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Mars WILL ALTER ISON'S Orbit!

 
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doubtful that mars will alter ison's course. mars does not possess a singular magnetic shield as does the earth but rather multiple localized magnetic muons. the strength of mars magnetic strength is a great deal to that of the earth's.
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It's Gravity that's involved - not Magnetism.

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Did we pass through Haley's tail
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Yes, May 19th 1910
There was a lot of hype at the time.......and nothing untoward happened.

And it's 'Halley' by the way.

Did you realise that we pass through the trail of debris left behind by Halley, twice every year?
It causes the 'Orionids' shower in late October, and the 'Eta Aquarids' in early May.

Most of the regular meteor showers are caused by comet debris (and a few by asteroids)
Lyrids - Comet Thatcher
Perseids - Swift-Tuttle
Leonids - Tempel-Tuttle
Geminids - (Asteroid 3200 Phaethon)
etc, etc..
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One time when Nibiru came through it swept through the asteroid belt and dislodged a bunch of them.


They rained down on earth and mars.

Mars's atmosphere was destroyed then.

And also the way station that the annunaki had on mars was destroyed.


At least according to Enki.
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One time when Nibiru came through it swept through the asteroid belt and dislodged a bunch of them.


They rained down on earth and mars.

Mars's atmosphere was destroyed then.

And also the way station that the annunaki had on mars was destroyed.


At least according to Enki.
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In other words, complete bullshit.
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ISON will encounter Mars near directly over the north pole on Oct 1st. NASA's JPL, and indeed all orbital diagrams relied upon ]do not factor planetary encounter circumstances! And since ISON will be so close to Mars, there is sure to be orbital change, due to the gravitational effects of both bodies! The possible end result is that Mars will (gravitationally) fling ISON towards Earth!
 Quoting: Kalki 12772450


If the Electric Universe Theory is correct, ISON may have built up a huge charge that could be triggered by proximity to Mars.

Every action has an equal, and opposite, reaction ... so there may be some delta V.

damned
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doubtful that mars will alter ison's course. mars does not possess a singular magnetic shield as does the earth but rather multiple localized magnetic muons. the strength of mars magnetic strength is a great deal to that of the earth's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47175432

It's Gravity that's involved - not Magnetism.

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The Universe works on electricity, not gravity.
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Astroshill is probably missing comet linear's impact on earth may next year!
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ISON will encounter Mars near directly over the north pole on Oct 1st. NASA's JPL, and indeed all orbital diagrams relied upon ]do not factor planetary encounter circumstances! And since ISON will be so close to Mars, there is sure to be orbital change, due to the gravitational effects of both bodies! The possible end result is that Mars will (gravitationally) fling ISON towards Earth!
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ISON will encounter Mars near directly over the north pole on Oct 1st. NASA's JPL, and indeed all orbital diagrams relied upon ]do not factor planetary encounter circumstances! And since ISON will be so close to Mars, there is sure to be orbital change, due to the gravitational effects of both bodies! The possible end result is that Mars will (gravitationally) fling ISON towards Earth!
 Quoting: Kalki 12772450


If the Electric Universe Theory is correct, ISON may have built up a huge charge that could be triggered by proximity to Mars.

Every action has an equal, and opposite, reaction ... so there may be some delta V.

damned
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If the Electric Universe Theory were correct, the sun would go out in less than one second.

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mars gravity is also a great deal weaker than that of earths. velocity can negate the effects of gravity, hence the velocity of ison won't even slow down for the mars speedbump.
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hydra you have been repeatedly wrong in your analysis
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Its an EU universe alright.

Here are some educational links:

[link to www.electricuniverse.info]

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
The Essential Guide to the Electric Universe (EG2EU)


The Cosmic Thunderbolt Pt. 1 | From "Symbols of an Alien Sky" Episode 3
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light!
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hydra you have been repeatedly wrong in your analysis
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Then show me where I was wrong.

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no...these math fuckers are actually pretty damn good at what they do

you need to worry more about an asteroid they haven't had enough time to study and run the trajectory models on
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Its an EU universe alright.

Here are some educational links:

[link to www.electricuniverse.info]

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
The Essential Guide to the Electric Universe (EG2EU)


The Cosmic Thunderbolt Pt. 1 | From "Symbols of an Alien Sky" Episode 3
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn

Yep - Thunderbold = Solar Resistor Model

"The "Solar Resistor Model" raises a number of ... questions which the EU proponents don't address but which I will ask here.

* Long current streams unconfined by wires are subject to a number of instabilities. How does the EU model prevent these instabilities from switching off the Sun in short timescales? Have they calculated the timescale for this process?
* Since the EU model rules out an internal mechanism for powering the Sun, what drives the 22-year solar magnetic cycle that is responsible for the 11-year solar sunspot cycle? How does an approximately steady current (driving a relatively constant luminosity) drive this mechanism?
* What is the origin of the current? I regard this as the true mystery of the Electric Cosmos that they never seem to talk about.
* If you can correct the problem of the magnetic field being too large, how do you solve the problem that the field is pointed in the wrong direction compared to the measured solar field?
* If you claim nuclear reactions are taking place on the solar surface, specify which reactions!
* I see no description of the optical effects due to Thomson scattering from the incoming electron streams. At the densities implied by these models, we should see bright columns from the north & south poles of the Sun during eclipses."

[link to dealingwithcreationisminastronomy.blogspot.de]

Perhaps you can solve this problems.

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Astro if siding spring does hit mars, how much risk would there be to earth?

Could the martian atmosphere act as a siding spring and set the comet on an unpredictable path?

Are more comets coming than in the past ? Or has our ability to detect them just improved ? I suppose there is no way to know..
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Astro if siding spring does hit mars, how much risk would there be to earth?

Could the martian atmosphere act as a siding spring and set the comet on an unpredictable path?

Are more comets coming than in the past ? Or has our ability to detect them just improved ? I suppose there is no way to know..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45796083


Actually the number of comets detected so far this year and last is less than in recent years. If Siding Spring hits mars there won't be a comet left, it will vaporize on impact. I haven't calculated the amount of ejecta such an impact would produce, or how much of it would be expected to exceed martian escape velocity.
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Re: Mars WILL ALTER ISON'S Orbit!
One time when Nibiru came through it swept through the asteroid belt and dislodged a bunch of them.


They rained down on earth and mars.

Mars's atmosphere was destroyed then.

And also the way station that the annunaki had on mars was destroyed.


At least according to Enki.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


In other words, complete bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47474660




Upon the Earth the warmth was rising, vegetation flourished, wild creatures overran the land;

The rains were heavier, rivers were gushing, abodes repairing needed.

Upon the Earth the heat was increasing, the snow white parts to water were melting,

The bars of the seas the oceans were not containing.

From the depths of the Earth volcanoes were fire and brimstones belching,

The grounds were trembling, each time the Earth was shaking.

In the Lower World, the snow white-hued place, the Earth was grumbling;

At the tip of the Abzu, Enki a place for observing established,

To his son Nergal and his spouse Ereshkigal command thereof he entrusted.

A thing unknown, an untoward thing, thereunder is brewing! Nei-gal to his father Enki said.

In Nibru-ki, the place of the Bond Heaven-Earth, Enlil the heavenly circuits was watching,




There is turmoil in the heavens! Enlil to his brother Enki said.

From the planet Lahrnu (Mars), the place of the way station, Marduk to Enki his father was
complaining:


Strong winds are disturbing, annoying dust storms they are raising!

So Marduk to his father Enki words was beaming:

In the Hammered Bracelet, turmoils are occurring!

Upon the Earth, brimstones from the skies were falling.

Pitiless demons havoc causing, violently the Earth they approached,

Into flaming fires in the skies they were bursting.

In a clear day darkness they were causing, with storms and Evil Winds they raged around.

Like stony missiles the Earth they were attacking,

Kingu, Earth's Moon, and Lahmu too by these havocs were afflicted,

The faces of all three with countless scars were covered!

Enlil and Enki to Anu the king urgent words were beaming, Nibiru's savants they alerted:


The Earth and the Moon and Lahmu a calamity unknown are facing!

From Nibiru the savants were responding; their words the leaders' hearts were not calming:

In the heavens the family of the Sun were taking stations,

The celestials of whom Earth is the seventh in a row were choosing places.

In the heavens Nibiru was approaching, the Sun's abode it was nearing.



- Book of Enki
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Don't know about the mars encounter causing ISON to hit earth, but it is rather interesting how the orbit takes it within 7m km... This type of encounter is the same thing we do with space probes to adjust their orbits.
 Quoting: Billy_Sastard

Where did you get these numbers? University of YouTube?

E.g. Voyager 1 passed Jupiter at a distance of 349,000 kilometers and Saturn at 124,000 kilometers to gain speed and change the orbit.

A little difference to your 7 million kilometers, isn't it?

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And no tonly is the distance much farther, but the mass of the rplanet involved is miniscule compared to either Jupiter or Saturn.

It's approacjhing a much smaller body (Mars) at a much greater distance... This encounter isn't going to do a damn thing to Ison's trajectory.
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ISON will encounter Mars near directly over the north pole on Oct 1st. NASA's JPL, and indeed all orbital diagrams relied upon ]do not factor planetary encounter circumstances! And since ISON will be so close to Mars, there is sure to be orbital change, due to the gravitational effects of both bodies! The possible end result is that Mars will (gravitationally) fling ISON towards Earth!
 Quoting: Kalki 12772450


If the Electric Universe Theory is correct, ISON may have built up a huge charge that could be triggered by proximity to Mars.

Every action has an equal, and opposite, reaction ... so there may be some delta V.

damned
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If the Electric Universe Theory were correct, the sun would go out in less than one second.

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good chance that "less than one second" is billions of years to us, based on our perception of time. think aboot it! ;}
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Dr astro what's your comments on siding spring phil plait said its the end of days
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It'll probably miss. If it doesn't, it will be the most spectacular astronomical event of our lives.
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???
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No. It won't.
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ISON will encounter Mars near directly over the north pole on Oct 1st. NASA's JPL, and indeed all orbital diagrams relied upon ]do not factor planetary encounter circumstances! And since ISON will be so close to Mars, there is sure to be orbital change, due to the gravitational effects of both bodies! The possible end result is that Mars will (gravitationally) fling ISON towards Earth!
 Quoting: Kalki 12772450


If the Electric Universe Theory is correct, ISON may have built up a huge charge that could be triggered by proximity to Mars.

Every action has an equal, and opposite, reaction ... so there may be some delta V.

damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43776568

If the Electric Universe Theory were correct, the sun would go out in less than one second.

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good chance that "less than one second" is billions of years to us, based on our perception of time. think aboot it! ;}
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19064274

Wrong - less than one second in our time frame.

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doubtful that mars will alter ison's course. mars does not possess a singular magnetic shield as does the earth but rather multiple localized magnetic muons. mars magnetic strength is a great deal weaker than that of the earth's.
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The deflection of orbit would be gravitational, not magnetic.
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doubtful that mars will alter ison's course. mars does not possess a singular magnetic shield as does the earth but rather multiple localized magnetic muons. the strength of mars magnetic strength is a great deal to that of the earth's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47175432

It's Gravity that's involved - not Magnetism.

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The Universe works on electricity, not gravity.
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The Universe works on both, at different levels. If you are talking about deflection of orbit, gravity is causing it, not magnetism.
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Just an idea, what if the proximity to mars causes the debris behind ISON to alter course and possibly impact earth, rather than the ISON itself ?
I don't know much about about astro physics or where the earth will be in relation to the debris field, but can anyone confirm or deny ?
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We've got three .gov shills working as a team on this thread, so my guess is that Mars WILL ALTER ISON'S Orbit!
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Don't know about the mars encounter causing ISON to hit earth, but it is rather interesting how the orbit takes it within 7m km... This type of encounter is the same thing we do with space probes to adjust their orbits.
 Quoting: Billy_Sastard

Where did you get these numbers? University of YouTube?

E.g. Voyager 1 passed Jupiter at a distance of 349,000 kilometers and Saturn at 124,000 kilometers to gain speed and change the orbit.

A little difference to your 7 million kilometers, isn't it?

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 Quoting: Hydra


And no tonly is the distance much farther, but the mass of the rplanet involved is miniscule compared to either Jupiter or Saturn.

It's approacjhing a much smaller body (Mars) at a much greater distance... This encounter isn't going to do a damn thing to Ison's trajectory.
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Hey now, I was just making a simple observation...

You cannot say, however, that the mars encounter 'wont do a damn thing' to ISONs orbit! In the scale of our solar system, 7m km is pretty damn close! This is definitely close enough for the gravity well of mars to have some effect on the orbital trajectory of a 3km chunk of ice. One has to remember that our space probes have not had very much mass, a mere fraction of the mass of a 3km chunk of ice for sure. If you know anything about gravity you would know that as the mass of an object increases, so does do the gravitation effects on that object, so a more massive object will be effected at greater distances.

What I am NOT saying is that the encounter is going to drastically effect the orbit, or that it will 'fling' the comet into the earth, my argument is simply that the mars encounter will have some effect on the trajectory... Heck, if anything, the encounter could cause the comet to have a closer encounter with the sun and it will never come back from the far side.
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ISON will encounter Mars near directly over the north pole on Oct 1st. NASA's JPL, and indeed all orbital diagrams relied upon ]do not factor planetary encounter circumstances! And since ISON will be so close to Mars, there is sure to be orbital change, due to the gravitational effects of both bodies! The possible end result is that Mars will (gravitationally) fling ISON towards Earth!
 Quoting: Kalki 12772450

So, rather speculate blindly, compute the orbits and gravitational effects yourself and prove your claim.
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where did you get your astronomy phd from? the university of glp?
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Actually he's right.

When they calculated its orbit they laft out Planetary Encounters out of the calculations. Thats been up on their own Websites.

They cannot calculate somthing thats an unknown.

So there you have it and we will all have to wait until MONDAY and TUESDAY for the news!





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