we'll on course for a spectacular show around Christmas!

I personally feel you should take such suggestions with a pinch of salt until you can see it with your own eyes and make your own decisions on what, if anything you should do or indeed could do next!

You haven't got long to wait either...



UPDATE

1st October 2013

Comet ISON reaches its closest approach to Mars in just over an hours time at 18:24 BST - 17:24 GMT as we all wait with baited breath to see what happens next!

Will it alter course, land on Phobos or electrically interact with the planet as many have predicted?

Hopefully sometimes later today we'll have the answers as amateur astronomers from around the globe scrutinise the images for those tantalizing clues!

But whatever happens next, the rollercoaster ride has already begun!

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SPECIAL UPDATE

I've just come off the telephone after a long conversation with a UK astronomer who wishes to remain anonymous.

He contacted me to discuss the large coma depicted in the original NASA image of Comet ISON which he assures me is real and that the coma depicted at around 15 Arc seconds or 50,000Km in this image was indeed correct!

But then he told me something very interesting about the object which I suspect is incoming behind ISON and is probably the same object that was perturbing it a 5.8AU creating this huge coma in the first place.

He told me that I was on the right lines but looking in the wrong place. He added, "Since early in the deep Space program they have been looking at ways to ignite Jupiter" The reason why they would want to do this is unclear, but he claims the mysterious flashes and more importantly the disappearance of a belt around the Great Red spot is indicative of the planet heating up and trying to spontaneously combust. He also suggested that this heat source is probably the very one I have been pondering over?!

He is under the impression that Jupiter IS about to ignite in the very near future and that all the other planets in the outer system are showing signs of this pending event too with similar rises in temperature!

So, is he telling the truth?

I did some searching around and there seems to be some credence in what he is saying. If true it would certainly explain this mysterious heating of ISON so far out in deep space!

Here are some links in support of his claims:

"Van der Worp further argued that this fission reaction might well initiate a much larger thermonuclear fusion reaction in the deuterium (heavy hydrogen) making up a significant percentage of Jupiter’s atmosphere – ultimately, igniting Jupiter as the solar system’s second sun!"
Source: [link to www.enterprisemission.com]

"A flash of light believed to be caused by astral matter colliding with Jupiter has been captured on camera by an amateur astronomer in Japan."
Source: [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

"Explosion on Jupiter Spotted by Amateur Astronomers"
Source: [link to www.space.com]

"The entire solar system appears to be warming up lately. What's the root cause?"
Source: [link to www.dailytech.com]




Remember, some times science fact can be stranger than science fiction!

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UPDATE

29th September 2013

There are now reports that ISON is turning GREEN BLUE colour?

Images posted by Damian Peach do seem to suggest this and as I've suggested in previous updates there may indeed be something far more dangerous following in behind this very strange comet!

So this poses a question! Is this the BLUE KACHINA told of in Hopi prophecy AND is the RED KACHINA following behind as I myself have already suggested?

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UPDATE

28th September 2013

ISON is fast approaching Mars at a speed of just over 72,000Mph. It's closet approach will be at around 7 Million miles but even at this distance ISON should appear as big as our Moon in the Martian sky if the coma size is indeed in excess of 70,000Km as images released from Belgium and others seem to suggest?!

Bearing in mind that ISON probably has very little mass if NASA is to be believed, it's unlikely to have any physical reaction with Mars but it may be possible for it to have an electrical connection?!

There has also been some suggestions that ISON has changed course during its journey. If this is true I suspect the reason behind this could be connected to my previous observation that something unknown lurking beyond Jupiter was emitting energy and had perturbed it when it was first detected at 5.8AU! This would indeed add further weight to my argument that something else is indeed following in behind ISON?!

There have been reports of mysterious flashes on Jupiter over the last few years but these have been put down to meteors exploding high in its atmosphere that inexplicably leave no trace?? But could these mysterious flashes be the effects of an intruder close by electrically perturbing it?

Remember, if the intruder was on a much more inclined orbit to the ecliptic and it's mass was similar to that of Jupiters then the seesaw or Barrycentre would balance and little physical effect if any would be detected, but electrically it would be noticeable when they were both in the same area of space?!

[link to hubblesite.org]

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SPECIAL BULLETIN

25th September 2013

Comet ISON was first detected when it was over half a BILLION miles from the Sun, but even then according to NASA's released image back in January, it had a coma of around 50,000Km in diameter!

How is this possible when accepted science tells us that comets don't form anything in the way of a coma or tail till they reach at least 4AU or less from the Sun?

Here's a current quote from UK astronomer Damian Peach with regards to ISON's current status -

"The comet is still pretty distant from the Sun at 2AU so typically you'd only expect to see it brightening slowly at this stage. The more rapid brightening is likely to occur within 1AU of the Sun. Many comets dont even have tails at this distance and ISON is looking healthy and its brightness level remains on course with predictions."

This statement seems in direct conflict with Bruce Gary earlier.
(See special update article below)

So, it got me thinking. If applied science has no explanation for this large 50,000Km coma at such an early stage in ISON's development then what could possibly explain it?

Let's just think about that image released by NASA in January for a moment. We have two choices here, we either believe its authenticity and judging by NASAs current performance it's probably legit which would explain why they haven't released another one, or alternatively we dismiss it totally as erroneous?

If it's right then what are we looking at here?


A 3 mile rock with a 50,000Km coma half a billion miles away from the Sun, but surely that's impossible?!

Read this article - [link to www.livescience.com] - This article and Comet ISON's behavior would all make perfect sense if there was another heat source around 7.8AU or 780 million miles from our Sun, and this article seems to suggest that very possibility!

Now I'm NOT jumping on the Nibiru bandwagon here, but you do have to ponder the possibility that it may indeed exist in one form or another somewhere out in deep space but at such an angle to the ecliptic that we simply haven't spotted it yet? Remember this comet is coming in at an angle too!

So in summary here's what we've got. - Either a bog standard comet with another undetected dark heat source somewhere out between Jupiter and Saturn but higher above the ecliptic, OR something very large with massive GRAVITY is heading directly this way after it passes Mars!

Take your pick my friends!


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URGENT UPDATE

26th September 2013

This from Bruce Gary amateur astronomer observing ISON...


"Measurements on several dates (after reappearing from behind the sun) show that the comet is brightening at a lower rate than expected, as if the activity level on the nucleus surface is actually decreasing! ISON has probably passed the "frost line" so why isn't it brightening instead of fading with respect to a model?  I've begun to lose interest in this comet, which may never become visible to the unaided eye. I wonder why someone ever suggested that it could become "comet of the century"?


ISON's coma is now a staggering 70,000Km in diameter according to recent observations which is significantly large than NEPTUNE although it's still not brightening as it should, but could this mean that ISON really IS a roaming PLANET after all?

Time will tell, but maybe it's just started to get interesting?

Source: [link to brucegary.net]

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Comet ISON for DUMMIES!

Okay, this is a thread for everyone who is Non-technical and Non-astronomical but wants to know all about ISON and what the potential is for disaster in plain simple English!

Firstly, what is a comet?

A Comet, according to the experts is just a ball of ice and dust that lurks far away in space in an orbit around the Sun, just like we orbit the sun!

Depending on how far away it is it can take years or tens of thousands of years before it comes around our way and we see it in the sky.

At a certain distance from the Sun a comet forms a tail. Some tails can be hundreds of thousands of miles in length and are made up of dust and gasses from the main body or nucleus!

When a Comet gets closer to the Sun it gets brighter because it "burns off" more of it's ice and gas at a faster rate, this produces something called a coma around it giving us that distinctive white ball ahead of the tail. A comets tail by the way, always points away from the Sun.

When a comet reaches its closest approach to the Sun it's called perihelion which is just a clever term for closest approach!

Not all comets survive perihelion because the Suns gravity can pull them apart, if this happens and any pieces survive they remain on the same course as the original comet.

Okay! Sounds straight forward enough, so what's the problem with ISON, if anything?

Well, there are many rumors and scare stories surrounding ISON. Some are just plain silly, but others might have some credence?!

When ISON was first detected last September it was hailed by NASA as a "Once in a Civilisations lifetime" event. Some accolade for something only just recently discovered you'd agree!

So what was NASA comparing it too? Why did they say this? Why do they still says this when it's now suspected to be uninteresting or even a dud - [link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]

It just doesn't seem to fit somehow, does it?!

So what DO we know about ISON for sure? Well, if we've been told the truth we know it's size to be around 3 miles in diameter when first detected at a distance of 5.8AU or 539,400,000 Miles. (AU is a clever abbreviated term for the distance from here to the Sun, known as an astronomical unit or 93 Million miles to you and I)

So, here we have a very small object Millions of Miles away moving quite slowly and yet even then it was hailed as something very special, so special that NASA gathered together a team of over 200 people just to analyze it and then forward that information on eventually to you and I, or so I thought!

So, as you Americans like to say, what have we got so far for our buck?

Well, so far not very much. One image was released by NASA in January, but that's it. They've also managed to loose a probe sent to investigate and image ISON which was named aptly enough "Deep Impact" - I hope it was insured?!

Moving on, there have been others who claim that the coma, remember that's the bit that gets bigger as it gets nearer the Sun, is anywhere between 50,000 and 120,000km in diameter, that's the size of Saturn by the way!

Now I've been trying to verify this information for weeks, but no matter how hard I try I just can't seem to find out the truth off the matter. Yes, we can get information from the internet or from NASA, but would you, or could you trust it?

But let's just hypothesize for one minute!

Let's just say ISON was around 50,000Km in diameter at its core which is around the size of Neptune what effects would or should it have on the Earth and to the other planets as it passes by?

Large objects have large mass. The gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn have large mass and hence a lot of GRAVITY! Now I don't know if you remember school days and someone said if you could find a bowl of water big enough you could put Saturn in it and it would float?! Well, ISON is pretty much the same I reckon, it's mainly gasses that we can see but what if its core or nucleus was really as big as Neptune and remember this is purely hypothetical, then logically it would have massive GRAVITY?!

So, if we have massive GRAVITY then something must happen to the other planets as it passes them by, but more importantly what effect would it have on us and our Sun?!!

It would certainly cause upheaval on the Earth if an object as large as NEPTUNE was in our back yard! Earthquakes would increase, not just in number but in magnitude too. Our weather would be affected as it electrically interacts with not just the Earth but also the Sun!

We know the Sun drives our weather. We know the Sun recharges our atmosphere and feeds the Earth with light and warmth, but it can also turn very nasty if you perturb it!

Have you ever heard of the term Barrycentre?

No! Well imagine a seesaw with the Sun on one side and the planets on the other, they balance!

Now, introduce another very large object with large mass and gravity on the side of the planets. Whoops! The balance tilts, and this is what would happen if you upset the Suns balance or Barrycentre by introducing such a large massive object into orbit around it.

The Sun WOULD REACT WITH MASSIVE FLARING that would be unprecedented in our world history!

Not a very nice day!


So, when will we know for sure just how big this Comets core really is and if there's any real danger that we should worry about?

Well, on the 1st of October the comet passes close to the planet Mars at around 7 Million miles distance, close enough for something to happen electrically if ISON is ANYWHERE near the size that I have hypothesized here. The electrical discharge between them wouldn't go unnoticed, believe me!

If there truly isn't anything to worry about NASA will take full advantage of the flyby to use the probes already orbiting Mars to image the comet from the Martian perspective but the question is, will they?

Anyone like to place a bet here?

So, if nothing happens then that's it, right?

Well, maybe not! Remember we talked about perihelion? Well if this chap is just a comet and it survives its journey around the Sun, it then heads back out again whence it came but worryingly as it does so it pass right over our heads!

The problem here is, what's in its tail?

They say that comets have brought plagues and pestilence in our distant past, but many dismiss this as pure conjecture! Well, maybe there right but then again what if they're wrong as this article from just a few days ago seems to suggest - [link to www.independent.co.uk] - So, comets could be transporting microbes to the Earth and we're just about to pass directly UNDERNEATH one...Brilliant!

So, there you have it pretty much. I'm sure there's more but I think that about covers the basics.

As I mentioned in the title, you should keep your eyes and ears open and use your own brain to assimilate the truth. If you need to be taken by the hand and led then this article is probably not for you and you should refer to others who may lead you unknowingly into the dark!

Good luck to you all, no matter who you are and what happens next!


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a well thought out non fear mongering thread nice one op
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Thank you!

Let's hope it just as well received by others who maybe interested!

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never mind it going over our heads in December OP, in January we go straight through the tail it leaves behind in the beginning of november
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never mind it going over our heads in December OP, in January we go straight through the tail it leaves behind in the beginning of november
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True, but as I said I'm trying to keep it simple although I know there's a bit more too it!

Thanks for the input!

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Need a timeline here: October 1st Mars, then...
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So the size of ISON is 3 miles in diameter. But the coma (comet's aura) is speculated(or measured?) to reach 50000km - 120000km in diameter? Is that an accurate assessment? Even if the coma is that big, since the coma is not solid but a burned off material as it approaches the sun, do you really think it will add much to the gravity of the solid part of the comet? Just like the air surrounding the solid part of the earth, does the air affects earth's gravity? If not, and if gravity is only effected by the solid part of the sky object, then fear of large gravity effect may be unnecessary.

But if the coma is really that big, then when it comes to nearer than 5.8 AU, we all may witness a very large object in the sky. Now, the doom may not be caused by the comet's gravity or the burning coma, but most probably caused by the panic of the non thinking sheeples who might think the end is near after noticing a very big object in the sky, just like the stampede of panic people in a room where all are rushing toward one exit door. So the more probable doom from this ISON comet is the doom and chaos caused by panic morons. How about that?
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So the size of ISON is 3 miles in diameter. But the coma (comet's aura) is speculated(or measured?) to reach 50000km - 120000km in diameter? Is that an accurate assessment? Even if the coma is that big, since the coma is not solid but a burned off material as it approaches the sun, do you really think it will add much to the gravity of the solid part of the comet? Just like the air surrounding the solid part of the earth, does the air affects earth's gravity? If not, and if gravity is only effected by the solid part of the sky object, then fear of large gravity effect may be unnecessary.

But if the coma is really that big, then when it comes to nearer than 5.8 AU, we all may witness a very large object in the sky. Now, the doom may not be caused by the comet's gravity or the burning coma, but most probably caused by the panic of the non thinking sheeples who might think the end is near after noticing a very big object in the sky, just like the stampede of panic people in a room where all are rushing toward one exit door. So the more probable doom from this ISON comet is the doom and chaos caused by panic morons. How about that?
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if it gets really big in the night sky, imagine all the car accidents as stupid twats gawk at it at 70 mph?
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in January we go straight through the tail
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No, we don't.
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Need a timeline here: October 1st Mars, then...
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Okay, after the 1st it continues its journey heading below the Earth on its way to perihelion, the closest approach with the Sun on Thanksgiving Day. It travels very close around the Sun and then makes it way home traveling up and over our orbit around the 25th of December.

The nearest it gets to the Earth, if the data from NASA is correct is around 39 Million miles!

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So you know the exact flight path then ?
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So the size of ISON is 3 miles in diameter. But the coma (comet's aura) is speculated(or measured?) to reach 50000km - 120000km in diameter? Is that an accurate assessment? Even if the coma is that big, since the coma is not solid but a burned off material as it approaches the sun, do you really think it will add much to the gravity of the solid part of the comet? Just like the air surrounding the solid part of the earth, does the air affects earth's gravity? If not, and if gravity is only effected by the solid part of the sky object, then fear of large gravity effect may be unnecessary.

But if the coma is really that big, then when it comes to nearer than 5.8 AU, we all may witness a very large object in the sky. Now, the doom may not be caused by the comet's gravity or the burning coma, but most probably caused by the panic of the non thinking sheeples who might think the end is near after noticing a very big object in the sky, just like the stampede of panic people in a room where all are rushing toward one exit door. So the more probable doom from this ISON comet is the doom and chaos caused by panic morons. How about that?
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Okay, no one is quite sure of how big the coma actually is. The figure of 50,000 - 120,000km has been speculated from the first image released by NASA and subsequent image released from an independent? observatory in Belgium.

The figure of 5.8AU was its distance from the Sun at the time of its discovery and is not its current distance which at present is 1.76AU or around 164,000,000 miles.

If and when I have any more information on the size of the coma I will post it here!

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So you know the exact flight path then ?
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There are various websites carrying information about the flight of ISON through the inner system like this one - [link to www.solarsystemscope.com] - So it's not hard to get some idea of were it should be and when!

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Comet ISON for DUMMIES!

Okay, this is a thread for everyone who is Non-technical and Non-astronomical but wants to know all about ISON and what the potential is for disaster in plain simple English!

Firstly, what is a comet?

A Comet, according to the experts is just a ball of ice and dust that lurks far away in space in an orbit around the Sun, just like we orbit the sun!

Depending on how far away it is it can take years or tens of thousands of years before it comes around our way and we see it in the sky.

At a certain distance from the Sun a comet forms a tail. Some tails can be hundreds of thousands of miles in length and are made up of dust and gasses from the main body or nucleus!

When a Comet gets closer to the Sun it gets brighter because it "burns off" more of it's ice and gas at a faster rate, this produces something called a coma around it giving us that distinctive white ball ahead of the tail. A comets tail by the way, always points away from the Sun.

When a comet reaches its closest approach to the Sun it's called perihelion which is just a clever term for closest approach!

Not all comets survive perihelion because the Suns gravity can pull them apart, if this happens and any pieces survive they remain on the same course as the original comet.

Okay! Sounds straight forward enough, so what's the problem with ISON, if anything?

Well, there are many rumors and scare stories surrounding ISON. Some are just plain silly, but others might have some credence?!

When ISON was first detected last September it was hailed by NASA as a "Once in a Civilisations lifetime" event. Some accolade for something only just recently discovered!

So what was NASA comparing it too? Why did they say this? Why do they still says this when it's now supposed to be a dud - [link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]

It just doesn't seem to fit somehow, does it?!

So what DO we know about ISON for sure? Well, if we've been told the truth we know it's size was around 3 miles in diameter when first detected and it was at a distance of 5.8AU or 539,400,000 Miles. (AU is a clever abbreviated term for the distance from here to the Sun, known as an astronomical unit or 93 Million miles to you and I)

So, here we have a very small object Millions of Miles away moving quite slowly and yet even then it was hailed as something very special, so special that NASA gathered together a team of over 200 people just to analyze it and then to forward that information on eventually to you and I, or so I thought!

So, as you Americans like to say, what have we got so far for our buck from NASA

Well, so far not very much. One image was released by NASA in January, but that's it. They've also managed to loose a probe sent to investigate and image ISON. It was named aptly enough "Deep Impact" - I hope it was insured?!

Moving on, there have been others who claim that the coma, remember that's the bit that gets bigger as it gets nearer the Sun, is anywhere between 50,000 and 120,000km in diameter, that's the size of Saturn by the way!

Now I've been trying to verify this information for weeks, but no matter how hard I try I just can't seem to find out the truth off the matter. Yes, we can get information from the internet or from NASA, but would you, or could you trust it?

Let's just for one minute hypothesize!

If ISON was around 50,000Km in diameter, or at least the size of Neptune what effects would or should it have on the Earth and to the other planets as it passes by?

Large objects have large mass. The gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn have large mass and hence a lot of GRAVITY! Now I don't know if you remember school days and someone said if you could find a bowl of water big enough you could put Saturn in it and it would float?! Well, ISON is pretty much the same I reckon, it's mainly gasses and either its coma or nucleus could be as big as Saturn. If it is, and remember this is purely hypothetical, then logically it should have massive GRAVITY?!

So, if we have massive GRAVITY then something must happen to the other planets as it passes them by, but more importantly what effect would it have on our Sun?!!

We know the Sun drives our weather. We know the Sun recharges our atmosphere and feeds the Earth with light and warmth, but it can also turn very nasty if you perturb it!

Have you ever heard of the term Barrycentre?

No! Well imagine a seesaw with the Sun on one side and the planets on the other, they balance!

Now, introduce another very large object with large mass and gravity on the side of the planets. Whoops! The balance tilts, and this is what would happen if you upset the Suns balance or Barrycentre by introducing such a large massive object into orbit around it.

The Sun WOULD REACT WITH MASSIVE FLARING that would be unprecedented in our history!

So, when will we know for sure just how big this Comet really is and if there's any real danger that we should worry about?

Well, on the 1st of October the comet passes close to the planet Mars at around 7 Million miles distance, close enough for something to happen electrically if ISON is ANYWHERE near this size that I have hypothesized here. The electrical discharge between them wouldn't go unnoticed, believe me!

If there truly isn't anything to worry about NASA will take full advantage of the flyby to use the probes already orbiting Mars to image the comet from the Martian perspective but the question is, will they?

Anyone like to place a bet here?

So, if nothing happens then that's it, right?

Well, maybe not! Remember we talked about perihelion? Well if this chap is just a comet and it survives its journey around the Sun, it then heads back out again whence it came but worryingly as it does so it pass right over our heads!

The problem here is, what's in its tail?

They say that comets have brought plagues and pestilence in our distant past, but many dismiss this as pure conjecture! Well, maybe there right but then again what if they're wrong as this article from just a few days ago seems to suggest - [link to www.independent.co.uk] - So, comets could be transporting microbes to the Earth and we're just about to pass directly UNDERNEATH one...Brilliant!

So, there you have it pretty much. I'm sure there's more but I think that about covers the basics.

As I mentioned in the title, you should keep your eyes and ears open and use your own brain to assimilate the truth. If you need to be taken by the hand and led then this article is probably not for you and you should refer to others who may lead you unknowingly into the dark!

Good luck to you all, no matter who you are and what happens next!


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just search the old comet elenin threads, you'll soon get the idea.
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So you know the exact flight path then ?
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Just to remind everyone that during its closest approach to the Earth comet ISON is supposed to be as bright, if not brighter than the FULL MOON

NASA's words originally, not mine!

Now just to put this into context, if you go outside you may be lucky to see Venus which is very bright but not as bright as ISON was/is predicted to be.

Now ISON's core or nucleus is supposedly just 3 miles in diameter, okay!

When it's supposed to be at it brightest ISON will be 39 Million Miles from the Earth, so that's a rock, 3 miles across will appear BRIGHTER than VENUS, which is around the same size as the Earth!

At the time of closest approach both ISON and VENUS will be around the same distance from the Earth, therefore in order for ISON to be brighter than VENUS one would logically assume it would need to be the same size or slightly bigger!

So, depending on how big it is forecast to be in our skies, and I don't know that for sure, it will need to be at least 12,000km in diameter, either the nucleus or the coma just to appear to be the same size as VENUS.

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So you know the exact flight path then ?
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Thanks for your input, but not too technical please!

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So you know the exact flight path then ?
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Thanks for your input, but not too technical please!

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I have a feeling that tomorrow night's VC show will be fairly non-technical.
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Just to remind everyone that during its closest approach to the Earth comet ISON is supposed to be as bright, if not brighter than the FULL MOON

NASA's words originally, not mine!

Now just to put this into context, if you go outside you may be lucky to see Venus which is very bright but not as bright as ISON was/is predicted to be.

Now ISON's core or nucleus is supposedly just 3 miles in diameter, okay!

When it's supposed to be at it brightest ISON will be 39 Million Miles from the Earth, so that's a rock, 3 miles across will appear BRIGHTER than VENUS, which is around the same size as the Earth!

At the time of closest approach both ISON and VENUS will be around the same distance from the Earth, therefore in order for ISON to be brighter than VENUS one would logically assume it would need to be the same size or slightly bigger!

So, depending on how big it is forecast to be in our skies, and I don't know that for sure, it will need to be at least 12,000km in diameter, either the nucleus or the coma just to appear to be the same size as VENUS.

So just to be absolutely clear.

At its closest approach to Earth, and to look the same size and brightness as VENUS it will have to either have a nucleus OR coma of at least 12,000km! in diameter!!

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At least the title of this thread is somewhat accurate.

The first part of our opening post isn't so bad, but then you start to display an assortment of false premises regarding what NASA has said and more importantly what the density of a comets tail is. The coma/tail of a comet accounts for a small fraction of its mass and thus you cannot use the diameter of said coma/tail to determine its gravitational effects. I applaud you for trying to learn a little more about comets on your own, but you really need to gain a little bit better understanding regarding gravity, mass and density and such.
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At least the title of this thread is somewhat accurate.

The first part of our opening post isn't so bad, but then you start to display an assortment of false premises regarding what NASA has said and more importantly what the density of a comets tail is. The coma/tail of a comet accounts for a small fraction of its mass and thus you cannot use the diameter of said coma/tail to determine its gravitational effects. I applaud you for trying to learn a little more about comets on your own, but you really need to gain a little bit better understanding regarding gravity, mass and density and such.
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Now it's interesting you should say this. Maybe you could explain just what it is that gives say, Saturn its gravity if it's formed mainly just from gases, which in themselves have little or no mass?

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At least the title of this thread is somewhat accurate.

The first part of our opening post isn't so bad, but then you start to display an assortment of false premises regarding what NASA has said and more importantly what the density of a comets tail is. The coma/tail of a comet accounts for a small fraction of its mass and thus you cannot use the diameter of said coma/tail to determine its gravitational effects. I applaud you for trying to learn a little more about comets on your own, but you really need to gain a little bit better understanding regarding gravity, mass and density and such.
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Now it's interesting you should say this. Maybe you could explain just what it is that gives say, Saturn its gravity if it's formed mainly just from gases, which in themselves have little or no mass?

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That is where "density" comes into play.

Consider this:

If we observe Comet JoeSmith out around Jupiter and we measure the coma to be around 50,000 km.

Then 6 months later it is measured to be 200,000 km in size.

Is its mass 4 times greater?

Answer: No
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At least the title of this thread is somewhat accurate.

The first part of our opening post isn't so bad, but then you start to display an assortment of false premises regarding what NASA has said and more importantly what the density of a comets tail is. (Sorry, I never mentioned the density of a comets tail? I point out, correctly that it's a mixture of dust and gasses!?) The coma/tail of a comet accounts for a small fraction of its mass and thus you cannot use the diameter of said coma/tail to determine its gravitational effects. (I think you'll find I was writing about the size of the nucleus mainly in theory to give a hypothetical viewpoint) I applaud you for trying to learn a little more about comets on your own, but you really need to gain a little bit better understanding regarding gravity, mass and density and such. (please see my other reply to this observation)
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At least the title of this thread is somewhat accurate.

The first part of our opening post isn't so bad, but then you start to display an assortment of false premises regarding what NASA has said and more importantly what the density of a comets tail is. The coma/tail of a comet accounts for a small fraction of its mass and thus you cannot use the diameter of said coma/tail to determine its gravitational effects. I applaud you for trying to learn a little more about comets on your own, but you really need to gain a little bit better understanding regarding gravity, mass and density and such.
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Now it's interesting you should say this. Maybe you could explain just what it is that gives say, Saturn its gravity if it's formed mainly just from gases, which in themselves have little or no mass?

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That is where "density" comes into play.

Consider this:

If we observe Comet JoeSmith out around Jupiter and we measure the coma to be around 50,000 km.

Then 6 months later it is measured to be 200,000 km in size.

Is its mass 4 times greater?

Answer: No
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Yes I understand this point, but what about my question!

What gives Saturn its gravity if it consists mainly of gasses?

And I replied to your other points separately, sorry!

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Yes I understand this point, but what about my question!

What gives Saturn its gravity if it consists mainly of gasses?

And I replied to your other points separately, sorry!

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Gases can be compressed to give a higher density. And the huge amount of gas associated with Saturn creates a large gravity filed which causes the compression.
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Yes I understand this point, but what about my question!

What gives Saturn its gravity if it consists mainly of gasses?

And I replied to your other points separately, sorry!

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Gases can be compressed to give a higher density. And the huge amount of gas associated with Saturn creates a large gravity filed which causes the compression.
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So, what your saying, I think is that because Saturn has compressed gasses of huge density surrounding it, this is what creates its gravity?
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Yes I understand this point, but what about my question!

What gives Saturn its gravity if it consists mainly of gasses?

And I replied to your other points separately, sorry!

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Gases can be compressed to give a higher density. And the huge amount of gas associated with Saturn creates a large gravity filed which causes the compression.
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So, what your saying, I think is that because Saturn has compressed gasses of huge density surrounding it, this is what creates its gravity?
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Gravity is caused by mass. The density of the gases which make up Saturn is large because the mass of those gases was large enough to compress them down to the size of Saturn. The density of the gases in ISON's coma is really small compared to Saturn.

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