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Intel Inside Job – 3G wireless link embedded in iCore processors

 
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After reading this article, I felt sick even though I don’t have “Sandy Bridge” chipset or better like “Ivy Bridge” or Haswell. This is so disturbing, it is insidious.  You may have entire multi-million dollar data centers and some with personal confidential data that can be exploited wirelessly over a 3G cellular data link.

Individuals, corporations and governments spend handsome amounts to secure their computers against intrusion and Intel or perhaps other CPU manufacturers purposely compromise the system with an embedded surveillance devices! Every device these computer chips inhabit are garbage because they can be subverted regardless of what software is on the computer.  It’s a Intel inside job!  Lawsuit time!  Get this out to everyone you can!
 
Do you have a newer computer vintage 2011 or greater acting weird or slow despite anti-virus and mechanic software designed to make your pc faster by clearing out registry bugs, stuff like that? 

It maybe your “sandy bridge” processor being hacked, wirelessly, covertly beyond your control from a US government agency to an advanced hacker army!  Your life isn’t your own.

This is consumer subversion and a consumer trust issue of the highest level.  This might explain why a certain stock exchange went down for a day for no reason at all.

Sources: [link to www.theregister.co.uk]
[link to www.tomshardware.com]
[link to www.digitaltrends.com]
[link to investmentwatchblog.com]
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After reading this article, I felt sick even though I don’t have “Sandy Bridge” chipset or better like “Ivy Bridge” or Haswell. This is so disturbing, it is insidious.  You may have entire multi-million dollar data centers and some with personal confidential data that can be exploited wirelessly over a 3G cellular data link.

Individuals, corporations and governments spend handsome amounts to secure their computers against intrusion and Intel or perhaps other CPU manufacturers purposely compromise the system with an embedded surveillance devices! Every device these computer chips inhabit are garbage because they can be subverted regardless of what software is on the computer.  It’s a Intel inside job!  Lawsuit time!  Get this out to everyone you can!
 
Do you have a newer computer vintage 2011 or greater acting weird or slow despite anti-virus and mechanic software designed to make your pc faster by clearing out registry bugs, stuff like that? 

It maybe your “sandy bridge” processor being hacked, wirelessly, covertly beyond your control from a US government agency to an advanced hacker army!  Your life isn’t your own.

This is consumer subversion and a consumer trust issue of the highest level.  This might explain why a certain stock exchange went down for a day for no reason at all.

Sources: [link to www.theregister.co.uk]
[link to www.tomshardware.com]
[link to www.digitaltrends.com]
[link to investmentwatchblog.com]
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If that`s the issue i can easily monitor and find that frequency with my SDR.

This is impossible.
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It's technically impossible to do something like that. Even if it were, it would be trivial to detect it.

The articles were just ridiculing the idea.
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It's technically impossible to do something like that. Even if it were, it would be trivial to detect it.

The articles were just ridiculing the idea.
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Ummm, no.

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Re: Intel Inside Job – 3G wireless link embedded in iCore processors
It's technically impossible to do something like that. Even if it were, it would be trivial to detect it.

The articles were just ridiculing the idea.
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No the sources are not ridiculing the idea. It is product marketing documentation supporting the 3G cellular data link embedded hardware as a positive administration feature.

This technology is not impossible. Do not quickly dismiss the sources and research yourself through the Intel corporation product documentation.
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Anyone who believes this shit has no idea how microprocessors work or how computer hardware generally works !

IF Intel would do something like this, it would have been discovered 10 mins after the first processor hit the market, the whole article is absolutely ridiculous !
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From Intel's own PR release:

Protecting Data on Missing Laptops
To provide stronger defense against the problem of laptop theft and data loss, Intel today introduced Intel® Anti-Theft Technology Ver. 3.0 (AT 3.0), included on all 2nd generation Intel Core and Core vPro processors.


Previous versions of Intel Anti-Theft Technology enabled authorized IT or service personnel to send a coded "poison pill" over the Internet to completely disable a lost or stolen computer and help prevent access to its encrypted data and deter theft. New Intel AT 3.0 enables the poison pill to be sent as an encrypted, authenticated SMS message by an authorized administrator over a 3G cellular network as well within moments after a missing laptop is turned on. When recovered, the PC can be similarly re-activated with another message. Its new Locator Beacon capability gives authorities the ability to pinpoint a missing laptop using GPS technology on select 3G modems.


[link to newsroom.intel.com]

Unless you don't speak/read/understand english, I'm unclear as to how you this can be interpreted as anything but possible.

However, if pictures and sound are easier to digest, then you might appreciate this video (again, from Intel) explaining the "features". If you listen carefully, you'll hear them explain that they can turn a laptop off with an SMS (text message) WITHOUT THE COMPUTER BEING PLUGGED IN TO A NETWORK.

[link to www.intel.com]

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Load of nonsense wouldn't work without a purposely added antenna. In which case every single motherboard maker would have to get in on the act. CPUs are shielded to prevent RF interference, same shielding would block any attempt to contact a cell tower.
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Anyone who believes this shit has no idea how microprocessors work or how computer hardware generally works !

IF Intel would do something like this, it would have been discovered 10 mins after the first processor hit the market, the whole article is absolutely ridiculous !
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If you are a engineer, are you saying the following is impossible? :

“The new Intel Core vPro processors contain a new remote access feature which allows 100 percent remote access to a PC 100 percent of the time, even if the computer is turned off. Core vPro processors contain a second physical processor embedded within the main processor which has it’s own operating system embedded on the chip itself. As long as the power supply is available and and in working condition, it can be woken up by the Core vPro processor, which runs on the system’s phantom power and is able to quietly turn individual hardware components on and access anything on them.”

I guess some Samsung galaxy phones operates on the concept of voodoo. That is how the FBI monitors your cell phone.
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If you're still in denial, here's a video demonstration using "Absolute" software installed on a PC with an intel VPRO chipset.

It's real alright.

[link to www3.absolute.com]

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That's what you get when you let the israelis develop the processor.....
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Found this on the Intel official channel:

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It's technically impossible to do something like that. Even if it were, it would be trivial to detect it.

The articles were just ridiculing the idea.
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i suppose you know the truth hey?
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Use AMD unlocked FX chips
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Many laptop motherboards have an expansion slot for a cellular card. This coupled with the onnboard technology referenced in the article could do as the OP stated. But you would have to have the Cell card and a service contract to make that happen. The processor itself can't make a connection, among other reasons, because it lacks a large enough antenna. Now, you want to get really freaked out run a sniffer on your laptop and watch computrace send data even though you didn't buy it, never turned it on, and didn't even know it was there. Computrace is installed on the motherboard of virtually every laptop out there. The company knows full well that huge numbers of them are sending data without the users knowledge.
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wow... the shills sure came out of the woodwork to discredit this~!
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That's what you get when you let the israelis develop the processor.....
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I think processors made prior to 2003 would be safe but I could be wrong since a unique identifier or serial number was embedded in Pentium 3 processors that could be read by some applications for identification and tracing purposes.

source: [link to www.computerhope.com]
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Found this on the Intel official channel:


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Thank you for taking time to find that and embedding the video!!!
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Fuck intel, who the hell wants to pay $1000+ for a cpu when the FX series is pretty close to intels sandy bridge or whatever especially when the FX is OC'd? And the FX line is what...a 1/10 of the price.

Im running a AMD FX-6300 OC'd at 4.3ghz with a GTX 460 OC'd, and 8 gig corsair vengeance oc'd to ddr3-1800. I can play practically any game on the highest settings....So wtf is the point of having a $1000 dollar cpu when my computer is worth $600 max total and can play and do everything the counterpart can?
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Who cares? I have a i7 Haswel processor. They could check to see my awesome gaming skills or check out my titty collection. I'm a pretty boring person otherwise. 5a
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After reading this article, I felt sick even though I don’t have “Sandy Bridge” chipset or better like “Ivy Bridge” or Haswell. This is so disturbing, it is insidious.  You may have entire multi-million dollar data centers and some with personal confidential data that can be exploited wirelessly over a 3G cellular data link.

Individuals, corporations and governments spend handsome amounts to secure their computers against intrusion and Intel or perhaps other CPU manufacturers purposely compromise the system with an embedded surveillance devices! Every device these computer chips inhabit are garbage because they can be subverted regardless of what software is on the computer.  It’s a Intel inside job!  Lawsuit time!  Get this out to everyone you can!
 
Do you have a newer computer vintage 2011 or greater acting weird or slow despite anti-virus and mechanic software designed to make your pc faster by clearing out registry bugs, stuff like that? 

It maybe your “sandy bridge” processor being hacked, wirelessly, covertly beyond your control from a US government agency to an advanced hacker army!  Your life isn’t your own.

This is consumer subversion and a consumer trust issue of the highest level.  This might explain why a certain stock exchange went down for a day for no reason at all.

Sources: [link to www.theregister.co.uk]
[link to www.tomshardware.com]
[link to www.digitaltrends.com]
[link to investmentwatchblog.com]
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I built my newest one using the Haswell but I was under the impression that intel trusted execution technology required a second chip on the motherboard, which I purposely did not install.

I have some problems with this premise because to turn a secret chip within a chip into a 3g wifi broadcaster it would need an atenna and I do not think it would be possible to embed a chip within a chip for wifi.

I want to see 100% proof. If this is true should I not be able to detect it with a device that can detect wifi, like a smartphone or another computer.

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That's what you get when you let the israelis develop the processor.....
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I think processors made prior to 2003 would be safe but I could be wrong since a unique identifier or serial number was embedded in Pentium 3 processors that could be read by some applications for identification and tracing purposes.

source: [link to www.computerhope.com]
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My router can strip that info from being broadcast outside of my office.
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Man, Battlestar Gallatica rules make more and more sense to me every day! Maybe they're trying to scare people away from the internet.
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i got ivy bridge i7 quad core macbook pro retina 15 inch, runs faster than alien space craft. nsa can kiss my arse. indian govt has been spying on the world too since 2011, it accounced it openly, since then there has been least terrorist activities and only progress has been made in arresting fuckers.

so unless illuminati is involved, its all OK.
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If you are a engineer, are you saying the following is impossible? :

“The new Intel Core vPro processors contain a new remote access feature which allows 100 percent remote access to a PC 100 percent of the time, even if the computer is turned off. Core vPro processors contain a second physical processor embedded within the main processor which has it’s own operating system embedded on the chip itself. As long as the power supply is available and and in working condition, it can be woken up by the Core vPro processor, which runs on the system’s phantom power and is able to quietly turn individual hardware components on and access anything on them.”

I guess some Samsung galaxy phones operates on the concept of voodoo. That is how the FBI monitors your cell phone.
[link to now.msn.com]
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I am a CISCO networking specialist and used to work as an IT tech engineer for a multinational company and quite frankly I do not know where to begin to debunk this, but I will say what you are saying is completely out of the realm of reality !

At least when we are talking about hardware made for the general public, I cannot guarantee anything when it comes to NSA/CIA tech !

A CPU that has its own "phantom" processor within it ? Really ? As I said before even IF Intel somehow manged to implement such a thing and hide it from the OS completely, hardware engineers and testers all around the world would have discovered this the second they got their hands on the chip ! This would be on CNN Breaking News instantly !

The "phantom" chip has its own operating system installed on it ?
Again, REALLY ? And just where would that OS be installed in a few MB of L2 cache ?? Should I even mention that the processor cache is as volatile as the RAM so the second you would unplug the computer anything stored there would be gone...you would need some kind of separate ROM chip to store something like this, which would make it extremely noticeable on the main-board !

I am sorry but I could write a novel why this is simply not possible with current consumer available tech, I love a good conspiracy too, that's why I'm on this site but this one has no basis in reality ! None !
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After reading this article, I felt sick even though I don’t have “Sandy Bridge” chipset or better like “Ivy Bridge” or Haswell. This is so disturbing, it is insidious.  You may have entire multi-million dollar data centers and some with personal confidential data that can be exploited wirelessly over a 3G cellular data link.

Individuals, corporations and governments spend handsome amounts to secure their computers against intrusion and Intel or perhaps other CPU manufacturers purposely compromise the system with an embedded surveillance devices! Every device these computer chips inhabit are garbage because they can be subverted regardless of what software is on the computer.  It’s a Intel inside job!  Lawsuit time!  Get this out to everyone you can!
 
Do you have a newer computer vintage 2011 or greater acting weird or slow despite anti-virus and mechanic software designed to make your pc faster by clearing out registry bugs, stuff like that? 

It maybe your “sandy bridge” processor being hacked, wirelessly, covertly beyond your control from a US government agency to an advanced hacker army!  Your life isn’t your own.

This is consumer subversion and a consumer trust issue of the highest level.  This might explain why a certain stock exchange went down for a day for no reason at all.

Sources: [link to www.theregister.co.uk]
[link to www.tomshardware.com]
[link to www.digitaltrends.com]
[link to investmentwatchblog.com]
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too bad it never comes as a surprise anymore

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It will work out-of-band, meaning that it can use wired ethernet and wifi... not only 3G

Injection and execution of arbitrary code is possible. It runs on hardware level and no OS-based software will know its running.

You can detect its operation using packet sniffers that have a plugin for vPro and DASH.
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I have an intel i5 ivy bridge cpu and it's not a vpro processor, so does that mean mine doesn't have this capability.

And if it is possible it has it, how would I detect it?
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If you are a engineer, are you saying the following is impossible? :

“The new Intel Core vPro processors contain a new remote access feature which allows 100 percent remote access to a PC 100 percent of the time, even if the computer is turned off. Core vPro processors contain a second physical processor embedded within the main processor which has it’s own operating system embedded on the chip itself. As long as the power supply is available and and in working condition, it can be woken up by the Core vPro processor, which runs on the system’s phantom power and is able to quietly turn individual hardware components on and access anything on them.”

I guess some Samsung galaxy phones operates on the concept of voodoo. That is how the FBI monitors your cell phone.
[link to now.msn.com]
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I am a CISCO networking specialist and used to work as an IT tech engineer for a multinational company and quite frankly I do not know where to begin to debunk this, but I will say what you are saying is completely out of the realm of reality !

At least when we are talking about hardware made for the general public, I cannot guarantee anything when it comes to NSA/CIA tech !

A CPU that has its own "phantom" processor within it ? Really ? As I said before even IF Intel somehow manged to implement such a thing and hide it from the OS completely, hardware engineers and testers all around the world would have discovered this the second they got their hands on the chip ! This would be on CNN Breaking News instantly !

The "phantom" chip has its own operating system installed on it ?
Again, REALLY ? And just where would that OS be installed in a few MB of L2 cache ?? Should I even mention that the processor cache is as volatile as the RAM so the second you would unplug the computer anything stored there would be gone...you would need some kind of separate ROM chip to store something like this, which would make it extremely noticeable on the main-board !

I am sorry but I could write a novel why this is simply not possible with current consumer available tech, I love a good conspiracy too, that's why I'm on this site but this one has no basis in reality ! None !
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Thank you for your honesty.

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